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I didn't see a thread on this, but I just caught wind of Sarah Thomas in progress in pursuit of a 104 mile OWS.


Tracker: https://track.rs/ssthomas/


I think this link will take you to her Facebook:


https://www.facebook.com/...ZWtRkqTiGuadfvXMpaQA


https://www.facebook.com/...sts/1547621055302810


That's pretty hard core.

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SLOgoing wrote:
I didn't see a thread on this, but I just caught wind of Sarah Thomas in progress in pursuit of a 104 mile OWS.
Tracker: https://track.rs/ssthomas/
I think this link will take you to her Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/...ZWtRkqTiGuadfvXMpaQA
https://www.facebook.com/...sts/1547621055302810
That's pretty hard core.

Thanks for posting. From the links and Google, I see that she is swimming down Lake Champlain, mainly in NY State. Acc to Wiki, water temps in July/Avg are around 70*F which would be perfect for Ms. Thomas, who hates water above 72-ish. No wetsuit of course, as in standard for many OW swimmers, although FINA now requires them at temps below 68*. Ms. Thomas hosted an "ask me anything" thread on ST after her last uber swim, which IIRC was 80 miles in Lake Powell in Oct '16.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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That would crush the old world record if she makes it. Seems like she pays attention to the requirements for breaking records, so assume she has that in mind here and minding her P's and Q's..And very smart doing these swims in fresh water too, eliminates so many negative variables from the ocean.

Thanks for the link, will follow her along her journey.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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Is there an estimate on the time this will take?
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Traket92x] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know... after 24 hours she has gone 42 miles. So, maybe 55 hours? By Wednesday evening (ET)?

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder if it would be legal to have a kayak a good distance in front, so no drafting, towing a florescent fishing line so she could just swim and not worry about her direction of travel. She could just see the line below her.

I would like to know what grease she puts on too. That helps slide through the water besides offering protection, no?
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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Damn. That's nuts.

This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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wow.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [monty] [ In reply to ]
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That would crush the old world record if she makes it. Seems like she pays attention to the requirements for breaking records, so assume she has that in mind here and minding her P's and Q's..And very smart doing these swims in fresh water too, eliminates so many negative variables from the ocean.

Thanks for the link, will follow her along her journey.

Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.
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I wonder if it would be legal to have a kayak a good distance in front, so no drafting, towing a florescent fishing line so she could just swim and not worry about her direction of travel. She could just see the line below her.

While that is common practice in some locations, maybe the Solomon Islands marathon swims? That isn't the normal accepted practice in marathon swimming in the U.S., South America, or Europe. If she were to do that, it wouldn't be well received by the marathon swimming community. And up till now she has been very well regarded - so I would be pretty shocked if she did that for one of her swims.

Some will certainly note that Diana Nyad used the setup you mentioned in her Cuba swim, she isn't necessarily well thought of, or in some cases believed, in the marathon swim community.


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I would like to know what grease she puts on too. That helps slide through the water besides offering protection, no?

An undetectable and imperceptible amount. Grease is for chafing and some think it helps for heat, though it almost certainly doesn't. The difference in drag between a shaven, ungreased swimmer and a shaven greased swimmer is negligible.

The grease is probably channel grease, a mixture of roughly one half lanolin and one half vaseline with some other things occasionally mixed in. Zinc oxide is a common additive for sun protection.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [happyscientist] [ In reply to ]
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At what point do you begin having issues with your skin; and what are they, after prolonged exposure to water?
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
At what point do you begin having issues with your skin; and what are they, after prolonged exposure to water?

Please don't interpret my comment to mean that I have experience in long distance swimming. I have never swam anything close to what she is doing. It is just that when I read about people who do those swims, the jellyfish seem to cause a lot of problems, and jellyfish kind of freak me out. Even if the don't sting, they are just gross.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Dr. Tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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wow.

So now we know that it isn't you. But I bet you could do it with all your swimming bad-assery. ;-p

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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At what point do you begin having issues with your skin; and what are they, after prolonged exposure to water?

I wonder the same thing. It seems like your skin would just start falling off! I spend 2 hours in the ocean and my skin gets weird. Especially the inside of my mouth. I guess she's not in salt water so maybe that helps?

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [happyscientist] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about. //

Ya jellies are one of the problems that occur in ocean swimming, especially since most people pick times and places where the water is quite warm. But the number one problem is something that most would not even think about, it is the salt. After a day plus in saltwater your tongue starts to swell and your mouth gets wonky. Part of our standard procedures in the ocean is to do a mouth rinse every hour or so. Even with that by the end the tongue is so big it gets in the way of breathing and eating. Pretty shitty to call a swim when the rest of the body is working but you cannot eat anymore!!! The other issues are of course weather seems to be more unpredictable in the ocean along with currents. And of course the creatures, but that is just a fear to overcome, not an actual thing in the majority of cases.


And kayakers are allowed to follow along to the side of the swimmers and to feed them without any holding on or touching. So besides the support boat it is the kayaker's job to keep the swimmer on course, but from the side only..
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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She was at the Portland Bridge Swim - an 11 mile "sprint" for her. She placed second overall in 4:05, 30 minutes faster than me. That's about a 1:13/100 yard pace! Current wasn't a huge factor. She's a beast!!

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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dyarab wrote:
Damn. That's nuts.

This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?

You can put glowsticks on the kayak and then swim well off to the side of it. Give the Kayak the bearing and then the swimmer just stays X feet off to the side. We did this swimming across Tahoe starting at 4 am and it worked great. Told the kayak to paddle pretty much due north and I just tracked off the side of the kayak.

Interesting to see the new wetsuit rule. I'm glad for it. As a triathlete, we try to keep our weight down and then suffer in the long cold water swims. But dedicated channel swimmers just fatten up and are essentially wearing a wetsuit anyway. I never liked being penalized for eating healthy and keeping weight down. I'm not quite sure I believe that new rule is real though until I see it in print... "no wetsuits, no matter what" is pretty entrenched in their culture.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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ZenTriBrett wrote:
dyarab wrote:
Damn. That's nuts.

This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?


You can put glowsticks on the kayak and then swim well off to the side of it. Give the Kayak the bearing and then the swimmer just stays X feet off to the side. We did this swimming across Tahoe starting at 4 am and it worked great. Told the kayak to paddle pretty much due north and I just tracked off the side of the kayak.

Interesting to see the new wetsuit rule. I'm glad for it. As a triathlete, we try to keep our weight down and then suffer in the long cold water swims. But dedicated channel swimmers just fatten up and are essentially wearing a wetsuit anyway. I never liked being penalized for eating healthy and keeping weight down. I'm not quite sure I believe that new rule is real though until I see it in print... "no wetsuits, no matter what" is pretty entrenched in their culture.

Thanks.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [HalfSpeed] [ In reply to ]
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She was at the Portland Bridge Swim - an 11 mile "sprint" for her. She placed second overall in 4:05, 30 minutes faster than me. That's about a 1:13/100 yard pace!

Wow. Unreal.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I remember seeing pictures of Diana Nyad's mouth after the Cuba swim. It looked so painful. There have also been some horrific tales of what happens to sailor's skin after a couple days of waiting for rescue after a ship sinks. I haven't heard much about the long term effects of fresh water, but even that has to get bad.
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ZenTriBrett wrote:
dyarab wrote:
Damn. That's nuts.
This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?

You can put glowsticks on the kayak and then swim well off to the side of it. Give the Kayak the bearing and then the swimmer just stays X feet off to the side. We did this swimming across Tahoe starting at 4 am and it worked great. Told the kayak to paddle pretty much due north and I just tracked off the side of the kayak.
Interesting to see the new wetsuit rule. I'm glad for it. As a triathlete, we try to keep our weight down and then suffer in the long cold water swims. But dedicated channel swimmers just fatten up and are essentially wearing a wetsuit anyway. I never liked being penalized for eating healthy and keeping weight down. I'm not quite sure I believe that new rule is real though until I see it in print... "no wetsuits, no matter what" is pretty entrenched in their culture.

Totally agree that OW purists will never accept FINA's new ruling but here is their memo on wetsuits from 11 Jan 2017. I've put the most relevant parts in bold text for faster reading. FINA only allows wetsuits at temps below 20*C (68*F), which is still pretty cold IMO.

CORNEL MARCULESCU
FINA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FINA - Avenue de l’Avant-Poste 4
1005 Lausanne, SWITZERLAND
Phone:
Fax:
Email:
+41 21 310 47 10
+41 21 312 66 10
sportsdep@fina.org
MEMORANDUM
TO: All FINA Member Federations
FROM: FINA Office – Lausanne
DATE: 11th January 2017
RE: Wetsuits for Open Water Swimming

FINA BL 8.4 & BL 8.5
Dear Sirs,
Reference is made to the latest edition of the FINA rule BL 8, in
particular the rules applicable to the use of wetsuits at FINA Open
Water Swimming Competitions. Please find below the text of related
clauses BL 8.4 and BL 8.5 as approved by the FINA Bureau on August
5th, 2016:
BL 8.4 For open water swimming competitions, with water temperature from 20 C,
swimsuits for both men and women shall not cover the neck, nor extend past the
shoulder, nor extend below the ankle. Subject to these specific shape
specifications, swimsuits for open water swimming competitions shall further
comply with all other requirements applicable to swimsuits for pool swimming
competition.
BL 8.5 From the 1st of January 2017, for open water swimming competitions in
water with temperature below 20 C, men and women may use either swimsuits (BL 8.4) or wetsuits. When the water temperature is below 18 C, the use of wetsuits is compulsory. For the purpose of these rules, wetsuits are swimsuits made of material providing thermal insulation. Wetsuits for both men and women shall completely cover torso, back, shoulders and knees. They shall not extend beyond the neck, wrists and ankles.

To comply with the FINA rule GR 5.4, at the end of 2016 the Swimwear
Approval Committee (SAC) had an additional submission for swimwear
approval, organised specially for the homologation of wetsuits to be
included in the FINA list of Approved swimwear 2017. During the
submission, only a few models of wetsuits were duly approved, and
CORNEL MARCULESCU
FINA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
FINA - Avenue de l’Avant-Poste 4
1005 Lausanne, SWITZERLAND
Phone:
Fax:
Email:
+41 21 310 47 10
+41 21 312 66 10
sportsdep@fina.org
unfortunately, this number does not provide adequate opportunity of
choice for the athletes and teams.
According to our observations, the market of wetsuits exists and there
are quite many variations of wetsuits produced and commercially
released worldwide. However in order to have a sufficient list of duly
approved products additional time is required.
Therefore during 2017, control of wetsuits at the Open Water
Swimming competition will be done directly by the Technical Officials
prior to the competition.
The wetsuits should meet minimum requirements for coverage - wetsuit
must completely cover torso, back, shoulders and knees, and shall not
extend beyond the neck, wrists and ankles. In addition, the outer
surface of the used wetsuits shall not include outstanding shapes, such
as ridges, fins etc.
Details on exact procedure for control and confirmation of wetsuits at
the FINA competition will be available from the official FINA Technical
Delegate prior to the competition.
During the year, the SAC will carry out several official submissions, and
consider that by the end of 2017 there will be a list of duly approved
wetsuits with sufficient number of garments produced by a good variety
of swimwear manufacturers.
From the 1st of January 2018, control of the wetsuits at the Open Water
swimming competitions will be done by verification of respective “FINA
Approved logo†to be printed on a garment as confirmation of approval.
We remain at your disposal should you have any questions on this
matter.
Yours sincerely,
Cornel Marculescu
Executive Director


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Huh... cool. Yup. And then on the other hand, "English Channel Rules" literally means "No wetsuits." That gang of channel swimmers is nuts and probably doesn't care about FINA whatsoever. lol. Gotta respect the hard core attitude if nothing else.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
ZenTriBrett wrote:
dyarab wrote:
Damn. That's nuts.
This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?

You can put glowsticks on the kayak and then swim well off to the side of it. Give the Kayak the bearing and then the swimmer just stays X feet off to the side. We did this swimming across Tahoe starting at 4 am and it worked great. Told the kayak to paddle pretty much due north and I just tracked off the side of the kayak.
Interesting to see the new wetsuit rule. I'm glad for it. As a triathlete, we try to keep our weight down and then suffer in the long cold water swims. But dedicated channel swimmers just fatten up and are essentially wearing a wetsuit anyway. I never liked being penalized for eating healthy and keeping weight down. I'm not quite sure I believe that new rule is real though until I see it in print... "no wetsuits, no matter what" is pretty entrenched in their culture.


Totally agree that OW purists will never accept FINA's new ruling but here is their memo on wetsuits from 11 Jan 2017. I've put the most relevant parts in bold text for faster reading. FINA only allows wetsuits at temps below 20*C (68*F), which is still pretty cold IMO.

Ok. I have a more stupider question. When do you have to follow FINA? I get it if you are trying to qualify for the OWS olympic event, but for somebody like this gal swimming 100 miles, does FINA apply? I guess no more naked ice swimming for you northerners.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Water temps are 70+ up here at the moment (Lake Champlain that is). We had a couple of cool nights, though, so it could be borderline.

I saw her swim by our beach yesterday. Well, I saw her entourage since she was well off the beach and I was using crappy binoculars. There was a 35+ foot sailboat off to the side and a sea kayak behind/to the other side of her from what I could gather. I was amazed at how fast they were moving.

She lucked out immensely with the weather in my opinion. I'm a sailor (duh) and rarely see the lake this calm for this long. Even though we've had some showers/storms, the wind has been notably absent for well over 24 hours. It's also been overcast quite a bit which I think may be helpful from a sunburn-risk perspective. She's about 60 miles in at the moment...totally insane.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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Huh... cool. Yup. And then on the other hand, "English Channel Rules" literally means "No wetsuits." That gang of channel swimmers is nuts and probably doesn't care about FINA whatsoever. lol. Gotta respect the hard core attitude if nothing else.

Ya, this new rule is definitely causing a split between the strict Channel Rules swimmers and the competitive side where U.S. Swimming and Masters Swimming-sanctioned events will allow wetties below 68* F. I respect their viewpoint but I'm not going to purposefully gain 40 lb just so i can be comfy in 60* water.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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SLOgoing wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
ZenTriBrett wrote:
dyarab wrote:
Damn. That's nuts.
This may be a stupid question, and the answer is probably obvious... but how does she sight at night? A lead vessel?

You can put glowsticks on the kayak and then swim well off to the side of it. Give the Kayak the bearing and then the swimmer just stays X feet off to the side. We did this swimming across Tahoe starting at 4 am and it worked great. Told the kayak to paddle pretty much due north and I just tracked off the side of the kayak.
Interesting to see the new wetsuit rule. I'm glad for it. As a triathlete, we try to keep our weight down and then suffer in the long cold water swims. But dedicated channel swimmers just fatten up and are essentially wearing a wetsuit anyway. I never liked being penalized for eating healthy and keeping weight down. I'm not quite sure I believe that new rule is real though until I see it in print... "no wetsuits, no matter what" is pretty entrenched in their culture.


Totally agree that OW purists will never accept FINA's new ruling but here is their memo on wetsuits from 11 Jan 2017. I've put the most relevant parts in bold text for faster reading. FINA only allows wetsuits at temps below 20*C (68*F), which is still pretty cold IMO.


Ok. I have a more stupider question. When do you have to follow FINA? I get it if you are trying to qualify for the OWS olympic event, but for somebody like this gal swimming 100 miles, does FINA apply? I guess no more naked ice swimming for you northerners.

I believe the FINA rules only apply to U.S. Swimming and Masters Swimming-sanctioned events, plus of course international OWS events sanctioned by FINA. The FINA rules certainly would not apply to this 104 mile swim, even if the water were below 68* F. As I said in my reply to zentribrett, i think the new rules are causing a big rift between the OW traditionalists and the FINA level competitive side of OWS.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SailorSam] [ In reply to ]
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Water temps are 70+ up here at the moment (Lake Champlain that is). We had a couple of cool nights, though, so it could be borderline.
I saw her swim by our beach yesterday. Well, I saw her entourage since she was well off the beach and I was using crappy binoculars. There was a 35+ foot sailboat off to the side and a sea kayak behind/to the other side of her from what I could gather. I was amazed at how fast they were moving.
She lucked out immensely with the weather in my opinion. I'm a sailor (duh) and rarely see the lake this calm for this long. Even though we've had some showers/storms, the wind has been notably absent for well over 24 hours. It's also been overcast quite a bit which I think may be helpful from a sunburn-risk perspective. She's about 60 miles in at the moment...totally insane.

Very interesting, thanks for your on-the-water perspective. I would assume she has had weather experts advising her on when to give this swim a try. When swimming, I would think she's prob going around 2-2.5 mph. She's an incredibly talented distance swimmer to be able to keep this kind of pace up for 50-60 hours or more.


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Sarah's now past mile 80 on the tracker. Been averaging 1.7 mph since I first started watching this at mile 50 yesterday.

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Trying to follow along with the tracker. It worked fine for me yesterday but the page won't load this morning. Are any of you others able to open it? If so, where is she on the tracker today? Rooting for her despite not being able to follow along!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Rdracer99] [ In reply to ]
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Tracker won't load for me, either. Hope she's still plugging away at it!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder what it would be like to swim in a wetsuit for 24 hours? chaphing issues?

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looks to be around mile 83 if the tracker is working right.

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wow! thanks for the update!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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Knowing how functional I am as I exceed 36 hrs awake, it boggles my mind that she will be going non-stop for ~63hrs with no sleep.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Traket92x] [ In reply to ]
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Knowing how functional I am as I exceed 36 hrs awake, it boggles my mind that she will be going non-stop for ~63hrs with no sleep.

She's at 54.5 hr and 90.6 miles right now. I would guess she's going on pure adrenaline and drive at this point. This girl has the HUNGER and the DRIVE in spades.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. Has she broken the record already? Wasn't the recognized record somewhere around 80 miles?

This is incredible.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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She's at 95 miles and still swimming!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Dilbert] [ In reply to ]
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Jebuz. So, she should finish around 1:30 AM ET? That would mean 65 hours of nonstop swimming. That is ~2 days and 17 hours. WOW.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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Sure hope she makes it. Those tracker dots seems to be getting closer and closer together.
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SLOgoing wrote:
Wow. Has she broken the record already? Wasn't the recognized record somewhere around 80 miles? This is incredible.

Ya, she has already broken her own WR which was the 80-mi swim she did in Oct 2016 swimming across Lake Powell in Utah. This swim is the current WR acc to an article in the Mar/April 2017 issue of Swimmer, the official magazine of USMS.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
I wonder what it would be like to swim in a wetsuit for 24 hours? chafing issues?

You'd have to put a LOT of Vaseline on to avoid chafing in a 24-hr wettie swim.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Ya, she has already broken her own WR which was the 80-mi swim she did in Oct 2016 swimming across Lake Powell in Utah. This swim is the current WR acc to an article in the Mar/April 2017 issue of Swimmer, the official magazine of USMS. //

I don't think it is true that she has broken the WR. As I recall you have to complete your swim, as in finish up the beach, it is not a gps distance out in the middle of the ocean or lake. Swims don't count unless they are finished, you do not get credit(officially) for any distance you did before a DNF..


Unless things have changed, that is how I believe it works.



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Ya, she has already broken her own WR which was the 80-mi swim she did in Oct 2016 swimming across Lake Powell in Utah. This swim is the current WR acc to an article in the Mar/April 2017 issue of Swimmer, the official magazine of USMS. //

I don't think it is true that she has broken the WR. As I recall you have to complete your swim, as in finish up the beach, it is not a gps distance out in the middle of the ocean or lake. Swims don't count unless they are finished, you do not get credit(officially) for any distance you did before a DNF..
Unless things have changed, that is how I believe it works.

OK, I stand corrected then.


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I don't think it is true that she has broken the WR. As I recall you have to complete your swim, as in finish up the beach, it is not a gps distance out in the middle of the ocean or lake. Swims don't count unless they are finished, you do not get credit(officially) for any distance you did before a DNF..

This is half true, half false.

True that GPS distances don't count, and true that a DNF cannot be a record.

However, since Sarah has already swum more than 80 miles (the previous record, also owned by her), and because of the shape of Lake Champlain, she could choose to turn in toward land at any time, exit the water, and finish the swim. This would not be a DNF, but rather, a route change. Therefore, if she turned in now, exited the water at a specific, definable point, it would be a new distance record, even if she didn't make it all the way back to the start.
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She's near a peninsula right at the 100 mile mark. I wonder if she'll do that. Exit there for a 100 mile swim, or continue back to the dock she started from for the planned 104 miles.
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No way. She is so close. She'll finish.

I am just so glad she is finishing outside of work hours. This is a total distraction.

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What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.
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What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.

Acc to the tracker, she swam 169.6 km (105.4 mi) in 67:15, or about 2.52 km/hr (1.57mph). Her total time includes time for refueling every 30 min or so. In her Oct 2016 swim where she set the previous WR, she went 81.8 mi in 56:05 (1.46 mph) but I believe she had more problems with a head wind in that swim. Acc to the USMS article I mentioned earlier, she almost gave up at 30 hr b/c she had only gone about 40 mi, and hence had more than 40 to go. Also, here's the link to the ST thread on that swim from last October; Sarah herself (Ssthomas) actually chimed in several times.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...im_P6098843/?page=-1


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Saw that she made it, what a grinder she is. She is single handily pushing the limits of ultra swimming. It would be interesting to see what she could accomplish in the ocean sometime.

And yes, she could have headed to shore anywhere after the 80 miles and still got the record. My point was that you have to have a start and a finish, but the finish can be mobile once the swim is underway. Lots of swims do not finish where they planed to, currents can be bastards sometimes.. That is why ocean swim crossings are so tricky, you usually don't have the luxury of just heading to shore. You are out in the open ocean and reaching land anywhere is usually not much easier than the finish you planned. We have opted several times to run with currents and swim longer courses(but faster) and just plan a finish wherever we ended up..
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"quote abouheif"

I see what you did there.
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Mike Alexander wrote:
What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.


Acc to the tracker, she swam 169.6 km (105.4 mi) in 67:15, or about 2.52 km/hr (1.57mph). Her total time includes time for refueling every 30 min or so. In her Oct 2016 swim where she set the previous WR, she went 81.8 mi in 56:05 (1.46 mph) but I believe she had more problems with a head wind in that swim. Acc to the USMS article I mentioned earlier, she almost gave up at 30 hr b/c she had only gone about 40 mi, and hence had more than 40 to go. Also, here's the link to the ST thread on that swim from last October; Sarah herself (Ssthomas) actually chimed in several times.http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...im_P6098843/?page=-1[/quote[/url]]

Crazy. That's 2:10/100yd for 106 miles.
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ericmulk wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.


Acc to the tracker, she swam 169.6 km (105.4 mi) in 67:15, or about 2.52 km/hr (1.57mph). Her total time includes time for refueling every 30 min or so. In her Oct 2016 swim where she set the previous WR, she went 81.8 mi in 56:05 (1.46 mph) but I believe she had more problems with a head wind in that swim. Acc to the USMS article I mentioned earlier, she almost gave up at 30 hr b/c she had only gone about 40 mi, and hence had more than 40 to go. Also, here's the link to the ST thread on that swim from last October; Sarah herself (Ssthomas) actually chimed in several times.http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...im_P6098843/?page=-1[/quote[/url]]

Crazy. That's 2:10/100yd for 106 miles.

And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


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And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


The screenshot of her tracker below shows she slowed down over time. I watched the live stream of her climbing out of the water at the end. I was impressed that she was so functional. I would have been impressed if she flopped onto shore, but no, she just walked on out like it was no problem and went and sat down and rested.



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ericmulk wrote:
And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


The screenshot of her tracker below shows she slowed down over time. I watched the live stream of her climbing out of the water at the end. I was impressed that she was so functional. I would have been impressed if she flopped onto shore, but no, she just walked on out like it was no problem and went and sat down and rested.


It is hard to make out the numbers on the y axis but I'm guessing the lowest number is 0.0, then 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0??? Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3. Don't know, maybe she stopped a few times getting her cap, goggles, and/or suit positioned just right. Would be very interesting to hear her take on all this but I guess she's prob still sleeping right now.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [damn lucky] [ In reply to ]
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Hi! We don't allow "streamers" like what you're describing with the fishing line. It would have been nice, for sure, but it falls outside of the standard open water swimming rules to follow something attached to the boat that can guide you. Typically, there is a kayaker next to me and I let him lead by sighting off of him. Though, on my second night, we faced a 20 knot tailwind and it wasn't safe for the kayak to stay next to me, so the pontoon boat went ahead about 50 meters and I sighted off of the boat lights all night.

Also, the white desitin only acts as sunblock. There's no other benefit to it. I use lanolin to prevent chaffing.
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Yes, I sight off of a kayak or boat most of the time.
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The speed variations were mostly due to wind. And me getting really tired over time and slowly slowing down. We started in calm weather conditions, got a slight push during the first day, and then had a headwind most of the first night. Day 2 started with a great tailwind, but I completed my loop around 2:30 pm and had to turn back into it. We had a pretty solid headwind then from about 2:30 until 9 pm, when it started to calm. Around 11 pm we picked up a slight tailwind, which grew to a 20 knot tailwind from about 3 am to 5 am. I was flying down the lake! It slowed a little with daylight, but I did have a tailwind wind until about 2:30 pm on the third day. Then, it flipped on me again. It wasn't horrible, but I was pretty tired at that poit and a headwind takes a lot out of you. Luckily, it calmed as darkness came and the final several hours of swimming it was smooth as glass. Too bad I was too tired to take advantage of the conditions!

All in all, we got super lucky on the weather. We had some rain, but no storms and the wind was manageable.

I saw someone else say that I probably had a team advising me when to swim. I wish! We only had the boat rentals from Monday-Thursday, so it was swim then or not at all. I don't have sponsors or any other financial support other than my own wallet- so we don't have the advantage of waiting for perfection. So, I know I was dang lucky on the weather this time!

Also, for what it's worth, I did my best time for a 50 mile swim and was about 6 hours faster at 80 miles than I was on Lake Powell.
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Amazing swim. Very gutsy effort.
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There are pros and cons to fresh water vs ocean... I live in Colorado, so it makes sense from me to do these long swims in lakes because that's what I have to train in. I have several ocean swimmer friends who would never try this in a lake because they perceive lakes to be a more challenging environment.
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This is half true, half false.

True that GPS distances don't count, and true that a DNF cannot be a record.

However, since Sarah has already swum more than 80 miles (the previous record, also owned by her), and because of the shape of Lake Champlain, she could choose to turn in toward land at any time, exit the water, and finish the swim. This would not be a DNF, but rather, a route change. Therefore, if she turned in now, exited the water at a specific, definable point, it would be a new distance record, even if she didn't make it all the way back to the start.[/quote]
This is 100% correct. We had a few landing spots selected, just in case. But, once I hit 80 miles and was fine, there was no way I was giving up the last 24! :-)
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Yes, I sight off of a kayak or boat most of the time.

