That woman sounds like a basket case.

She sounds like she has absolutely no grasp or understanding of her own emotions, desires, drivers, etc. It's great that she has discovered a dynamic that leads to great sex, the part about "wanting to cry when I turn on the news" or "needing to throw my phone across the room after reading another presidential tweet" is pretty sad.

Also, the article can simply be distilled down to "opposites attract". You're not loving if you're not fighting once in a while :).

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It's not the men per se, it's what they wear.

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Also, this just in, women love jerks.

Ever been arguing with Mrs Duffy and she yells "you're such an asshole sometimes!!" Then you go and have that really fun crazy hate sex?

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Well, it's fun for me.

Isn't that all that matters?

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Lol, that was hilarious.

I'm pretty libertarian. Wife is a lefty. She's got a lot of moxie. Doesn't really "back down" over anything. We don't talk much about those political issues that are friction points. Those conversations just leave both of us irritated. Which, unlike the Glamor chick, does not lead to anyone getting laid.

I picked her up ~20yrs ago in a WA DC pool hall. She was a young lawyer in a world of metrosexuals. I was in a dashing young Infantry officer.

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"If only he had used his genius for niceness, instead of Evil." M. Smart

I'm a little surprised you read Glamour...

How about putting "spoilers" in the title. Some of us haven't read this month's Glamour yet!

??? Nice pool hall!

Want to satisfy womens?

Know what they want. Read what they read. Watch what they watch.

Feel what they feel.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Yep. I'm fairly certain I'm sitting at a perfect 1.0 batting average for orgasms. You know, for me. Couldn't tell you what my wife's is. That sounds like her problem.

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Want to satisfy womens?


Know what they want. Read what they read. Watch what they watch.


Feel what they feel.


Nah, that's an awful lot of work.

literally a dumb f*ck.

In high school, I found this truism to be particularly bewildering. WTF? Why? What is going on with this?

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"If only he had used his genius for niceness, instead of Evil." M. Smart

There really is something to that. When I was younger, I lost interest in what I was studying, dropped out of University and started an apprenticeship in carpentry. For a while, I felt kind of ashamed, like I had failed or would be looked at as stupid. But it was then that I learned how attracted women were to men who were more traditionally manly, could work with their hands or weren't afraid to work hard or get dirty. I still think I get more attention when I'm wearing my carhartts then I do when I'm dressed up nicely.

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IMO, a few things at play there:

There is an element of danger, or excitement, in dating a jerk.

Being a jerk often gives the illusion of commanding authority, which can be an attractive quality.

Some women, especially when younger, see it as a challenge. A really good looking guy with a personality problem can be "changed".

I think, in general, jerks tend to draw more attention to themselves then a confident but soft spoken person who walks the walk rather then talks the talk. Those types tend to fly under the radar and go unnoticed. Most teenagers are shallow. Most out-grow that phase.


And finally, and most importantly, women are crazy, there really isn't any rational reason for why they do anything :-).

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Chicks dig a man in uniform.

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"If only he had used his genius for niceness, instead of Evil." M. Smart

Don't worry, it's not a problem.

Tyrone is taking care of that for you...

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

It's cute that Trump supporters think supporting Trump makes them more likely to be manly.

But I do agree that there is a shortage of males who are men. My wife hates sissified men. We frequently laugh as we walk through a crowded area and point out how many women look doable versus the number of guys who would catch her attention.

Suburban guys don't actually know how to do things. Go into an office setting and ask who there has changed brakes on a car, actually built something, done simple plumbing work, ... Just doesn't happen any more.

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So do dudes.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Yep. This is the style that worked for me. We always joke that she couldn't resist my paper hat. And I fell for her polyester smock and visor combo.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Supporting Trump doesn't make you more manly.

But I'm sure that effeminate men are less likely to be a Trumper.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I certainly don't speak for all women. But being a gal who's pops was an auto mechanic and taught her all he knew. I am definitely of the opinion that I'd rather have a guy who can fix it (if I can't) than a guy who can pay to have it fixed. And I'll suck the motor oil right from your fingernails.

