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AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3!
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Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Lifetime ban, please
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.

Who is Kristen Johnson?

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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http://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature/kona-round-canadians-races-ironman-world-championship/
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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newManUK wrote:
http://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature/kona-round-canadians-races-ironman-world-championship/

Thanks for that. I had done a quick search but couldn't find much. I think I need more coffee.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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agree x 1,000,000

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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I mean, WTF? Hopefully she'll be reported to the Canadian Tri authority and face a longer term consequence as well.

The one redeeming factor in this is she's apparently a Darwin award cheater, who through sheer stupidity takes herself out of the competitor pool. The clever cheaters may well be the bigger problem because they're the ones not getting caught.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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This is worse than doping and course cutting as far as I'm concerned. This is doing something directly and maliciously against a competitor. WTC should ban her from their races for a long, long time.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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newManUK wrote:
http://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature/kona-round-canadians-races-ironman-world-championship/

4th in F40-44 in Kona. Time to send the ST sleuth hounds out to ensure that the only thing she ever did was air extraction from a competitor tire at Syracuse. I wonder if there is a bonfire aside from this smoke.

I agree with lifetime ban!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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That's a pretty nasty thing to do... messing with other competitor's stuff to gain an advantage, impair them?

I'm shocked, but I guess I shouldn't be.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
[/quote]This is worse than doping and course cutting as far as I'm concerned. This is doing something directly and maliciously against a competitor. WTC should ban her from their races for a long, long time.[/quote]

agree completely except for bolded. Should be a lifetime ban.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I looked at the Kona qualification IM LP results and I see several run splits in the sub 5 per mile range and sub 6 per mile range. Perhaps sportstats splits were messed up:

https://www.sportstats.ca/...id=40261&bib=338


forget about that, the age group winner in F40-44 also had many splits in the sub 5 and sub 6 range:


https://www.sportstats.ca/...&category=F40-44

Here is the sportstats search on Kristen Johnson results. Not that many results there for a KQ type athlete. Looks like last year was a breakout kind of year backed up by a really solid 1:35 run at Syracuse yesterday:

https://www.sportstats.ca/...uery=Kristen+Johnson




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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [andrewnova] [ In reply to ]
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andrewnova wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
This is worse than doping and course cutting as far as I'm concerned. This is doing something directly and maliciously against a competitor. WTC should ban her from their races for a long, long time.


agree completely except for bolded. Should be a lifetime ban.


Long, long time is up for interpretation. :-)

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [xeon] [ In reply to ]
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That's a pretty nasty thing to do... messing with other competitor's stuff to gain an advantage, impair them?

I'm shocked, but I guess I shouldn't be.

Maybe she was watching "9.79" the documentary about Ben Johnson's doping and got some bright ideas based on what Ben claimed that Carl Lewis did to his waterbottle. Really she was watching her competition fill up their 25mm conti 4000 to 130 psi and she was trying to help her bringing it down to a lower Crr 85 psi range.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I can't believe it- its one thing to dope to better ones own performance but to sabatoage another persons race, even safety, is on a completely different level.

what if someone didn't see it happen and the competitor got on their bike then took a spill? I'd push for a criminal charge.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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This is worse than doping and course cutting as far as I'm concerned. This is doing something directly and maliciously against a competitor. WTC should ban her from their races for a long, long time.

100% agree. People with a mentality like that don't belong at races and have no place in our sport. Despicable behavior.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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But what if she let the air out of a know dopers tire? Then she is a hero right?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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This is unbelievable! What in the WORLD would be this woman's incentive? I can't fathom being that malicious - its a 70.3 in Syracuse NY for christs sake.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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I think the penalty has the be very severe for an incident like this. Because of the fact that she is taking injury of the competitor into the picture.

No matter how heavily you dope or how badly you cut the course you keep your conduct isolated to yourself. (apart from the reputational damage to the sport).

But if you get hands on with someone else equipment you are accepting the risk of its failure in the field. Which with a bike is easily a 40kph crash.

I hope the ban hammer comes down hard.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Im-a-miler] [ In reply to ]
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I can't believe it- its one thing to dope to better ones own performance but to sabatoage another persons race, even safety, is on a completely different level.

what if someone didn't see it happen and the competitor got on their bike then took a spill? I'd push for a criminal charge.

You know, the more I think of it, I would like to see some jail time. That person is a daughter, of someone, maybe a mom, a sister too. Kirsten took that woman's life into her hand with this cheap shot. Definitely criminal charge of some kind is in order. Can local police be alerted to this matter regardless of what Ironman does (any NY state law people out there) ?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Lifetime ban, please

For sure. Front page ST shaming too.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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The wife and I have done two ironmans that strange things have happened to our bikes very early on during the bike that we chalk up to someone messing with our stuff so I assume this isn't that uncommon.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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omg. should be banned for tri-race for certain period of time....

to complete 113...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Just wow! We all know this kind of stuff happens, but now someone has been actually caught. This is the same kind of behavior as hiding your competitors running shoes which some speculated happened at IMTX this year. All her past results are suspect and should be stripped in addition to a lifetime ban.
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Sounds like vandalism to me
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
Just wow! We all know this kind of stuff happens, but now someone has been actually caught. This is the same kind of behavior as hiding your competitors running shoes which some speculated happened at IMTX this year. All her past results are suspect and should be stripped in addition to a lifetime ban.

I must be in the dark. Been racing since 1985 minus the last 2 seasons, and I have never heard of this type of behaviour EVER through my entire network of tri friends. Does this shit really happen now? What happened to fair play and respecting your fellow athlete. I suspect anyone indulging in this type of behaviour did not do any sort of competitive sport during their days as teenagers.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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That's really bad, definitely worth a lifetime ban.



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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I must be in the dark. Been racing since 1985 minus the last 2 seasons, and I have never heard of this type of behaviour EVER through my entire network of tri friends. //

I know of a few incidents like this, but always has been loosening the seat post bolt so that it drops during the ride. Happened to a couple of pros, Rick Wells I think in one race. And I even had it done to me in a AG race awhile back, had an argument with a young dude that was shoving last second onto a prime rack that we lined up for hours earlier, and all of a sudden my brakes were screwed down tight against the rim when I started the bike. I wanted to kill that MF'er but couldn't find him after the race.


And yes to those that have been saying this is the worst level of cheating, not only premeditated against one person, but also can put them in danger. This is lifetime ban shit for sure...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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This is exactly why we can't trust Canadians.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [spookini] [ In reply to ]
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spookini wrote:
This is exactly why we can't trust Canadians.

Yeah, it totally sucks...Ben Johnson screwed it up for all of us Canadians:




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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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it would be interesting to know if she knows the bike owner and if there's bad blood. People can justify all sorts of crazy in the name of retribution.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Working on it

GreenPlease wrote:
Poon wrote:
Lifetime ban, please

For sure. Front page ST shaming too.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
I must be in the dark. Been racing since 1985 minus the last 2 seasons, and I have never heard of this type of behaviour EVER through my entire network of tri friends. //

I know of a few incidents like this, but always has been loosening the seat post bolt so that it drops during the ride. Happened to a couple of pros, Rick Wells I think in one race. And I even had it done to me in a AG race awhile back, had an argument with a young dude that was shoving last second onto a prime rack that we lined up for hours earlier, and all of a sudden my brakes were screwed down tight against the rim when I started the bike. I wanted to kill that MF'er but couldn't find him after the race.


And yes to those that have been saying this is the worst level of cheating, not only premeditated against one person, but also can put them in danger. This is lifetime ban shit for sure...

OK guess I've been naive.. no idea this sort of thing was going on.. good grief
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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wtf are people thinking?! I don't usually get involved in these forums but I won the women's race at Syracuse yesterday and am a bit livid about this. She looked like she was hammering the run and I even cheered for her when we crossed paths. To do something that could cause another athlete physical harm is completely unacceptable! We are amateur athletes doing this for fun, not racing for money and I'm pretty sure she already had a slot for 70.3 worlds. What would she gain from doing this? My 13 year old daughter and I had a good conversation about perspective and the right way to treat people on our way to school this morning after hearing about this.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [H2Owings] [ In reply to ]
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I once had my BTA water bottle cage come off about 2 minutes into a race, found out after the race that a certain competitor had been seen with a leatherman type multi tool messing with my bar area of my bike. Come to find out the zip ties holding the cage in place had been cut. It was a relatively short course so i only had one bottle on the bike.

Went to the race director who said that nothing could be done because they didnt have any visual proof of that person messing with my bike, and since the witness (my mother) was on my side and she didn't actually see him cut the ties there was nothing they could do.

They refused to even go talk to the person and ask them what he was doing around my bike.


This is the only instance i've ever been a part of or known of someone messing with bikes in transition. (other than theft)
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [acfmonkey] [ In reply to ]
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acfmonkey wrote:
wtf are people thinking?! I don't usually get involved in these forums but I won the women's race at Syracuse yesterday and am a bit livid about this. She looked like she was hammering the run and I even cheered for her when we crossed paths. To do something that could cause another athlete physical harm is completely unacceptable! We are amateur athletes doing this for fun, not racing for money and I'm pretty sure she already had a slot for 70.3 worlds. What would she gain from doing this? My 13 year old daughter and I had a good conversation about perspective and the right way to treat people on our way to school this morning after hearing about this.


Congrats on the win! How many tires did you deflate? (kidding). Was this the first you heard of the incident or was there buzz about it at the race site yesterday? Did you see her after the race? Interesting that Ironman has chosen to list her as DNS, when she did actually compete. Why would they not list her as DQ? So she has a worlds spot. Wonder if they will allow her to compete.

EDIT: She is not listed on the 70.3 AG Worlds list as of June 8th. Perhaps this was her effort to get there. Perhaps they practiced this approach at their Arizona training camp earlier this year.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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Herbert wrote:
Working on it

GreenPlease wrote:
Poon wrote:
Lifetime ban, please


For sure. Front page ST shaming too.

I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?

I realise that in situations like this legal council is often sought and threats of legal action made. Is she lawyering up to fend off an article? Did she admit guilt to the RD? I can imagine she may go to full denial, or go with some concocted story about getting confused and "I thought it was my bike".
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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If she wasn't caught on video, or seen by the race official during the act, I'm guessing she'll claim mistaken identity...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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This thread is bringing to light just how often "stuff" is happening to competitors belongings. Not long ago we had a thread about theft in transition. Not to mention all the cheating these days. Wtf.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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I never imagined such a thing as sabotaging a competitor's gear is possible. Unfortunately, this thread is suggesting it is not an isolated incident. The WTC can turn this into a great example to show the consequences of such an action--a lifetime ban. Then, they need to make a point at all the athlete briefings of saying that if you mess with your competitor's gear, this is what happens to you. I'd also include theft on the list of such punishable offenses.

There were a lot of flats at Syracuse yesterday!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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It honestly scares me that this happens. To mess with someone else's equipment in any way is insane...even more so if it is their bike where serious injury and potentially death is a real possibility when crashing at high speeds.

There need to be SERIOUS consequences for this type of action and it needs to be communicated to the entire community. As another poster stated...wtf is wrong with people?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Is she 0-4, or 40-44?

If this was a practical joke between friends, it would be mildly entertaining, although the old "54-11 and pull the eTube cable" prank is way better.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
acfmonkey wrote:
wtf are people thinking?! I don't usually get involved in these forums but I won the women's race at Syracuse yesterday and am a bit livid about this. She looked like she was hammering the run and I even cheered for her when we crossed paths. To do something that could cause another athlete physical harm is completely unacceptable! We are amateur athletes doing this for fun, not racing for money and I'm pretty sure she already had a slot for 70.3 worlds. What would she gain from doing this? My 13 year old daughter and I had a good conversation about perspective and the right way to treat people on our way to school this morning after hearing about this.


Congrats on the win! How many tires did you deflate? (kidding). Was this the first you heard of the incident or was there buzz about it at the race site yesterday? Did you see her after the race? Interesting that Ironman has chosen to list her as DNS, when she did actually compete. Why would they not list her as DQ? So she has a worlds spot. Wonder if they will allow her to compete.

EDIT: She is not listed on the 70.3 AG Worlds list as of June 8th. Perhaps this was her effort to get there. Perhaps they practiced this approach at their Arizona training camp earlier this year.

Looking at the ironman results page for this race, it appears they have everyone listed as DNS.......
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcoffee wrote:

Looking at the ironman results page for this race, it appears they have everyone listed as DNS.......

Not sure what's going on with the Ironman results page, but SportsStats has the full results where she is listed as DQ
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Herbert wrote:
Working on it

GreenPlease wrote:
Poon wrote:
Lifetime ban, please


For sure. Front page ST shaming too.


I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?

I realise that in situations like this legal council is often sought and threats of legal action made. Is she lawyering up to fend off an article? Did she admit guilt to the RD? I can imagine she may go to full denial, or go with some concocted story about getting confused and "I thought it was my bike".

Yep. The one naming her triathlon team is gone so I won't repeat it, but I do see that they took their Facebook page down. I can only imagine the comments they are getting even though I would be certain her team does not condone that behavior. I suspect she will soon be an ex-member of that team.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.

Who is Kristen Johnson?

She was the one that beat Ginny in Placid last year and took the last Kona spot. Funny too , when we picked up Ginnys bike both tires were flat. Aired them up and they never went flat again. Coincidence? Nope.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Diehl78 wrote:
stevej wrote:
Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.


Who is Kristen Johnson?


She was the one that beat Ginny in Placid last year and took the last Kona spot. Funny too , when we picked up Ginnys bike both tires were flat. Aired them up and they never went flat again. Coincidence? Nope.

So she deflated them during T2??? :)
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Herbert wrote:
Working on it

GreenPlease wrote:
Poon wrote:
Lifetime ban, please


For sure. Front page ST shaming too.


I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?

I realise that in situations like this legal council is often sought and threats of legal action made. Is she lawyering up to fend off an article? Did she admit guilt to the RD? I can imagine she may go to full denial, or go with some concocted story about getting confused and "I thought it was my bike".


Yep. The one naming her triathlon team is gone so I won't repeat it, but I do see that they took their Facebook page down. I can only imagine the comments they are getting even though I would be certain her team does not condone that behavior. I suspect she will soon be an ex-member of that team.

Why would a picture of her be deleted from this thread? I think this is the first time something I posted has been deleted. What is the difference between a name and race number vs a picture?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?

when i remove a post i don't want on the thread, any replies to that post get deleted (and replies to replies). that's why seemingly inocuous posts get deleted.

what i don't want are pics of the alleged perp, i don't want pics of her team, her coach, her dog, her family, or anything else. we're looking at this, we've interviewed a number of people, we have a lot more to interview, and i'd rather you all walk a little on this rather than run full speed until everyone knows a little more.

Dan Empfield
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Beats me, I have to agree with you that the photo, name, and number are pretty much ID equivalents. Over the years, I have noticed that Dan is very over protective of alleged perps although time and again, they are shown to be in the wrong. And the fact that she was DQ'd means the race officials have already judged her guilty of the violation. I do understand why Dan would remove the tri-team name though...we don't need to tar a bunch of innocent team members with the same dirty brush.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.




My apologies to Patriot Fans but we have a new deflategate (and I really do love Brady's comeback win at the superbowl to the point if I don't know if I was watching reality or if the NFL fix was on, but it was still awesome).



OK back to the thread. Even Lance didn't deflate Beloki's tires:



He just sent Vino on a wild goose chase down to Gap and had Beloki follow on that melting tarmac


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?


when i remove a post i don't want on the thread, any replies to that post get deleted (and replies to replies). that's why seemingly inocuous posts get deleted.

what i don't want are pics of the alleged perp, i don't want pics of her team, her coach, her dog, her family, or anything else. we're looking at this, we've interviewed a number of people, we have a lot more to interview, and i'd rather you all walk a little on this rather than run full speed until everyone knows a little more.

Dad said we can have a party when he is on vacation in Florida, so the rest of you guys, let's make sure the house is not burnt down while dad is out on vacation and doing private investigator work. Now let's keep the party going. Yes, I need Monday entertainment and this thread is it.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.

WOW. That is awful.

Dan...all good on the deletions, I get it...except for the picture. Looking forward to reading what you uncover.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Diehl78 wrote:
stevej wrote:
Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.


Who is Kristen Johnson?


She was the one that beat Ginny in Placid last year and took the last Kona spot. Funny too , when we picked up Ginnys bike both tires were flat. Aired them up and they never went flat again. Coincidence? Nope.

It would be pretty easy to check up race numbers of known competition in advance and go about sabotaging just before going to swim. Largely no one would know if you are fiddling with your bike or someone else's, provided you are all dressed up in your dry cloths with no visible numeric identification (or all dressed up in your wetsuit with cap in hand).
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No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.

Not defending this Kristen person, hope she gets a lifetime ban if guilty.
But looking at finisherpix of Ginny at LP 2016, her bike leg pics show what looks like fully inflated tires. If they were flat when you retrieved them afterwards, then maybe something else was up?

https://www.finisherpix.com/...0_022334#1320_022334
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Can we rename this thread "Deflategate"?
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Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.


Not defending this Kristen person, hope she gets a lifetime ban if guilty.
But looking at finisherpix of Ginny at LP 2016, her bike leg pics show what looks like fully inflated tires. If they were flat when you retrieved them afterwards, then maybe something else was up?

https://www.finisherpix.com/...0_022334#1320_022334

In fairness even at 40 psi from a distance, things can look pretty inflated. You'd have to get down to sub 20 psi to see it in an image at a distance....and also in fairness to Kirsten, even if she gets someone down to 60 or 50 psi, it won't result in an 18 minute slow bike split. Maybe 5 min. Amazing how fast you can ride on 60 psi. Chance of flatting goes up though from a pinch flat.
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I wonder if she knows Julie Miller?
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I don't trust transitions anymore. Someone stole my brand new Roka hat I was planning on using on the run. It was 90 degrees with no shade and I'm pretty fair skinned. I was relying on that hat!
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So is the next step to start installing go pros in transition. Maybe on light posts to get an aerial view? I mean, they don't actually even have to be real cameras if the RD can't swing it...but just the threat of it should at least deter this from happening more often.

Sad that it has to come to this, but we really shouldn't be surprised that when you gather a few hundred or a few thousand people in a competition, that you once in a while run into someone who's willing to do anything to gain an advantage.
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those times on IMLP 2016 are pretty jacked someone report it to Jerry
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F'n ridiculous. Lifetime ban is warranted for sure.

In my first few years of racing, I was pretty paranoid about losing equipment in transition but never really thought about someone messing with my bike.

I once had the straps of my bike helmet ratcheted fully tight which only took me a few seconds to fix. Nothing compared to the safety risk of deflated tires.
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monty wrote:
...And I even had it done to me in a AG race awhile back, had an argument with a young dude that was shoving last second onto a prime rack that we lined up for hours earlier, and all of a sudden my brakes were screwed down tight against the rim when I started the bike. I wanted to kill that MF'er but couldn't find him after the race.
I remember that - my first win at that race. Noooo.. it wasn't me that did that!!! You rode impressively with the seized brake, and still had a fast run. All on rage, I'm sure!

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So is the next step to start installing go pros in transition. Maybe on light posts to get an aerial view? I mean, they don't actually even have to be real cameras if the RD can't swing it...but just the threat of it should at least deter this from happening more often.

