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That reminds me. I used to own a pristine brown Probe. A Ford Probe. 1989. Great vehicle. Lots of torque and thrust.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Damn, how high does this go?

I wonder if he realizes how silly his claims of innocence sound while he publicly announces he is going to rehab to 'solve his problem'. And, multiple women are coming forward claiming that, they too, were taken advantage of. What a shithead.

Greg

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How is this a federal case?

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

In fairness, how else was this guy gonna score?




Like Rose McGowan and a bunch of the other women involved in this are saying: EVERYONE in Hollywood knew, and almost all of them either tacitly accepted it or willingly participated in it. Fame, power, money? Those are pretty enticing perks for some young ingenue looking to make her Tinseltown dreams come true.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Pay for play, maybe. RICO, possibly. Crossing state lines to effect a crime or engage in a criminal conspiracy. It all depends on what sorts of crimes -- maybe money laundering in paying off a few of his targets? -- DOJ believes he may have violated.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

In other words, it's not really a federal case, but the government can probably gin up some federal charges. Interstate commerce or something.

Rule by law.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Kate Beckinsale the latest to come forward, saying she had an incident with him when she was only 17.

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"You can never win or lose if you don't run the race." - Richard Butler

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Duffy raised his hand next...

"In fairness, how else was this guy gonna score? "

That's exactly what I said in the other thread. Guy wouldn't have stood a chance of getting laid on his own merits.

Greg

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In fairness he did have a wife and one of his merits is he is dripping with money. For most that would have been enough. BYW his wife is very beautiful.

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Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Reminds me of the interviewer asking

"So what first attracted you to the (multi) millionaire............"

In the same manner that PED abuse in sports is.


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It is good to see that a right wing guy like you are really worried about women's rights, harassment and aggressive behavior of men.
Many conservatives should follow your example.

But sadly you will find that women's issues often follow political lines.
It is OK that FoxNews guys are sexist, but not liberal, and the other way around.

I am sure you are not hypocritical like that and that you started a lot of discussions regarding RogerA, BillO and other sexist behavior of any person no matter political view.

I don't if he'd raise his hand, or some other appendage. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

I'm a libertarian, sir. And juicy gossip is juicy gossip, n'cest ce pas? ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

It could be a civil rights case.

I may have missed it but it appears that he only sexually harassed white women.

What about equal opportunity?

So sexual assault is "juicy gossip" for you.
That is just sad.

I'm sure you've started a lot of threads about Ed Murray.

It is for me when you start your preaching and pronouncements, which is why you're held in such high esteem around here, apparently. Now shoo, fly!

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Waste of time and money, nothing will happen to him, he will get "treatment" do a few talk shows and walk free a hero, disgusting .

Most likely. And I don't see Hollywood reforming itself anytime soon, for a fact.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Watch how mean you are to halvard.... it has been known to get people banned.

He's the new Cosby.

Ah, the ban-hammer. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

You lefties f'ckin amaze me. Do you think you have a monopoly on morality or something? This is the same old arrogant claim to the moral high ground that every damn lib I know jumps up on as soon as possible. As a conservative, I absolutely believe in women's rights, sexual harassment infuriates me, and 'aggressive behavior of men' isn't acceptable either. I also believe in equal rights under the law for ALL citizens whether they are black, brown, or white. Just about every other conservative I know feels the same way. Bill O'Rielly was a scumbag for what he did, but so was Bill Clinton...and Harvey Weinstein...and Bill Cosby. From the looks of things right now, we have an entire multi-billion dollar industry built on sexual harassment and trampling women's rights run by liberals that kick any conservatives out at the first inkling of contrary viewpoints. Do you think Harvey Weinstein is the ONLY guy in Hollywood using his power to take advantage of women? My bet is that it is an institutionalized way of doing business on casting couches all over Hollywood.

I also think we should have control over our borders. Does that make me xenophobic?

I believe in the rule of law and enforcement of those rules. Does that make me racist because all of you people have convinced yourselves black and brown people are unfairly treated by law enforcement?

Get help with your TDS, my friend.

Greg

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#1. Politicians are the least self-aware people on the planet. Because this is so, it also makes them totally predictable and, thus, BORING. And I'd rather not waste time on them. Because they're BORING.