Men are so damn arrogant. Ya know, it's not always about men.

Perhaps the lady, herself really isn't into having a serious relationship, therefore she kills some time with someone she knows she'd never commit to.

Why is this is pink?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I think the example we were referring to are mainly the women who date jerks, with the intent of a relationship, who then end up getting hurt by said jerk, not the self assured woman who acknowledges she's datinf a jerk and sheds no tear when the relationship runs its course becUse she was just having some fun.

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You are confusing being an asshole with being manly. See, Diaz.

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

It's still hard for me to understand. I really get a case of the ass when I see someone treated poorly. Somehow, over the decades, people being considerate of others has become important to me. Finding out that a girl I was dating was "a jerk" would be a huge turn-off. There'd be no...
"I can make her better"
"I can hang out with a jerk for a while"

It'd be 100% "you are not a good person" and the door would bang me in the ass on my way out.

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"If only he had used his genius for niceness, instead of Evil." M. Smart

No I'm not. In fact, in my experience effeminate men are more likely to be assholes than manly men.

And liberal men are so far off the charts of assholiness when compared to conservative men it's barely even worth noting.

And I didn't post the Diaz gif as an example of a manly man. I posted it because "I'm not surprised, mother fuckers!" about a story that has a heterosexual woman being attracted to MEN.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Absolutely agree. I would not be able to stand next to someone and defend their behavior, and would walk in a heartbeat. Even when my wife has her moments (what can I say, she's an Australian redhead) I tell her she's being an ass, or probably owes someone an apology.

I hate it when people say "they're really nice, you just need to get to know them". That just means they are a jerk to everyone but their friends. Well, no shit, everyone is nice to their friends.

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TLDR: Liberal woman likes to argue and sleep around.

I wonder if what she really likes is men who don't kowtow to her.

Is that the reason for the skinny jeans?

No man, jeggings are 'manly'.

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No. But it is the reason for the strap-on.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Which one is you?

I should get Tyrone a nice e Christmas card or something.

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off topic...I never "got" Liz Phair....ever....

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"one eye doubles my eyesight, so things don't look half bad" John Hiatt

You single by chance??? I can do basic repairs on cars, am pretty handy......and I'm an excellent bike mechanic :D :D

There is some truth to this. Yet the whole shaggy beard thing is popular. As if that's going to make up for their inability to change oil

I watched a guy unsuccessfully back up a rental van at the dump recently. He gave the keys to his Asian girlfriend and she managed it just fine. I demanded his man card right then and there.

a) no, she's not, and

b) get in line

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

:) That's hot.

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Did that part need to be there?

"Girlfriend" alone would have done just fine

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

My preference is to offend the smaller group of individuals. Just a segment of the gender is acceptable - the whole gender, not.

He gave the keys to his Asian girlfriend and she managed it just fine. I demanded his man card right then and there.
Did that part need to be there?

"Girlfriend" alone would have done just fine

Well, it does say a lot. Have you ever seen Asian's drive?

yeah, I see your point

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Spent 3 weeks in Saigon without seeing a single accident. The mens and womens driving skills are pretty impressive.

"That woman sounds like a basket case. "

Agreed. Or maybe she was drunk. Or maybe just a bit of a slut.

Let's not talk about fixin' stuff since I wasted this whole day fixing the brakes on my motorcycle. Sure, I saved a couple of hundred bucks in shop fees, but now I have a sore back. A great hobby, but I'd hate to do it for a living. Lots of us are quite capable of doing our own oil changes, etc., but there are times when its just as easy to pay somebody to do it. Think of it this way - your dad wouldn't had a job if everybody did their own repairs.

Nothing wrong with either of those things.

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Indeed, I used to do a lot more of my own work ~ whether bikes, cars, house, etc ~ but that was back when I had more time than money. Nowadays, I figure my time is worth more than the guy's I can hire to do that shit for me, so I can have more left over to do fun stuff like fishing or riding my bike. It's like buying my weekends back.