Sad that it has to come to this, but we really shouldn't be surprised that when you gather a few hundred or a few thousand people in a competition, that you once in a while run into someone who's willing to do anything to gain an advantage.

I think lots of athletes would like this. A GoPro on a stick at the end of each large rack. When you finish racking your bike you could turn toward it, put your hand on your saddle and show your race number. Very easy then to go through the footage to tidy up any complaints.
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Someone loosened the seat clamp on my bike one year at age group nationals in Tuscaloosa. Maybe half way on the bike, my seat tilted down& I nearly fell on the top tube. I rode the rest of the way on the back of the seat, hoping it wasn't going to fall off. The bikes were left in transition the day before the race, so plenty of opportunity for someone to "mess" with your bike.

Ridiculous that someone would do something to your bike, but it happens. If your bike has been sitting in transition overnight, best to check it over (brakes, seat clamp, stem bolts, etc). I'm pretty sure that USAT had the rule that you couldn't take your bike out of transition to warm up, so all you could do is check it over in transition.
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Jason N wrote:
So is the next step to start installing go pros in transition. Maybe on light posts to get an aerial view? I mean, they don't actually even have to be real cameras if the RD can't swing it...but just the threat of it should at least deter this from happening more often.

Sad that it has to come to this, but we really shouldn't be surprised that when you gather a few hundred or a few thousand people in a competition, that you once in a while run into someone who's willing to do anything to gain an advantage.

I believe there are cameras already installed at some IM branded races though they are on the perimeter of transition. I have noticed them at the last few races I have done. These are probably more for bike thieves though when racking your bike over night and possibly if someone wanted to snag your bike after the race.

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She ran a 3:30 marathon at IMLP, but runs a 26ish minute 5k in a sprint? And a 2:22 half marathon 3 months after the IM?

I'm calling BS on the IMLP time.
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She claims sub 3 hour marathon on Facebook too
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She ran a 3:16 at Kona. Hit all the timing mats.

I found a 10k result of 38:xx which I thought seemed a little slow given that Kona run.

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She ran a 3:30 marathon at IMLP, but runs a 26ish minute 5k in a sprint? And a 2:22 half marathon 3 months after the IM?

I'm calling BS on the IMLP time.


If the sprint you are mentioning is last years Guelph 2 then the run there is 7km. So the 26 minutes is consistent with her run ability.

The crime however does seem to fit her ability profile. Take her last Olympic distance race. Giving up 3 or 4 minutes on the best swimmers she can run almost 7-9 minutes faster than anyone in her age group. So the problem/competition for her comes from any good swim-bike athlete. Hmmm.
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Oh damn, well that's different then. We don't have any sprints with runs longer than 5k here, so that's a little foreign to me.
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The woman's husband (whose tire had been let out) took pictures of her doing it. Luckily he was standing next to the transition area and alerted officials immediately after calling attention to it. It was in the last 10 minutes of transition being open, so I guess anything can happen!
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The woman's husband (whose tire had been let out) took pictures of her doing it. Luckily he was standing next to the transition area and alerted officials immediately after calling attention to it. It was in the last 10 minutes of transition being open, so I guess anything can happen!

That's good. I wonder if the reason he was being vigilant was suspicions based on things having happened before. Hard to deny photographic evidence...
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SBRcoffee wrote:
Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.[/

I can tell you she rode her watts, she's methodical like that and should've been 5:40 range , she went 6:00. When we picked her bike up her tires were ridiculously low. We pumped them up and they held air the rest of the year. Never happened before and never happened again. That is what I know.

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OK back to the thread. Even Lance didn't deflate Beloki's tires:



He just sent Vino on a wild goose chase down to Gap and had Beloki follow on that melting tarmac


Maybe she watched Breaking Away that weekend and got some ideas. Luckily, she didn't carry a pump with her too!

This is so weird to me (this story and all the stuff that happened to others. When I race anything, I'm always worried about me and my stuff...I've never really considered other people (except a couple times when people tried to jam in a spot that didn't exist and bumping other's equipment) and certainly never thought about messing with their stuff.
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I just checked, she does not seem to have a 70.3 Worlds slot.
Congrats on your win!
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can we not ask if this kristen is the same as that kristen, and which kristen is which. i'd rather not catch up any more folks in this than are likely to be already caught up in it.

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Fair enough.

Apologies,

Maurice
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Slowman wrote:
can we not ask if this kristen is the same as that kristen, and which kristen is which. i'd rather not catch up any more folks in this than are likely to be already caught up in it.

As long as there is clarity if this Slowman is that slowman. I am getting really confused on whether the capitalized one or the non cap one is the real deal. Which one is the prez of TBI anyway?
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slowman never capitalizes. slowman's handheld device intervenes and capitalizes his words tho under protest. that's not slowman. it's his device. blame his device.

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slowman never capitalizes. slowman's handheld device intervenes and capitalizes his words tho under protest. that's not slowman. it's his device. blame his device.

OK, just let that slowman know to get on with device that is messing with his identity (seems to be a case of online identity theft) and get on with the formal investigation.

Meanwhile Brady has confirmed that he's joining the ST deflategate party as he is no longer the sole owner of that label.




Can someone around here create a jpeg with deflated Turbo Cottons, Conti 4000's, Vittoria Corsa's maybe even a token Gatorskin to cover Andy Pott's favourite fast tire selection. Latex tubing could be thrown into the image for the full blown ST approval.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I hear Messick is on the phone with this guy asking for advice:


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Has there been any "other side to the story"? I am a cynical person with a dim view of the human race, but this seems a little too weird. Has to be more the story. Maybe she is [moderator deleted the rest of this sentence].
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DBF wrote:
Has there been any "other side to the story"? I am a cynical person with a dim view of the human race, but this seems a little too weird. Has to be more the story. Maybe she is [moderator deleted the rest of this sentence].

This thread is actually more entertaining with parts redacted. Leaves things open to the imagination. Carry on!

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DBF wrote:
Has there been any "other side to the story"? I am a cynical person with a dim view of the human race, but this seems a little too weird. Has to be more the story. Maybe she is [moderator deleted the rest of this sentence].


This thread is actually more entertaining with parts redacted. Leaves things open to the imagination. Carry on!

We'll get the other part of the story when Tom Brady gives the other part of the story. In the mean time, both Kirsten and Tom are awesome World Championship qualifiers (and Tom has actually won "just a few"). Now if we can just get the inside conversation between Messick and Goodale (don't laugh, Messick used to work for former NBA commissioner Stern so he's plugged into the club).
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Its funny that I was just flipping through Facebook and I saw that this story is on triathlete magazine online. But when you read the article it says from a slowtwitch forum post we have learned, and then they just said what has already been said here.

I don't think there has been any infraction like this that wasn't broken by the forum here, besides that guy that catches all the runners, and he does it for a living!!!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [dab628] [ In reply to ]
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That is good that there is evidence. Hopefully an example is made of the individual in question.
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X 1,000,000

It is the mind itself which builds the body.
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Kay Serrar wrote:
I keep seeing posts deleted. I understand removing posts questioning the mental health of the alleged perpetrator, but some others seem harmless (like the one asking if you will be reaching out to her). Any idea what is allowed and what isn't here?


when i remove a post i don't want on the thread, any replies to that post get deleted (and replies to replies). that's why seemingly inocuous posts get deleted.

what i don't want are pics of the alleged perp, i don't want pics of her team, her coach, her dog, her family, or anything else. we're looking at this, we've interviewed a number of people, we have a lot more to interview, and i'd rather you all walk a little on this rather than run full speed until everyone knows a little more.

one would hope ex team and coach
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Lay off the GOAT.


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I wonder if the victim was running Pigskin tires.

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Lay off the GOAT.


Are we calling Kristen Johson the GOAT? And here I thought we had Paula Newby Fraser, Michelle Jones, Chrissie Wellington and Natasha Badmann on the candidate list. How did she get to the front of the line? I gotta get on the phone with Paula to tell her she's been unseated from her title.
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This makes me wonder if that what happened to me at Boulder IM last week. My seat post dropped all the way down as soon as I sat on it after leaving T2. Had the bike fitted 3 years ago and have done many rides and races with no problem. It jammed down so hard I had a hell of a time getting the post un-jammed and back into position.

It really sad that there are actually people that would sabotage someone bike. Should be a lifetime ban!
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The woman's husband (whose tire had been let out) took pictures of her doing it. Luckily he was standing next to the transition area and alerted officials immediately after calling attention to it. It was in the last 10 minutes of transition being open, so I guess anything can happen!

Wow. This makes me absolutely sick to think of what would have happened had the husband NOT been there and seen this occur. I'm assuming she let the air out of someone's tire that she knew would be a threat to her winning/placing. So whoever this was could have had their day ruined!! So now you need a 'bike watcher/photographer' and a race helper!?
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Dev, doesn't shock me, especially when I read that it was the husband of the victim who was ready with the camera to bust Ms. Johnson. I'll be interested to read the ST article which I assume will reveal the nexus between the two competitors involved.

I agree that a lifetime USAT ban is justified if the photographic evidence leaves no doubt as to who flattened the tire in transition.
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I just checked, she does not seem to have a 70.3 Worlds slot.

I'm sure she'll find an Ultra to run somewhere.

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Dev, doesn't shock me, especially when I read that it was the husband of the victim who was ready with the camera to bust Ms. Johnson. I'll be interested to read the ST article which I assume will reveal the nexus between the two competitors involved.

I agree that a lifetime USAT ban is justified if the photographic evidence leaves no doubt as to who flattened the tire in transition.

I would not be surprised if they suspected the possibility of some shenanigans - What's the likelihood that he was just staring at his wife's bike over the transition fence at just the right time and his first reaction when seeing this would be to whip out the camera in time to catch it, rather than yell at her or something. It'd be over pretty fast.

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Dev, doesn't shock me, especially when I read that it was the husband of the victim who was ready with the camera to bust Ms. Johnson. I'll be interested to read the ST article which I assume will reveal the nexus between the two competitors involved.

I agree that a lifetime USAT ban is justified if the photographic evidence leaves no doubt as to who flattened the tire in transition.

I fully support a lifetime ban from the sport for this action. There is no place in our sport for it.
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I would not be surprised if they suspected the possibility of some shenanigans - What's the likelihood that he was just staring at his wife's bike over the transition fence at just the right time and his first reaction when seeing this would be to whip out the camera in time to catch it, rather than yell at her or something. It'd be over pretty fast.

That was my reaction too. It seems odd to be standing in the transition area, when your wife isn't around, and have a camera there and the time to take a photo while someone is deflating the tires. With so many bikes in transition, and him being probably a fair distance away, it would take a while to register that someone was actually touching his wife's bike.

It also sounded to me like they were anticipating something.

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I would not be surprised if they suspected the possibility of some shenanigans - What's the likelihood that he was just staring at his wife's bike over the transition fence at just the right time and his first reaction when seeing this would be to whip out the camera in time to catch it, rather than yell at her or something. It'd be over pretty fast.

That was my reaction too. It seems odd to be standing in the transition area, when your wife isn't around, and have a camera there and the time to take a photo while someone is deflating the tires. With so many bikes in transition, and him being probably a fair distance away, it would take a while to register that someone was actually touching his wife's bike.

It also sounded to me like they were anticipating something.

Is the competitor whose air was let out from the same area (St. Catherines) as Kristen? If not, why would they suspect the hanky panky? Or was the victim previously a victim, but if so how did she know Kristen was the previous culprit?
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I am going to set up a website aimed at empowering male cheats in triathlon.

https://www.pbandjcoaching.com
https://www.thisbigroadtrip.com
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I am going to set up a website aimed at empowering male cheats in triathlon.

Are you saying we need equal opportunity quotas of male and women cheaters in the KQ 40-44 groups?
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devashish_paul wrote:
JayPeeWhy wrote:
I am going to set up a website aimed at empowering male cheats in triathlon.


Are you saying we need equal opportunity quotas of male and women cheaters in the KQ 40-44 groups?

I am secretly dumping syringes of 'rodeo bull drugs' into my wife while she sleeps. She's as hairy as F, snorts a lot and has a monumental temper but it's the only way to level the playing field.

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It also sounded to me like they were anticipating something.

i think we're getting waaaaay out over our skis here. i know it's frustrating to feel a dearth of information, but there is nevertheless a dearth of information.

i know patience is not the currency of the internet, but we (meaning you all) have yet to hear from anyone. not the alleged perp, not the intended victim, not eyewitnesses, not the RD, nor the officials nor ironman.

we are trying to interview these folks. we have interviewed some of them. but not enough of them to draw conclusions. when we do, we'll write what we know. i would hope that's tomorrow. it depends on whether people talk to us or not, and how quickly, and with how many qualifications, asterisks and addendums.

when we know, you'll know.

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Slowman wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
It also sounded to me like they were anticipating something.



i think we're getting waaaaay out over our skis here. i know it's frustrating to feel a dearth of information, but there is nevertheless a dearth of information.

i know patience is not the currency of the internet, but we (meaning you all) have yet to hear from anyone. not the alleged perp, not the intended victim, not eyewitnesses, not the RD, nor the officials nor ironman.

we are trying to interview these folks. we have interviewed some of them. but not enough of them to draw conclusions. when we do, we'll write what we know. i would hope that's tomorrow. it depends on whether people talk to us or not, and how quickly, and with how many qualifications, asterisks and addendums.

when we know, you'll know.


On the "hard information front" what we do know is a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario, Canada (same country as Ben Johnson), who raced in F40-44 at 70.3 Syracuse was officially DQ'd this weekend.

https://www.sportstats.ca/...d=45829&bib=1405


and the same person did finish 4th in Kona last year in 10:24 in F40-44 after qualifying second at LP 2016 in a stellar time of 10:26.


It is not known how many athletes in F40-44 in Kona had tire issues. Nor how many athletes in F40-44 at LP. All that is conjecture so we'll steer clear.


Dev
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Honestly. Not all Canadian AGers are scumbags. Jesus. This is bullshit behavior. Please at least ban for the WTC circuit.

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Say no to conspiracy theories. Hopefully tomorrow in detail.

But no, no one was anticipating shenanigans


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Well thank god, now you can focus your efforts on jail time.
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No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.

Just wow. That is some seriously f'd up sh*t. A tire underinflated that much is also at greater risk of coming off the rim. What the hell is wrong with someone to ruin someone else's day like that? At first I thought the call for lifetime ban was a bit premature but now I'm on that bandwagon.
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Well thank god, now you can focus your efforts on jail time.

I have been light hearted and joking around on this thread, but seriously this could easily be sabotaging a fellow athlete's equipment in a potentially life threatening manner. Yes flats happen, just like brakes fail on cars, but if you go in and alter the mechanical soundness of a vehicle, that's some seriously messed up stuff. I'm a bit more active on this type of thread because I really hold the sporting comportment of Kona qualifiers to a much higher standard, because they are holding something that the majority of other athletes covet in some way.
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chriselam wrote:
Lay off the GOAT.



Are we calling Kristen Johson the GOAT? And here I thought we had Paula Newby Fraser, Michelle Jones, Chrissie Wellington and Natasha Badmann on the candidate list. How did she get to the front of the line? I gotta get on the phone with Paula to tell her she's been unseated from her title.

Tom Brady.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with you there, not that any cheating is cool, but potentially altering somebody's physical being through altered equipment takes it up a notch.. I'm just going to hold onto my pitchfork until we hear more in the coming days.

Cheers
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
On the "hard information front" what we do know is a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario, Canada (same country as Ben Johnson), who raced in F40-44 at 70.3 Syracuse was officially DQ'd this weekend.

really? can you show me, screenshot or something, a link, anything that says she was DQd?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
On the "hard information front" what we do know is a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario, Canada (same country as Ben Johnson), who raced in F40-44 at 70.3 Syracuse was officially DQ'd this weekend.


really? can you show me, screenshot or something, a link, anything that says she was DQd?

http://www.ironman.com/...tail=1#axzz4kVSyCEqi
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
On the "hard information front" what we do know is a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario, Canada (same country as Ben Johnson), who raced in F40-44 at 70.3 Syracuse was officially DQ'd this weekend.

really? can you show me, screenshot or something, a link, anything that says she was DQd?

http://m.ironman.com/...yracuse/results.aspx

Put in the word 'Johnson' in the search.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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thank you. i *thought* i saw previously she was a DNS, not a DQ.

i believe we are investigating what this was for (whether it was a DNS or a DQ and if the latter what it specifically was for).

i just got done writing a month or so ago how ironman was the production standard by which all large races are judged. this is why i'm confident the folks responsible for the race will answer our reach-outs.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
On the "hard information front" what we do know is a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario, Canada (same country as Ben Johnson), who raced in F40-44 at 70.3 Syracuse was officially DQ'd this weekend.


really? can you show me, screenshot or something, a link, anything that says she was DQd?


When you click on this link that I pasted in this thread:

https://www.sportstats.ca/...d=45829&bib=1405


You get her DQ this weekend. It does not say for "what" and there is no mention of a deflategate in this sporstats link. It just says this woman has been DQ'd. If you then over on the magnifying glass symbol below here name on the box to the right all the sportstats results associated with the name Kristen Johnson comes up. There you will find the 2016 LP and Kona results for a Kristen Johnson from St. Catherines Ontario. All of this is public record.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I'm thinking of the IM LP course, on that downhill in the early part of the bike where there is a lake on the left with crappy sweeping road (unless they paved in in the past few years), how fast that is...should a tire be low it could be messy and possibly cause critical personal damage.
Has anyone heard or know of this gal has made her statement or an official statement as to what she was doing in the transition? What is HER side of the story?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Rocky M] [ In reply to ]
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Rocky M wrote:
I'm thinking of the IM LP course, on that downhill in the early part of the bike where there is a lake on the left with crappy sweeping road (unless they paved in in the past few years), how fast that is...should a tire be low it could be messy and possibly cause critical personal damage.
Has anyone heard or know of this gal has made her statement or an official statement as to what she was doing in the transition? What is HER side of the story?

Forget about waiting till the Keene downhill. On an underinflated tire right out of T1 on that super steep downhill at IMLP with the first hard right turn (off the path onto the road) and then the next downhill with the hard left turn onto the main road, on either one of those high speed turns you could do some bad damage if you did not realize that your tire was underinflated and about to "roll". Ask Beloki from the first image about tire rolls.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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thank you. i *thought* i saw previously she was a DNS, not a DQ.

i believe we are investigating what this was for (whether it was a DNS or a DQ and if the latter what it specifically was for).

You did...they changed it from DNS to DQ at some point today.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.

Goddamn Canadians!!

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.


Not defending this Kristen person, hope she gets a lifetime ban if guilty.
But looking at finisherpix of Ginny at LP 2016, her bike leg pics show what looks like fully inflated tires. If they were flat when you retrieved them afterwards, then maybe something else was up?

https://www.finisherpix.com/...0_022334#1320_022334

Lol yep they're fully inflated. Busted!!!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
Slowman wrote:
thank you. i *thought* i saw previously she was a DNS, not a DQ.

i believe we are investigating what this was for (whether it was a DNS or a DQ and if the latter what it specifically was for).

You did...they changed it from DNS to DQ at some point today.

