Yeah, maybe, but if they lose, say 30% of their customers they are still generating more revenue, so would make sense on that basis. My guess is they've run the numbers and believe this will result in more revenue. Time will tell but I'd be inclined to agree with them.

Today’s $5 Zwift price increase (to $15/month), means that the company gets an additional $500K per month in revenue. While nobody likes a price increase, cool to see them delay increase for early users.

My view is the following:
1) While yes, it is a 50% increase, it's off of a small base ($10 to $15). Heck, I spend $5 at Starbucks without even thinking about it. If you are on Zwift, you potentially have 1) a bike that cost > $500, 2) a trainer that costs > $100, 3) powermeter that cost > $300, etc. You get my point. $5 is not a big deal. I like to keep things in perspective.

2) As with any price increase (small or large), I'm interested in seeing what additional value I get. Personally, if they invested in proper season plans (aka TrainerRoad), that would be additional value. If they significantly increased the roads (so for a century, no road is traveled more than once), that would be additional value. New worlds, additional value. You get the picture.

3) I'd rather have a price increase than an in-game monitization model. Just go over to Reddit and check out the butt hurt regarding EA's Star Wars Battlefront II loot boxes. I like that fact that there is a lack of no in-game ads (aka billboards).

4) Having written the above, I wonder how my views might change at $20 per month. That might cause me to think differently. Especially when I can use my Computrainer software for free.

They don't really have a direct competitor so they shouldn't have a problem pulling this off (I'm not sure TR would be considered a direct competitor).

I don't see how Zwift stays out of the Ad game forever.

There is one in the works:https://www.roadgrandtours.com/[/quote[/url]]

Only a matter of time! I'm certainly not surprised. It's going to take some good ideas and a lot of work to grab a large chunk of Zwift's market I would think. Zwift has a pretty massive head start.

Has any competitor made inroads to Strava yet? Getting there first is huge in these small markets. Time will tell I guess - there is certainly room for more Zwift-type experiences.

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Forget competitors to Zwift. Trainerroad's a solid product that delivers, yes, but come on man - that's gotta be one of the easiest apps to code, ever. A freaking graph that shows you your power numbers, and a few plans from a coach, with some social functionality built-in, and they've got like thousands of folks shelling out $10/month for it.

If I had a little more know-how in app and software development, I'd target Trainerroad before Zwift as a competitor - just make an alternate view that doesn't use the exact same graph interface, hire or partner with BETTER coaches (and give them a cut, kind of like the cycling studios do with their 'star' coaches), incorporate some "spin class" like features with video so you can compete with Peloton, and you're good to go. None of these require brand-new technology; I'll bet an experience app coder could write the entire thing in less than a week.

For all those current subscribers willing to pay $9.99/month but not $14.99/month:

With Zwift not raising your price for a year, will you continue on at $9.99/month, since you are already willing to pay that now and presumably over the next year Zwift will continue to offer more features, or do you intend to cancel now for whatever reason?

its not lost on me that since starting on zwift, the territory and function has grown tremendously.

- so many more different routes
- better graphics and sound
- more workout and some basic plans
- running function

All of these I use and can appreciate. I can see these functions and future enhancement adding value and justifying the costs. In particular training plans like TrainerRoad, structured and varied depending on ability and goals would be super valuable to me.

Moreover, the convenience and safety side of the equation is supremely important to me. Wife and two kids and fulll time job and elderly parents. Suiting up for a road ride takes 30 mins and another 20mins of intersections to get to my favorite roads. Bad weather, crazy drivers, and potholes stress me out. Not a fan of freezing my butt off for the first 45 mins either, during am rides. Since zwift and to a more limited extent TrainerRoad before that, I’d train and race out doors still. Now, I am 99% training and racing indoors. Safe, hard, and super convenient. I still road bike race, duathlon, and tri outside for races but training rides are now virtually all indoors. But in the evening when kids are in bed, I can sneak on down to garage and hammer out a 60 min session training or racing.