Thanks... and congratulations! Amazing achievement.
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.[/quote]
No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.
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Thanks for finding me and following along! :-)
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Thanks for finding me and following along! :-)

Wow! Now I'm famous because you commented to me!

I got wind of it through my OWS group when you first launched. Gotta admit, we were kinda obsessed with your progress for a few days. I watched the live stream of your exit too. Most awesome!

I swim in the ocean and our local lakes are tiny. Those critters that latch on sound terrifying.

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This is just such an amazingly cool feat and I think it really resonates with me because it is so relatable. Usually, when you see someone do something that seems super-human, like run a 2:03 marathon or free climb some insane cliff or mountain bike across wild terrain, it's neat but just in a purely observatory way. I couldn't even approach any of those things. I can't hold 2:03 marathon pace for anything more than a short sprint and can't even contemplate many of the other extreme things we see on YouTube. However, even though I am a really crappy swimmer, I can swim 2:00 100s and know how that feels. In fact, I can do a whole workout of them or hold that pace or near it in an OWS race. So that makes it so much more real (and seemingly impossible) to contemplate holding that pace for 66 hours straight. Just absolutely amazing. To do it in cool water with just a bathing suit just adds to the wonder.
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The speed variations were mostly due to wind. And me getting really tired over time and slowly slowing down. We started in calm weather conditions, got a slight push during the first day, and then had a headwind most of the first night. Day 2 started with a great tailwind, but I completed my loop around 2:30 pm and had to turn back into it. We had a pretty solid headwind then from about 2:30 until 9 pm, when it started to calm. Around 11 pm we picked up a slight tailwind, which grew to a 20 knot tailwind from about 3 am to 5 am. I was flying down the lake! It slowed a little with daylight, but I did have a tailwind wind until about 2:30 pm on the third day. Then, it flipped on me again. It wasn't horrible, but I was pretty tired at that poit and a headwind takes a lot out of you. Luckily, it calmed as darkness came and the final several hours of swimming it was smooth as glass. Too bad I was too tired to take advantage of the conditions!
All in all, we got super lucky on the weather. We had some rain, but no storms and the wind was manageable.
I saw someone else say that I probably had a team advising me when to swim. I wish! We only had the boat rentals from Monday-Thursday, so it was swim then or not at all. I don't have sponsors or any other financial support other than my own wallet- so we don't have the advantage of waiting for perfection. So, I know I was dang lucky on the weather this time!
Also, for what it's worth, I did my best time for a 50 mile swim and was about 6 hours faster at 80 miles than I was on Lake Powell.


Wind...wow, i did not even realize that the wind could slow you down that much in the water. I've swum against/with the current in the ocean many times but no experience swimming against/with the wind. I have ridden a bike against/with the the wind but did not realize the wind had such a big impact in the water.

So, just out of sheer curiosity, if you had been doing this swim in a 25-yd pool, what pace would you have started at vs finished at??? I know 104 miles in most pools would be too hot but let's just imagine a pool with a nice constant 70 degrees. I am especially curious about the starting pace b/c from my own experience I know that each day i start at a given warm-up pace that seems natural on that day, and it is pretty hard to swim slower than that pace; thus it would seem that it would be hard to start out at a really slow pace, but rather you just inevitably wear out over the course of many miles and slow down. Is that your experience in these super long swims???

In any case, that was a phenomenal swim you did!!! I've done the 10K in the pool a few times but 104 miles is 17 times that, which is pretty inconceivable to me!!!

ETA: Also, how many hours did you sleep afterwards, maybe 24 hr straight??? Did you fall asleep while riding in the car to your house or hotel???


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Congrats on an astounding accomplishment!
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.

No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.[/quote]That sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

Congratulations on an astounding accomplishment!
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Spectacular accomplishment! Congrats!

Re: lampreys...I've been swimming in the lake for ...quite some time... and have never heard of one attaching to a human. Not even urban (or rural?) myths about it around here. Google says they don't like warm blooded animals so maybe that could be it. Leeches on the other hand...those I've gotten plenty of when hanging out in shallow water with a mucky bottom. They wouldn't attach to a lightning fast swimmer such as yourself, though!

The chop here is real. Depending on the wind direction it's short and steep, not at all like the ocean swell. I've sailed in 6+ foot waves here too but that was with gusts in the 40 knot range. Fortunately you didn't get any of that weather.

