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Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc
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I am considering going full dentist and buying a disc wheel at retail price from either Dash or Alto, but I have not seen any reviews by real people. Anyone have experience with these products? Are there any other tubeless ready, wide clincher discs on the market that make sense for less than $2,000? Obviously this is very expensive to use half a dozen times per year, so I'm nervous
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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I have no idea what the hell is going on at HED' but there are some crazy deals. Jet+ black for 1100
https://www.mybikeshop.com/...rranty-save-20-today
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:
I have no idea what the hell is going on at HED' but there are some crazy deals. Jet+ black for 1100
https://www.mybikeshop.com/...rranty-save-20-today

I prefer structural carbon
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Its actually even cheaper, 1100 less 25% with the coupon code HED25, comes to 824 + shipping.

I'd take one of these over a disc cover. Sure the cover is just as fast, but I didn't enjoy taking it off and putting it on. And if you are going to have a dedicated wheel for it, then add in the cost for that wheel...
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.

I prefer to be able to get tires on a rim with my hands or with a single lever. I also like to stop when I brake.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Another HED Jet+ disc user here. Love mine.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.

I prefer to be able to get tires on a rim with my hands or with a single lever. I also like to stop when I brake.

Not sure what your saying but I have had great luck with the flo disk four about four years. That one is aluminum and was the fastest disk I had in the wind tunnel.

The carbon 60/90 set stop just fine even wet with their pads, or at least as well as my Firecrest zipp 303
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [iamuwere] [ In reply to ]
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iamuwere wrote:
davews09 wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.


I prefer to be able to get tires on a rim with my hands or with a single lever. I also like to stop when I brake.


Not sure what your saying but I have had great luck with the flo disk four about four years. That one is aluminum and was the fastest disk I had in the wind tunnel.

The carbon 60/90 set stop just fine even wet with their pads, or at least as well as my Firecrest zipp 303

I think he was referring to the carbon version, although nothing stops like Black. If you don't have Black in the front though no need for Black in the back IMHO, it is just too much stopping power in the rear in that case. Out of curiosity, any chance you could throw your wind tunnel file up somewhere? Love to see what you tested.


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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
grumpier.mike wrote:
I have no idea what the hell is going on at HED' but there are some crazy deals. Jet+ black for 1100
https://www.mybikeshop.com/...rranty-save-20-today

I prefer structural carbon

Go with a used Renn. Flat discs are slightly faster when drafting a cutout seat tube, and used discs are typically in great shape since they are race only wheels.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Spend a couple of hours with the dash v2 yesterday and a corsa speed tyre. Tyre didnt seal to the preinstallede tubeless tape, so tried the silica 25mm instead. Tape looked like a perfect fit, but i think the wheel dimensions are simply too big for a course speed and two wraps of silica. Or the tyre is too small most likely. Even with compressor air i couldnt get the beads to blow out to the rim edges.

Anyone else mangaged to mount a corsa speed tubeless to this wheel?

Any clue when we will see a 25mm corsa speed? Ran over a large screw on my other wheels with a corsa speed tubeless. Pulled it out of the tyre, big visual hole, lost of spray, turned the hole towards the pavement, waited a little, added air and rode off. Raced the same wheel and tyre today for an OL distance, no issues whatsoever. Pretty sold on this tubeless stuff.

What would would be the 2nd most preferred tubeless tyre? Please dont say schwalbe pro one..

Edit: too many spelling mistakes to correct. Thanks iOS
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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If you are going full-dentist, make sure you get a solid core disk that does a proper "whomp-whomp" sound when you pedal.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Full Dentist = Zipp Super 9
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [jakesdk] [ In reply to ]
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jakesdk wrote:
most preferred tubeless tyre?

S-Works Turbo Road Tubeless
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:
I have no idea what the hell is going on at HED' but there are some crazy deals. Jet+ black for 1100
https://www.mybikeshop.com/...rranty-save-20-today



That link is for a "track" disc however... but geez...the regular jet black disc is going for $999...what is going on?
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.


I prefer to be able to get tires on a rim with my hands or with a single lever. I also like to stop when I brake.