If that was it, then it’s already compelling, but I also enjoy being part of the community. Am On a training and race team for zwift where I hammer it out with my international mates from all over the world. We push each other and occasionally even trash talk. We schedule to meet up at races, show up and crush it out, executing team tactics. Loads if fun. And bye, the tss of 90-95 matches or blows away the TrainerRoad efforts: competition and camaraderie are pretty big motivators.

If it was just graphics and a couple of “ghost” riders, then yeah, pretty boring. But there are literally thousands of riders and races/rides to join in 24/7. That’s valuable and what makes zwift awesome.

My experience, yours may differ.

The real value in TR are the training plans. Lots of them for general or specific needs and stratified by the volume of work you can / want to do. Real, certified coaches creating the plans. Is the TR interface a WOW? No. But that's what Zwift is for - pretty visuals and gamification/racing. I find Zwift's workout plans to be unusable (unless *I* sequence each workout - so, to be clear, the erg mode workouts in Zwift function fine - the integration of the workouts into something that creates a useful training plan is what is missing).

No, $5/mo isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. But everyone wants recurring monthly revenue these days and it starts stacking up and getting annoying.

Lots of the common questions are answered in an FAQ we have regarding the price increase: https://support.zwift.com/...rticles/115005405146

I see every day what this increase is going to support. Zwift is today just so much more than it was 3yrs ago when we launched at $10/mo. (This is our first price increase ever.) And, based on most responses, I think most people generally understand the price increase; that doesn't mean they agree with it, but that's fine. I completely understand that people have budgets and they have to decide what something is - or is not - worth to them.

But I can promise that you are not going to be paying more for the same experience on Zwift. Will the changes and improvements be worth 50% more? That's for you to decide. But it's certainly our goal to deliver way more than a 50% better experience over the next year...

How can this be a problem? I spend more on gels for my long Saturday morning ride.

How can this be a problem?

If it is generally thought that I am in disagreement with the idea, that would be a mistake. I was merely posting it for discussion...with a slight bias. If I want to Zwift I will happily pay $15/mo. It's a big increase from $10, but it seems justifiable.

For me, this will mean back to trainer road. Was a toss up anyway and now that it'll be cheaper, it's a no brainer. Zwift has lost its cool factor on me pretty quickly.

To be honest, I've just been too lazy to switch already. I find the training programs in TR make it much more valuable than cool graphic in zwift.

Welcome to Slowtwitch where people get mad about a price increase so Zwift can scale but will have no problem buying new tires or an aero helmet because someone did a test and said it was faster without knowing if it’s actually faster for them or not.

Dude then don't sign up for so much stuff. You can use Pandora/Spotify/YouTube for music with ads for free, you don't need premium. You don't have to have cable tv. You don't have to get Starbucks. Etc, etc, etc. For the most part in life you want things you have to pay for them.

Well, technically it went from $0/mo to $10/mo, so this is the 2nd price increase "you all" have implemented.

They might have even let people stay on $10 a month if you kept paying and never suspended your account. Anyone know if that is true or not?

Was it free while in beta?

That is true. We grandfather in prices and you never get increased as long as you don't suspend.

i do believe i'm going to be leading a weekly zwift ride. as soon as i get things set up. and i'm also trying to see if i can figure out a way to conduct a live - a facebooky livey kind of thing - podcasty like conversation with somebody who i think is an interesting figure while aboard zwif

I was fortunate enough to sign up earlier this week. I was a beta tester but never really got Zwift. I decided to give it another shot and am really enjoying the racing, more more than I expected. I will probably pay through the winter and then drop it once I can get outside more often.

This is driving me nuts as well. $10 here, $12 there, another $8 on this, etc., etc., etc. When you add it up, you're spending a hundred bucks a month--easily!

I don't know if Call of Duty actually had a beta, but for a relevant and definite actual example, Activision/Blizzard had a public beta for Overwatch - i took part - which they then charged $60 for once they released the full version of the game - which I did not buy.

Overwatch and CoD are roughly equivalently popular. But Overwatch is probably a better example because Overwatch was a totally new game, whereas CoD is an old game but which has new "editions" (e.g. WWII)

Was it free while in beta?

Yea, I don't see COD as being the type of game to need a widely available beta. I was mainly making a point to the government man that Zwift was, at one time, free.

For me, this will mean back to trainer road. Was a toss up anyway and now that it'll be cheaper, it's a no brainer. Zwift has lost its cool factor on me pretty quickly.

To be honest, I've just been too lazy to switch already. I find the training programs in TR make it much more valuable than cool graphic in zwift.

Yea, I don't see COD as being the type of game to need a widely available beta. I was mainly making a point to the government man that Zwift was, at one time, free.

sort of like anthony bourdain, but we're riding and talking with people listening in instead of eating and talking with people listening in.

Lots of the common questions are answered in an FAQ we have regarding the price increase: https://support.zwift.com/...rticles/115005405146

I see every day what this increase is going to support. Zwift is today just so much more than it was 3yrs ago when we launched at $10/mo. (This is our first price increase ever.) And, based on most responses, I think most people generally understand the price increase; that doesn't mean they agree with it, but that's fine. I completely understand that people have budgets and they have to decide what something is - or is not - worth to them.

But I can promise that you are not going to be paying more for the same experience on Zwift. Will the changes and improvements be worth 50% more? That's for you to decide. But it's certainly our goal to deliver way more than a 50% better experience over the next year...

I don't know. I tend to agree with GMan. Zwift was never really free. It was in beta. Beta is always free. At least, I've never heard of a public beta for software that wasn't free. So I don't really agree that the change from a free public beta to a $10/mo commercial product constitutes a price raise. But I suppose that's largely semantics... Anyway...

I must say, I don't know much about the platforms you mentioned. However, Zwift isn't just a piece of software. They use a subscription model because it's actually more of a service than a good, if that makes sense. They provide the platform and host the servers required to keep it going. More like a gym membership. They also have to use a subscription because I don't think people would actually buy the product if they made it cost as much as they would have to.

Maybe $70 at the most. I don't feel that Zwift is worth more than double a huge XB1 or PS4 game every year. Nor TrainerRoad. Bully for them that others disagree, but I'm not playing along.

Good news for those of us committed to Trainer Road.

Scott

The year of forgiveness is nice, but a 50% increase seems ambitious.

Remind CaptainCanada to turn off his webcam after his workouts.

Can we get a decent user manual for the extra $5?

I generally ride once or twice a month (vs. 5 or 6 times a week on my standard CT courses) on it and even at that, $15 or $7.5 per ride doesn't bother me.

As for the enhancements - races, group rides etc. I don't do them outside, so why do it in an "virtual" world.

What other enhancements are a benefit - it already tells me my speed, watts, time, distance...

That is true. We grandfather in prices and you never get increased as long as you don't suspend.

You don't have to get Starbucks.

My guess is that this will increase their seasonal churn. I didn't use Zwift from June to October of this year, so probably 5 months or so of inactivity, but I didn't suspend my account. The $9.99/month was NBD and in some sense I just wanted to continue to support the platform. I would imagine others might feel the same at $9.99/month.

I'm not sure that I would seasonally suspend my account at $14.99/month, but I'll consider it more than I would at $9.99/month.

Blasphemy.

Funny people complaining about price hike in this sport genre that drop 3k + on bike, 1k+ on race entries, and the multitudes of tech. Pay to play people....

Blasphemy.

PeriPedal and PerfPro are software more like TrainerRoad in that all they do is workouts, not video game group rides.

I would have more sympathy for the "servers" point if it weren't for two things:

1) Server time is fairly cheap, and the bulk of processing for this is done client-side. Blizzard managed to keep Battle.Net going without monthly subscriptions, and still doesn't charge for the multiplayer aspects of Diablo and StarCraft (or didn't last time I checked). And it was all 100% stone-cold free with the purchase of those games before WoW came along.
2) The software-as-subscription model is the direction just about everyone wants to go, "service" or not. TrainerRoad does, as does Adobe, and more that I can't think of at this hour before the coffee kicks in. Mainline, A-level franchise games typically go for $60 these days, yes? Maybe $70 at the most. I don't feel that Zwift is worth more than double a huge XB1 or PS4 game every year. Nor TrainerRoad. Bully for them that others disagree, but I'm not playing along. Or Take Adobe Lightroom - it costs almost as much per year of subscription as to buy the thing outright, only if you buy it you can use it for two (or more!) years between upgrades if you don't need the new features or support for newer cameras. And they don't even release new versions every year...

Let's additionally point out that while Zwift is based in California, they save money by having their backend server work done by a team in Rio.

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Yay for out sourcing. Side question, would you be more willing to pay new fee if all work labor was guaranteed to be USA sourced?

F zwift I ride outside, I'm from Canada... HTFU

Let's additionally point out that while Zwift is based in California, they save money by having their backend server work done by a team in Rio.

Doesn't every startup? If they didn't manage their own team, they'd use a contract firm. Even if they have a good path to success, I'd be shocked if they weren't still running at a significant loss.

As a transfer pricing/tax valuation professional, I hope they have a good service provider... having an international structure at a young age means a lot of wires to trip for the unwary.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's hosted on AWS but I didn't look into it.

Good news for those of us committed to Trainer Road.

Scott

https://www.roadgrandtours.com/

Because increasing demand for apples supports the supply chain for apples.

Welcome to Slowtwitch where people get mad about a price increase so Zwift can scale but will have no problem buying new tires or an aero helmet because someone did a test and said it was faster without knowing if it’s actually faster for them or not.

They will definitely lose some subscribers with this increase. In my opinion they will lose a lot less if they offer an option to sign up for the entire year for a lump sum of something like $150 (just throwing a number out there...)

I think everyone should consult ST before they do anything.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's hosted on AWS but I didn't look into it.

I've been looking into Zwift quite a bit for several weeks - and here is my concern.....

$10 - $15 - like so many have said based on all the other coin i drop on triathlon this is no big deal

What DOES seem to me to be the big deal is the platform reliability - and the significant amount of user problems with the software. Look at the zwift FB group - the volume of tech problems is staggering to me.

I will also say I have some serious reservation about a company that goes through several days of massive server problems and outages, who before these things are even resolved announces a price increase?!?!?! That seems like terrible business sences and gives me great pause to become a customer

Maybe I missed another thread on this topic but we are on the cusp of the price increase and I am wondering who is canceling or has canceled their membership. I just canceled mine. As did my wife because we are just going to use TR for a while. Maybe I will come back to it someday soon or hopefully a competitor catches up but for now I am trying to trim my monthly expenses down. Not because I can’t afford it but kind of getting fed up with the growing recurring monthly fees across the board. It is downright scary when I added up all the monthly subscription fees I am/was paying for. To each their own.

I've been on it for 2 years using a computrainer and have never had a problem with the software.

https://zwift.com/news/9309-mapchoice

I just bit the bullet and signed up a couple weeks ago. It makes an hour go by fast on the trainer.

I did get suckered in to a race the other day. I was supposed to be doing an easy recovery ride but did a race instead. It’s tempting to get off your schedule to do a group ride or race.

$15 a month seems fair to me.

I did get suckered in to a race the other day. I was supposed to be doing an easy recovery ride but did a race instead. It’s tempting to get off your schedule to do a group ride or race.

$15 a month seems fair to me.

I will also say I have some serious reservation about a company that goes through several days of massive server problems and outages, who before these things are even resolved announces a price increase?!?!?! That seems like terrible business sences and gives me great pause to become a customer

Lol not that I want to actually send people down that rabbit hole but

TrainerRoad is also $15 a month

Says $99/year in my TR account. But I pay for zwift too so I'm not complaining.

