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Closest to Physical Violence in Years
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I always have and always will love dogs, but am sick to death of irresponsible dog owners. Last week, took my 9 year old hiking on a popular trail in the NH White Mountains. The rule is that dogs must be on a leash 100% of the time. This is probably followed 50% in practice. That said, most people will hold or leash their dog when they come across others. We were hiking and a 60-75lb. dog was 100 yards plus in front of its owner and approached and started growling at my son. I called harshly to the owners to come and get the animal and was prepared to kick and hit the dog with my walking poles until they caught up with their animal. I realize it wasn't the dogs but the owner's fault. I really wanted to hit/ kick the owner.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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Good for you to remain cool. Do you think the dog owners understood the situation or do you think they'll remain oblivious?
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Oblivious, everyone thinks "their" dog won't hurt anyone until it does. This dog was barring teeth and growling. Again, I'm a former dog owner who will own a dog after recovering from putting a 14 year old lab down this summer.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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I had this exact scenario play out, and it was also in the White Mountains. The dog was about the same size, probably a bit smaller, but it was acting very aggressive towards me and my daughter. The owners were nowhere in sight. I tried to get the dog to back down but it wasn't giving an inch. I had positioned myself between the dog and my daughter and I truly thought it was going to attack. I had my knife out and I was ready to use it if he did. The owners finally heard me yelling at it and came up the trail and leashed it, but it was still pulling at the leash and baring it's teeth. I reminded the owners of their responsibility and let them know that I wouldn't hesitate to have killed their dog if it attacked, and that if their dog did that to someone that was carrying, there's a good chance it would have been dead by the time they got there.

I agree that it's generally the owners and not the dogs that are at fault, although this dog was particularly aggressive. I can't believe this is the first time that the dog had acted aggressively like this and the owners should know better than to let it off leash. Even if it hadn't acted this way before, the dog should be leashed so that it can be controlled. I believe the White Mountain National Forest allows dogs to be off-leash but must be under voice command at all times. This dog clearly wasn't under the owners controls in any way. They acted totally surprised that their little angel acted this way and kept saying "he's never done this before." Well, now that they've seen it for themselves, I hope the act responsibly and keep him leashed, for his own good.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Which reply do you think the owners gave:

1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
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Leddy wrote:
Which reply do you think the owners gave:


1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry


4. You should give dogs more space.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
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4. said nothing.

we've got 2 dick neighbors who said nothing. one dick's doberman came out aggressively as my wife and i were walking. i grabbed a big rock and was ready to launch it. if that didn't stop it i had planned on offering up my left arm so my right hand cold crush it's windpipe. (all this was in my mind of course, hoping i could execute it properly.) i'm right handed so i also would have needed that hand to sign the legal documents when suing the shit out of the asshole. dog stopped short and was barking, dick neighbor came out and called the animal then turned and walked away saying nothing to us.

other dick has multiple dogs. one chased me on my mtb up the trail one day. he said nothing. same dick, different dog, i'm rolling out of my drive on my road bike and his other dog has it's ears flat, tail down, low, kinda quite growl going on. the dick calls the dog and as i ride by he kinda chuckles. this dude is a real piece of shit. he's probably in his late 60s, early 70s. he's in a house that, i think, was originally his fathers. we're in kind of a rural area and that house is one of the oldest ones up here. and it too is a piece of shit. the old dick doesnt like it that other people over time have moved to this part of the mountain. guess what ya dick, ya should have bought all the land around ya...problem solved. but ya didn't so piss off. i'd really like to break this guys hip.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
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Leddy wrote:
Which reply do you think the owners gave:

1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry

4. MY dog doesn't bite!

I had an indignant owner proclaim this after his German Shepherd blitzed me and got a full taste of my hip. According to the owner, it clearly didn't happen because he was 40 yards down the trail (not minding his dog) and he didn't see it happen.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [burnman] [ In reply to ]
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Does your dog bite?


"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
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MOP_Mike wrote:
Does your dog bite?

Excellent. I knew before watching which clip it would be.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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Ha! Thanks.