I guess my point was that if she'd sleep with a Trump supporter, then she'd sleep with anybody. :-)

Agreed 100%. I don't even cut my own grass or shovel my driveway any more. I guess that's a sign that you've finally "made it" when you can hire somebody to do that stuff for you. :-)

Hey, my wife resembles that comment! Sadly, the stereotype fits her to a 'T'

I think it is actually a sign that you have become less manly.

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Spent 3 weeks in Saigon without seeing a single accident. The mens and womens driving skills are pretty impressive.

I biked through all of Asia and lived in Thailand and the Philippines and my observation is that they are good drivers when riding motorcycles, where traffic rules aren't enforced and riding in lanes is optional. They seem to do well in chaos but take that away, have driving rules and where you have to ride in a designated lane, all hell breaks loose.

Hmmmm, so that must be why all those super fast motherfuckers in the M45-49AG are on 'Low T' therapy...?

Wait, isn't your motorcycle new?

As someone who walks miles every day along the shoulders of our roads. Staying in your lane is a lost skill in the US also.

If you ever want to experience that stereotype in the extreme, just hang out in the Ikea parking lot in Richmond. There aren't enough back up cameras in the world to make that place safe...

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As someone who walks miles every day along the shoulders of our roads. Staying in your lane is a lost skill in the US also.


Yes. I was hit by a pickup truck while riding a fully loaded touring bike in the bike lane of a road in Oregon. The driver said he didn't see me and I had a bright jacket and very bright and large pannier bags.


And, he wasn't Asian :)

Be prepared to live in poverty for the rest of your life....(financially and intellectually).

But maybe you enjoy being the main provider....and order your handyman around.

I've got oil and dirt on my hands fixing things all the time, and from my experience statement strikes me as "out of touch" and disingenuous.

"Wait, isn't your motorcycle new? "

Yup. Blew a brake line. Pain in the ass to change it as you have to move a shock to reroute a new line. Then bleed it.

That pretty well describes all the handy men I've ever hired. Usually the wife is the one with a better education, the higher paying job and is always the boss in the relationship. But the guy can fix stuff around the house.

Sorry, it had to be done

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Do you think one can't make money or provide for a family with a trade?

Intellectual poverty? Have you stepped foot on to a university lately?

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That's probably because you can't afford to hire the good handymen.

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That pretty well describes all the handy men I've ever hired. Usually the wife is the one with a better education, the higher paying job and is always the boss in the relationship. But the guy can fix stuff around the house.

That's probably because you can't afford to hire the good handymen.

Good handymen are hard to find though and apparently, it's because they're too busy with all the women...

I have definitely been propositioned by the wives of clients before. It's incredibly bizarre and rarely as sexy and exciting as it would seem.

Almost everyone I know who got ahead early in life did it with a trade. If you start an apprenticeship out of highschool, by 21 or 22, you can walk in to a good paying job with zero debt (money in the bank, actually, as you're paid to go to school) or start your own business. I know people who at 25-26 have several employees, a few rental properties, etc. while their University counterparts are still struggling with internships and considering going back to get a master's degree and take on more student debt.

It blows me away that people make comments like we're made above about living in intellectual and financial poverty... Spoken out of true ignorance.

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I left the Ad Business just after 9/11 and fucking the clients was still considered part of the job

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

All the mechanics I work with make more money than I do (work for a car company). They are doing just fine. And none of them are intellectually challenged.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Among my extended family and close friends I know a carpenter, a stonemason, a coppersmith, two house painters, a locksmith and a roofer. None of them are intellectually challenged, though a couple are pretty standard blue collar types, a couple are a lot smarter than you'd think from looking at them or even after the first couple of conversations. None of them are killing it financially though - the house painters do the best because they co-own the business.

Well, I didn't say that any of them are killing it.

But they make between $80 and $100k CAD. That's certainly respectable.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Yah, that's sounds about right for my crew as well (except the painters), and it's certainly respectable. I admit my worldview on compensation is warped by the high cost of living city I live in, and the high compensation field I work in.

Almost everyone I know who got ahead early in life did it with a trade.