I looked at the results yesterday morning and it showed a DQ (on IM site). Then at some point later on yesterday it changed to a DNS but I also saw alot of weird stuff with previous results (for everyone) at the same time. It didn't show any of my results from the races I have done this year. I assume IM was doing something with their database (update, upgrade, backup, etc... whatever) at this time which screwed with everyone's results regardless of DQ, DNS, DNF, finish time. Then it looks like IM finished with their work to the database and the results were back to what they were showing earlier..... DQ.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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This happened right in front of the transition area so a lot of us saw and heard the details as they were happening. It doesn't look good for her and messing with someone's equipment IS grounds for a DQ. However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike. IDK, but I find it interesting that every reply to this post has already found her guilty and ready to burn her at the stake. Just consider that she might not have been doing anything malicious before you cast the first stone.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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No, it wasn't. And it was right in front of transition
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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A side note, what happened to the original winner? I didnt catch his name but he ran 1:13....he is no longer first, the top 3 were M25-29 and now there is only 2...did he get DQd?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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colinlaughery wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
chriselam wrote:
Lay off the GOAT.



Are we calling Kristen Johson the GOAT? And here I thought we had Paula Newby Fraser, Michelle Jones, Chrissie Wellington and Natasha Badmann on the candidate list. How did she get to the front of the line? I gotta get on the phone with Paula to tell her she's been unseated from her title.

Tom Brady.

He knows. Everyone knows.


--Chris
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CNYtriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Nice first post ever.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CNYtriguy] [ In reply to ]
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CNYtriguy wrote:
This happened right in front of the transition area so a lot of us saw and heard the details as they were happening. It doesn't look good for her and messing with someone's equipment IS grounds for a DQ. However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike. IDK, but I find it interesting that every reply to this post has already found her guilty and ready to burn her at the stake. Just consider that she might not have been doing anything malicious before you cast the first stone.
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Why would she be trying to inflate someone else's wheel?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CNYtriguy] [ In reply to ]
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However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike.


Can you clarify what this means?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike.


Can you clarify what this means?

+1000

Yes, I'm sure many of us here want to hear a clarification. Let's hypothetically say she got the wrong bike, why was air removed from the tires of any bike? If she had inflation issues, why wouldn't she ask for help? As, someone else said, nice first post. (Roll eyes).
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CNYtriguy] [ In reply to ]
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CNYtriguy wrote:
This happened right in front of the transition area so a lot of us saw and heard the details as they were happening. It doesn't look good for her and messing with someone's equipment IS grounds for a DQ. However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike. IDK, but I find it interesting that every reply to this post has already found her guilty and ready to burn her at the stake. Just consider that she might not have been doing anything malicious before you cast the first stone.
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Whose bike tire was she trying to inflate? Does she have a name/bib number? Does that person agree that this is something they wanted or would have been okay with her doing?

How does she let air out instead of putting air in? Did the valve extender blow?

Did she even have a bike pump with her?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike.


Can you clarify what this means?


If she did "accidentally" start on a mistaken bike then why didn't she reinflate the tires once she discover "oops, this isn't my bike"? No matter what, you leave the wrong bike as it was. You don't "accidentally" mess with someone else's equipment and then leave it screwed up. Even if it was an innocent mistake, that is a douche move
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?

I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!

Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?

Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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Her run times vary pretty astronomically month to month...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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apparently there is pretty damning video and picture evidence submitted to the RD before he made his decision to DQ.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?

I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!

Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?

Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!

If you screwed up, by accident, and messed up another competitors bike 10 minutes before transition closed, wouldn't the natural instinct be one of panic and frantically looking for others to help fix your honest mistake? And what bike was she trying to fix, was it unridable? So far, the story about what she did, if true, sounds like a ridiculous lie to get out of telling the truth. If it is truly the truth, (she was trying to help someone else and then left tires low on air without alerting others) she has zero integrity and lacks a conscience.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CNYtriguy] [ In reply to ]
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CNYtriguy wrote:
This happened right in front of the transition area so a lot of us saw and heard the details as they were happening. It doesn't look good for her and messing with someone's equipment IS grounds for a DQ. However, she contends that it was trying to inflate someone else's wheel but got the wrong bike. IDK, but I find it interesting that every reply to this post has already found her guilty and ready to burn her at the stake. Just consider that she might not have been doing anything malicious before you cast the first stone.
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well, let's see what comes out of the interviews Slowman is undertaking, but this is exactly the kind of obfuscating type of defense I would have expected. just enough confusion to try to put the slightest doubt in people's minds that she was intentionally trying to sabotage a competitor's race, followed by repeated denial that she did anything wrong. basically the Amy Stretton defense.

what is your relationship to the accused? why did you just open a new profile here?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Shambolic] [ In reply to ]
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Out of curiosity , can someone ballpark BBS , 130 lbs, 175 watts at Placid, with a decent position, not super low drag or anything. I'm just kind of curious. I'm not at all tech savvy , I apologize.

Big Sexy Racing 2018
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?

I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!

Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?

Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!

I would guess there is more to the story, such as maybe a history between the two athletes, but that would only increase the chances that it was intentional. WTC's decision to DQ her I think lends credibility to the story as told so far.

I think, sadly, this kind of thing goes on way more than anyone can imagine. I have heard plenty of stories in my area and even my spouse had so.ething happen that seems most likely to have been intentional (an object placed up inside the toe area of her running shoe at a sprint duathlon).
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Out of curiosity , can someone ballpark BBS , 130 lbs, 175 watts at Placid, with a decent position, not super low drag or anything. I'm just kind of curious. I'm not at all tech savvy , I apologize.

At 130 lbs off 175W at LP should be easily under 5:30. I've done 5:29 there off 183W at 138 off a shitty aero position on the old "tougher/slower" course. Also did the same bike split at Whistler on a way tougher course off the same watts. At 130 lbs it should be easily under 5:30 on that 6000 ft climbing course. Having said that, it may also depend on how well the athlete descends. You can easily lose 2-4 min per loop on Keene vs a good descender who lets it rip.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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probably goes on for a long time which is sad... if she is willing to sabotage a fellow competitors equipment there is no telling what she hasn't done... I would bet money she dopes, course cuts, and whatever else cheaters can already dream up that we haven't discovered yet.

#lifetimeban
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [wetswimmer99] [ In reply to ]
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If it is truly the truth, (she was trying to help someone else and then left tires low on air without alerting others) she has zero integrity and lacks a conscience.


Agreed - if there was malicious intent!

But . . . were you there? Did you see all of this unfold? Have you heard directly from, BOTH parties?

Again - I don't know all the details either. I just find it fascinating and and interesting study in human nature and behavior, that all we have is some crude details, from one side of a story, and almost everyone, piles right on!


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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If the point you are making is someone tried to F' her over so she wanted to F' them over back... This is the most pathological way to do it. Air out of the tires this time, heck maybe just cut the brake cables next!!!
If you have gripe with an athlete take it through the proper channels.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally? Just curious.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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If the point you are making is someone tried to F' her over so she wanted to F' them over back... This is the most pathological way to do it.


By your tone and words - you have missed my point and what I am trying to say completely.

My suggestion to you, since your handle is seeksTrijustice - is to really do seek that.

With all due respect, you like many others seem to have have defaulted to one side. And ounce again, let me be VERY clear - I'm NOT taking sides here - only trying to FULLY understand what went on and get all the details before coming to a conclusion - that's what we do in a truly judiciary society! :)


Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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This is America if the President Tweets it, IT IS FACT
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?

I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!

Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?

Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!

Agreed for the most part. My job plays by the rules of beyond a reasonable doubt, reasonable belief/suspicion, and innocent until proven guilty.

But this is the internet so there's different rules and we're on a discussion board debating x, y, and z. Trial by internet is kind of fun, and 99% of the time we're right on ST.

Yes, we only have one side to the story and there could be some history between the two athletes. I'm sure there's another side but there's ZERO reason to ever touch someone else's equipment unless you were specifically asked to do so. I have pumped up my brother's tires in transition several times because 1) I had the pump and 2) he asked me to do so.

Any argument saying she mistakenly did that to the wrong bike is horseshit. Everyone knows what their own bike looks like so that doesn't fly. If her argument is going to be that someone asked her to pump up their tires and she went to the wrong bike... well, she let air OUT, not put air IN.

We don't have all the facts but there's no plausible excuse for what she did.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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This is America if the President Tweets it, IT IS FACT


I did NOT want to make that connection to American Politics and Donald Trump, but since you have - yes, there are some parallels with incidents like this - vast hordes of people, piling or choosing a side, based on scanty, questionable, one sided, information! :)


Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
...that's what we do in a truly judiciary society! :)

Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
Diehl78 wrote:
Out of curiosity , can someone ballpark BBS , 130 lbs, 175 watts at Placid, with a decent position, not super low drag or anything. I'm just kind of curious. I'm not at all tech savvy , I apologize.

At 130 lbs off 175W at LP should be easily under 5:30. I've done 5:29 there off 183W at 138 off a shitty aero position on the old "tougher/slower" course. Also did the same bike split at Whistler on a way tougher course off the same watts. At 130 lbs it should be easily under 5:30 on that 6000 ft climbing course. Having said that, it may also depend on how well the athlete descends. You can easily lose 2-4 min per loop on Keene vs a good descender who lets it rip.

Thank you for running those numbers for me! I appreciate it .

Big Sexy Racing 2018
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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that was my point.... Just like Cosby was found innocent in court he wasn't guilty he didn't do anything everyone is lying... IF it walks like a duck....
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.


Agreed - but have you been to or seen, the scene 10 minutes to go before the start of a large triathlon? Do you know how many things and balls up in the air an RD has with 10 minutes to go before the start? In short, it's mayhem - not exactly the best situation to make a sound, rational decision weighing ALL of the evidence, competently and thoroughly. He/She has probably never been confronted with something like this, while at the same time trying to haggle with the police about course/road security, dealing with an over-flowing porta-pottie, and athletes asking when/where the start is??


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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the Athlete complete the whole course and logged a finish time before Officially being "DQed" I believe the RD had enough time throughout the day to Mull It over and make up his mind or rethink his initial decision if he made it early in the morning.

Also I am sure this was (if not immediately shortly there after) Put in front of the WTC head Referee
and probably going to USAT as well.
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Fleck wrote:
If it is truly the truth, (she was trying to help someone else and then left tires low on air without alerting others) she has zero integrity and lacks a conscience.


Agreed - if there was malicious intent!

I disagree.

Even without malicious intent, and regardless of the motive for her faffing with someone else's bike - and apparently the wrong bike at that, if our newest poster is to be believed - leaving it with partially-deflated tires right before the race start, and not drawing attention to it, shows a definite lack of integrity and/or conscience.

"Ah well, I did try but my race is about to start.. they can just deal with it after the swim."
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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seeksTrijustice wrote:
Her run times vary pretty astronomically month to month...


1) it is a pretty common name- Are you sure all the run times are the same person?

2) sometimes I run local races with friends, with my kids, with my husband--- some women run pregnant, post-partum with and without strollers. So running times can be all over the place.

Not sure what the outcome of the Tonya Harding/ Nancy Kerrigan situation will be here-but there can be lots of reasons for variability in run times that don't mean anything.
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chriselam wrote:
colinlaughery wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
chriselam wrote:
Lay off the GOAT.



Are we calling Kristen Johson the GOAT? And here I thought we had Paula Newby Fraser, Michelle Jones, Chrissie Wellington and Natasha Badmann on the candidate list. How did she get to the front of the line? I gotta get on the phone with Paula to tell her she's been unseated from her title.


Tom Brady.


He knows. Everyone knows he is a cheater. Might as well be Candian

QFT - now stay on topic.

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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I wish she would at least post her race schedule, so I know I wont need to bring a pump to transition if we are in the same race. Do I just put a sticker on my wheels that says what air pressure I would like?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
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Leddy wrote:
chriselam wrote:
colinlaughery wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
chriselam wrote:
Lay off the GOAT.



Are we calling Kristen Johson the GOAT? And here I thought we had Paula Newby Fraser, Michelle Jones, Chrissie Wellington and Natasha Badmann on the candidate list. How did she get to the front of the line? I gotta get on the phone with Paula to tell her she's been unseated from her title.


Tom Brady.


He knows. Everyone knows he is a cheater. Might as well be Candian


QFT - now stay on topic.




--Chris
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:


I wish she would at least post her race schedule, so I know I wont need to bring a pump to transition if we are in the same race. Do I just put a sticker on my wheels that says what air pressure I would like?

Haha!!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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As another data point on this, I think I rode 5:27 on around 180W at ~122lb my first year there, with an ok but not great position. My descending skills leave a bit to be desired, too-not that I was riding the brakes, but I probably maxed out at 35-40 down Keene. So, agreed that 5:30ish seems reasonable!
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Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.


Agreed - but have you been to or seen, the scene 10 minutes to go before the start of a large triathlon? Do you know how many things and balls up in the air an RD has with 10 minutes to go before the start? In short, it's mayhem - not exactly the best situation to make a sound, rational decision weighing ALL of the evidence, competently and thoroughly. He/She has probably never been confronted with something like this, while at the same time trying to haggle with the police about course/road security, dealing with an over-flowing porta-pottie, and athletes asking when/where the start is??

Do you know the athlete personally?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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.... Just like Cosby was found innocent in court....

That's not exactly how it went down............

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.


Agreed - but have you been to or seen, the scene 10 minutes to go before the start of a large triathlon? Do you know how many things and balls up in the air an RD has with 10 minutes to go before the start? In short, it's mayhem - not exactly the best situation to make a sound, rational decision weighing ALL of the evidence, competently and thoroughly. He/She has probably never been confronted with something like this, while at the same time trying to haggle with the police about course/road security, dealing with an over-flowing porta-pottie, and athletes asking when/where the start is??

Steve, USAT qualified ref's DQ'd her. WTC runs its own reffing with USAT qualfied folks to my best knowledge. For her to be DQ'd onsite, there would have been some deliberation from people who have zero role in race organization and only have a role in enforcing rules for a fair race. She is GUILTY. If you have not seen this capture of her race results, have a look:


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.


Agreed - but have you been to or seen, the scene 10 minutes to go before the start of a large triathlon? Do you know how many things and balls up in the air an RD has with 10 minutes to go before the start? In short, it's mayhem - not exactly the best situation to make a sound, rational decision weighing ALL of the evidence, competently and thoroughly. He/She has probably never been confronted with something like this, while at the same time trying to haggle with the police about course/road security, dealing with an over-flowing porta-pottie, and athletes asking when/where the start is??


Do you know the athlete personally?

I am guessing they do. I am also guessing they won't answer you. To their point...the RD had the entire race to make the call so they really don't have a point, other than likely defending themselves, a friend, or a spouse. Probably not a team mate or coach, since both have dropped her...and they didn't have a million "balls in the air" when they made that decision.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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Cosby was found innocent in court ...

Actually, it was hung jury and a mistrial

They have 120 days to give it another shot, according to the judge; so Cosby's not off the hook yet

Lizzie Borden, Robert Blake, or OJ, on the other hand ...they were acquitted

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [jlh1750] [ In reply to ]
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As another data point on this, I think I rode 5:27 on around 180W at ~122lb my first year there, with an ok but not great position. My descending skills leave a bit to be desired, too-not that I was riding the brakes, but I probably maxed out at 35-40 down Keene. So, agreed that 5:30ish seems reasonable!

Thank you for taking the time to let me know!

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

I think the reason people have defaulted is because it was reported that video/photographic evidence exists and a DQ was handed down. I doubt many people are going to weigh both sides in this case. If it was an accusation with no proof other than an "eye witness" then of course we would expect people to be reasonable and weigh both sides.

I hope there is a reasonable explanation because, as I stated earlier in the thread, it is scary to me to think that people are messing with bike equipment which could lead to a crash...could you imagine if your or a loved ones equipment was messed with and a serious crash took place??

Bottom line, keep your hands off other peoples stuff unless explicitly asked.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Since you know her perhaps you should tell her now is the time to provide a rational explanation, because the first one was hogs wash.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Indeed - innocent until found guilty. Do you not trust WTC's role as judge and jury here? They DQ'd her - not something they are normally willing to do lightly on weak evidence.


Agreed - but have you been to or seen, the scene 10 minutes to go before the start of a large triathlon? Do you know how many things and balls up in the air an RD has with 10 minutes to go before the start? In short, it's mayhem - not exactly the best situation to make a sound, rational decision weighing ALL of the evidence, competently and thoroughly. He/She has probably never been confronted with something like this, while at the same time trying to haggle with the police about course/road security, dealing with an over-flowing porta-pottie, and athletes asking when/where the start is??


Do you know the athlete personally?


I am guessing they do. I am also guessing they won't answer you. To their point...the RD had the entire race to make the call so they really don't have a point, other than likely defending themselves, a friend, or a spouse. Probably not a team mate or coach, since both have dropped her...and they didn't have a million "balls in the air" when they made that decision.


If the original poster is 100% correct, the DQ'd athlete must have been stalking the other athlete and their bike and went into action when the other athlete finally left the transition area shortly before it closed. Pretty Bat Sh&t Crazy. So, the DQ'd athlete originally finished 3rd in her age group, would that have earned her a spot to worlds?

"The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start."
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else notice that the article on triathlete.ca has been removed? Any ideas why this would be?
http://triathlonmagazine.ca/news/canadian-age-grouper-disqualified-ironman-70-3-syracuse/
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [wetswimmer99] [ In reply to ]
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luckily I am too slow to be a threat and therefore don't have to worry about this kind of racer on racer violence
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

No, it's not "odd" at all. Sure, there is another side (there is always another side!), and I suspect we had a snippet of it from the earlier poster who - suspiciously on their first ever post - came on to ST to give a very implausible excuse for what happened. I'm sure something like that will be her story and she'll stick to it. If there is hard photo/video evidence of what she did, then her only possible excuse would be that she mistook the bike for a friend's, but - and assuming this is the story she wants to stick to - who was that friend and why did they want her to adjust their tire pressure just before transition closed?

And I'm sure that, just like those friends of Julie Miller and Amy Stretton, you may think this lady is a "really nice person" and no doubt she is in everyday life. But these "super nice people" also sometimes cheat in sports. That's just a fact of life. Even Canadians! :)

The only thing currently working in her favor is that she doesn't have a double letter combo in her name...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

WTC took months to DQ Julie Miller. They are not known for their quick decision making. They came to the conclusion to DQ this athlete on raceday, therefore the evidence must have been compelling.

What IS the other side of the story? Sounds like your personal relationship is obfuscating your judgment, and that's okay, because that's typically normal, just like Julie Miller's friends or friends of any athlete that has been caught doing something against the rules.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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This is America if the President Tweets it, IT IS FACT


I did NOT want to make that connection to American Politics and Donald Trump, but since you have - yes, there are some parallels with incidents like this - vast hordes of people, piling or choosing a side, based on scanty, questionable, one sided, information! :)

Can you say snowflakes? :)

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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The only thing currently working in her favor is that she doesn't have a double letter combo in her name...



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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

Come on both sides really? This is as bad as the people defending the girl from NZ, thinking that somehow she maybe was just that good on the swim that day to beat all the pro men. I'm sure she just accidently found the wrong bike with all the wrong stuff on it and didn't notice.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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Since you know her perhaps you should tell her now is the time to provide a rational explanation, because the first one was hogs wash.

You would think they would be all over this if they were innocent. Even if they are not innocent....nobody got hurt (luckily) so why not use their poor judgement to be an example of what not to do...and own their bad decision, explain how it has effected her, explain why it's not worth cheating...fall on the sword. That would seem like a logical approach....then again, it appears she may not be logical.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [newManUK] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a way back machine capture of the Triathlon Magazine Canada article. Nothing is ever really deleted on the web....

https://web.archive.org/...onman-70-3-syracuse/
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.


No, it's not "odd" at all. Sure, there is another side (there is always another side!), and I suspect we had a snippet of it from the earlier poster who - suspiciously on their first ever post - came on to ST to give a very implausible excuse for what happened. I'm sure something like that will be her story and she'll stick to it. If there is hard photo/video evidence of what she did, then her only possible excuse would be that she mistook the bike for a friend's, but - and assuming this is the story she wants to stick to - who was that friend and why did they want her to adjust their tire pressure just before transition closed?

And I'm sure that, just like those friends of Julie Miller and Amy Stretton, you may think this lady is a "really nice person" and no doubt she is in everyday life. But these "super nice people" also sometimes cheat in sports. That's just a fact of life. Even Canadians! :)

The only thing currently working in her favor is that she doesn't have a double letter combo in her name...

Nice and bat shit crazy competitive to the point of losing rational judgement can co exist in the same person, and Canadians are just as likely to have this tendency as Icelanders, Germans, Americans, Malaysians....we don't have an exemption on "batshit crazy competitive nice people".
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

Come on both sides really? This is as bad as the people defending the girl from NZ, thinking that somehow she maybe was just that good on the swim that day to beat all the pro men. I'm sure she just accidently found the wrong bike with all the wrong stuff on it and didn't notice.

Nust respondig to this as it's most recent. I like Fleck and all, but I don't think when you decide if she's guilty or not (which, as you must admit appears a little biased, if not actually so) as WTC has already decided- the only vote that counts. I don't see anyone complaining about the actual DQ. For once the RD beat ST to the twitchhunt
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [wetswimmer99] [ In reply to ]
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If the original poster is 100% correct, the DQ'd athlete must have been stalking the other athlete and their bike and went into action when the other athlete finally left the transition area shortly before it closed.


That's speculation worthy of Fox News!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

I'd like to hear the other side of the story...but as I posted previously...


If she was inflating someone elses tire, who were there, what as their bib, and did they give prior consent/okay with her doing this?

Why did she let air out of the tire instead of putting air in? Did a valve extender blow?

Did she even have a bike pump with her?


If there is another side of the story we sure haven't heard it besides one new account saying she supposedly was helping some unknown person. I'm struggling to find any valid reason to touch another competitors equipment in transition zone without them being there or giving them permission.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [RonanIRL] [ In reply to ]
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wetswimmer99 wrote:

If the original poster is 100% correct, the DQ'd athlete must have been stalking the other athlete and their bike and went into action when the other athlete finally left the transition area shortly before it closed.


That's speculation worthy of Fox News!

Well per the original post: The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start.


I don't see how the DQ'd athlete goes into action immediately after the victim leaves, unless they had a very close eye on the victim's whereabouts. Should I have used 'shadowed' them or 'ambushed' the prey's bike after they left? (sarcasm or sadly, maybe not in the eyes of the DQ'd athlete). Crazy.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.


No, it's not "odd" at all. Sure, there is another side (there is always another side!), and I suspect we had a snippet of it from the earlier poster who - suspiciously on their first ever post - came on to ST to give a very implausible excuse for what happened. I'm sure something like that will be her story and she'll stick to it. If there is hard photo/video evidence of what she did, then her only possible excuse would be that she mistook the bike for a friend's, but - and assuming this is the story she wants to stick to - who was that friend and why did they want her to adjust their tire pressure just before transition closed?

And I'm sure that, just like those friends of Julie Miller and Amy Stretton, you may think this lady is a "really nice person" and no doubt she is in everyday life. But these "super nice people" also sometimes cheat in sports. That's just a fact of life. Even Canadians! :)

The only thing currently working in her favor is that she doesn't have a double letter combo in her name...


Nice and bat shit crazy competitive to the point of losing rational judgement can co exist in the same person, and Canadians are just as likely to have this tendency as Icelanders, Germans, Americans, Malaysians....we don't have an exemption on "batshit crazy competitive nice people".

Not Tom Brady.


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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [EC04] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else notice that the article on triathlete.ca has been removed? Any ideas why this would be?//

Probably because the entire thing was lifted off this forum thread without any due diligence. That is why dan goes in and trims these threads and does his warnings, until he is done with his research and can write a legitimate article with some actual facts. All they really did was print you alls rush to judgement and someone figured out a lot of it is just hogwash and speculation !!!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [monty] [ In reply to ]
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so the Original poster, as well as the accounts of eyewitnesses here are lying? who knows why triathlete magazine took it down maybe she has an in with the editor, thats more plausible then her original explanation
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [chriselam] [ In reply to ]
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chriselam wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.


No, it's not "odd" at all. Sure, there is another side (there is always another side!), and I suspect we had a snippet of it from the earlier poster who - suspiciously on their first ever post - came on to ST to give a very implausible excuse for what happened. I'm sure something like that will be her story and she'll stick to it. If there is hard photo/video evidence of what she did, then her only possible excuse would be that she mistook the bike for a friend's, but - and assuming this is the story she wants to stick to - who was that friend and why did they want her to adjust their tire pressure just before transition closed?

And I'm sure that, just like those friends of Julie Miller and Amy Stretton, you may think this lady is a "really nice person" and no doubt she is in everyday life. But these "super nice people" also sometimes cheat in sports. That's just a fact of life. Even Canadians! :)

The only thing currently working in her favor is that she doesn't have a double letter combo in her name...


Nice and bat shit crazy competitive to the point of losing rational judgement can co exist in the same person, and Canadians are just as likely to have this tendency as Icelanders, Germans, Americans, Malaysians....we don't have an exemption on "batshit crazy competitive nice people".


Not Tom Brady.

Exhibit A would be the Seoul 1988 finals. If you ever met Ben Johnson he is as nice as a Teddy Bear. Seriously one of the nicest down to earth guys around, but hey, no limits doping to beat Carl Lewis (probably at the other side of the batshit crazy competitive asshole set, but Lance managed to one up him)

OK back to the thread...We have Kristen Johnson, Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, and Christiano Ronaldo all competing for GOAT status.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Those are roughly my stats... same weight, maybe lower watts but pretty good aero position... I haven't done LP in a long time (2004) but I rode it in 5:45 that year... I'm typically one of the fastest riders in my AG (e.g. 2nd fastest bike in my AG in Kona last year, won my AG at IMSA this year with fastest bike)
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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so the Original poster, as well as the accounts of eyewitnesses here are lying? who knows why triathlete magazine took it down maybe she has an in with the editor, thats more plausible then her original explanation

Actually I think Monty's guess is more plausible. The piece was just reporting the OP here, with little factual evidence (in the piece). Yes, there had been a DQ, but essentially it was a fluff piece citing an anonymous, online source. It wouldn't take much for them to decide themselves there was little merit in keeping it there, although it could also have been some threat of legal action from Ms Johnson's lawyer.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [jordanac] [ In reply to ]
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jordanac wrote:
Those are roughly my stats... same weight, maybe lower watts but pretty good aero position... I haven't done LP in a long time (2004) but I rode it in 5:45 that year... I'm typically one of the fastest riders in my AG (e.g. 2nd fastest bike in my AG in Kona last year, won my AG at IMSA this year with fastest bike)

Makes sense . Thanks!

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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.....AND the Facebook account is deactivated. I remember this happening shortly after the NZ girl incident as well. But I'm sure it is just a coincidence.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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I would assume some course of legal intervention had them take it down... But then this page would be subject to the same legal pressure.

her coach and team dropping her are the most damning... The people who know her and are her friends
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CgyTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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yea innocent people go silent and disappear.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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If it is truly the truth, (she was trying to help someone else and then left tires low on air without alerting others) she has zero integrity and lacks a conscience.


Agreed - if there was malicious intent!

But . . . were you there? Did you see all of this unfold? Have you heard directly from, BOTH parties?

Again - I don't know all the details either. I just find it fascinating and and interesting study in human nature and behavior, that all we have is some crude details, from one side of a story, and almost everyone, piles right on!

Fascinating for sure, but this is really just a little exaggerated version of how media and propaganda works, how political campigns attempt to sway public opinion in their favour, how one assembles support for a war, etc.. *ponderings-of-life over, carry on*
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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At Eagleman in 2014 I had my di2 battery unplugged basically giving my a fixie before I figured out what happened. I ended up signing up for Tremblant and KQ'd there so karma was on my side.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [lovegoat] [ In reply to ]
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lovegoat wrote:
Fleck wrote:
If it is truly the truth, (she was trying to help someone else and then left tires low on air without alerting others) she has zero integrity and lacks a conscience.


Agreed - if there was malicious intent!

But . . . were you there? Did you see all of this unfold? Have you heard directly from, BOTH parties?

Again - I don't know all the details either. I just find it fascinating and and interesting study in human nature and behavior, that all we have is some crude details, from one side of a story, and almost everyone, piles right on!


Fascinating for sure, but this is really just a little exaggerated version of how media and propaganda works, how political campigns attempt to sway public opinion in their favour, how one assembles support for a war, etc.. *ponderings-of-life over, carry on*

I think what is also (more) fascinating is how friends and acquaintances tend to want to believe the accused, despite strong evidence of their guilt. It's a bit like the people who are holding placards in support of Bill Cosby. In fact, those 'protesters' are even more weird, assuming they are not actually 'real' friends of Cosby, but rather just die-hard TV fans. Something like 50 women have accused him of improper acts and yet some people still think there's a giant conspiracy against him?! Of course it feeds into politics too, moreso when you have a politician who also has a TV fan base. The fact that Trump can be caught on tape saying he can grab a woman where he wants and then still get elected is pretty incredible. People's biases are very hard to overcome, whether it's born out of a friendship or 'fandom.' Fleck is a smart guy, and yet even he seems to have fallen into this 'friendship bias' (for want of a better term).

...and Fleck: if you are privy to a believable other side to the story, let's hear it!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Scott_D] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure what your setup is, but I have done this accidentally. It's actually pretty easy to do without realizing.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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seeksTrijustice wrote:
yea innocent people go silent and disappear.

Mike Rossi says he's innocent, but he has yet to go silent and disappear

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [seeksTrijustice] [ In reply to ]
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I would assume some course of legal intervention had them take it down... But then this page would be subject to the same legal pressure.

her coach and team dropping her are the most damning... The people who know her and are her friends //

This is why they took it down, everything you just wrote you just made up from what you read on this blog. You don't know that her team or coach just dropped her, but you read it on the internet and now propose it as fact. I have actually heard something else that conflicts with this, and I didn't read it on the internet, and will wait for real investigators to finish up their jobs before I start purporting things as facts.


Maybe you are right in that there was some legal action against triathlete mag, or maybe I'm right. I put forth a theory of what I think may have happened, at this point still going with it. (on the article takedown thing)
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hear hear, oky who ever is wrong buys the first round
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yea innocent people go silent and disappear.

I struggle with this part. This sport is a huge part of my lifestyle. My family makes sacrifices so I can train. My family and friends wake up stupid early to support me. Etc. etc. etc. If ANYBODY ever questioned my integrity while racing I would fiercely defend myself....which in most cases this is simply posting a GARMIN file. Not sure what she could do in this situation since it's not a 'timing' issue.

Just don't touch other peoples shit.

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Given that she tried to get the husband of the affected athlete to quiet down and not call the officials over, I would say that she knew she was doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing. When the official came over to try to figure out what was going on, she went over to the husband and exchanged words to make him drop it. He had a camera with a telephoto lens and said he took pictures of her messing with the bike. I didn't see her actually touch the bike, but heard/ saw all of the commotion after the husband started yelling.
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.....AND the Facebook account is deactivated. I remember this happening shortly after the NZ girl incident as well. But I'm sure it is just a coincidence.

I'm sure.

So a friend tells you to go pump up their tires. Okay cool, no big deal, emergency bathroom break got there late whatever. It happens.

You go over to the bike and put the pump on and push it and it reads 150psi, since that's what half the people think they should pump their tires to.
You Probably think that's weird because why would your friend who you hit upside the head with a 2x4 last week for pumping up his tires that high ask you to pump his tires up. You check the bike and go oh crap wrong one and go to the correct bike. Given that it's almost a guarentee whoever the athlete was checked their tires before they left transition it should have been pretty simple to realize it was the wrong bike.

There is no situation where the person ends up with less tire pressure than before without it being on purpose or a complete newbie and they let out half the air while trying to fill it.

If that is really the case it was somehow an accident, you should be able to show the numbers were close to your friends or the bike was similar etc. the refs can talk to the friend. Your manner if that happened would just be completely different when talking to the officials.

Like someone else said if really you just screwed up with the wrong bike then why I'm the world do you delete your FB. You go "I made a mistake trying to help out one of my friends and ended up messing with a different persons bike. Although I didn't mean to do this to a fellow competitor I understand the reason they dqed me, and will be more careful next time" And go on with your life.

You can come on here say oh they were both p5-x with zipp wheels I wasn't paying too much attention trying to not stare because their ugliness might have blinded me before the race. Witch hunt done.

This isn't a hard thing to solve if you really didn't do anything.
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I am doing the due diligence and writing the story. Have several photos. Have quotes from the other competitor. The spouse who witnessed it and even one short line from the accused.

But no real response from officials yet, but I saw that they "saw it."

Herbert



monty wrote:
Anyone else notice that the article on triathlete.ca has been removed? Any ideas why this would be?//

Probably because the entire thing was lifted off this forum thread without any due diligence. That is why dan goes in and trims these threads and does his warnings, until he is done with his research and can write a legitimate article with some actual facts. All they really did was print you alls rush to judgement and someone figured out a lot of it is just hogwash and speculation !!!
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
... if really you just screwed up with the wrong bike...

If only bikes in triathlon transition areas had some kind of mandatory, unique identifier that could be used to prevent that kind of innocent mistake..
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OK back to the thread...We have Kristen Johnson, Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, and Christiano Ronaldo all competing for GOAT status.


Hmm. Lionel MeSSi. Convicted tax cheat. I'm really starting to believe in this whole double letter thing...
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WelshinPhilly wrote:

Someone needs to photoshop the logo with the balloon loosing air. I don't have the skillset to do it.
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Herbert wrote:
I am doing the due diligence and writing the story. Have several photos. Have quotes from the other competitor. The spouse who witnessed it and even one short line from the accused.

But no real response from officials yet, but I saw that they "saw it."

Herbert



monty wrote:
Anyone else notice that the article on triathlete.ca has been removed? Any ideas why this would be?//

Probably because the entire thing was lifted off this forum thread without any due diligence. That is why dan goes in and trims these threads and does his warnings, until he is done with his research and can write a legitimate article with some actual facts. All they really did was print you alls rush to judgement and someone figured out a lot of it is just hogwash and speculation !!!


Looking forward to it. Will this be out before the aero bike test?
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
... if really you just screwed up with the wrong bike...

If only bikes in triathlon transition areas had some kind of mandatory, unique identifier that could be used to prevent that kind of innocent mistake..

Hence the rest of the paragraph that you cut off saying you should be able to show the bike or numbers were close.
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It will be out soon - correct
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OK back to the thread...We have Kristen Johnson, Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, and Christiano Ronaldo all competing for GOAT status.


Hmm. Lionel MeSSi. Convicted tax cheat. I'm really starting to believe in this whole double letter thing...

Everyone thought I was kidding when I discovered it, didn't they?

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5755921#p5755921

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Running mom wrote:
seeksTrijustice wrote:
Her run times vary pretty astronomically month to month...


1) it is a pretty common name- Are you sure all the run times are the same person?

2) sometimes I run local races with friends, with my kids, with my husband--- some women run pregnant, post-partum with and without strollers. So running times can be all over the place.

Not sure what the outcome of the Tonya Harding/ Nancy Kerrigan situation will be here-but there can be lots of reasons for variability in run times that don't mean anything.

I agree. I have a common name for women my age, and there are a few common spellings, which has resulted in my name being misspelled in the results of a few races. I have tried looking myself up and find very mixed results, including some that indicate I have DNF'd a HIM at least once a year. For the official record, I have never DNF'd a race, even when I had food poisoning.

So yeah, while the video certainly points to guilty, I wouldn't paint everyone who has that name with the same brush.
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Was on my P5, I went over everything the night before. My junction box was ripped right off with the plastic holder snapped. I had the race mechanic check it over and he agreed that it was something malicious. He ended up writing a letter to Ironman which helped me get into Tremblant.
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happyscientist wrote:

I agree. I have a common name for women my age,

Just a wild guess



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That "Mango" song is still my favourite work of Doughty's.
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Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.
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RandMart wrote:
Donkey Kong wrote:
OK back to the thread...We have Kristen Johnson, Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, and Christiano Ronaldo all competing for GOAT status.


Hmm. Lionel MeSSi. Convicted tax cheat. I'm really starting to believe in this whole double letter thing...


Everyone thought I was kidding when I discovered it, didn't they?

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5755921#p5755921

Do we need some blockchain mining algorithm running on NVidia GPUs to figure out the "next one"?
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Mike Alexander wrote:
WelshinPhilly wrote:


Someone needs to photoshop the logo with the balloon loosing air. I don't have the skillset to do it.

Just want to confirm if the balloon is latex or butyl?
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Italian Style Sabotage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTZ0N7VTDtY
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luckily I am too slow to be a threat and therefore don't have to worry about this kind of racer on racer violence
No shit, I'm tempted to hang up the bike and running shoes and head for Dairy Queen just thinking about the fact that every misstep I ever made in a race was my own fault.
(NOTE: not Dairy Queen, 3B's Ice Cream; but none of you know about their awesomeness)

Brian

Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots, take a long, long drive
I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive
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ergopower wrote:
seeksTrijustice wrote:
luckily I am too slow to be a threat and therefore don't have to worry about this kind of racer on racer violence

No shit, I'm tempted to hang up the bike and running shoes and head for Dairy Queen just thinking about the fact that every misstep I ever made in a race was my own fault.
(NOTE: not Dairy Queen, 3B's Ice Cream; but none of you know about their awesomeness)

What do you mean? Doesn't everyone know about 3B's awesomeness? :-D

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mistyped wrote:
Italian Style Sabotage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTZ0N7VTDtY

Strangletage



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Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.

I pray that it's not Kelly Roberts

She has her own category on MarathonInvestigation.com

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/category/kelly-roberts

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TriMyBest wrote:
ergopower wrote:
seeksTrijustice wrote:
luckily I am too slow to be a threat and therefore don't have to worry about this kind of racer on racer violence

No shit, I'm tempted to hang up the bike and running shoes and head for Dairy Queen just thinking about the fact that every misstep I ever made in a race was my own fault.
(NOTE: not Dairy Queen, 3B's Ice Cream; but none of you know about their awesomeness)


What do you mean? Doesn't everyone know about 3B's awesomeness? :-D

We do now!
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Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.

HA!...why didn't you mention that when you posted!
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happyscientist wrote:
Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.

I've been in a Half Iron where someone with my same name, exact same spelling, was in my AG

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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I would assume some course of legal intervention had them take it down... But then this page would be subject to the same legal pressure.

her coach and team dropping her are the most damning... The people who know her and are her friends

But did she at least get a trucker hat?
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Steve-oH! wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Do you know the athlete personally?


Yes.

BUT as I have said here repeatedly, and I hope you and others are clear, it seems odd that almost 100% of people have defaulted to one side of this story. YES, there is compelling evidence to do that, but there IS another side to this story. I'm not picking a side nor advocating for one side or the other - just waiting to hear it ALL, before I fully decide.


HA!...why didn't you mention that when you posted!

Steve will have called her on the finish line of many Ontario events with her current and maiden name. Considering how many times she has got on the podium he would know her fairly well.

I like his 'lets hear both sides' approach but some thing do stand out.

The RD has had no problem issuing an immediate DQ.
Her tri club changed this facebook banner yesterday from one that included her.(I dont think she is in the new one).
If you were innocent I think you would try to get out in front of this and issue some sort of statement.
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japarker24 wrote:
happyscientist wrote:
Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.


I've been in a Half Iron where someone with my same name, exact same spelling, was in my AG

Then there's the case of the Two Mike Rossi's

letsrun.com wrote:
Mike Rossi the runner and [former] DJ / radio personality who you ARE LOOKING FOR works for 92.5 WXTU FM in Philadelphia. His participation at the 2015 Boston Marathon was mentioned in a brief blurb on their site:

The other Mike Rossi in radio, the non runner and the man who you are NOT LOOKING FOR works at 93.7 WSTW-FM in Wilmington, Delaware, which is about twenty five miles away.

The two men named Mike Rossi have apparently met in professional circles (broadcasting groups, I suppose) but they are two different men.

Actually, upon further investigation, I think it was it was discovered that the DE Mike Rossi also runs, and in the same AG as the Cheater Mike Rossi

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HA!...why didn't you mention that when you posted!


I did, I said almost the very same, in my first post on the thread (#136) and repeated in every subsequent one - and for that, - just suggesting, that with out taking sides, that there be balance, and a full story from all all angles/parties - and I've been attacked for that!


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RandMart wrote:
happyscientist wrote:
Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.


I pray that it's not Kelly Roberts

She has her own category on MarathonInvestigation.comhttps://www.marathoninvestigation.com/category/kelly-roberts[/quote[/url]]

Thank goodness, no. I would just look like a quitter if you did a twitch hunt.
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japarker24 wrote:
happyscientist wrote:
Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.


I've been in a Half Iron where someone with my same name, exact same spelling, was in my AG

I am sure that wasn't confusing at all.
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Fleck wrote:
HA!...why didn't you mention that when you posted!


I did, I said almost the very same, in my first post on the thread (#136) and repeated in every subsequent one - and for that, - just suggesting, that with out taking sides, that there be balance, and a full story from all all angles/parties - and I've been attacked for that!

I think he's referring to the fact that you know her/

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I think he's referring to the fact that you know her/

What are you (or he) suggesting?


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Fleck wrote:
I think he's referring to the fact that you know her/

What are you (or he) suggesting?


C'mon Fleck, the other poster was saying essentially, "Why didn't you tell us that you know her when you are telling us that we need to hear both sides of the story first." I guess I don't get how you didn't understand that or understand when the other poster was pointing that out to you. What did you think he was suggesting?

Edited to add: I guess if we are suggesting anything, it is that you might have "friendship bias".
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happyscientist wrote:
japarker24 wrote:
happyscientist wrote:
Nope. But I did go to school with a few. It is also not Heather, if that was your second guess. My first and last name are so common that I had one race with someone who had the same name, but a different spelling.


I've been in a Half Iron where someone with my same name, exact same spelling, was in my AG


I am sure that wasn't confusing at all.

I had a DNS at IMMT a few years ago. There was some guy with my exact name (down to using the same nickname for race registrations) who was in the one of the older AG's and he killed it in his AG (top 5 or 10). Got like 4500 point for the AWA ranking. His points showed up on my IM account for a couple of months after the race. I emailed IM several times during that time period to tell them that the 4500 points were credited to the wrong person. They eventually fixed it.

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C'mon Fleck, the other poster was saying essentially, "Why didn't you tell us that you know her when you are telling us that we need to hear both sides of the story first." I guess I don't get how you didn't understand that or understand when the other poster was pointing that out to you. What did you think he was suggesting?

Edited to add: I guess if we are suggesting anything, it is that you might have "friendship bias".


How much do you think I know her? You and others seem to be inferring that because I "know" her*, I am taking her side - when in fact I have never said or implied anything like that - only suggesting that the whole of this story needs to be looked at. That's all! But apparently, here, that opens you up to be attacked and beaten up, for taking the other side. Interesting!

Again, what I find fascinating about this whole thing is how nearly 100% of the people on this thread have defaulted automatically to the one narrative. Now, I can see how that can be compelling, but all I was suggesting, ounce again is, shouldn't the WHOLE of the story, from ALL angles be looked at?


*It's in a VERY limited way




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I think you're overreacting about being attacked and beaten up. At worst, you've been accused of 'friendship bias'.

You have made your point several times, but yes, most of the posters here are siding with the RD, USAT and WTC who have much more information than we all do, and have come to the conclusion that her actions were worthy of a DQ.

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interesting in that EVERY TIME I inflate my tires, the first thing I do is push the valve in to see it works. Therefore air comes out. Duly noting, that is a 1 second obsessive compulsive behavior pattern. At times I repeat it 2 to 3 times. I will be interested to see what Herbert's story entails.

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A further update as reported in Triathlon Magazine Canada and posted on Twitter.

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As we reported yesterday, a Canadian age-grouper was disqualified for sabotaging another athlete’s bicycle prior to the start of the race at Sunday’s Ironman 70.3 Syracuse. Triathlon Magazine Canada was able to confirm with the Ironman 70.3 Syracuse race director, that the athlete, St. Catharines, Ont.’s Kristen Johnson, who competes in the 40 to 44 age-group, was disqualified at the race. According to unconfirmed reports she was disqualified for letting the air out of a competitor’s tire before the race, and that decision was made based on video taken by a spectator.

Johnson is an accomplished age-group triathlete who placed fourth in her division at Kona last year.

We reached Johnson earlier today both by phone and email.

“I am in the middle of being admitted to a… health facility and can’t deal with this,” she wrote in an email. “I did nothing wrong.”




In our phone conversation with Johnson she reiterated that she was being admitted to hospital and would not be making any other statements at this time.

Johnson, who previously worked as a teacher at the District School Board of Niagara, appears to have been dealing with many issues over the last few years.

She was disciplined by the Ontario College of Teachers in May, 2016. She had been arrested in February, 2014 and charged with fraud. Shortly after that she was also charged with “possession of property obtained by crime,” according to the decision posted on the Ontario College of Teachers website. (In the decisions Johnson is referred to as Kristen Michelle Tamburrino.)

The Ontario College of Teachers Magazine Professionally Speaking reported in its December, 2016 issue:

“Between November 2013 and January 2014, Tamburrino took someone’s bank card without his consent and used it to withdraw a total of about $1,140 from his bank account.”
“In October 2014, she (Johnson) pleaded guilty to the “possession under” charge. She received a conditional discharge and was placed on probation for 12 months. The fraud charge was withdrawn. The Discipline Committee panel found her guilty of professional misconduct and ordered that she appear before the panel immediately after the hearing to be reprimanded.She was also directed to successfully complete, at her own expense, a course in ethics. In its decision, the panel stated, â€The Committee finds that the Member’s dishonest and illegal conduct warrants a reprimand by her peers.’”
In reaching out to members of the St. Catharines multi-sport community, many expressed concerns about Johnson’s health.

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I just saw this. Well I guess there's a reason that studies have shown liars , cheats and thieves all go hand in hand. Black and white proof.

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WelshinPhilly wrote:
Grant.Reuter wrote:
... if really you just screwed up with the wrong bike...

If only bikes in triathlon transition areas had some kind of mandatory, unique identifier that could be used to prevent that kind of innocent mistake..

Even if accidental, wouldn't it still be a DQ?

My dad once accidently left T2 with someone else's shoes. It was his first tri, at a local sprint. He somehow managed to park his bike at the wrong spot, and ran off with the wrong shoes. They were the same make/model but one rack over and a different size. My guess is that he was looking for his shoes as a marker for where his transition spot was and got fixated on them (instead of his gym bag) and in the heat of the moment didn't notice the size difference. We still tease him about it.

At any rate, it was perfectly accidental but still deserved the DQ.

Even if hypothetically accidental, her actions impeded another competitor. Someone of her calibre should know better whose bike is whose.
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Kona Dreamin wrote:
A further update as reported in Triathlon Magazine Canada and posted on Twitter.

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As we reported yesterday, a Canadian age-grouper was disqualified for sabotaging another athlete’s bicycle prior to the start of the race at Sunday’s Ironman 70.3 Syracuse. Triathlon Magazine Canada was able to confirm with the Ironman 70.3 Syracuse race director, that the athlete, St. Catharines, Ont.’s Kristen Johnson, who competes in the 40 to 44 age-group, was disqualified at the race. According to unconfirmed reports she was disqualified for letting the air out of a competitor’s tire before the race, and that decision was made based on video taken by a spectator.

Johnson is an accomplished age-group triathlete who placed fourth in her division at Kona last year.

We reached Johnson earlier today both by phone and email.

“I am in the middle of being admitted to a… health facility and can’t deal with this,” she wrote in an email. “I did nothing wrong.”




In our phone conversation with Johnson she reiterated that she was being admitted to hospital and would not be making any other statements at this time.

Johnson, who previously worked as a teacher at the District School Board of Niagara, appears to have been dealing with many issues over the last few years.

She was disciplined by the Ontario College of Teachers in May, 2016. She had been arrested in February, 2014 and charged with fraud. Shortly after that she was also charged with “possession of property obtained by crime,” according to the decision posted on the Ontario College of Teachers website. (In the decisions Johnson is referred to as Kristen Michelle Tamburrino.)

The Ontario College of Teachers Magazine Professionally Speaking reported in its December, 2016 issue:

“Between November 2013 and January 2014, Tamburrino took someone’s bank card without his consent and used it to withdraw a total of about $1,140 from his bank account.”
“In October 2014, she (Johnson) pleaded guilty to the “possession under” charge. She received a conditional discharge and was placed on probation for 12 months. The fraud charge was withdrawn. The Discipline Committee panel found her guilty of professional misconduct and ordered that she appear before the panel immediately after the hearing to be reprimanded.She was also directed to successfully complete, at her own expense, a course in ethics. In its decision, the panel stated, â€The Committee finds that the Member’s dishonest and illegal conduct warrants a reprimand by her peers.’”
In reaching out to members of the St. Catharines multi-sport community, many expressed concerns about Johnson’s health.

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Quick, Herbert, you are getting scooped!

Needs a more aero keyboard.
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Bryancd wrote:


Quick, Herbert, you are getting scooped!


Needs a more aero keyboard.

Keyboard's aero enough, but he didn't consult with a good fitter and bought one with the wrong stack and reach, so he'll never find a fast aero position on it.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kona Dreamin] [ In reply to ]
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Geez did her an NZ girl take the same class?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kona Dreamin] [ In reply to ]
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A further update as reported in Triathlon Magazine Canada and posted on Twitter.

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blah blah blah, blah blah blah. (In the decisions Johnson is referred to as Kristen Michelle Tamburrino.)

blah blah blah.

yep, guilty

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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so is it a mental health facility? can't think of anything else that would come before "health facility"?

hopefully, she gets help if that is the case.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [rhys] [ In reply to ]
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interesting in that EVERY TIME I inflate my tires, the first thing I do is push the valve in to see it works. Therefore air comes out. Duly noting, that is a 1 second obsessive compulsive behavior pattern. At times I repeat it 2 to 3 times. I will be interested to see what Herbert's story entails.

I do this same thing. I don't know why, but I can't not do it.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Multisportsdad] [ In reply to ]
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Well, there you go...


(In the decisions Johnson is referred to as Kristen Michelle Tamburrino

QED
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Again, what I find fascinating about this whole thing is how nearly 100% of the people on this thread have defaulted automatically to the one narrative. Now, I can see how that can be compelling, but all I was suggesting, ounce again is, shouldn't the WHOLE of the story, from ALL angles be looked at?

Well, this won't be a popular opinion but....

I'm with Fleck.

There are two sides to the story. Here are the FACTS that I've seen:

1) She was DQ'ed

That's pretty much it. The rest is people who saw part of what went down (and may lack context) or people who are conjecturing on what might have happened, or sharing their own similar experiences.

I'm not defending her. If it's true (and the DQ to me implies that investigation was undertaken by the officials already so it's clearly true) then she shouldn't race again. Anywhere. Ever.

Having said that, I look forward to the facts coming forward. It won't change my mind about anything (again - DQ = investigation = evidence pointing to guilt) but I'd like to know what happened even if it just means we can quit speculating on what might have / could have happened.

p.s. I don't know her. I don't know Fleck although he's done a few races I've been in, but I was very very careful to stay off the podium so we wouldn't meet.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kona Dreamin] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, just wow. Hopefully she gets the needed help on many levels.
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Fleck wrote:
Again, what I find fascinating about this whole thing is how nearly 100% of the people on this thread have defaulted automatically to the one narrative. Now, I can see how that can be compelling, but all I was suggesting, ounce again is, shouldn't the WHOLE of the story, from ALL angles be looked at?


Well, this won't be a popular opinion but....

I'm with Fleck.

There are two sides to the story. Here are the FACTS that I've seen:

1) She was DQ'ed

That's pretty much it. The rest is people who saw part of what went down (and may lack context) or people who are conjecturing on what might have happened, or sharing their own similar experiences.

I'm not defending her. If it's true (and the DQ to me implies that investigation was undertaken by the officials already so it's clearly true) then she shouldn't race again. Anywhere. Ever.

Having said that, I look forward to the facts coming forward. It won't change my mind about anything (again - DQ = investigation = evidence pointing to guilt) but I'd like to know what happened even if it just means we can quit speculating on what might have / could have happened.

p.s. I don't know her. I don't know Fleck although he's done a few races I've been in, but I was very very careful to stay off the podium so we wouldn't meet.

Judging by the most recent revelations, Fleck was indeed right that we do not have the whole story, or all the angles. This is way bigger than most of us thought.
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Durhamskier wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Again, what I find fascinating about this whole thing is how nearly 100% of the people on this thread have defaulted automatically to the one narrative. Now, I can see how that can be compelling, but all I was suggesting, ounce again is, shouldn't the WHOLE of the story, from ALL angles be looked at?


Well, this won't be a popular opinion but....

I'm with Fleck.

There are two sides to the story. Here are the FACTS that I've seen:

1) She was DQ'ed

That's pretty much it. The rest is people who saw part of what went down (and may lack context) or people who are conjecturing on what might have happened, or sharing their own similar experiences.

I'm not defending her. If it's true (and the DQ to me implies that investigation was undertaken by the officials already so it's clearly true) then she shouldn't race again. Anywhere. Ever.

Having said that, I look forward to the facts coming forward. It won't change my mind about anything (again - DQ = investigation = evidence pointing to guilt) but I'd like to know what happened even if it just means we can quit speculating on what might have / could have happened.

p.s. I don't know her. I don't know Fleck although he's done a few races I've been in, but I was very very careful to stay off the podium so we wouldn't meet.


Judging by the most recent revelations, Fleck was indeed right that we do not have the whole story, or all the angles. This is way bigger than most of us thought.

I understand what you are saying. However, nobody was claiming they had the whole story...we are going off what we do know...she was DQ'd based on some facts/proof.

Also, "hospital" does not necessarily mean mental hospital....she could have cut herself fixing dinner and is in the ER for sutures.
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I'm curious as to why you and others keep reffering to the RD as the one giving out the DQ when in fact this should be done by an impartial party AKA as a referee...
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I'm curious as to why you and others keep reffering to the RD as the one giving out the DQ when in fact this should be done by an impartial party AKA as a referee...

I didn't.
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A further update as reported in Triathlon Magazine Canada and posted on Twitter.

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We reached Johnson earlier today both by phone and email.

“I am in the middle of being admitted to a… health facility and can’t deal with this,” she wrote in an email. “I did nothing wrong.”

In reaching out to members of the St. Catharines multi-sport community, many expressed concerns about Johnson’s health.

Yikes... as upset as messing with the safety of someone for a competitive advantage makes me I can't help but feel sorry for her. Obviously she has issues that she needs help with. Hopefully she gets that help.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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whoever said it before. Bat.Shit.Crazy.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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I wasn't replying to your post lol
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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so is it a mental health facility? can't think of anything else that would come before "health facility"?

hopefully, she gets help if that is the case.

Yes, sounds like she needs treatment for her stealingcheatingitis.

Fleck, is the 'prior' for fraud the "other side of the story?"
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Kona Dreamin wrote:
A further update as reported in Triathlon Magazine Canada and posted on Twitter.

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We reached Johnson earlier today both by phone and email.

“I am in the middle of being admitted to a… health facility and can’t deal with this,” she wrote in an email. “I did nothing wrong.”

In reaching out to members of the St. Catharines multi-sport community, many expressed concerns about Johnson’s health.

Yikes... as upset as messing with the safety of someone for a competitive advantage makes me I can't help but feel sorry for her. Obviously she has issues that she needs help with. Hopefully she gets that help.

Oh ffs, needs help? It's called, learning your actions have consequences.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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A true OCD will then check the pressure again after the pfft test. And the pressure will be 0.23 psi low. Then....:)
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Why are you pilling it on Fleck for being a reasonable/logical person? He didn't argue the DQ but just said that we didn't have all the fact of the story which is true (and it's true whether or not he knows her).
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You're right. I apologize.
I understand where he was coming from. I just found it interesting from a human nature perspective that the one person here who had met her was calling for hearing her side of the story, when the facts we knew already painted a fairly damning picture.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Great picture. Looks like a spy shot picture of someone sabotaging race equipment... and that's exactly what it was! Luckily the competitor's husband actually heard the air coming out, as the odds are super high DQ lady would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't such a serendipitous moment for her husband to go take pictures of her bike at that random minute before race start.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Front page article now up:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...tor_s_bike_6414.html


Guilty & Delusional. And as others have said. Bat Shit Crazy. Thanks for the article Dan/Herbert. Maybe she will come to her senses one day.


I really wish she would speak out, I fear she is not alone in her actions and this could be a wake up call for anyone else as mentally toasted as Kristen is.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [wetswimmer99] [ In reply to ]
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lol at the look on her face in the photo. BUSTED!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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Stop . We only have one side of the story ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Im-a-miler wrote:
I can't believe it- its one thing to dope to better ones own performance but to sabatoage another persons race, even safety, is on a completely different level.

what if someone didn't see it happen and the competitor got on their bike then took a spill? I'd push for a criminal charge.

You know, the more I think of it, I would like to see some jail time. That person is a daughter, of someone, maybe a mom, a sister too. Kirsten took that woman's life into her hand with this cheap shot. Definitely criminal charge of some kind is in order. Can local police be alerted to this matter regardless of what Ironman does (any NY state law people out there) ?

Being in law enforcement for 15 years I've seen many people go to mental health facilities immediately upon arrest and while undergoing investigation. It's very hard to bring charges on someone who has a mental health diagnosis that could explain their actions. I will also say I've seen people seek mental health who truly needed it.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry I have no idea what you are asking there?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.


Now that we're past the "two sides to every story" lets discuss punishment and consequences. The criminal (EDIT - replace mischief) tampering in the 3rd degree occurred at a WTC and USAT sanctioned event and she is a member of the Canadian Triathlon Federation. Suspension in all 3 governing bodies is a no-brainer but for how long? I Assume her team and coach have already dropped her-If not, would love their input. How about criminal charges or would Sharon need to be injured or dead for that to happen?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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This one has followed the same path as so many before it. Smoke, then fire, then people arguing that all the facts aren't in, then more damning facts, until only the most naive' cannot see it for what it is.

A 'DQ' is insufficient punishment for this infraction. A lifetime ban, at least from WTC, is definitely in order. Tri Canada should also review the case for the possibility of a suspension ala JM.
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Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.


Now that we're past the "two sides to every story" lets discuss punishment and consequences. The criminal mischief occurred at a WTC and USAT sanctioned event and she is a member of the Canadian Triathlon Federation. Suspension in all 3 governing bodies is a no-brainer but for how long? I Assume her team and coach have already dropped her-If not, would love their input. How about criminal charges or would Sharon need to be injured or dead for that to happen?

I don't think that part in bold is up to WTC. Local police would need to lay charges for that. Not sure what NY state law or Syracuse area municipal law would apply. Maybe some of the legal guys around here can pipe in, but it seems someone would need to approach the police to lay charges. If I recall in the case of Vancouver Canucks player Todd Bertuzzi who attacked a Colorado Avalanche player steve Moore, when criminal charges were laid for an on ice pre meditated attack, the police had to go out of their way to lay charges, its not like the NHL brought the case to the police....but that was public all over the media, so it was easy for the police to dive in. Seriously though tampering with the safety of another athlete is deserving of some charge in the court of law. This to me is way beyond sport.


In any case if you don't know the case I am referring to above here is the link on the full story: http://www.cbc.ca/...tuzzi-case-1.2756008
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Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.

Now that we're past the "two sides to every story" lets discuss punishment and consequences. The criminal mischief occurred at a WTC and USAT sanctioned event and she is a member of the Canadian Triathlon Federation. Suspension in all 3 governing bodies is a no-brainer but for how long? I Assume her team and coach have already dropped her-If not, would love their input. How about criminal charges or would Sharon need to be injured or dead for that to happen?

Sharon would have to be a victim willing to come to court and testify. There are laws that cover this , you can endanger someone and face a criminal charge without actually causing any injury. I think it would be hard to prove intent to cause injury , but could someone prove Kristen recklessly did something and should know the possibility of injury that could occur from her actions? I would believe so.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Diehl78] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, she's not going to jail for this.

You can run over cyclists with your car and kill them in our country and nothing happens to you. Letting a little air out of a tire is not even a drop in the bucket.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

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Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?

I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!

Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?

Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!

Steve, for what it is worth I found the foregoing post to be very reasonable at the time it was posted -- whether you knew Kristen or not. At that point, I had not seen anything other than anonymous allegations as to the reason for the DQ (could be I missed something in my reading of the thread though). I was holding out until someone posted a story based on their investigation or their observation and were willing to put their name to it. I'm sure this is small consolation for the grief you've -- undeservedly imo -- received. Sometimes the lynch mob gets it right, and when that happens, one won't be very popular arguing about process.

Thankfully no one was hurt. I hope Kristen gets the help she needs. I hope also that the sporting authorities take appropriate actions.

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I don't think the lynch mob often gets it right. They're just oftentimes comforted in the knowledge that the person they anointed the devil is in fact guilty. Of something.

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Just playing devils advocate here, looking down from 30,000 ft., and asking, is there another side to this story?


I find it fascinating that 100% of the people on here and elsewhere, have taken ONE side of this story - not knowing ANYTHING else!


Is that what they/you do in life - ONLY look at one story, and closing ALL other options/facts/details out?


Let me be VERY clear - I don't know all the details here, either! This is NOT supporting one side, or individuals of this story or the other - just advocating for getting ALL the information, before rushing to judgement!


I agree that your post is very reasonable. I jumped in earlier only because she was disqualified and I assumed she wouldn't have been so quickly without clear evidence.

You shouldn't be criticized for being a voice of reason.
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I don't think the lynch mob often gets it right. They're just oftentimes comforted in the knowledge that the person they anointed the devil is in fact guilty. Of something.

I stand corrected. I should have said that when the lynch mob gets a bad guy, they will not listen to any argument about the process.

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can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

If she was hurt as a result of a deflated tire, I assume everyone's position would be quite different? I am not so quick to let someone off the hook who tampers with safety critical nature of my bike gear.
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Slowman wrote:
can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

If she was hurt as a result of a deflated tire, I assume everyone's position would be quite different? I am not so quick to let someone off the hook who tampers with safety critical nature of my bike gear.

X2 agreed . Saying unequivocally there's nothing criminal here is a stretch. A sound argument could be made that it was indeed a criminal act. Will that argument ever actually be made? I highly doubt it .

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Slowman wrote:
I don't think the lynch mob often gets it right. They're just oftentimes comforted in the knowledge that the person they anointed the devil is in fact guilty. Of something.


Your front page article and the triathlon Canada article paint a complicated picture of this lady and she has been in fact previously guilty of... somethings. Hopefully this is a wake up call and she takes care of herself, whatever that might be.
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Slowman wrote:
can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

you're right. we should wait till someone gets hurt or dies from this type of incident before we view it as a criminal offense. cus you know, that makes the most sense.

we also shouldn't punish people for things, you know, cus their family will suffer.

this doesn't need less throttle, it needs more. either wtc and or the triathlon community takes this seriously, or athletes will take this into their own hands. then you'll have 2 sporting events, triathlon, then the ufc.

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Slowman wrote:
can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

If she was hurt as a result of a deflated tire, I assume everyone's position would be quite different? I am not so quick to let someone off the hook who tampers with safety critical nature of my bike gear.

Anyone suggesting criminal charges or jail time has a screw loose themselves.
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wetswimmer99 wrote:
Slowman wrote:
I don't think the lynch mob often gets it right. They're just oftentimes comforted in the knowledge that the person they anointed the devil is in fact guilty. Of something.


Your front page article and the triathlon Canada article paint a complicated picture of this lady and she has been in fact previously guilty of... somethings. Hopefully this is a wake up call and she takes care of herself, whatever that might be.

Letting air out of an "enemy's" tires is standard issue grade-school misbehaviour in Canada. I had a kooky neighbour that did something so hilarious I couldn't help myself from laughing. Next day my Jeep tires were flat, valve cores gone (hidden sneaky-side only of course). I had spare cores and wheeled the big compressor up to the road, no harm done.

But we Canadians aren't always on the cheat. In fact this very last race I did, a fellow competitor was looking frantically for a tube. That morning I chucked one in my car so I handed it over without question. He offered me compensation and I flatly refused. But I didn't tell him it had a slow leak :)

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Slowman wrote:
can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.

you're right. we should wait till someone gets hurt or dies from this type of incident before we view it as a criminal offense. cus you know, that makes the most sense.

we also shouldn't punish people for things, you know, cus their family will suffer.

this doesn't need less throttle, it needs more. either wtc and or the triathlon community takes this seriously, or athletes will take this into their own hands. then you'll have 2 sporting events, triathlon, then the ufc.

john

What, a bunch of AG women are gonna head up to Canada and give her an old fashioned beating? Or see her at a race and snap her wheels in half and throw them at her???
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Should be asked to find another sport or told she's not welcome in ours!
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devashish_paul wrote:
Slowman wrote:
can we throttle this back a little? nothing criminal happened here. there are parties here who're going to pay a heavy price, and thankfully whatever might've happened to Ms. Schmidt-Mongrain didn't happen.

i never get the glee some people feel over these kinds of things. there are husbands, parents, kids, that are affected by this, and who are themselves innocent but are going to pay a price anyway.


If she was hurt as a result of a deflated tire, I assume everyone's position would be quite different? I am not so quick to let someone off the hook who tampers with safety critical nature of my bike gear.


Anyone suggesting criminal charges or jail time has a screw loose themselves.

While I have no knowledge of US law on this issue, I'm always fascinated by the fact that people have a tendency to excuse possibly harmfull behaviour by the fact that no-one got hurt. Where do you draw the line? A few (exaggerated, I'll admit, to make my point) examples:

- Drunk driving your car 60 mph through your average residential area passing schools etc.. Should this be ok as long as no-one gets hurt?

- Throwing a rock from the top of empire state down to the street below - ok as long as no-one gets hurt?

- Perhaps abit more relevant to this case - cutting your competitors brake-wire leaving him/hur without brakes. Just ok as a "prank" as long as the person does not get hurt?

All of the above could easily lead to serious injury / death, and I bet everyone would be calling for heavy punishment should someone actually commit those acts with fatal outcome. As I said - I'm not arguing weather or not this case is "worthy" of jail time of any other form of criminal reaction, but I think it's fair to say that letting the air out of someone's tire could also potentially lead to an accident. Was this Ms. Johnsons intent? Probably not. Could it still be punishable? Perhaps - I know it could be in my home- country. I also know you would have to go a very long way to convince law enforcement to actually pursue this kind of incident.
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- Perhaps abit more relevant to this case - cutting your competitors brake-wire leaving him/hur without brakes. Just ok as a "prank" as long as the person does not get hurt?
Well if you can't see the difference between cutting a brake wire and letting air our of a tire... Hint: tire go flat all the time and people rarely get hurt as a result. Plus in this case the tire was flat from the get go, it's not like it would suddenly blow mid race in a high speed descent.

What she did was wrong obviously and I'm all for a ban, but criminal charges, really?
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lovegoat wrote:
- Perhaps abit more relevant to this case - cutting your competitors brake-wire leaving him/hur without brakes. Just ok as a "prank" as long as the person does not get hurt?

Well if you can't see the difference between cutting a brake wire and letting air our of a tire... Hint: tire go flat all the time and people rarely get hurt as a result. Plus in this case the tire was flat from the get go, it's not like it would suddenly blow mid race in a high speed descent.

What she did was wrong obviously and I'm all for a ban, but criminal charges, really?


I do see the difference, and as I stated my examples were exaggerated. Tires go flat all the time - yes. Brake-wires can also snap mid-ride without having anyone tampering with them. This is not the point. The point is that what she did could potentially be harmful, and I believe your thinking is flawed if you think that this is a non-issue because no-one got hurt. The outcome is not the main issue here, it's the potential damage she could have caused.

Now if you argue this is not a criminal issue because letting out the air is not very dangerous - that's a fine argument. Also - arguing that riding with a (partly) deflated tire is less dangerous than riding without brakes - also a fine argument.

I don't think we have all the facts here to make a sound judgement, and viewing it from a safety-standpoint I'd say it'd been far worse had she only let out say half the air vs all the air. If the tire was totally deflated the incident would have been discovered as soon as she sat on the bike - not very much potential for harm. A partly deflated tire - however - could go undetected. And say the athlete riding the bike did not notice this, and had the tire roll of the rim in the first sharp turn after a decent. Are you fine with this? No criminal inquires what-so-ever? If the athlete in question broke her neck following such an incident I feel confident inquiries into criminal charges would be made.

Just to emphasize again - I'm not arguing that Ms Johnson should go to jail or even be charged with anything, because we simply do not have the facts to consider any basis for this. And I leave entirely up to others to decide on this. However - I am arguing that something like this should not be brushed away simply cause "no-one got hurt" - that's really beside the point.
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I don't think the lynch mob often gets it right. They're just oftentimes comforted in the knowledge that the person they anointed the devil is in fact guilty. Of something.

You just described the current Democrat party.
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Just to emphasize again - I'm not arguing that Ms Johnson should go to jail or even be charged with anything, because we simply do not have the facts to consider any basis for this. And I leave entirely up to others to decide on this. However - I am arguing that something like this should not be brushed away simply cause "no-one got hurt" - that's really beside the point.

What facts are outstanding?

lovegoat wrote:
Just to emphasize again - I'm not arguing that Ms Johnson should go to jail or even be charged with anything, because we simply do not have the facts to consider any basis for this. And I leave entirely up to others to decide on this. However - I am arguing that something like this should not be brushed away simply cause "no-one got hurt" - that's really beside the point.

She was DQ'd and there is a 12-page thread on ST as well as a front page article. Who's brushing it away? In any sporting infraction resulting in a disqualification, depending on severity there is almost always a 3rd party investigation by the governing bodies in question into whether further action is required. Personally I would be very surprised if Tri Canada didn't ban her for an extended period of time as well as IM.

lovegoat wrote:
Just to emphasize again - I'm not arguing that Ms Johnson should go to jail or even be charged with anything, because we simply do not have the facts to consider any basis for this. And I leave entirely up to others to decide on this. However - I am arguing that something like this should not be brushed away simply cause "no-one got hurt" - that's really beside the point.

I'd argue that's exactly the point. Nobody got hurt. I would bet she'll avoid criminal charges; all be they warranted in some people's opinions!
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this doesn't need less throttle, it needs more. either wtc and or the triathlon community takes this seriously, or athletes will take this into their own hands. then you'll have 2 sporting events, triathlon, then the ufc.

I think you just stumbled upon the magic recipe that would make triathlon "Must See TV." Kind of a Death Race 2000 style event, just without any motorized vehicles.

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Now that the names are in the open, worth pointing out the obvious: she deflated the tire of someone in her age group, w/whom she was competitive.

i guess i just don't get some people...
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nchristi wrote:
lovegoat wrote:
- Perhaps abit more relevant to this case - cutting your competitors brake-wire leaving him/hur without brakes. Just ok as a "prank" as long as the person does not get hurt?

Well if you can't see the difference between cutting a brake wire and letting air our of a tire... Hint: tire go flat all the time and people rarely get hurt as a result. Plus in this case the tire was flat from the get go, it's not like it would suddenly blow mid race in a high speed descent.

What she did was wrong obviously and I'm all for a ban, but criminal charges, really?
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H- wrote:

... I hope Kristen gets the help she needs. ...

There is no cure for sociopathy.

Admitting herself to hospital may get her a diagnosis, but a leopard can't change its spots.

Part of me feels for her family - I think someone earlier called them 'innocent victims' - given her admitted previous criminal behaviour (using someone's {a friends'?} debit card without their permission) - and her current unethical behaviour, this is probably a life long pattern.

So the other part of me wonders if this is a(nother) wake-up call to her family (and friends) that she is not to be trusted and they should distance themselves from her for their own protection.

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How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?

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How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?

She did a 5:12:01 which would have put her in third one place ahead of the gal whose tire she was deflating.

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She was DQ'd and there is a 12-page thread on ST as well as a front page article. Who's brushing it away? In any sporting infraction resulting in a disqualification, depending on severity there is almost always a 3rd party investigation by the governing bodies in question into whether further action is required. Personally I would be very surprised if Tri Canada didn't ban her for an extended period of time as well as IM.

My guess is a multi-year ban from both USAT and TriCan (2-4 years) and an indefinite ban from WTC. Her IM racing days are over.

She appears to have a fair bit of "moral flexibility" when it comes to rules and laws given what we briefly know of her history. She also seems to need some mental health counseling. I wish her the best when it comes to her health and well being but I hope she never races another triathlon again.

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The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)
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The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)

does this need to be pink?
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The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)

Let's say someone took your tire down to 40 psi and you finish the swim, grab your bike and take off at full throttle and ramp it up to 25 mph and then in the first hard turn you roll your tire go over your bars and slam your head into a cement barrier and end up in a wheel chair for some time, maybe life, lose months or years of wages beyond the ability to further compete in sport. Would you or your family let the guilty party of the hook so easily. It really does not matter than no injury happened.
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Poon wrote:
The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)

I agree that the talk of criminal charges is over the top. Yes, something bad could have happened but we all have had flat tires and now how it feels. Mrs. Mongrain (victim) might have noticed the flat tire as soon as she grabbed her bike in T1 and most definitely would have noticed it the second she started to ride after the dismount line. No harm done besides losing potentially a ton of time having to fix the situation. As was rightly pointed out though, the fact that no harm was done does not dismiss whether or not something illegal may have happened. I think the law could probably be interpreted as such that she could be theoretically charged with a crime but that isn't going to happen. Cops got better shit to do. One of my brother's is a cop in a neighboring suburb in Syracuse and his brother-in-law is an Onondaga County Sheriff's Deputy (which would hold jurisdiction over the race site with Jamesville PD) so I could ask them what applicable law could be used if you guys are interested.

I love Twitchhunts as much as anybody but I pull back a little once I realize the people are probably mentally ill. Some are just unrepentant and narcissistic assholes that deserve all the bad mojo. Others are just nutty and mentally fragile. I have a feeling Ms. Johnson has a bit of the former and a lot of the latter. Normally, I'd be right with you all with the pitchforks but a front page article on ST and Triathlon Magazine is probably more than enough on this one.

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Kay Serrar wrote:
Front page article now up:http://www.slowtwitch.com/...tor_s_bike_6414.html[/quote[/url]]

Now we have a real reason for body marking.
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How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?


Correct. 3rd. Which is concerning because all of the top women in that age group were already on the 70.3 Worlds list. Except the victim in this case, who after the DQ took third, and was coincidentally (or not) the only one in the top 5 to claim the Worlds spot at rolldown. This was calculated beyond just a "competitor in her age group".

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devashish_paul wrote:
Poon wrote:
The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)

Let's say someone took your tire down to 40 psi and you finish the swim, grab your bike and take off at full throttle and ramp it up to 25 mph and then in the first hard turn you roll your tire go over your bars and slam your head into a cement barrier and end up in a wheel chair for some time, maybe life, lose months or years of wages beyond the ability to further compete in sport. Would you or your family let the guilty party of the hook so easily. It really does not matter than no injury happened.

You can't feel 40psi? Try a realistic example,but put down the pitchfork first.
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nothing criminal happened here.


Slowman, I respectfully disagree. I did, however, edit my prior post to reflect the criminal TAMPERING that seems to describe what occurred, inclusive of no resultant harm to Sharon.

As per NY Penal Law 145.14:
"A person is guilty of criminal tampering in the third degree when, having no right to do so nor any reasonable ground to believe that he has such right, he tampers with property of another person with intent to cause substantial inconvenience to such person or to a third person.
Criminal tampering in the third degree is a class B misdemeanor."

I find no "glee" in any potential harm caused to Ms. Johnson's family/loved ones--frankly that does suck. I am, however, quite satisfied knowing no harm came to Sharon and ultimately her husband, parents, son, and hopefully any future competitors of Ms. Johnson.
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It wouldn't surprise me if she's done this before. She probably was just going to let a little air out just to slow her chief competitors down a little, not completely deflate the tires.
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I have to agree with Dev on this one.

Once you tamper with another persons bike, you have no idea what the consequences might be. The intent by the offending party was unlikely to be for her competitor to be injured, but she should have been aware of that possibility. Anyone who has had a blowout going downhill will know how badly that can go wrong.

Doping may cheat people out of money and medals. Sabotage may cheat people of their health. Different ball park.

How would folks feel if she had cut her brake cables?
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Diehl78 wrote:
stevej wrote:
How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?


Correct. 3rd. Which is concerning because all of the top women in that age group were already on the 70.3 Worlds list. Except the victim in this case, who after the DQ took third, and was coincidentally (or not) the only one in the top 5 to claim the Worlds spot at rolldown. This was calculated beyond just a "competitor in her age group".



On the surface it does seem that the choice of victim was calculated and premeditated. Which pushes my needle more towards unrepentant/narcissistic asshole than fragile/nutty. If what you're saying is true, and I have no reason to doubt it.

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It wouldn't surprise me if she's done this before. She probably was just going to let a little air out just to slow her chief competitors down a little, not completely deflate the tires.

If their pressure was too high to begin with, she might have improved their rolling resistance.....
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I have to agree with Dev on this one.

Once you tamper with another persons bike, you have no idea what the consequences might be. The intent by the offending party was unlikely to be for her competitor to be injured, but she should have been aware of that possibility. Anyone who has had a blowout going downhill will know how badly that can go wrong.

Doping may cheat people out of money and medals. Sabotage may cheat people of their health. Different ball park.

How would folks feel if she had cut her brake cables?

Also in my example, I may not be able to feel 40 psi , but rolling a tire at that low pressure is a real possibility. I think most of our families are fine if we roll our tires due to our own stupidity, or bad luck. Families would feel completely different if their loved one ends up in a wheelchair due to a competitor intentionally modifying their bike towards an unsafe scenario.
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I'm sure you would feel 40psi immediately, especially at any race with normal roads full of cracks, potholes and speed bumps.

Also, what level were the tires left at when she was done or planning to be done (not sure if she was actually stopped early)? Maybe she planned to fully deflate the tire? Again, lots of pitchforks as always.
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The reason it worries me is if someone ended up doing the front tire. I wouldn't notice that until I jumped onto my bike at speed and if they fully deflated it I could easily see a crash. My race tires have nothing to them.
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Checking into the health facility is a classic technique of the recently shamed / legally busted.

Tiger Woods is now getting "professional help" or some such thing for his pill problem. This is after his prior stint in a rehab center for sex addiction--also a response to being caught.

When you are embarrassed by being caught, I don't doubt it causes significant anxiety, perhaps even enough to justify professional help, but seeking that help also is a good way to CYA.
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This talk of her having "mental health issues" is also all conjecture...

From her chequered history and her most recent infraction it's pretty clear she's just morally bankrupt.

This doesn't make her mentally ill... it just means she has no moral compass and is wired differently to most folks. It's just a shame she's found her way into competitive sport.


For me, rightly or wrongly, it calls into question ALL her previous performances.

Attempting to take a fellow competitor out of a race (with potentially disastrous consequences) is next level stuff....

One can only imagine a person able to rationalize this sort of direct action would have no qualms with drafting, cutting courses or taking illicit substances.


No place for her kind in sport... ever.
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Sorry, she's not going to jail for this.

You can run over cyclists with your car and kill them in our country and nothing happens to you. Letting a little air out of a tire is not even a drop in the bucket.


My thoughts exactly.

Thanks to the journalists for helping us get the details regarding this story and to Fleck for his words. Where will we end up if we no longer trust journalists and rely solely on social media posts from our friends, family and members of our tribe to inform ourselves about what is happening in the world?
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Diehl78 wrote:
stevej wrote:
How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?


Correct. 3rd. Which is concerning because all of the top women in that age group were already on the 70.3 Worlds list. Except the victim in this case, who after the DQ took third, and was coincidentally (or not) the only one in the top 5 to claim the Worlds spot at rolldown. This was calculated beyond just a "competitor in her age group".



On the surface it does seem that the choice of victim was calculated and premeditated. Which pushes my needle more towards unrepentant/narcissistic asshole than fragile/nutty. If what you're saying is true, and I have no reason to doubt it.

I was at awards . I have a picture of that age group as Ginny was 2nd. The announcer asked is anyone up here not already qualified for Worlds? 3rd place , (the victim) was the only one who raised her hand and she subsequently took the spot.

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I am curious about one piece (and maybe this is none of my business):

'I thought this was my friend's bike and I was letting air out for her.'

It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend?

In the picture in the article, it appears Mongrain rides a Specialized Shiv. There is another Specialized Shiv (1407) right next to Johnson's bike. So, giving her the benefit of the doubt, I supposed there is a tiny chance that she could have somehow confused the bikes, but that would require that another bike owner step up and say that she had, indeed, asked her to relieve some tire pressure for her.

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Travis R wrote:
I am curious about one piece (and maybe this is none of my business):

'I thought this was my friend's bike and I was letting air out for her.'

It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend?

In the picture in the article, it appears Mongrain rides a Specialized Shiv. There is another Specialized Shiv (1407) right next to Johnson's bike. So, giving her the benefit of the doubt, I supposed there is a tiny chance that she could have somehow confused the bikes, but that would require that another bike owner step up and say that she had, indeed, asked her to relieve some tire pressure for her.

Look at the photo and article again. Mongrain rides the Felt. The Shiv was Johnson's.

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Travis R wrote:
I am curious about one piece (and maybe this is none of my business):

'I thought this was my friend's bike and I was letting air out for her.'

It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend?

In the picture in the article, it appears Mongrain rides a Specialized Shiv. There is another Specialized Shiv (1407) right next to Johnson's bike. So, giving her the benefit of the doubt, I supposed there is a tiny chance that she could have somehow confused the bikes, but that would require that another bike owner step up and say that she had, indeed, asked her to relieve some tire pressure for her.

Mongrain rides the Felt.
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Mongrain is riding a Felt
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I'm curious -- maybe lawyers and RDs in this group can weigh in, but now that there is evidence that she caused a condition that could have had significant safety consequences for another competitor, what would the liability issues be for USAT/WTC/other organizations if they allowed her to compete knowing this? I can't imagine any insurer being happy about having her in a covered event.

On the criminal stuff, considering we live in a country where a car can run over a cyclist pretty much consequence free, I wouldn't count on much happening there.

And, Slowman, thanks as usual for some fine adulting on this thread.
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Travis R wrote:
I am curious about one piece (and maybe this is none of my business):

'I thought this was my friend's bike and I was letting air out for her.'

It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend?

In the picture in the article, it appears Mongrain rides a Specialized Shiv. There is another Specialized Shiv (1407) right next to Johnson's bike. So, giving her the benefit of the doubt, I supposed there is a tiny chance that she could have somehow confused the bikes, but that would require that another bike owner step up and say that she had, indeed, asked her to relieve some tire pressure for her.

I guess that could be her out....have someone come forward who says they agreed to have her adjust their air pressure. I would like to hear what "the friend" has to say too.
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It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend? //

Hey Travis, I think the time for looking for alternate scenarios is over now. Reminds me of the recent thread on the gal that talked that kid into killing himself. There are these possible scenarios people are pitting forward on what he might have done if this or that happened, but the fact is he killed himself, no need to wonder what he would have done. He did it.


It seems quite plain here that she did it, all the alternate theories however implausible are just that. None of them would make any sense in with the facts that are known now, and as occam's razor tells us, the easiest and most likely reason is most likely the correct one.


Looking at the rest of her checkered history it does appear that she either has some mental problem, or she just lacks a moral that most of us carry. I have seen both in abundance in many athletes in my career, both suggest that she should no longer compete in sport at this level.
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I'm sure you would feel 40psi immediately, especially at any race with normal roads full of cracks, potholes and speed bumps.

Also, what level were the tires left at when she was done or planning to be done (not sure if she was actually stopped early)? Maybe she planned to fully deflate the tire? Again, lots of pitchforks as always.

At Florida 70.3 I lept onto my bike and in short order there is a hard right turn. In the approach to the turn, I had no idea that my rear tire was flat. In the turn the rear wheel skidded out and I narrowly avoided a crash. So I was asking myself why in the hell that happened and only then noticed my disc cover seemed to be making a lot of noise and the ride was harsh and I looked back and saw the flat.

In the first couple minutes of the bike, there is a lot of adrenaline and a lot of things that you are trying to do all at once and I think it would be easy to not notice a very under-inflated tire.

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BTW, if she does receive a ban from some governing body or WTC, is there anything that prevents her from changing her name and racing again? She changed her name after her previous public and embarrassing conviction, which I would guess was part of an attempt to prevent that from coming up when applying for jobs, in social circles, etc. A background check would catch it, but jobs that don't do that wouldn't catch it. Would triathlon Canada catch it if she applied for a license under a different name?

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I would say that this episode has made it exponentially harder for her to hide now, at least in the sporting world. As for the working world, if she goes to all the trouble to change, perhaps if she"really" makes a change, it will be her next chance at turning her life around. I'm not against that, people need many chances in life, some more than others...
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She doesn't even smile coming across the finish line. Guilty as heck.
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It seems like complete BS, but did she continue to run with that line? That might have been something she repeated in the conversation with Jimmy R., but if it is true, who is this friend? //

Hey Travis, I think the time for looking for alternate scenarios is over now. Reminds me of the recent thread on the gal that talked that kid into killing himself. There are these possible scenarios people are pitting forward on what he might have done if this or that happened, but the fact is he killed himself, no need to wonder what he would have done. He did it.


It seems quite plain here that she did it, all the alternate theories however implausible are just that. None of them would make any sense in with the facts that are known now, and as occam's razor tells us, the easiest and most likely reason is most likely the correct one.


Looking at the rest of her checkered history it does appear that she either has some mental problem, or she just lacks a moral that most of us carry. I have seen both in abundance in many athletes in my career, both suggest that she should no longer compete in sport at this level.

Agreed. Her statement was spontaneously uttered immediately when caught. She didn't plan that. She had nothing to say, and her "oh damn" nervousness made her say something. I wouldn't doubt with her criminal history that she will rationalize that and stick to it. To try to make sense of that statement is foolish.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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"You just described the current Democrat party. " Good one!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Impulse-Warp] [ In reply to ]
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She doesn't even smile coming across the finish line. Guilty as heck.

That is your smoking gun? No smile?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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The updated Triathlete Canada article is pretty nutty too. Something is very off. I'm glad no one was hurt, the perpetrator is being held accountable and will continue to be, and it sounds like she is getting some help.

Feels like the right outcome in all of this considering the information if it holds.
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I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.


http://triathlonmagazine.ca/...onman-70-3-syracuse/
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Ah, I got everything mixed up. Thanks for the clarification!

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people defending, and saying wait to hear both sides are plain naive in this instance.

when there is smoke, there is fire. this right now is a blazing inferno. she's guilty as can be. she better be done with triathlon.
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Hey Monty!

Yeah, I agree with everything you're saying here, and didn't mean to make it sound like I wanted to keep kicking a dead horse. I was mostly just curious if that was just a spur-of-the-moment thing that she said but didn't say again, or if she somehow kept rolling with that as her defense. If the "friend" existed, they would have defended her by now.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [KJGrog] [ In reply to ]
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KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.


Maybe she got married?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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Mark Lemmon wrote:
Where will we end up if we no longer trust journalists and rely solely on social media posts from our friends, family and members of our tribe to inform ourselves about what is happening in the world?

why do you love fake news!

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Jelana] [ In reply to ]
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On the criminal stuff, considering we live in a country where a car can run over a cyclist pretty much consequence free, I wouldn't count on much happening there.

Misdemeanor conviction with a slap-on-the-wrist fine is the most you could possibly expect. Not worth the time and effort of the DA and court staff, IMHO, to drag this person back from Canada for that. Being a pariah in the triathlon world now is already a much bigger punishment than the criminal justice system would likely end up meting out.

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I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.


http://triathlonmagazine.ca/...onman-70-3-syracuse/

Earlier in this thread there was an article posted about her Xterra win, in which her name was Tamburrino. Same article also mentioned her parents, with the last name Johnson - so pretty safe to say it's her maiden name.
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'I thought this was my friend's bike and I was letting air out for her.'

If that's the best excuse for letting air out of a tire, she clearly didn't think it through.
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KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.


http://triathlonmagazine.ca/...onman-70-3-syracuse/


Earlier in this thread there was an article posted about her Xterra win, in which her name was Tamburrino. Same article also mentioned her parents, with the last name Johnson - so pretty safe to say it's her maiden name.

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HER?!?!?



How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.


http://triathlonmagazine.ca/...onman-70-3-syracuse/

That article is troubling to read.

It's competitive cardio, for God's sake.
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Xing triathlete wrote:
Xing triathlete wrote:
Canadian Age Grouper Kristen Johnson (#1405) DQ'd for letting air out of competitor's rear tire just prior to the start of Syracuse 70.3. The incident occurred in transition just after the victim left her bike in transition to head to the swim start. Thankfully, this incident was witnessed and reported to race officials allowing the victim to have her tire reinflated prior to the start. Race officials investigated after the start and ultimately DQ'd Ms. Johnson. I can only imagine how many times Kristen Johnson has done this before without getting caught.


Now that we're past the "two sides to every story" lets discuss punishment and consequences. The criminal mischief occurred at a WTC and USAT sanctioned event and she is a member of the Canadian Triathlon Federation. Suspension in all 3 governing bodies is a no-brainer but for how long? I Assume her team and coach have already dropped her-If not, would love their input. How about criminal charges or would Sharon need to be injured or dead for that to happen?

I don't think that part in bold is up to WTC. Local police would need to lay charges for that. Not sure what NY state law or Syracuse area municipal law would apply. Maybe some of the legal guys around here can pipe in, but it seems someone would need to approach the police to lay charges. If I recall in the case of Vancouver Canucks player Todd Bertuzzi who attacked a Colorado Avalanche player steve Moore, when criminal charges were laid for an on ice pre meditated attack, the police had to go out of their way to lay charges, its not like the NHL brought the case to the police....but that was public all over the media, so it was easy for the police to dive in. Seriously though tampering with the safety of another athlete is deserving of some charge in the court of law. This to me is way beyond sport.


In any case if you don't know the case I am referring to above here is the link on the full story: http://www.cbc.ca/...tuzzi-case-1.2756008

I personally think Bertuzzi should have never been able to play again. He viciously attacked Moore and broke his neck. As far as I know, Moore never played again.

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How did Kristen Johnson finish before the DQ? Anyone know what her finishing time was or what place she would have been in her AG?


Correct. 3rd. Which is concerning because all of the top women in that age group were already on the 70.3 Worlds list. Except the victim in this case, who after the DQ took third, and was coincidentally (or not) the only one in the top 5 to claim the Worlds spot at rolldown. This was calculated beyond just a "competitor in her age group".

So it looks like the victim benefited from Johnson's conduct. Had Johnson not done what she did, she wouldn't have been caught, she wouldn't have been DQ'd, she would have retained her third place finish, and the victim would have been fourth. She should be thanking her. ;)
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Impulse-Warp wrote:
She doesn't even smile coming across the finish line. Guilty as heck.


That is your smoking gun? No smile?

I should have put it in pink I guess. Just being glib.
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You're right. I apologize.
I understand where he was coming from. I just found it interesting from a human nature perspective that the one person here who had met her was calling for hearing her side of the story, when the facts we knew already painted a fairly damning picture.



Thank you.

Apology accepted.

Important details have come out, that have helped fill in some gaps and explained a few things. That's all I was ever advocating for. I'm always for balance and the full picture of things. It's to counter the mad rush to judgement that we saw here - those people were right (and I never disagreed with them), but I always feel better and more comfortable knowing all the facts. Where there is a benefit of doubt, give it and let the other side or party tell their story.


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Hey Steve, do you know the lady very well? If so, did you know about the other stuff? Maybe you can fill in some gaps on whether it is a mental thing or just really bad judgement....Decent people can make bad choices, but to keep making them after being caught seems to be a bigger problem that just wanting to win a race..
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Hey Steve, do you know the lady very well? If so, did you know about the other stuff? Maybe you can fill in some gaps on whether it is a mental thing or just really bad judgement....Decent people can make bad choices, but to keep making them after being caught seems to be a bigger problem that just wanting to win a race


Mark,

As I noted previously I do "know" her, but really only in passing.

Given all of the details and other information that has come to light, out of respect to all parties, I'm not going to be commenting on this any further. As Dan pointed out, the impact of this to all involved has been significant. Time to move forward and for those who do need help, I hope that they are able to get it.


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It really does not matter than no injury happened.

I'm sure the defense attorney will ague the exact opposite vehemently... and win. What is the legal precedent?
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is there anything that prevents her from changing her name and racing again?

Changing her name? Really? Of course there isn't. Racing again? That's Tri Canda's issue but I think they've got more important things to do than double-check every sign-up for "prior names."

RowToTri wrote:
She changed her name after her previous public and embarrassing conviction,

Speculation. Ever consider she got married?

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Would triathlon Canada catch it if she applied for a license under a different name?

When's the last time you registered? It's a basic web-form and you pay a fee. This is Triathlon Canada, not the DMV for God's sake.

Your whole post is just insipid!
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RowToTri wrote:
is there anything that prevents her from changing her name and racing again?


Changing her name? Really? Of course there isn't. Racing again? That's Tri Canda's issue but I think they've got more important things to do than double-check every sign-up for "prior names."

RowToTri wrote:
She changed her name after her previous public and embarrassing conviction,


Speculation. Ever consider she got married?

RowToTri wrote:
Would triathlon Canada catch it if she applied for a license under a different name?


When's the last time you registered? It's a basic web-form and you pay a fee. This is Triathlon Canada, not the DMV for God's sake.

Your whole post is just insipid!

Insipid? OK.

When I read the Triathlon Canada article, I somehow missed that her first name was always Kristen. I thought her first name used to be Michelle. My mistake.

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I'm curious how WTC tracks individuals like this. She apparently has a troubled past.....as a teacher.....fraud arrest.....etc, etc. Easy to find her mugshot from 2015. All this under the name Tamburrino. So when did she become "Johnson"? It appears she started going by the name Johnson sometime since 2015(?). So, is it safe to assume that WTC has no way to track these individuals who pull this stuff against fellow competitors? She obviously had/has issues. Whats to keep her (or anyone) from changing her name again and signing up for another WTC or USAT event? Any protections/provisions in place for this?

ps....it seems a "ban" would be a joke since she could obviously change her name to "smith" next time.
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Insipid? OK.


Don't listen to him; your post was plenty sipid.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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ps....it seems a "ban" would be a joke since she could obviously change her name to "smith" next time//

Ya, and after she does all that reconstructive surgery to change her face completely, we will never recognize her atop the podium again. Ya ya ya.....
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Admitting herself to hospital may get her a diagnosis, but a leopard can't change its spots.

Part of me feels for her family - I think someone earlier called them 'innocent victims' - given her admitted previous criminal behaviour (using someone's {a friends'?} debit card without their permission) - and her current unethical behaviour, this is probably a life long pattern.

So the other part of me wonders if this is a(nother) wake-up call to her family (and friends) that she is not to be trusted and they should distance themselves from her for their own protection.
Tough to say... and you're right no matter where she might fall into a diagnosis... sociopath, borderline, narcissist, etc. she is essentially who she is. Or you get someone that shifts a little... i.e. a borderline that drops the self hate thing (with therapy) and becomes a raging sociopath. That's true for all of us... we are wired a certain way and that is how we are.

Innocent victims are part of the consequences unfortunately. I have a couple borderlines, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc. in my family... it's a real train wreck. Their problems are their problems though, people that really know me, know me and don't associate "their stuff" with me. I'm not a victim though, I just happen to be family with people that have issues... and loose friends with some.

This whole thread has opened my eyes to a whole other level of cheating... call me naive... or was naive to this.
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Not to add any speculation to the topic but it is interesting that both were late additions to the race (neither were listed in the the bib list printed May 2) so Kristen didn't research it ahead of time.