Can you elaborate on this a little? There should be no issues putting tires on a FLO DISC wheel.. Do you have experience with our DISC wheels? If so, what tire were you using?

Can I ask I why you couldn't stop on our A+C DISC, or even our Carbon DISC?


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Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [jakesdk] [ In reply to ]
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Tubeless install pro tips from the fat bike world.

1. Install rim tape and mount tire WITH tube and ride it for a few days. This will lay the tape down solidly to the rim surface and create the best possible bond between rim and tape.

2. Remove ONE bead and pull the tube out and put the tubeless valve in place. It's much easier to mount tubeless tires with one bead already in place.

EXTRA CREDIT: try the above with no sealant first to make sure you will get a good seal. It's an extra step that can prevent a mess of sealant all over the place.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [tri-tele] [ In reply to ]
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tri-tele wrote:
Tubeless install pro tips from the fat bike world.

1. Install rim tape and mount tire WITH tube and ride it for a few days. This will lay the tape down solidly to the rim surface and create the best possible bond between rim and tape.

2. Remove ONE bead and pull the tube out and put the tubeless valve in place. It's much easier to mount tubeless tires with one bead already in place.

EXTRA CREDIT: try the above with no sealant first to make sure you will get a good seal. It's an extra step that can prevent a mess of sealant all over the place.

Lovely, thanks!
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
jakesdk wrote:
most preferred tubeless tyre?


S-Works Turbo Road Tubeless

Gracias!
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Canadian wrote:
Can you elaborate on this a little? There should be no issues putting tires on a FLO DISC wheel.. Do you have experience with our DISC wheels? If so, what tire were you using?

Can I ask I why you couldn't stop on our A+C DISC, or even our Carbon DISC?

I don't think we need to go back and forth on this topic again, Chris. Agree to disagree. Not everybody needs to love Flo carbon clinchers.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [jakesdk] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else mangaged to mount a corsa speed tubeless to this wheel?

My Dash disc has a corsa mounted to it. I was not able to do it myself, though that isn't a very good indicator. I will say the mechanic that did it was about to give up before getting a tip from another mechanic that works in the shop and has a lot of experience with those tires. So it must not be too easy.

As for the disc itself: I was surprised that it was skinnier than my Zipp disc, required a brake adjustment. This surprised me because I didn't actually research the widths ahead of time and the Dash advertises itself as a wide disc. Also, the Dash hub is crazy loud for freewheeling, which is either cool or annoying, depending on your perspective. One concern I had before ordering was that the brake track wouldn't be great, but it works fine.

I like running my disc tubeless because I have had trouble with ruining latex tubes while pumping up tires, so it's nice not to worry about that. I can't imagine there is any significant difference in aero-ness amongst the various disc options, but I don't have any actual information one way or another.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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this "full dentist" bought a zipp disk used for 1200$ 3 yrs ago.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [jakesdk] [ In reply to ]
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jakesdk wrote:
kileyay wrote:
jakesdk wrote:
most preferred tubeless tyre?


S-Works Turbo Road Tubeless


Gracias!

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
I prefer structural carbon

Why?
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Canadian wrote:
davews09 wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
Flo disc is $650 for the hybrid and $950 for full carbon. Both are wide and tubeless compatible.


I prefer to be able to get tires on a rim with my hands or with a single lever. I also like to stop when I brake.


Can you elaborate on this a little? There should be no issues putting tires on a FLO DISC wheel.. Do you have experience with our DISC wheels? If so, what tire were you using?

Can I ask I why you couldn't stop on our A+C DISC, or even our Carbon DISC?


I don't think you want this guy as a customer. Remember this thread?

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...nchers!_P5875463-17/

See his post about 2/3 down the page and subsequent responses.

After he sustained "damage" after a 5 hour ride in the rain in the mountains (seriously... I don't see the damage in those photos) you guys gave him a full refund even though there was nothing wrong with the wheel. He should be super happy, right?

Then he goes on ST and posts a tirade comparing you to cheap open mold Chinese wheels. This guy obviously has a personal bent. Let another wheel company deal with him.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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davews09 wrote:
I am considering going full dentist and buying a disc wheel at retail price from either Dash or Alto, but I have not seen any reviews by real people. Anyone have experience with these products? Are there any other tubeless ready, wide clincher discs on the market that make sense for less than $2,000? Obviously this is very expensive to use half a dozen times per year, so I'm nervous


I have the Dash Gretchen Clincher (original not the V2) mounted to a Corsa Speed. I'm running this tubeless. No issues to mount, no issues braking and basically no issues after 4 races. Tire mounted to a 2013 Cervelo P3. I wanted something tubeless, light and thin to fit my bike.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think Chris needs your help here, Flo Fanboy. The post you referenced was factual and Chris allayed my concerns amicably. I have nothing against Flo as a company, in fact I'm still a proponent of their A+C wheels, I just choose not to ride their CCs based on my past experience.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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BBLOEHR wrote:
this "full dentist" bought a zipp disk used for 1200$ 3 yrs ago.

I went "IT Worker With Kids" and also bought a used super9 and 808 clinchers for about 1600 total.
The Super 9 has held up great, easy to get tires on. Been using it with latex tubes and Conti GP4000sII, no flats, rolls nice.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
BBLOEHR wrote:
this "full dentist" bought a zipp disk used for 1200$ 3 yrs ago.


I went "IT Worker With Kids" and also bought a used super9 and 808 clinchers for about 1600 total.
The Super 9 has held up great, easy to get tires on. Been using it with latex tubes and Conti GP4000sII, no flats, rolls nice.

Snap you got a better deal then me! I spent 2k on sup9/808 combo. Would like to upgrade to Enve 7.8 front next yr.

2024: Bevoman, Galveston, Alcatraz, Marble Falls, Santa Cruz
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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BBLOEHR wrote:
SBRcanuck wrote:
BBLOEHR wrote:
this "full dentist" bought a zipp disk used for 1200$ 3 yrs ago.


I went "IT Worker With Kids" and also bought a used super9 and 808 clinchers for about 1600 total.
The Super 9 has held up great, easy to get tires on. Been using it with latex tubes and Conti GP4000sII, no flats, rolls nice.


Snap you got a better deal then me! I spent 2k on sup9/808 combo. Would like to upgrade to Enve 7.8 front next yr.

I know there is a lot of love for 7.8's, but why would you consider them an 'upgrade' from a super9/808 combo??
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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Think there is argument to be made that it will handle better in the wind, not that I have major issues with the 808, but if it takes less effort to handle it in cross winds maybe that translates into A. a better bike split or B. not being as worn out when done with bike due to less fatigue overall. C. Enve 7.8 has a better hub then my FC808 which is now 3-4 yrs old.

So overall I do think the 7.8 is a upgraded wheel to a FC808.

Lastly Enve has great showing/support at Kona which I really like supporting companies that come out and support great races like that.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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Snap you got a better deal then me! I spent 2k on sup9/808 combo. Would like to upgrade to Enve 7.8 front next yr.
Terrible idea.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
BBLOEHR wrote:


Snap you got a better deal then me! I spent 2k on sup9/808 combo. Would like to upgrade to Enve 7.8 front next yr.

Terrible idea.


Well now we could get into the "when are disk brakes taking over" debate!

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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Don't support a company whose marketing director claims disc wheels are not for triathlon.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Don't support a company whose marketing director claims disc wheels are not for triathlon.

But you can argue they don't make fast wheels! And one day a disk will be coming! It will be best disk ever with a disc break of course to.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
BBLOEHR wrote:
this "full dentist" bought a zipp disk used for 1200$ 3 yrs ago.


I went "IT Worker With Kids" and also bought a used super9 and 808 clinchers for about 1600 total.
The Super 9 has held up great, easy to get tires on. Been using it with latex tubes and Conti GP4000sII, no flats, rolls nice.

that's about what I have into my 808/Super9 combo..

1050 BIN ebay for the super9 CC
565 ebay win for the 808 CC ... so $1615 for the combo (I'm happy since both are prestine)
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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BBLOEHR wrote:
Think there is argument to be made that it will handle better in the wind, not that I have major issues with the 808, but if it takes less effort to handle it in cross winds maybe that translates into A. a better bike split or B. not being as worn out when done with bike due to less fatigue overall. C. Enve 7.8 has a better hub then my FC808 which is now 3-4 yrs old.

So overall I do think the 7.8 is a upgraded wheel to a FC808.

Lastly Enve has great showing/support at Kona which I really like supporting companies that come out and support great races like that.

1) i don't think the 7.8 would handle better in the wind. if you really are concerned with that, get the forthcoming 858 or whatever it's going to be called

2) better hubs don't really do anything, unless they break. zipp hubs aren't really known for being amazing, but i can virtually guarantee they are no slower or faster than a dt240 or that new enve hub.

3) in conclusion, going to a 7.8 set from an 808/super9 is never something i would do. YMMV.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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858$$$$

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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I know there is a lot of love for 7.8's, but why would you consider them an 'upgrade' from a super9/808 combo??

I have both, and honestly I prefer the Enve's because they are tubeless compatible and because they are wider, so they are more practical (or desirable, at least to me) and more comfortable. I am running a 26mm S-Works Turbo on my rear 7.8 with a 24mm up front, set up tubeless, and I'm running them at 80/85 PSI, respectively. The ride quality is outstanding, and I don't have to worry about pinch flats. Soon we will have more tubeless tire options methinks. There is a downside to all this, which is that the tires aren't quite as easy to get on the Enve rim as on Zipp 808s -- and half the time, you need to use a tire lever. This is the struggle of our time.

The "handling" thing is nonsense, of course. The braking quality of the Enve's is to me indistinguishable from Zipp Firecrests, even in rain.

I really don't like Enve as a company, but the products they make are great products.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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I'd probably call the fronts a wash.. 808 vs 7 but the rear being a disc, i'll give the edge to Zipp ofcourse. I do agree the enve's will probably be more comfy. I use the 4.5 as training wheels and they are very comfy compared to my race only 808/S9 combo. I've ridden the 7.8s on a different bike and had the same wonderful comfy feelings. I'd get the 7.8s in a heartbeat, but they are too wide for my road bike..so I can't pull double duty.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [Nolegs] [ In reply to ]
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X2

But i didnt use rim tape. Why? There are no spoke holes to seal. I have tire and valve and sealant. Raced it 300mi this year. No issues.

Tho to the OP - Alto's disc is also very impressive. It wasnt out when I got the Dash so I didnt have a choice - which Im glad. I would have struggled. I have Altos for all my other wheels on my bikes.

Tested Super 9 w Force tire and the Dash w Corsa earlier this year at A2. I cant remember which one won or if they were tied but it was essentially no difference. I should go back and double check. Pedals off, no rider. It was a good bit lighter and tubeless as well so easy choice at that point for me which one I was keeping.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [davews09] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like few interesting discs in development. Given their wind tunnel knowledge the Specialized one looks intetesting. Then here in the UK we have the TT'ers favourite Aerocoach and their new proto type which I expect has probably been around the Newport Velodrome more times than Geraint Thomas.

Swiss side have been working on one for a while as well.

The revolver Asym is interesting too.

Otherwise I would say the Hed discs are probably the most popular here with lots going to the Corsa Speed tubeless setup.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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What brand of latex tubes do you put in? My usual Vittoria have too long a stem.

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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [Arnaud] [ In reply to ]
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Verdestein (sp?). They were recommended a while ago by rappstar for their shorter stem.
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Re: Review of Dash Clincher Disc new version or Alto Cycling Clincher Disc [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
Verdestein (sp?). They were recommended a while ago by rappstar for their shorter stem.

Vredestein: http://www.ebay.com/...sh=item3f80f399c9:g:~WAAAOSwXXxZWhin

They list as having a 50mm valve stem, which doesn't *seem* like it's that much shorter than the Vittoria, but it is. Vredestein measures including the valve core while Vittoria does not. But neither measures in any truly logical way that I can decipher. But there is quite a bit of difference between them.

Actual measured stems of each:
- Vittoria 42mm (excluding valve core)
- Vredestein 25mm (excluding valve core)

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