Yes, I do the corporate taxes for 2 brothers in law, both in the trades. They were working for years as I was getting my CPA and it has taken me a long time to catch up. They will also retire long before me and have done very well. One had an electrical business and now also owns an auto repair shop and the other started in furnaces and now has his 2 sons (one a plumber and the other in sheet metal and furnaces). The sons will be taking over and they can't keep up with the work.

The barrier to entry for most trades jobs is rising and weeding out the unmotivated, unintelligent etc. Almost every employer requires you to either be certified or be in an apprenticeship program. The school work can actually be quite challenging. I found trade school to be on par with 1st/2nd year university courses. The work load and pace was very high. Most of the dumb-dumbs were weeded out in 1st Year. By third year our classes were full of motivated, reasonably intelligent people.

Contrast that with 20 years ago, almost nobody went to trade school, it was seen as a waste of time and lost hours for the employer. If you helped your grandpa build a shed one weekend, you could call yourself a carpenter. Dug ditches as a summer job? Hello plumber! None of the Carpenters I trained under had their certification. The industry has really changed for the better.

A few trades are still lagging behind, like painting and drywalling, and those tend to attract the rougher elements of society (but you can still make good money doing it, if you're savvy.)

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That's probably because you can't afford to hire the good handymen. "

Mostly jobbers and hackers in our area. We live in a rural area where any guy who owns a pickup truck, hammer and ladder calls himself a tradesman irregardless of previous training or experience. Its a lot different in Victoria.

I felt skeezy and like I needed a shower after reading that piece. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

People who see me at work, all dirty with a wrench in my hand, usually assume I'm a low income dirt bag.

There was an exchange with a guy not long ago...

I was doing a repair at a gas station and Rush Limbaugh was playing on my radio. Just 10 minutes prior the same radio station was playing Stephanie Miller (super liberal) who I also listen to (recently dropped from the station).

A guy filling up his Prius said, "it amazes me the people like you would listen to that guy."

So I asked him, "what do mean people like me?"

He said, "you know, hard working, blue collar, low income."

I asked him where he lived and whether he rented or owned his home.

Lompoc, rents.

I said, "and you are calling me low income?"

My father-in-law's next door neighbor is a plumber. He's making money hand over fist.

He's a dirt bag too.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

People who see me at work, all dirty with a wrench in my hand, usually assume I'm a low income dirt bag.


People see me - dressed nicely, and I am guessing, they are saying, "This guy makes a lot of money".

I know the people on my street think that - always jetting off to some place for work. Last week Vancouver. Next week, Las Vegas. Two weeks after that Kona, Hawaii!

But I work on the Endurance Sports Race/Events business with some side work in the Bike/Tri business - two businesses that you work in ONLY if you have a huge passion for them and, a knowledge that you are going to NOT make a whole lot of money!

Looks can be deceiving!

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That still doesn't explain why it's the jerk that is appealing and not the nice guy.

I'm not rich (despite what windywave thinks) but I'm almost certain that I make more money than a Prius driving liberal who rents an apartment in Lompoc.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

In that situation, the jerk is appealing because he is able to have a primarily physical, low commitment 'fun' relationship because he doesn't really care about her or her feelings. To put it in very crass terms, sometimes the womens just wants to get fucked, not made love to. Nice guys tend to way over think that sort of stuff, or at least, are perceived that way.

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That is hilarious.

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That's kinda why I retired from SportFucking

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

There is a missing critical fact: The jerk has to be good looking. The rotund ugly jerk is not hooking up. Neither is the ugly metro. Remember the first rule of dating --- be good looking. The second rule --- don't be ugly.

Remember the first rule of dating --- be good looking. The second rule --- don't be ugly.

But no one will admit that. The default line is they are looking for a good "personality" (*wink*)

Have you seen her photo? If not, she's on Twitter. My guess is whether it was a Trump supporter or Clinton supporter she is going to take what she can get. The article is embarrassing. I actually feel bad for her. Just another Millennial with MAJOR issues.

https://twitter.com/...s/906679284798033922

Korey Raye Lane‏ @KoreyRaye
I'd be proud of this, but now even more gross men have found me, so.

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I never have, and never will, fuck an ugly chick.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb