I have no problem with this at all. These little twits need to learn posting stupid shit on social media has consequences. Better this than missing out on or losing a job for posting some stupid shit they did.

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In all seriousness. Just two days ago I posted a picture of my son flipping the bird at me (he was showing me a cut on his finger) on IG.

He and I should probably have our lives destroyed for that. Seems reasonable.

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Yes and that is exactly what happened to these little bundles of joy - their lives were destroyed ...

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They just keepin' it real, yo.

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They learned a valuable lesson.

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You mean like this?

http://www.cnn.com/...ard-memes/index.html

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Agreed. Make your mistakes and learn from them in these relatively low stakes environments rather than finding out you can't do whatever you want with no consequences by losing an actual job or worse, later in life.

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Ridiculous overreaction. You guys are pussies.

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I posted the article with no commentary of my own. I will admit I have mixed emotions about it. On one hand, it was relatively harmless - classless, but harmless. The league probably could have taken another action, but this one isn't too far off base (see what I did there?)

On the other hand, the girls learned a valuable but also harmless lesson that could serve them well for the rest of their life.

In Canada they would have been deported. With your draconian xenophobic immigration policy, they could never return.

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Damn straight.

I agree with you and don't disagree with slowguy. Life lesson for the little shits.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

If you guys were the decision maker, would you have DQ'd them for this? I wouldn't have. Sure, give them a scare by spending a few days "considering" their expulsion, but in the end I'd have let them compete. They're kids. Kids do dumb things. No one got hurt by the foolishness.

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Maybe we take a big step back and ask ourselves, does the punishment fit the crime?

What exactly is the offense? Does it violate a previously agreed up on code of conduct? Is there some rule broken that merits the DQ?

They basically were saying "Fuck you," correct? And they're young teens? I know this is the 21st century, and the debasement of our culture is going full-throttle, but where do we draw the line,especially when it comes to minor children? Should we as adults -- as imperfect a vessel as we surely are, collectively speaking -- be teaching them them manners/deportment, respect for others, and so forth, both as individual grown-ups and as a community of adults? If so, then these kids were handled appropriately.

I know that it's hard for kids that age to accept -- especially given most of them are being raised in an extreme self-esteem-growing climate, many with parents who'll argue with teachers over a grade that's anything less than an 'A' -- but it's like Mr. Slowguy says: better they learn now, at their age and when the lesson will be relatively painless (though acutely hurtful in the present) over time than they find out some seriously hard facts of life (as all of us of a certain age have no doubt discovered for ourselves), such as this one:

ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Now get off my lawn, you young whippersnapper! ;-)

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Nope. But I also don't have a problem with them being DQd.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Not sure if I would have DQd the team or not. I don't have lol the facts as regards the rules of the league or tournament, what kind of personal conduct rules exist, etc. I don't know if this picture is the full team or not. Maybe disqualify just the players in the photo and not the entire team?

If you want to penalize this action, what are the options? Doesn't seem like there are many. I'm not sure it makes sense to penalize them X number of runs or anything like that.

If you don't DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.

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I don't know, with everything that is out there these days, who cares. My bet it was men that made the dq.

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 "the Little League® International Tournament Committee has removed the Southeast Region from the 2017 Junior League Softball World Series for violation of Little League’s policies regarding unsportsmanlike conduct, inappropriate use of social media, and the high standard that Little League International holds for all its participants."
And

"Coach Chris Mardigian added that the photo was in response to the treatment Atlee players received from members of the Kirkland American team during their visit. Kirkland serves as the host city for the tournament."

The punishment is harsh but I don't think it's completely out of line. 12-14 year old kids shouldn't be doing stuff like this regardless of what age we live in. Unfortunately I think or hope they learned a valuable lesson.

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Well, if you don't hold them to a standard, then you're telling them no one cares. The way to ensure that people car his to maintain the standard.

Is it really ok with you for 12 year old girls to be telling another softball team of 12 year old girls to fuck off?

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They got it from somebody! Now who could that be.?..mom , dad? If they were boys would it be okay , right of passage , Oh thats my boy!

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Talk about being punished.

"The team Atlee beat in the semifinals, Kirkland American, will replace Atlee in the championship game"


https://www.si.com/more-sports/2017/08/05/atlee-softball-junior-league-world-series-dq

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I don't think it would be any better if it was a team of 12 year old boys, no.