BTW, is there some secret voodoo to embedding video here? I always just get a link rather than inline. (Windows/Firefox).


"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
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MOP_Mike wrote:
Ha! Thanks.


BTW, is there some secret voodoo to embedding video here? I always just get a link rather than inline. (Windows/Firefox).


Yep.. Click the share button in you tube and copy and paste that link:


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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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Years ago when I lived in Southie a guy moved next door with his huge Rottweiler. I come home from a run one night and the guy is sitting on the stoop with some friends and the dog came after me, barking and snarling. I freeze and then start to back up quickly as the dog gets close; the guy suddenly whistles and the dog slams on the brakes as he gets within a few feet of me. I'm scared shitless and start yelling at the guy and he says "He won't bother you, you shouldn't have backed up like that!" while his friends laughed. I was pissed.

A few months later its winter and I'm shoveling out the car. Guy comes out with the dog and sure enough it makes a beeline towards me, growling and showing teeth. I stood back and had a good grip on the shovel, getting ready to swing for the fences if need be (full disclosure - I love dogs and don't advocate harming them, but was ready to protect myself). Guy does the same thing and whistles as the dog gets close, laughs and gets in his car and drives off. I would have definitely taken a beating from the guy if anything happened since he was much bigger than me, just hated the fact that on two occasions he let the dog rush me just for the fun of it.



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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Why not just pepper spray the dog?
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [burnman] [ In reply to ]
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burnman wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Which reply do you think the owners gave:

1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry


4. MY dog doesn't bite!

I had an indignant owner proclaim this after his German Shepherd blitzed me and got a full taste of my hip. According to the owner, it clearly didn't happen because he was 40 yards down the trail (not minding his dog) and he didn't see it happen.

I have a giant male Great Pyrenees, he goes 120+ lbs of pure muscle. Invariably someone will have a little dog off leash on the trail and as he runs up say, 'don't worry, he doesn't bite' I always respond 'mine does'. He doesn't, but I like to see them scramble.

People also need to keep their kids on a leash while we are bitching. Last weekend I was walking both of our Pyrs on a designated pet trail in the metropark. It is 3.5 miles through the woods. As we were finishing up there is a family walking towards us. They had a kid that was probably in the 3 - 4 year old range who sees our big fluffy dogs and comes running towards them. They don't bat an eye until I loudly tell their kid, 'you shouldn't run up to strange dogs, you never know if they'll bite' Finally mom trots forward and grabs the kid's hand. WTF? Whatever happened to telling your kids to not try to pet strange dogs?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
burnman wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Which reply do you think the owners gave:

1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry


4. MY dog doesn't bite!

I had an indignant owner proclaim this after his German Shepherd blitzed me and got a full taste of my hip. According to the owner, it clearly didn't happen because he was 40 yards down the trail (not minding his dog) and he didn't see it happen.


I have a giant male Great Pyrenees, he goes 120+ lbs of pure muscle. Invariably someone will have a little dog off leash on the trail and as he runs up say, 'don't worry, he doesn't bite' I always respond 'mine does'. He doesn't, but I like to see them scramble.

People also need to keep their kids on a leash while we are bitching. Last weekend I was walking both of our Pyrs on a designated pet trail in the metropark. It is 3.5 miles through the woods. As we were finishing up there is a family walking towards us. They had a kid that was probably in the 3 - 4 year old range who sees our big fluffy dogs and comes running towards them. They don't bat an eye until I loudly tell their kid, 'you shouldn't run up to strange dogs, you never know if they'll bite' Finally mom trots forward and grabs the kid's hand. WTF? Whatever happened to telling your kids to not try to pet strange dogs?

My kids will run up to strange dogs all the time. I have to constantly tell them not too.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
MOP_Mike wrote:
Ha! Thanks.


BTW, is there some secret voodoo to embedding video here? I always just get a link rather than inline. (Windows/Firefox).


Yep.. Click the share button in you tube and copy and paste that link:


Hmm.... Thanks. That's exactly what I did. Maybe it's an editor/browser interaction issue....


"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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That's one thing my kids do well. They always ask for permission to pet someone's dog, move slowly closer and then wait for the dog to come over. It took a lot of reminding but after we put our dog down all they wanted to do was play with every dog they saw.

Still working on staying away from the random cats and deer in our yard.

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
j p o wrote:
burnman wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Which reply do you think the owners gave:

1. It's ok he's friendly !

2. He's never done that before ?

3. Sorry


4. MY dog doesn't bite!

I had an indignant owner proclaim this after his German Shepherd blitzed me and got a full taste of my hip. According to the owner, it clearly didn't happen because he was 40 yards down the trail (not minding his dog) and he didn't see it happen.


I have a giant male Great Pyrenees, he goes 120+ lbs of pure muscle. Invariably someone will have a little dog off leash on the trail and as he runs up say, 'don't worry, he doesn't bite' I always respond 'mine does'. He doesn't, but I like to see them scramble.

People also need to keep their kids on a leash while we are bitching. Last weekend I was walking both of our Pyrs on a designated pet trail in the metropark. It is 3.5 miles through the woods. As we were finishing up there is a family walking towards us. They had a kid that was probably in the 3 - 4 year old range who sees our big fluffy dogs and comes running towards them. They don't bat an eye until I loudly tell their kid, 'you shouldn't run up to strange dogs, you never know if they'll bite' Finally mom trots forward and grabs the kid's hand. WTF? Whatever happened to telling your kids to not try to pet strange dogs?


My kids will run up to strange dogs all the time. I have to constantly tell them not too.

And I'm joking about the kid being on a leash thing. If the parents are making any effort whatsoever I'm fine with it. But in this case, and a lot of others, the parents see it and just laugh and smile. They are essentially putting my dog's life at risk. If a strange kid runs up and grabs his face then he will be held responsible for anything that happens. And since the kid's head will easily fit in his mouth, even the gentlest of reminder nips would probably not go over well.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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My youngest (he's 10) will now approach and ask the owner if he can pet the dog. 9 times out of 10 the dog will already have kids around it already when he does. We haven't run into a non-friendly dog yet....thank god. I personally don't think dogs should be allowed at public venues but that's different than what you guys are talking about. My kids interactions have always been at a rec ball game or cross country meet ina public park.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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Do you even know how to fight?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Why, do you wanna go?

Depends, is it like riding a bike? Went through my share in adolescence. Last punch I threw, after kicking down a door in college to get a guy off a female friend/ potential rape situation, put him in the hospital. If the dude was a trained fighter, things could have gone downhill, but I'm somewhat jacked from months of doing crossfit (long story) and was pretty ramped on adrenaline from seeing my son scared and being scared from him.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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So the answer is “no.”

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I'm somewhat jacked from months of doing crossfit


And?

I eat jacked crossfit guys for lunch lunch on a weekly basis. That’s not a brag. That’s just fact.

It’s a really good idea for you to not get into a physical confrontation.

I had to remove a guy from a job site Monday Tweaker was bothering people, me included. I asked him to leave and he started to verbally threaten me. I knew he had no training by the way he had his hands down.

I’m amazed that untrained people get into scraps. It’s not smart.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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<<It’s a really good idea for you to not get into a physical confrontation.>>

And he didn't. He said he wanted to, but didn't.

<<I’m amazed that untrained people get into scraps. It’s not smart.>>

It's also not smart to put people in situations where you or your pets are perceived as threatening other people's kids. Trained or not, wise or not, most parents are going to feel a very strong urge to do everything they can to protect their kids even if it means risking their own safety. Harry seems to have managed the situation well - he felt the anger welling up inside him but since the threat didn't mature into something that actually was doing harm to his kid, he didn't get into a fight.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [wimsey] [ In reply to ]
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6AM on a Sunday morning a few summers ago. 1/2 mile from the house a very large mutt runs straight for me while I am running. It runs out of a yard with a very obese woman sitting on the front porch of the trailer. I assume it must be a stray roaming the neighborhood since she is making no effort to stop the dog. I took refuge behind a mailbox and light pole. Trying to keep from getting bitten. When I realized it was no use the dog was going to get me I got my dog mace out and started to shake it up before I sprayed the dog. Once this fat bitch saw me getting ready to mace the dog she starts hollering for the dog and does her best attempt at running down the driveway to get the dog. I was so pissed but also still scared of the dog so I didn't go off on the woman like I wanted.