#2. Hollywood -- meaning the "artist"-class denizens that populate the place, like to hold themselves out as an elite, nearly god-like, class that's morally superior to all us yokels. I include Harvey Weinstein in this class. Before he morally ejaculated into the potted plants, that is. ;-)

Tinseltown has for many years presumed to criticize and chastise most of us out in the hinterlands (i.e. everyone east of I-5 and west of I-95) for our various and sundry faults, which are innumerable in their eyes. And the folks in that town really and truly believe it's their duty -- they, of course being the elite among us -- to instruct us and guide us. Because, after all, we really need a movie star to provide our moral education and help us learn the difference between right and wrong, amirite or amirite?

What a crock they all -- and I mean ALL -- are.

Meryl "I Had No Idea Harvey Weinstein Was A Creep" Streep? It's obvious she knew. And when it came time to choose between her carefully developed persona of Courageous Woman Who Speaks Truth To Power and her career, she came down squarely on the side of her career. They ALL knew and they ALL chose their career rather than to stand up to the kind of behavior that Weinstein -- just one among a legion of such creeps plying their trade in Hollywood -- believed was part of his birthright as a member of the Do As We Say, Not As We Do elite.

A flood of admissions from stars high and low within the firmament, that they were either aware ol' Harvey was running around Hollywood like a priapic jackanapes, or that they'd personally experienced the nearly fetishistic attentions of Weinstein, et al., attest to this. Jane Fonda says she knew and yet said nothing. Probably because, as she also knows, most of that town was eagerly participating in the exact same behavior, if the latest revelations gushing forth from the place are any indicator.

Like I've said; money, power, fame. They've got a very strong appeal, and most people will do anything to get them.

‘ER’ actress calls out Clooney, producer in misconduct claim | Page Six

Amazon TV Producer Goes Public With Harassment Claim Against Top Exec Roy Price (Exclusive) | Hollywood Reporter

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I thought it was fishy when George (friend of Matt Damon who helped quash earlier story about HW) piled on.

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Good morning.

I watched the 20/20 show on HW last night. I had read some articles, but there is so much the show nicely summarized everything and there was more than I knew. I heard the tapes from the 2015 NYPD sting investigation (which I think someone alluded to on the other thread). Also the Seth MacFarlane joke at Oscars in 2014 (or so, he said of the 5 best actresses nominated for an award, "and these five are relieved they'll never have to pretend to find HW attractive again").


20/20 also played Meryl "Thank god -- Harvey Weinstein" Streep's acceptance speech. She will now forever be remembered for that moment. Sally Field can now take comfort as she no longer owns the most embarrassing acceptance speech moment.

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This is a notion that's beginning to pick up steam as more and more information about Hollywood's not-so-healthy-looking culture comes to light: "Because movies are shot through with human exploitation from beginning to end, maybe we should withhold our patronage?"

Motion pictures: They're the "conflict diamonds" of the entertainment world." ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. Albert Einstein

As it turns out, 'institutionalized' was exactly the correct phrase to use in reference to these sexual predators. Now, we find out that HW had 'accommodations' actually written into his employment contract pertaining to when he got caught taking advantage of young starlets. So, all of the parties to the contract knew about his history of preying on these women, yet, nobody does anything. Instead, they write in monetary penalties for him to pay if he gets caught. Who gave a shit about the women? Anybody??? Were they just thinking, '...what's the harm, they are just sleeping with the guy a time or two. It's not like they don't know the way things work in this town.'

Greg

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HW was hiding in plain sight.

Lastest "find" is Courtney Love warning about him in 2005.

TMZ (cough, yes I went there following the yahoo link), aptly describes the Love video as, "More proof of the biggest lie in Hollywood ... that no one knew about the shenanigans of Harvey Weinstein."

This is the most amazing story. For years the Emperor has been walking about in no clothes, or maybe a bathroom, in Hollywood.

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The former actress (current director) Sarah Polley (I remember her from that movie "Go") wrote about Weinstein and about the Hollywood culture in yesterday's NYT. She says the problem is pervasive throughout Tinseltown and in the film industry at large.

Sarah Polley: The Men You Meet Making Movies - The New York Times

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https://mashable-com.cdn.ampproject.org/...nstein-hollywood.amp

I think this is thr most honest analysis i have seen and only reinforces what many suspected

Yeah, I read Rosenberg's thing yesterday. At least he's being honest about why he, and most likely many others, never come forward when they witness stuff like what Weinstein did. Why bite the hand that's put putting food on your table? It's easy enough to rationalize away why you don't, too.

More shoes are dropping over l'affaire Weinstein. Almost a flood of women and men coming forward to tell their own stories about the Hollywood that most of us don't see and likely wouldn't have, had not the studio bigwig been so outrageously excessive about what some writers are calling his "appetites." Reese Witherspoon says she first was sexually assaulted by a director at age 16. Jennifer Lawrence tells of her mistreatment at the hands of a female producer, who sought to "motivate" (i.e. shame) her over her weight.

Harvey's brother, Bob Weinstein, is now being swept up into the maelstrom as well, accused of harassment (he vigorously denies it). I think it's correct to say that this is just the tip of a very big iceberg when it comes to Tinseltown and the culture that makes all of this behavior possible and even expected and accepted.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Things are starting to heat up. Seen on FB the other day:

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Courtney Love from 2005...

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

She says her agency (CAA) blacklisted her after that. It kind of does coincide with a seeming exit by Love from the public eye, though she also didn't have Kurt Cobain or Billy Corgan (the Svengali ;-) to write songs and music for her, either. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Good pair of articles in the NY Post:

Why Hollywood is the Perfect Hunting Ground for Pervs

Why Hollywood is the perfect hunting ground for pervs | New York Post


Hollywood's Horror Stories of Sex Predators Long Before Weinstein

Hollywood’s horror stories of sex predators long before Weinstein | New York Post

In the one above, one producer (the well-known Arthur Freed) exposed himself to an 11-year-old Shirley Temple. Give the kid credit for gumption. Upon seeing the fool's wrinkled up worm, the little girl burst out laughing at it. ;-)

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http://www.foxnews.com/...t-proud-america.html

this traitor. (not a word i use loosely. reserved for the special ones. i had originally used another word, but chose not to lower myself to hollywood's level.)
it's her industry who has propagated this mess! and she's upset with the U.S.! her and her peers have kept their mouths shut for years so the monsters can exist, live and thrive. now someone finally speaks up then everyone else jumps up. leaders are the brave ones, it's easy to follow.

we don't need to go into her past actions.

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Oh, at minimum she's a coward when it comes to this entire sordid mess.

She f*cking knew, as that Hollywood screenwriter Rosenberg wrote yesterday. They all f*cking knew about it. And they did nothing. Because they were making big money off those men (and some women, if Jennifer Lawrence's story about that female producer is any indication), and living lives of fame. She certainly had it all, gained on the back of what's turning out to be a monstrous fiction in keeping with Hollywood's own fiction-making expertise.

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Points to Rosenberg for honesty, I suppose, but the important takeaway in that confession, imo, isn't his sense of guilt over not having done anything. It's his questioning about what he should have or could have done, who he should have reported the behavior to and what he should have said, especially when the victims themselves remained silent.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

NO points for anybody who now just fakes outrage but has been part of it, supported it, benefited from it, known of it and accepted it.

Hollywood is fake, corrupt and a lawless jungle.

What else is new?

So we have had, in no particular order; saville, the jersey house of horrors, rotherham more recently and now youth soccer has apparently had it for decades (unsurprisingly)

US has had swimming and gymnastics. Not sure of others

We all had the church

The problem is. Who should they, or could they have gone to

The most recent example in the UK is one member of parliment was a habitual paedo. He led a party, he was the ultimate insider. What does a kid in a childrens home who is being provided to the establishment person to do?

The most destructive idea that humans have ever come up with? Easy: the idea that people are inherently good would definitely make it into the final round. People, all of us, are not "good." We are either:

1) Fallen from grace and are hardcore sinners (for all the theists out there).

Or

2) We are nothing more than very smart and self-aware animals.

For a fact we can be good, and we often are, but goodness isn't the default condition. Without some sort of external intervention -- whether that's religion, societal pressure, government coercion, etc. -- we quickly revert to the mean. Which is the sort of behaviors we're seeing in Hollywood, Rotherham (in the UK), Jimmy Savile, child sex trafficking across the US and the world, and on and on and on.

I think that John Hobbes, writing in 1651, hit the nail on the head. In our natural state, with no social or religious order to impose limits upon our hungers and our passions, "notions of right and wrong, justice and injustice have there no place. Where there is no common power, force and fraud are... the cardinal virtues."

A man like Harvey Weinstein -- operating in an industry (entertainment) and in a town, Hollywood, where there are no rules for people of power like himself -- certainly felt free to indulge his particular "appetites." He was unbound and in his natural state, with no limitations placed on his behavior. Likewise those evil men in Rotherham, likewise Jimmy Savile, and so on.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

They're mostly still being fake, despite all these people now coming forward. Nothing's really going to change until they all name the people that did those things to them and we can bring them before the bar of justice, or at least can publicly shame them all, given the statute of limitations in California on many of these allegations.

But I get the feeling most of them don't want that to happen, either, as it would jeopardize the gravy train and the culture to which they've all grown accustomed.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

I'm old enough to remember when conservative evangelical Christians were called out for their immense level of self righteousness. The left doesn't seem to have noticed, but they are now often the most self righteous ones around. The virtue signaling and public posturing is fun to watch. They are the new evangelicals only its their own SJW brand of religious leftism.

I think it's a mistake to conflate sexual harassment of adult women with child sex abuse for a number of reasons, one of which is that we shouldn't infantilize women.

There's a difference between a child who was sexually abused by a priest in 1966 or a kid who lives in an orphanage and a grown women who is sexually harassed in the workplace.

(Though to answer your question, ideally kids would tell their parents, and the parents would tell everyone. The difficult part there, of course, is getting the kids to tell the parents. But in many of the cases you mention, the parents knew about the abuse of their children and didn't do anything about it- out of loyalty, or a desire not to "cause trouble," or maybe because they wanted the benefit of the coaching relationship, or whatever. Frankly, those parents failed their children miserably.)

In reference to those who knew about Weinstein and didn't do anything about it, though- what would you have them do? Who would you have them tell? Especially when many of his victims themselves didn't do anything or tell anyone. In Weinstein's case, there seem to be two basic reasons many of his victim's didn't say anything. Fear of not being believed doesn't seem to be a factor. Instead, many of the women he assaulted made a judgement call that nobody in Hollywood or the media would risk angering Weinstein. Also, many of his victims made a conscious decision to acquiesce to his assaults in order to benefit their acting career and gain the associates benefits.

The thing is, both of those motivations exist just as much for every individual who knew of Weinstein's behavior, too. If an actress who was actually sexually assaulted by Weinstein doesn't have a realistic avenue to tell someone who will help, and/or doesn't want to speak up because she still wants to be rich and famous, what possible reason is there to expect an uninvolved third party to endanger his or her standing to help?

As far as I know, only one woman ever reported Weinstein to the police, even though it sounds like his actions amounted to sexual assault at a minimum on plenty of occasions.

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Actually i was not thinking of the infantilising aspect rather that in each instance it was an abuse of power but i take your point.

agreed. but the masses don't want fix anything because then they cant be pissed about it or at someone for it.
how in the hell can these people that have reached stardom and made millions upon millions still not name names? as was addressed a few posts ago, if you're an adult and propositioned that's bad enough. if you were approached as a child and now, as an adult, after achieving fame and fortune, still do nothing...youre just as guilty. and horrible.

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"Most of all, there are the dynamics around power, money, and glory. They enable the abuse even as they prompt the coverup, since the institution and its prestige must be protected. Those around the perpetrators become accomplices, actively or passively. The system becomes self-sustaining. The more abuse, the more coverup. The more coverup, the more abuse. Everyone looks the other way because everyone looks the other way. No one will speak up because no one will speak up. Bit by bit, isolated incidents that might happen in any context metastasize into a monstrous system that feeds on itself. The guilt of a few becomes the guilt of all, as the system is sustained by its own rottenness."

Is Hollywood sitting on a pedophilia scandal?

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