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It might have been wiser to suspend/expel the players in the picture. Seems a bit excessive to expel the entire team for the actions of a few bad apples.

Not sure the roster size of girls softball. Maybe they thought of expelling only the girls in the picture and that left the team with insufficient players do they just expelled the entire team.

this definitely adds to the strength of the case, for me. this wasn't just some players doing a bit of badassery during downtime - they were specifically directing this at another team, and were violating tournament rules.

it's just a baseball game. maybe they'll learn some bigger lessons about life.

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I would bet it has something to do with them being in uniform and within the field of play (dug out is included).

What would have happened if this was somewhere else, say a Chuck e Cheese, a Panera or at their hotel?

If they suspended the six girls in that picture, there would probably only be six girls left on the team.

It might have been wiser to suspend/expel the players in the picture. Seems a bit excessive to expel the entire team for the actions of a few bad apples.

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This goes against the concept of 'team' in my opinion. You're wearing the uniform and your actions affect the whole. If the girls were doing this off site, EX: at home, and not in uniform, I'd agree with you. However, they did this in the dug out while representing. You win as a team and lose as one, too. The other girls not in the picture will, hopefully, set them straight.

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Probably white men. Might as well attempt double "ism" score. Sigh.

Guy has a role in creating bad outcome for woman. Go to explanation: Sexism.

A white person has a role creating bad outcome re. a black person. Go to explanation: Racism.

Newsflash. Men are mostly pretty agreeable folks. Maybe we could give them the benefit of the doubt, eh?

The assumption if "ism" makes me want to puke.

Re. the little league rules said don't post stupid pics of team flipping the bird on social media.

I'm sure the little girls all read the "little league social media rules" really carefully . Then a rep of the world little league federation gave them a brief that clearly defined "inappropriate" in the context of social media.

I bet no one at any level in the org had a clue what the heck the rules said about this. That someone got their panties in a wad over the pic, and that's when they pulled the rule book out to see what it said.

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Statement from the President of Atlee Little League.


Jamie Batten, the president of Atlee Little League, released a statement late Saturday night about the softball team's disqualification due to an inappropriate Snapchat post.
"We are deeply disappointed this social media post did not reflect the core values of Little League International or Atlee Little League," he wrote. "We expect Little League International will take the time to fully investigate the matter, and we will comply with this investigation by providing all information about unpleasant interactions including the social media post and the time leading up to that event - not all of which were on the part of those on the Atlee softball team.
"We desire to protect all youth who are recipients of inappropriate behavior both on and off the field, as we take very seriously our charge to impart the value of good sportsmanship."
Batten said those involved in the post are requesting privacy at this time.
He continued: "These young athletes are part of Atlee Little League. As all young athletes are trained to do, they will brush themselves off after a loss, and try again - after having learned a most valuable lesson."

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Looks like there are 12 team members. 6 were in the picture. 1 took the picture. That makes 7 of 12 active participants. So, yeah, if they suspended only the active participants, there would be no members to field a team.

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Well, let's set aside the fact that ignorance of the rules is not a defense. Do you think it's not pretty reasonable to suspect, in a children's sport league, that there might be rules against conduct that might reflect poorly on the league, or rules against blatantly poor sportsmanship, or...in this day and age, pertaining to use of social media when it could reflect on the league? I mean, these all seem like pretty predictable things to be covered by the rule book of a little league organization.

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Well said.

Participation in organizations like Little League is a privilege, not a right. Being able to compete for a national championship is a privilege, not a right. All that happened to these little bundles of joy was that a privilege was taken away when they blatantly abused the privilege. Youth sports are supposed to teach sportsmanship and teamwork. They are also supposed to teach kids how to win and how to lose, which will happen over and over and over in life. Disqualifying this team furthered several core purposes of this youth sport.

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Sure, I would be able to guess that there might be rules re. embarrassing pics in social media. But, I'm pretty sure that I learned that "after" I was 12. When I was their age, according to my father "I couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were under the heel."

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Kids are more savvy about social media these days. However, when I was 12, I would have known that I and my teammates might have gotten in trouble if we all huddled together to give another team the finger, even though social media wasn't even a thing then.

These girls are old enough to give another team the finger, they're old enough to know they shouldn't, and to know that posting it on social media might get them in some trouble.

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I would expect that what people do on their own time is none of anyone else's business. If a bunch of people who still watch reruns of Leave it to Beaver get triggered then so what; start living in the 21st century instead of the 1950s.

I would also like to know what the other team did that brought about this giant fuck you because it sounds like the officials did not do their jobs on the field.

Yeah, that's great, but that's not what happened here. These girls were in league uniforms at a league tournament on a league field. What they did is a reflection on the team and the league. Being on the team, in the league, and at the tournament are all privileges, not rights. Those privileges come with responsibilities. The fact that so many adults in the LR cannot see that is disturbing. It also helps explain the pathetic parenting that resulted in these little bundles of joy not understanding any of these simple concepts.

Actions have consequences. Lesson learned. (Hopefully ...)

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Totally agree w JSA on this. My daughters play volleyball - club and High School. If they did this on either the HS team or Club, they would be kicked off the team. They all sign 'conduct' agreements. They are representing their school/community/families/sport, etc. sports are all about sportsmanship and a great opportunity for them to learn many important life lessons.

These girls deserved to be booted from the tourney, at a minimum. Great life lesson, simple as that. They'll learn. Employers regularly check social media (including my company) and this single action could cost them a job opportunity. It's not about punishment, it's about understanding the effects of social media and basic conduct on their future.

When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.

It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.

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And?

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Slowxe said that he didn't know of (paraphrasing) another way to have them learn their lesson other than DQ and I gave a possible example of an alternative.

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Apples and hand grenades.

Playing in little league is a privilege, not a right. I hope these little bundles of joy learned a valuable lesson.

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I never said or even implied any different.


When I was that age the lesson I would have learned is "these people running this softball shit are fucking idiots. I quit. I'm just gonna smoke dope. Fuck this."

Hopefully these girls learn a different lesson than I would have.

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Yes, they could be told to write an essay, or do community service, or go sit in a corner....

DQ from a tournament for poor sportsmanship directly related to that tournament seems like an appropriate punishment for that tournament's organizers to hand down on participants of that tournament.

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As the coach of a girl's basketball team (elementary school level) and an assistant coach for the same school's track team, I have absolutely no issue with the expulsion. Appropriate conduct is specifically mentioned in our rules, both for "sports participation" in general and for within each sport's specific rule book. I actually make good conduct a regular part of our learning points each practice.

Are you fucking kidding me, it's the officials fault. How about it's the parents fault. I don't give a shit what happened on the field during the game. If these kids aren't smart enough to know you don't put a picture of you and your teammates flipping off the other team on social media, that's on them, their parents and coaches.

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In PA, as a high school basketball referee, we have to read the sportsmanship message before every game. They also say it prior to announcing the line-ups.

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing contestants, teams, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the contest official(s) that your contestants are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules and PIAA adoptions. Good luck in today's contest."

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I ‘m not sure they even know what F U means.

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When did everyone here learn the significance of the middle finger?

12 years old (6th graders)? That was a long time ago (1966) so I can't remember whether or not I would have known. I went to a pretty small rural school that wasn't exactly very hip. I'm sure that I knew by the time I was 14 years old in junior high, though.

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Fair enough. I just think the DQ is a bit of an overreaction. You think it's appropriate.

Have a good week.

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Thank you sg. I was kinda put off by the girls being disqualified but there was something in my brain telling me I was wrong. You expanded the reason I was wrong so that I can see it now. That was really bad sportsmanship and sportsmanship matters as much of the skill of your play. Thank you again.

I m not sure I do..is it the same as go fuck yourself? ..or you are fucked?

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I agree. I hope they learn now to stop posting stupid crap online. Recently I spoke with the head of a graduate program and he said he's had to kick people out of the program the last two years because of things they posted online that were brought to his attention.

Agree with pretty much everything you've said, except the bolded text. Even the best raised kids are guilty of getting caught up in the moment, peer pressure etc. I don't know the full story here. Is it possible that they thought it would be a private pic and one posted it?

In any case flipping the bird in a group pic surrounded by your team mates would have an insignificant correlation to so-called bad parenting.

The punishment is appropriate, more so if there are some innocent team mates, because it teaches the guilty ones that you can let down people close to you by your own stupid actions.

In hindsight, I agree with your response. For now. I would like to know how the parents respond(ed). If the parents use it as a life lesson - parenting win. If the parents dismiss it with the same gusto as some of the posters on this thread - I stand by my original statement.

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Nothing teaches the value of a team like having to cover the work load of a team with only half the players...

You would get a catcher, pitcher and could cover the bases. I'd feel terrible watching my teammates get pummeled because I got booted.

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I've said this before, you and I probably agree more than we disagree. We often just take different paths to reach the same conclusion.

And where we disagree it's really just a matter of time for you to come around.

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my daughter plays 14u softball. the girls know swearing will get you ejected from the game. this is swearing(you can pretend it is not). so if game is done and you go and start swearing at the losing team, you can't be ejected from that game as it is over, so logical conclusion is a DQ and expulsion from the tournament. sucks for the girls that did not participate in the stupidity and the parents that drove them there. i see this as perfectly valid result. cant blame other team as this is like any ump call. if they miss one, you cant take your own justice out on other team.

You two should have a 3 way with a moose to celebrate.

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Only if CC is in the middle.

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While DQ could be appropriate, I would think other actions might have been more appropriate for an activity that happened outside of the game and after they had won. Only 1/2 the team participated. Why not bench those players in the first game of the finals. This assumes there is a series like the post title implies. If they can't field a team with 6 players they forfeit the first game and then get to play in subsequent games. This seems to be more in line with penalties I have seen in youth sports. I.e. one game suspension either that year or the next for players involved. Probably reported back to their local league who may add additional game suspensions in following games or series.

That is what I am curious about as well. Unfortunately many parents these days are terrible role models and have terrible reactions to things like this. I became a cycling ref this year, had a 4-5 race where a junior racer cheated by crossing the centerline just before the finish line to get around people for the win. We are very strict about the centerline and it is no secret. He deliberately took a huge swing across the line to pass three people to get the win. Everyone saw it, called him on it and he got relegated. His bitch ass mom went fuckin nuts! She was screaming at the head official for 30 minutes after the race, he finally had to tell her to go away or face further consequences. So what does the kid do? Pisses and moans that this is bullshit, unfair, people only wanted him DQ'ed because he didn't pull enough, etc. His parents agreed and fed into his pissing and moaning. He learned zero lessons about following rules and fair play, instead he learned to be a jackass just like his parents.

His parents finally took him home... then his mom drove back to have another go at the head official! Bitch was completely cray.

Oh and to the posters thinking 12-14 year old girls don't know what flipping the bird is... sorry, they know full well, kids these days know a lot more than the Beaver Cleavers of your age.

I'm with you, but I'd be surprised to find that white men are in charge of softball. White women, sure. A mix? I think that's more likely.

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no, in softball like this, it is generally single or double elimination once into bracket play. just because they call it world series does not mean there is more than one game to decide who moves on. essentially ncaa march madness tournament with different name. softball is nothing like baseball. teams are never more than 12 players and you need 9 to start(8 to finish), well depending on which rules you are following.

it looks like it happened in the dugout before leaving the field, ie still part of game and part of field. just young biatches being biatches. there is no part of being disrespectful that is part of good sportsmanship, period.

a good coach would have sat them out of next game which would result in a forfeiture and elimination anyway

had a girl on daughters team yell at opposing team to drop a pop up from dugout. she sat out next game

White guys who had girls instead of boys and want something as close to baseball as possible.

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So howz that dude go about deploying the 'shocker'? Or dare I say the 'Spocker'?

A veritable multiplicity of options, I tell ya ~ the mind boggles...

They got off easy really. In most other countries they would have been expelled, as in never play again in that league, some places never play again. Ask Hope Solo how it works out to open your mouth in a situation like this in the pro league at the Olympic Games? She lost her job, looks like for good too for uttering much less than a fuck you.

I only hope they learned a lesson, it will all hinge on what the parents take on the situation is with each of them. My guess is that a lot of them will get a poor baby, you got jobbed, its not your fault, I will write a letter, make a call, etc.

It would not go down like that in my house, and this easy lesson would be backed up and reinforced.

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I thought you wrote "there are 3 ways to celebrate with a moose. ". I could only come up with 2, but then realized not all moose are boys.

Who knows, maybe because of thie severity of the punishment these girls won't spend a month of their lives deleting social media posts....