I guess she was going to sit there and watch me get bitten by the dog? This stopped me from running in the area.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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One of my neighbors has three chihuahuas. They always yap like crazy whenever something passes by. One night the three got out and came after my dog while I was walking her. They were biting her. I kicked one of the chihuahuas like a soccer ball. That was awesome, and it ended the attack.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Madduck] [ In reply to ]
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SSS

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Crank] [ In reply to ]
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Crank wrote:
One of my neighbors has three chihuahuas. They always yap like crazy whenever something passes by. One night the three got out and came after my dog while I was walking her. They were biting her. I kicked one of the chihuahuas like a soccer ball. That was awesome, and it ended the attack.

I'm surprised that satan himself didn't come after you for harming one of his demons.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [hazben] [ In reply to ]
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6AM on a Sunday morning a few summers ago. 1/2 mile from the house a very large mutt runs straight for me while I am running. It runs out of a yard with a very obese woman sitting on the front porch of the trailer. I assume it must be a stray roaming the neighborhood since she is making no effort to stop the dog. I took refuge behind a mailbox and light pole. Trying to keep from getting bitten. When I realized it was no use the dog was going to get me I got my dog mace out and started to shake it up before I sprayed the dog. Once this fat bitch saw me getting ready to mace the dog she starts hollering for the dog and does her best attempt at running down the driveway to get the dog. I was so pissed but also still scared of the dog so I didn't go off on the woman like I wanted.

I guess she was going to sit there and watch me get bitten by the dog? This stopped me from running in the area.

Since you already had the mace out, should have gone ahead and hit the owner with a spray or two.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Crank] [ In reply to ]
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Crank wrote:
One of my neighbors has three chihuahuas. They always yap like crazy whenever something passes by. One night the three got out and came after my dog while I was walking her. They were biting her. I kicked one of the chihuahuas like a soccer ball. That was awesome, and it ended the attack.

I was walking my dogs once when a neighbor's Golden retriever came out and started picking a fight with one of my huskies. I yelled at it and it turned towards me, bared its teeth, and growled. Although it's been years since I did any martial arts, instinct took over, and I unleashed a hard low front kick that caught it right in the chest and took all the wind out of it. Game over - it hobbled away, wheezing oddly. I was pretty satisfied with the outcome, and my dogs looked at me with new-found respect. ;-)

This dog had always been a typical mild-mannered Golden and had never given me or my dogs any trouble, so the incident seemed way out of character. Then I found out a couple of weeks later that her owners were going through a particularly nasty period in their marriage, which ended shortly in divorce. Made me feel bad for the poor dog which must've been really stressed out.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [hazben] [ In reply to ]
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I used to run early in the am when lots of people had their dogs off leash. They would look at me, look at their dog...do nothing. Once I took the pepper spray out, they would quickly leash the dog. I only once tried to spray a dog. A big German Shepard about 5 feet from me barking, growling, baring teeth. The owner was about 20 feet away telling me his dog wouldn't hurt a fly. Fortunately for the dog, the spray was frozen and he backed off without incident.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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You guys are all far too nice.

With or without the owner;
The approaching dog (of any size or breed) gets one warning, then I let fly with the biggest rock, stick, foot, fist available. No questions. No debates.
Little yappers I can outrun/ride, but anything fast enough to "instinctually" explore, receives "The Education!"

If the dog has instincts that cause them to chase or protect, both dog and owner will understand the drive of self-preservation.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
So the answer is “no.”

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I'm somewhat jacked from months of doing crossfit


And?

I eat jacked crossfit guys for lunch lunch on a weekly basis. That’s not a brag. That’s just fact.

It’s a really good idea for you to not get into a physical confrontation.

I had to remove a guy from a job site Monday Tweaker was bothering people, me included. I asked him to leave and he started to verbally threaten me. I knew he had no training by the way he had his hands down.

I’m amazed that untrained people get into scraps. It’s not smart.

I am amazed that unarmed people get into scraps. The best BJJ won't defend against a firearm. Except in drills of course. Good luck with that.

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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
Duffy wrote:
So the answer is “no.”

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I'm somewhat jacked from months of doing crossfit


And?

I eat jacked crossfit guys for lunch lunch on a weekly basis. That’s not a brag. That’s just fact.

It’s a really good idea for you to not get into a physical confrontation.

I had to remove a guy from a job site Monday Tweaker was bothering people, me included. I asked him to leave and he started to verbally threaten me. I knew he had no training by the way he had his hands down.

I’m amazed that untrained people get into scraps. It’s not smart.

I am amazed that unarmed people get into scraps. The best BJJ won't defend against a firearm. Except in drills of course. Good luck with that.

1. I don’t get in scraps. I’m acutely aware of my limitations. They are exposed to me 3-5 days a week.

2. I never train hand to hand weapons defense (unless you count running).

3. Who says I’m unarmed?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
So the answer is “no.”

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I'm somewhat jacked from months of doing crossfit


And?

I eat jacked crossfit guys for lunch lunch on a weekly basis. That’s not a brag. That’s just fact.

It’s a really good idea for you to not get into a physical confrontation.

I had to remove a guy from a job site Monday Tweaker was bothering people, me included. I asked him to leave and he started to verbally threaten me. I knew he had no training by the way he had his hands down.

I’m amazed that untrained people get into scraps. It’s not smart.

Just curious, what type of work do you do and how do you spend your leisure time that you are frequently getting into physical confrontations, especially with crossfit guys?
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I train jiu jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling and kickboxing. There are many crossfit peeps who come and go.

Ripped CF guys come in (some thinking they’re going to do well on day one) and get wrecked.

If they’re humble and want to learn they stay around. If they lack humility and self awareness they never come back.

And I’m not even that good.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Here in Philly you ride mtb in Wissahickon park at your own risk. I have 2 holes in my arm from a giant chocolate lab, been bit on the foot and nipped on my leg. Also have had numerous times I had to put my bike between me and an off leash angry dog. Two of the best were a crazy lady that walked two basically guard dog type Shepherds off leash. I had a giant rock in my hand and I was threatening to smash one in the face. The lady just kept saying ''come here'' in a soft cute voice and ignoring me.
Another time I learned what a Cane Corso was. Looked like a deer bounding through the woods at me. I let the owners have it after the showed up, and I was seriously the most scared ever in my life. If I was carrying that day I would have not hesitated to shoot it in the face.
Then there were these two arrogant women that walked a giant standard poodle off leash. That thing was super aggressive and when I confronted them on it one if them actually said ''he likes to chase bikers and knock them down''. That got heated and it was the only time in my life I called a woman the ''C'' word.
Now I carry mase and I won't hesitate to use it, on dog then the owner.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [ridenfish39] [ In reply to ]
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Get ye some bear spray:




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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:


I eat jacked crossfit guys for lunch lunch on a weekly basis. That’s not a brag. That’s just fact.




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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Sausagetail] [ In reply to ]
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I love dogs. But I will not tolerate a dog that comes into my yard threatening me or my family. Spraying the dog wins that battle, but what happens when it is my wife, or kid, or neighbor's grandkid's? No, aggressive dogs that do that need to be removed from the neighborhood permanently.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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You people are nuts. Dogs need to run and swim. Stop living in fear. I thought this was going to be a legit story of using violence in a dangerous situation.

The worst I have had to do "defending" myself against a dog is spray it with my water bottle on the bike...
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Amstel] [ In reply to ]
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Spoken like a guy who’s never had to break up a dog fight.

Keep your pet on a leash or keep it away from people and their pets.








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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Harry] [ In reply to ]
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Bear spray, first the dog then the owner.

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Once, I was fast. But I got over it.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [Amstel] [ In reply to ]
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Amstel wrote:
You people are nuts. Dogs need to run and swim. Stop living in fear. I thought this was going to be a legit story of using violence in a dangerous situation.

The worst I have had to do "defending" myself against a dog is spray it with my water bottle on the bike...

Well, N=1 is good enough for me. No need to ever worry about dogs biting or attacking humans.
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
I have a giant male Great Pyrenees, he goes 120+ lbs of pure muscle. Invariably someone will have a little dog off leash on the trail and as he runs up say, 'don't worry, he doesn't bite' I always respond 'mine does'. He doesn't, but I like to see them scramble.

I've been tempted to use a variation of this when someone's off leash dog comes at me. When they say "Don't worry, he's friendly!" I want to reply "I'm not." Folks don't get that everyone else doesn't understand their dog's body language or temperament. If I think a dog is going to bite I'll act accordingly.

Happily the dog park by my house is used by responsible owners and I've run close to or through the off leash area many times without ever having any issues.
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Have any of you been to South America? There are packs of unfed dogs all over the place. They are not on a leash yet people somehow coexist.

Whatever... This is typical US snowflake bullshit.

If this is a real danger, lets all post a picture of our dog scars. I'll start... See pic below.
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That’s your argument? Packs of feral dogs in South America? Ok.

I haven’t been to South America, but I’ve been to Mexico. Lotta stray dogs there, too. Lot of them have three legs. Also a lot of cheap street tacos available.

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Duffy wrote:
I train jiu jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling and kickboxing. There are many crossfit peeps who come and go.

Ripped CF guys come in (some thinking they’re going to do well on day one) and get wrecked.

If they’re humble and want to learn they stay around. If they lack humility and self awareness they never come back.

And I’m not even that good.

I would like to think I could handle myself if it came to blows but without any training perhaps I am being too optimistic.
What type of training would you recommend for someone who wants to be able to disable an opponent as quickly as possible should a situation escalate to a physical confrontation?
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I would like to think I could handle myself if it came to blows but without any training perhaps I am being too optimistic.

If your up against someone with no training it’s all about awareness and luck. Athleticism helps too.

If your up against someone with some training you really don’t have much of a chance.

Put it this way, the more I learn about fighting the less I want to actually get into one. People have asked me what my “go to” moves would be to end a fight quickly. My answer is “here, I’ll show you...”, then I turn around and run away.

I deal with guys that will tie me in knots without much effort and many of them don’t look tough at all.

I know how to fight but there are always people who are better at it.

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What type of training would you recommend for someone who wants to be able to disable an opponent as quickly as possible should a situation escalate to a physical confrontation?

Besides cardio so you can out run your opponent? Firearms training.

But for one on one “fights” with no weapons you’ll just have to get in the gym and wrestle, do jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, kickboxing (not that cardio kickboxing BS - sparring).

Any combat art where you regularly train against uncooperative opponents, where you are sparring live (not pre-choreographed movements).

There is no short cut.

Don’t fall for Krav Maga or Aikido.

Start training. Put in the time. It’s really fun.

And you’ll never want to get into a real fight again...

PM me your location and I might be able to recommend a place to start.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Closest to Physical Violence in Years [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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As a responsible dog owner who invests heavily (time and $) in training, it really bothers me when irresponsible people give us a bad name. If you have a dog, you need to have control and pick up after it. Control over your dog is for their safety as much, or more, then it is for anyone else's safety. I generally don't take my dogs to dog parks because most owners don't seem to have voice control over their dogs. If I say "down", my shepherd drops right where she is, even if she's playing. If I say "heel", she's at my left side within 5 seconds. Anyone who is amused by their dog's aggressive behavior or scaring people with a dog is not fit to own one.

If someone asks if my dog bites, the answer is "only on command".



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As a responsible dog owner who invests heavily (time and $) in training, it really bothers me when irresponsible people give us a bad name.

Irresponsible owners don’t give responsible owners a bad name. It quickly becomes very obvious who is who.

Responsible owners with well behaved dogs stand out very clearly these days.

Thank you for being a responsible owner.

It’s good for the public, it’s good for your dog and it’s good for you.

Again, thanks.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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