With that being said, I can see no reason to use TR. The TR is way better for workouts and training library argument is barely a thing anymore and Zwift’s wko creator is far easier to use than TR’s.... exponentially so if you know how to create the .zwo text file.

The other and oft given reason that I don’t have a PC/laptop powerful enough to use Zwift is more or less nullified by the mobile version or Apple TV version. Is it as pretty as the graphics on a high end gaming rig? No, but that’s not a concern for the peeps that just want a wko and occasional race.

Basically, Zwift does everything TR does and TR does nothing Zwift can do beyond workouts. I’m no TR hater or anything but it’s like SD TV vs 4K HDTV here.

With that being said, I can see no reason to use TR. The TR is way better for workouts and training library argument is barely a thing anymore and Zwift’s wko creator is far easier to use than TR’s.... exponentially so if you know how to create the .zwo text file.

The other and oft given reason that I don’t have a PC/laptop powerful enough to use Zwift is more or less nullified by the mobile version or Apple TV version. Is it as pretty as the graphics on a high end gaming rig? No, but that’s not a concern for the peeps that just want a wko and occasional race.

Basically, Zwift does everything TR does and TR does nothing Zwift can do beyond workouts. I’m no TR hater or anything but it’s like SD TV vs 4K HDTV here.

its not lost on me that since starting on zwift, the territory and function has grown tremendously.

- so many more different routes
- better graphics and sound
- more workout and some basic plans
- running function

All of these I use and can appreciate. I can see these functions and future enhancement adding value and justifying the costs. In particular training plans like TrainerRoad, structured and varied depending on ability and goals would be super valuable to me.

Moreover, the convenience and safety side of the equation is supremely important to me. Wife and two kids and fulll time job and elderly parents. Suiting up for a road ride takes 30 mins and another 20mins of intersections to get to my favorite roads. Bad weather, crazy drivers, and potholes stress me out. Not a fan of freezing my butt off for the first 45 mins either, during am rides. Since zwift and to a more limited extent TrainerRoad before that, I’d train and race out doors still. Now, I am 99% training and racing indoors. Safe, hard, and super convenient. I still road bike race, duathlon, and tri outside for races but training rides are now virtually all indoors. But in the evening when kids are in bed, I can sneak on down to garage and hammer out a 60 min session training or racing.

If that was it, then it’s already compelling, but I also enjoy being part of the community. Am On a training and race team for zwift where I hammer it out with my international mates from all over the world. We push each other and occasionally even trash talk. We schedule to meet up at races, show up and crush it out, executing team tactics. Loads if fun. And bye, the tss of 90-95 matches or blows away the TrainerRoad efforts: competition and camaraderie are pretty big motivators.

If it was just graphics and a couple of “ghost” riders, then yeah, pretty boring. But there are literally thousands of riders and races/rides to join in 24/7. That’s valuable and what makes zwift awesome.

My experience, yours may differ.

With that being said, I can see no reason to use TR.

On the other hand, I see no reason at all to use Zwift. I've got absolutely no interest "racing" or riding around some "virtual" world - zip, zilch, nada. I've tried Zwift and it was not for me. Instead, I prefer to fire up my TR workout, start some music or something on Netflix and ride.

Different strokes for different folks. Doesn't make anyone "right" or "wrong." Whatever works best for them.

the monthly charge has grown from what to what?

+1, I tried zwift as well, but i stick with trainerroad. I like the workouts or create my own and look at a netflix at the same time or listen/watch music on youtube.

$10 USD to $15 USD per month. This update coming soon-ish ™️ better be a good one!

Yeah, but existing users got to keep the old price, $10 a month, for another year. That year expires soon

Yeah, I just cancelled Zwift. Not because of the cost, just because I found myself putting things over the top of it, like music, Netflix, GCN shows. For a while I was engrossed in the racing. But to the point it was a detriment to my actual training. So I quit that.

While group rides are OK, I could never get into "workout mode" events on Zwift. It's too weird that how hard you pedal has only vague effect with what happens on the screen. I don't get it.

I don't mind the social part, but I didn't find much in the way of meaningful interaction. I like the joking around as much as anyone, but that seems to be about the extent of it.

Training software = Free
Zwift = Entertainment + Virtual power
TR = Virtual power

It makes no sense to subscribe simply for a training plan which you can follow using any free training SW

I thought the whole point of Zwift was virtual racing/riding? So instead of looking at a graph that TR puts out that you have 3 more mins in Z 4, Zwift is a virtual "race" or workout, etc that you are riding in Watopia, etc.

IE- the "entertaining" part of it is the selling part...the idea that instead of looking at a wall in your basement, you know see Bob from Iowa or Jung Lee from Korea on your "ride", etc. Now maybe that's not a selling point, and you can just push through any "workout", but I thought the whole point of Zwift's popularity was in fact the entertainment of it while you suffer?

With TR I add a plan to my calendar and have to do zero thinking for the next six weeks. No creating workouts, etc. I just wake up and hop on. And the training plans have progressions, so finish one block and again don't have to thing about which block to go to next.

Worth every penny for me.

I thought the whole point of Zwift was virtual racing/riding? So instead of looking at a graph that TR puts out that you have 3 more mins in Z 4, Zwift is a virtual "race" or workout, etc that you are riding in Watopia, etc.

IE- the "entertaining" part of it is the selling part...the idea that instead of looking at a wall in your basement, you know see Bob from Iowa or Jung Lee from Korea on your "ride", etc. Now maybe that's not a selling point, and you can just push through any "workout", but I thought the whole point of Zwift's popularity was in fact the entertainment of it while you suffer?

the point is community. the same point as a group actual ride. if group riding outdoors doesn't do it for you, group riding indoors probably won't either. i'm a social person. when i logged on, on tuesday, there were 150 slowtwitchers there on that group training ride with me. which made me feel pretty good, because when zwifting i often see these laaarrrge groups go past, all in the same jersey, and wonder who those groups are. on tuesday we were that group.

but, to the point, were it not for that ride, i'd not have ridden that day. that simple.

My athletes love Zwift (BryanD being one of them). I'll give them the freedom to race if they want on Tuesdays or do a workout while riding. We are now trying to figure out how to all ride together as a group on some days when the weather is just a bit too nasty out.

Here in Raleigh, we can ride *most* of the time outside for the most part. But sometimes 35* and cloudy just isn't fun so they'll stay in and Zwift.

My next thing and I'm new to the whole "how zwift groups work" is figuring out a way for us to meet in X ride and all stay together, or do we just all show up on whatever route it has and off we go.

Still trying to figure it out it all out.

Now if only the group ride could ban TT/Tri bikes so folks can ride together a bit more cohesively 😂

From my understanding, you’re correct. On the draft. For folks that want/need to switch bikes, It is an in game thing only from the menu. I think you can also hit “T” if you are using a computer.

You can change the bike at will but you have to either be standing still or in the start pin. If you do it mid-event, you can do it but will have about a 15 second deficit to make up. Don’t ask me how I know...

There are some events that disable Tri bikes or explicitly say no TT/Tri bikes in the event info. I’m not sure what options that the event promoters actually get. Zwift seems to have this info under lock and key but it might be worth asking Allen or whomever that you’re working with about it.

Sweet. Been thinking of giving Zwift running a go.

Engrossed in the racing as in racing when you should have been going "easier" on certain days and not digging a deeper hole for yourself,

Yes. I meant this as purely a personal rationale, and not a criticism of Zwift.

I have a problem with racing in the same way that some people have a problem with opioids or cutting. So Zwift is like dropping a dump-truck full of Oxy on the front lawn of an opioid abuser. You can race noon, day, and night. On days I was supposed to do just an easy hour or two, I'd start up, and notice, hey there's a race starting in a few minutes - I'll just roll out easy and use it as a workout. Then, like an addict waking up in a pool of his own vomit, an hour later I'd find my self sprawled out beside my trainer in a lake of my own sweat, having battled it out for the entire race trading 10 W/kg attacks with other roadies.

Rapp,

If I wanted to ride with my own group and have us stay together regardless of power output, how do I do that? Or do we all just join the map together and ride?

This isn't something that you can do yet in Zwift. I'd say it's one of the most requested features since we launched the "rubberbanding" algorithm that we, for now, use exclusively in group workouts.

The whole idea of how people ride together is one of our primary foci for the next work period. So if you imagine Zwift, as a whole, as being a reimagining of the larger idea of how people ride together, what we're looking at now is how people ride together within Zwift.

I'm definitely not trying to be intentionally vague with this reply. I think my answer might make more sense in the context of Jon's post about another frequently-requested feature that goes into depth about really how we, as a company, see Zwift: https://zwift.com/news/9309-mapchoice

btw, anybody wants a free footpod, who's a current or new zwifter, zwift is giving slowzwifters 1000 free footpods. freight free. worldwide. look for that offer. getting the logistics firmed up.

Am I still able to get a foot pod? been wanting to try zwift running for awhile, but my garmin foot pod (which is new) doesn't seem to be compatible.

That looks awesome - like Microsofts Flight Simulator - but for bikes.

Training software = Free
Zwift = Entertainment + Virtual power
TR = Virtual power

It makes no sense to subscribe simply for a training plan which you can follow using any free training SW.

Edit:

i.e. If you have a smart trainer (don't need virtual power) then use Netflix (or whatever you are already paying for) for entertainment and free training software.

If you need a plan then just get a free trial or pay for one month and then use free software to perform workouts.

What am i missing?

it's coming. there's some glitches to get worked out in the fulfillment of this. a matter of a few days. beginning of the week, hopefully.

Have you checked out Bkool? I am asking this because I am trying to look for smart trainer options and keep coming back to theirs in my search. It looks like they also have a software side apart from their trainers that basically does what Zwift does except they state you can ride with your friends by creating a group (say AOsquad) and having all your friends join (in this case your athletes). The interesting thing it seems that software can do is allow you to input your own course (assuming this is from gpx or mapping it out). I am saying this based off what I read on their website so somebody correct me if I am wrong.
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and please make it always sunny. that would really help

some of us are indoors b/c we can't ride when it's sunny out, to get into the game and see thunderstorms is a bit de-motivating

I didn't think there were so many broke ass people on here who would sweat $5 a month.

I'd like to see Dan charge $1/month for ST, I'd bet you would all pay just so you could post on here and complain about it.

I actually like the rain. Somehow when I am in the middle of a long, awful block of a session, that rain actually makes me feel cooler and more comfortable.

I'd like to see Dan charge $1/month for ST, I'd bet you would all pay just so you could post on here and complain about it.

The weather thing is trickier than you might think. I live somewhere where it never rains, and I actually love the rain in Zwift. We used to actually have more variance - every user got "random" weather, so it would have been easy to give you an option to make it "always sunny." But then we got a lot - and I do mean a lot - of inbound messages from couples who rode together who hated that their time of day and clocks were not in sync.

This is a great example of something that seems innocuous and straightforward, but which actually generates a surprising amount of feedback without a clear consensus...

And we've avoided having a massively complex "SETTINGS" menu because the more complex they get, the less people use and understand them...

Hi Jordan, question regarding how some teams schedule group rides? I presume someone has admin rights and has access to a screen to set it up? I presume thats how our team leader does it, but never asked.

Btw, you’re welcome to join one of the Innovation team rides at 940pm pst. We’d love to have you with us as we do a lot of high intensity intervals. It’s the perfect time to hop on when the kids are in bed, haha.