Once again, congrats on the feat!
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.


No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.[/quote]
What about Champy? You can't forget about Champy! :) (Imaginary Loch Ness-esque monster of Lake Champlain)

I saw that you finished up in my hometown (shout out to Rouses Point!). Well done!
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I actually have several friends who have had lampreys attach to them! We did do some research and learned that it is rare and that the lamprey population is down, but it is totally possible to have one attach. Twist and pull, according to a friend! Here she is with one she pulled off.

And we had a few hours of a tailwind that was so strong that we did have 4-5ft waves. We were really lucky it was coming from behind or else we would have had a few swamped boats. It only lasted about 2 hours and then calmed back down. It was fun for me, scary for my team. But, overall, we totally lucked out on weather. Not sure it could have been any better.

Such a beautiful lake!


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What kind of food are you consuming during the swim?
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I actually have several friends who have had lampreys attach to them! We did do some research and learned that it is rare and that the lamprey population is down, but it is totally possible to have one attach. Twist and pull, according to a friend! Here she is with one she pulled off.


Good to know; useful things I learn from Slowtwitch ;-)

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Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3.
It's not super-consistent like a river, but there are surface currents in Champlain, generally south to north. It comes from the prevailing S-N wind, and also because the primary outflow (Richelieu River) is at the far northern end. (Source: I paddled on Champlain for most of the 90s when I lived in Burlington).

Possibly this is one reason for the loop course.
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abouheif wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3.
It's not super-consistent like a river, but there are surface currents in Champlain, generally south to north. It comes from the prevailing S-N wind, and also because the primary outflow (Richelieu River) is at the far northern end. (Source: I paddled on Champlain for most of the 90s when I lived in Burlington).

Possibly this is one reason for the loop course.


It was the biggest reason for the loop course! I wanted to swim from Whitehall to Rouses Point, since that was the full length of the lake and the direction of the wind. But, as we did our research, we saw the info about the surface currents. Since I didn't want this swim to be bumped into a current assisted category (like Diana Nyad's Cuba swim or any swim down a river), we figured that a loop course would negate any advantage from current, and I'd just have to fight the wind. It is why we started in the north, swam south and then back up- we were hoping the back half would be a little easier (it wasn't necessarily easier in the end- it did take 7 hours longer to swim back than out...).
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CarboPro, with some random solids mixed in here and there. I take about 250 calories/hour, plus electrolytes and a little bit of protein.
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CarboPro, with some random solids mixed in here and there. I take about 250 calories/hour, plus electrolytes and a little bit of protein.

You would think Carbopro would sponsor you

Let food be thy medicine...
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Hello Ssthomas and All,

Amazing!! Congratulations!

Do you have a number for how much weight you lost ...... and about how much fluid you consumed each hour?

Anything you would do differently .... in hindsight?

Oh ...... and were you monitored for heart rate or other physical data?

What's next?

Cheers, Neal

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https://vimeo.com/229320346

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Thanks for posting. It's impressive to say the least. She looked wrecked at the end trying to get her "sea legs" again

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This is just such an amazingly cool feat and I think it really resonates with me because it is so relatable. Usually, when you see someone do something that seems super-human, like run a 2:03 marathon or free climb some insane cliff or mountain bike across wild terrain, it's neat but just in a purely observatory way. I couldn't even approach any of those things. I can't hold 2:03 marathon pace for anything more than a short sprint and can't even contemplate many of the other extreme things we see on YouTube. However, even though I am a really crappy swimmer, I can swim 2:00 100s and know how that feels. In fact, I can do a whole workout of them or hold that pace or near it in an OWS race. So that makes it so much more real (and seemingly impossible) to contemplate holding that pace for 66 hours straight. Just absolutely amazing. To do it in cool water with just a bathing suit just adds to the wonder.

Comparing Sarah's 67 hour, 104 mile swim to a 2 hr, 26-mi marathon is not an accurate analogy. Her swim is more comparable to Yiannis Kouros's WR for the 500 Km (310.68 mi) run, which is 60:23 or 11:40 per mile.


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schroeder wrote:
https://vimeo.com/229320346

video from swim

Here's a link to my write up.

http://marathonswimmers.org/...25793/#Comment_25793
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Ssthomas wrote:
schroeder wrote:
https://vimeo.com/229320346

video from swim


Here's a link to my write up.

http://marathonswimmers.org/...25793/#Comment_25793

Great write-up, thanks for the link!!! I am surprised you had the energy to take those side trips after the swim; I think I would have just been sleeping and eating for at least 48 hr after swimming 67 hr!!!


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