Also, going through the AWA yearly race results I see they did race against each other at least 1 time before, in 2014 at 70.3 Worlds

http://www.ironman.com/...tail=1#axzz4kTc7MHfT

http://www.ironman.com/...tail=1#axzz4kTc7MHfT

Definitely seems to be a "troubled" woman.....and as someone else noted, if she hadn't messed with the bike she would have had a WC slot, karma's a B____

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Agreed. I'm still blown away by the fact that she took the time to research her competitors ahead of time, figure out who may be at/near the top of her AG, found her number and then executed the plan in transition. I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race
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KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.



Maybe she got married?

...I think she got divorced. In the article below, they make reference to her parents, with the last name Johnson.

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...UJVq0GiBqdk.facebook

I must admit that I've wasted the last hour reading through all this. Very 'local' to me and I have good friends that also ride with Liberty. This all sounds like an unfortunate downwards spiral with divorce, public shaming in her profession (The 'blue pages' in the magazine Professionally Speaking are legendary, seen by all teachers in our Province, and there's no way to fly under the radar there), and now misconduct / shaming in a sport that is clearly an integral part of her identity. ...It's just sad to see.
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BLeP wrote:
KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.



Maybe she got married?


...I think she got divorced. In the article below, they make reference to her parents, with the last name Johnson.

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...UJVq0GiBqdk.facebook

I must admit that I've wasted the last hour reading through all this. Very 'local' to me and I have good friends that also ride with Liberty. This all sounds like an unfortunate downwards spiral with divorce, public shaming in her profession (The 'blue pages' in the magazine Professionally Speaking are legendary, seen by all teachers in our Province, and there's no way to fly under the radar there), and now misconduct / shaming in a sport that is clearly an integral part of her identity. ...It's just sad to see.

Well looking at Publicly Speaking revealed even more.....she must be a mental wreck.
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I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race

LOL! I hear you. đź„
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She doesn't even smile coming across the finish line. Guilty as heck.

That's how it's done: head down, look humble



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Research ahead of time - not a surprise to me. I know people who do this, and learning from them I have done so as well. However I lack the what-ever-it-is, to let it influence my day. Some get down (I don't stand a chance of beating her), some wag swagger (I can totally beat her), apparently others (case in hand) opt for sabatoge.

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Impulse-Warp wrote:
She doesn't even smile coming across the finish line. Guilty as heck.


That's how it's done: head down, look humble


Uh oh - he might be in trouble with Gene Simmons now for that hand gesture... https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.ec1573d556d4
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That's the least of his problems

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [goodboyr] [ In reply to ]
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If their pressure was too high to begin with, she might have improved their rolling resistance.....[/quote]

I think this is what happened. She saw that there was too much pressure in the tire. By releasing some of the pressure she saved Ms Mongrain from having the tires explode during the race. We should be idolizing her instead of criticizing her.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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Me too. And he consistently beats me. Every. Single. Time.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [quintana who] [ In reply to ]
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**I think** I beat the guy but I'm not 100% sure. After packet pickup, bike check in & athlete meeting we got known as John Doe from NJ & John Doe from NC.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
Poon wrote:
The talk of criminal charges seems over the top. I know this isn't realistic to imagine as well, but why not just ban her from setting foot on US soil? It's not like Canadians have an innate right to be here. She should lose her US privileges! That will keep her away from USAT events. ;)


Let's say someone took your tire down to 40 psi and you finish the swim, grab your bike and take off at full throttle and ramp it up to 25 mph and then in the first hard turn you roll your tire go over your bars and slam your head into a cement barrier and end up in a wheel chair for some time, maybe life, lose months or years of wages beyond the ability to further compete in sport. Would you or your family let the guilty party of the hook so easily. It really does not matter than no injury happened.


You can't feel 40psi? Try a realistic example,but put down the pitchfork first.

As I was exiting T1 at a sprint tri a couple of weeks ago my tire was almost completely flat, I only noticed because someone yelled out to me. There could not have been more than 5-10 psi of residual pressure in there.

I wonder if someone was trying to take me out? :)

It was especially aggravating because bike support had already left. :(
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WelshinPhilly wrote:


Someone needs to photoshop the logo with the balloon loosing air. I don't have the skillset to do it.

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beston wrote:
BLeP wrote:
KJGrog wrote:
I agree with jerseydave77.

Sounds like this tire incident is the least of this ladies issues. Kristen Johnson isn't even her real name.



Maybe she got married?


...I think she got divorced. In the article below, they make reference to her parents, with the last name Johnson.

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...UJVq0GiBqdk.facebook

I must admit that I've wasted the last hour reading through all this. Very 'local' to me and I have good friends that also ride with Liberty. This all sounds like an unfortunate downwards spiral with divorce, public shaming in her profession (The 'blue pages' in the magazine Professionally Speaking are legendary, seen by all teachers in our Province, and there's no way to fly under the radar there), and now misconduct / shaming in a sport that is clearly an integral part of her identity. ...It's just sad to see.





She sees herself as a role model for her students, especially for the females wanting to compete in sports dominated by men.

“That’s important to me,” she said.


Lol.....
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Agreed. I'm still blown away by the fact that she took the time to research her competitors ahead of time, figure out who may be at/near the top of her AG, found her number and then executed the plan in transition. I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race
Yes. Premeditated sabotage. Not just a spur of the moment hormonal bad decision. This takes cheating to an entire other level. It's one thing to dope, or even pull a Julie Miller, but to purposely tamper with another competitors equipment, and for an age grouper!
I guess I am naĂŻve as well because I never would have dreamed fellow athletes would pull this.
Weird two Canadian female athletes.
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DFW_Tri wrote:
Agreed. I'm still blown away by the fact that she took the time to research her competitors ahead of time, figure out who may be at/near the top of her AG, found her number and then executed the plan in transition. I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race

Yes. Premeditated sabotage. Not just a spur of the moment hormonal bad decision. This takes cheating to an entire other level. It's one thing to dope, or even pull a Julie Miller, but to purposely tamper with another competitors equipment, and for an age grouper!
I guess I am naĂŻve as well because I never would have dreamed fellow athletes would pull this.
Weird two Canadian female athletes.

More speculation!! How do you know she didn't spot the victim the morning of, dropping off her bike at T1 and decide then? They're racked right beside eachother. Plus why not go for the favourite athlete in her AG? Seriously you guys need to stop watching so much CSI:Miami.
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Guess race execution now includes protecting my equipment and exiting transition under direction of officials... or returning to local grassroots races where I know everyone in my AG and we treat triathlon as a chance to meet with friends. Either way, I train up and race at 100%
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Pat0 wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
Agreed. I'm still blown away by the fact that she took the time to research her competitors ahead of time, figure out who may be at/near the top of her AG, found her number and then executed the plan in transition. I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race

Yes. Premeditated sabotage. Not just a spur of the moment hormonal bad decision. This takes cheating to an entire other level. It's one thing to dope, or even pull a Julie Miller, but to purposely tamper with another competitors equipment, and for an age grouper!
I guess I am naĂŻve as well because I never would have dreamed fellow athletes would pull this.
Weird two Canadian female athletes.


More speculation!! How do you know she didn't spot the victim the morning of, dropping off her bike at T1 and decide then? They're racked right beside eachother. Plus why not go for the favourite athlete in her AG? Seriously you guys need to stop watching so much CSI:Miami.

Sure it's speculation, but not unlikely. Syracuse 70.3 posts a list of entrants before the race. If you're looking for a Worlds spot it is not unreasonable to see who is showing up, and also who may already have a Worlds spot. I have done this for my spouse at a couple of races when I've had the time, specifically at Syracuse as it happens. It's good to know who you are racing against if your goal is to qualify for Worlds. In this case, the race "favorites" in her AG had already qualified, so her main competition for a Worlds slot was the person's equipment she targeted. I doubt it was a spur of the moment thing.

The irony, as others have pointed out, is that she beat the victim's time so would have got her slot had she not been DQ'd.
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The interesting part is neither were listed in the bib list posted ahead of time.....so she didn't know that Sharon was going to be there until registration or race day.....not sure how or why she picked her to sabotage unless she knew her from racing previously....as I said in my previous post they did race against each other at least one time before at the 2014 70.3 Worlds so maybe something happened there that made her think Sharon was a threat.

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [RonanIRL] [ In reply to ]
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RonanIRL wrote:
Pat0 wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
Agreed. I'm still blown away by the fact that she took the time to research her competitors ahead of time, figure out who may be at/near the top of her AG, found her number and then executed the plan in transition. I'm lucky if I can remember my own Bib number going into a race

Yes. Premeditated sabotage. Not just a spur of the moment hormonal bad decision. This takes cheating to an entire other level. It's one thing to dope, or even pull a Julie Miller, but to purposely tamper with another competitors equipment, and for an age grouper!
I guess I am naĂŻve as well because I never would have dreamed fellow athletes would pull this.
Weird two Canadian female athletes.


More speculation!! How do you know she didn't spot the victim the morning of, dropping off her bike at T1 and decide then? They're racked right beside eachother. Plus why not go for the favourite athlete in her AG? Seriously you guys need to stop watching so much CSI:Miami.

Not sure that she just did not meet the victim in transition on race morning and decide it all right there, maybe having found out she was a former pro.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Uncle Phil] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe I should have used your logo in the other thread where she admitted the wrongdoing
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Doctor_J] [ In reply to ]
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Here is what Kristen Johnson said in a Facebook message to me.

"Please see statement below:

I was under so much pressure to perform, and I made a wrong decision, and am sincerely sorry of my actions. I don't know why I did it, and I cannot even believe I did it. I am not a horrible person, just someone that made an impulsive, bad decision, and I know that I need some serious help.

Please note that I have been accepted to an mental health facility to to be treated for an eating disorder beginning tomorrow. This incident has made me realize how much help I need, despite being an accomplished athlete. I have been hiding with this illness for a long time, and although it is no excuse for my actions, I do believe it is one of the reasons why I can't make good decisions. I do not expect to return to the sport anytime soon, although I do hope that with evidence of treatment and recovery, I will be one day race again."
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At least she is admitting to it now.
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Just adding the (what's thought but not written)...


Herbert wrote:
Here is what Kristen Johnson said in a Facebook message to me.

"Please see statement below:

I was under so much pressure to perform (by myself), and I made a wrong decision, and am sincerely sorry (for getting caught) of my actions. I don't know why I did it (to get a World's spot), and I cannot even believe I (got caught) did it. I am not a horrible person, just someone that made an impulsive, bad decision, and I know that I need some serious help (to escape public scrutiny).

Please note that I have been accepted (but had to fake an eating disorder) to an mental health facility to to be treated for an eating disorder beginning tomorrow. This incident has made me realize how much help I need (to get away from all this judgement), despite being an accomplished athlete (as evidenced by my 4th at Kona). I have been hiding (my cheating) with this illness for a long time, and although it is no excuse for my actions, I do believe it is one of the reasons why I (got caught) can't make good decisions. I do not expect to return to the sport anytime soon, although I do hope that with evidence of treatment and recovery, I will be one day race again (as soon as I can change my name and dye my hair!)."

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Just adding the (what's thought but not written)...


Herbert wrote:
Here is what Kristen Johnson said in a Facebook message to me.

"Please see statement below:

I was under so much pressure to perform (by myself), and I made a wrong decision, and am sincerely sorry (for getting caught) of my actions. I don't know why I did it (to get a World's spot), and I cannot even believe I (got caught) did it. I am not a horrible person, just someone that made an impulsive, bad decision, and I know that I need some serious help (to escape public scrutiny).

Please note that I have been accepted (but had to fake an eating disorder) to an mental health facility to to be treated for an eating disorder beginning tomorrow. This incident has made me realize how much help I need (to get away from all this judgement), despite being an accomplished athlete (as evidenced by my 4th at Kona). I have been hiding (my cheating) with this illness for a long time, and although it is no excuse for my actions, I do believe it is one of the reasons why I (got caught) can't make good decisions. I do not expect to return to the sport anytime soon, although I do hope that with evidence of treatment and recovery, I will be one day race again (as soon as I can change my name and dye my hair!)."

Nice cheap shot, Sir.

You're post is the definition of "piling on".

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what a mature post. if she said she was suffering from Myalgic Encephalomyelitis would your response had been the same?

the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning
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The irony, as others have pointed out, is that she beat the victim's time so would have got her slot had she not been DQ'd.

Except we don't know how this affected either athlete's race. I'm unclear on whether Schmidt-Mongrain came back to transition before the swim to inflate her tire or whether something else did. But I take it she knew about the incident during the race and surely it affected her. I know I did a race once where I caught a guy messing with my bike right before transition closed. (It wasn't malicious; he was just a dumbass.) I was so pissed that I way overdid the swim and was toast by the run.

As for Johnson, I'm grudgingly impressed she still put in a good performance given that she knew she was busted.
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stringcheese wrote:
Scotttriguy wrote:
Just adding the (what's thought but not written)...


Herbert wrote:
Here is what Kristen Johnson said in a Facebook message to me.

"Please see statement below:

I was under so much pressure to perform (by myself), and I made a wrong decision, and am sincerely sorry (for getting caught) of my actions. I don't know why I did it (to get a World's spot), and I cannot even believe I (got caught) did it. I am not a horrible person, just someone that made an impulsive, bad decision, and I know that I need some serious help (to escape public scrutiny).

Please note that I have been accepted (but had to fake an eating disorder) to an mental health facility to to be treated for an eating disorder beginning tomorrow. This incident has made me realize how much help I need (to get away from all this judgement), despite being an accomplished athlete (as evidenced by my 4th at Kona). I have been hiding (my cheating) with this illness for a long time, and although it is no excuse for my actions, I do believe it is one of the reasons why I (got caught) can't make good decisions. I do not expect to return to the sport anytime soon, although I do hope that with evidence of treatment and recovery, I will be one day race again (as soon as I can change my name and dye my hair!)."


Nice cheap shot, Sir.


You're post is the definition of "piling on".

+1 well harsh

Although I did chuckle at the last addition
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What do you people want? You get upset when people like Rossi refuse to admit when they cheat, then someone does admit to cheating it's still not enough.

What are you looking for?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Uncle Phil] [ In reply to ]
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Uncle Phil wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
WelshinPhilly wrote:


Someone needs to photoshop the logo with the balloon loosing air. I don't have the skillset to do it.


When I posted the race logo, this is exactly the result I was hoping for. Extremely well played.


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What do you people want? You get upset when people like Rossi refuse to admit when they cheat, then someone does admit to cheating it's still not enough.

What are you looking for?

+1, I think it is great that she admitted to it. Best possible outcome.....along with her figuring herself out.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Xing triathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Just a general response-

Now that what happened has now been sorted out, what happens now with regards to rules enforcement.
Are RD's going to police this more (not sure how when volunteers are hard to find as is)?
Are WTC and other organizations going to review their rules and how to enforce them?
What will the punishment ultimately be?

I would like to see a follow up to this situation, not as a pile on for the parties involved, but to see how this will be addressed going forward.

This was a unique situation of rules being broken.
Some have raised legal concerns and an injury could have happened.
Different from doping and course cutting.
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Not that I have a say but I would like to see "touching a competitors bike with malicious intent" Result in a 4 year ban Minimum
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Just once, I would like to hear someone admit their wrongdoing for the right reasons and acknowledge the real cause for their actions. In this case, as with many others, the admission came only after she was caught red-handed in a series of photos, and the admission was followed by an excuse that she knew would garner public support.
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Callin' wrote:
what a mature post. if she said she was suffering from Myalgic Encephalomyelitis would your response had been the same?

I guess I'm just not sure what having an eating disorder has to to with sabotaging your competition. How is having an eating disorder relevant at all? I actually think it is a bit offensive to people with eating disorders to suggest that there is something about them which makes them somehow more prone to being unethical. That is simply not the case.

That said, it is probably time to move on.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [RonanIRL] [ In reply to ]
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More speculation!! How do you know she didn't spot the victim the morning of, dropping off her bike at T1 and decide then? They're racked right beside eachother. Plus why not go for the favourite athlete in her AG? Seriously you guys need to stop watching so much CSI:Miami.


I've never seen any of the CSI shows but does it really make a big difference whether she planned it ahead or did it at what she thought was an opportune time?


It's not really those speculating that are the problem here.
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Running mom wrote:
I guess I'm just not sure what having an eating disorder has to to with sabotaging your competition. How is having an eating disorder relevant at all? I actually think it is a bit offensive to people with eating disorders to suggest that there is something about them which makes them somehow more prone to being unethical. That is simply not the case.

That said, it is probably time to move on.

Who are you speaking to here? Plus, who said anything about people with mental health issues being more likely to break the law?

Having said that, anyone dealing with mental health issues or who knows someone who is, will be aware that they are prone to rash decisions, abnormal behavior, mood swings etc. etc. It is quite likely that if her illness is legit, it contributed significantly to her making a god-awful decision. Perhaps it was finally the straw that broke the camel's back?

I hope she hangs up her wetsuit/bike/shoes and takes some time to recover
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Running mom wrote:
I guess I'm just not sure what having an eating disorder has to to with sabotaging your competition. How is having an eating disorder relevant at all? I actually think it is a bit offensive to people with eating disorders to suggest that there is something about them which makes them somehow more prone to being unethical. That is simply not the case.

Yeah, I was thinking that, too, and not seeing the connection, either

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She's a convicted criminal, a liar, a thief, a saboteur. With that repetitive history of behavior, anything she says is suspect and I just don't buy the convenience of an eating disorder to explain away her behavior and seek pity for illness. A leopard can't change its spots.

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I don't have an eating disorder, so I am not an expert. I believe that the correlation would be that there is something wrong mentally. The eating disorder does not make her deflate tires, but it is indicative of her brain not working properly or with reason. Regardless of whether you believe that or not, she is searching for a reason for her behavior so she can correct it. It would scare the shit out of me if I looked up and had made as many poor decisions as she has. Not everyone will forgive her, understand, or believe there is a correlation to mental illness and her actions. That's fine.....she admitted her mistake, is seeking help and trying to change.
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So if Lance Armstrong had told Oprah he had an eating disorder and that's why he did all that stuff everyone here would be cool with him?


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Mike Alexander wrote:
I don't have an eating disorder, so I am not an expert. I believe that the correlation would be that there is something wrong mentally. The eating disorder does not make her deflate tires, but it is indicative of her brain not working properly or with reason. Regardless of whether you believe that or not, she is searching for a reason for her behavior so she can correct it. It would scare the shit out of me if I looked up and had made as many poor decisions as she has. Not everyone will forgive her, understand, or believe there is a correlation to mental illness and her actions. That's fine.....she admitted her mistake, is seeking help and trying to change.


Bingo!. I do not believe the eating disorder has anything to do with what she did at Syracuse but it does indicate an underlying mental dysfunction (and that is not meant in a bad way but more as a medical description) that she is trying to figure out. With alcoholism (or drug abuse), the first step in getting treatment is to admit you have a problem and you need help. She has done this and I don't believe we should read any further into it for now
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Just once, I would like to hear someone admit their wrongdoing for the right reasons and acknowledge the real cause for their actions. In this case, as with many others, the admission came only after she was caught red-handed in a series of photos, and the admission was followed by an excuse that she knew would garner public support.

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She's a convicted criminal, a liar, a thief, a saboteur. With that repetitive history of behavior, anything she says is suspect and I just don't buy the convenience of an eating disorder to explain away her behavior and seek pity for illness. A leopard can't change its spots.

Exactly. She has zero credibility.

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So if Lance Armstrong had told Oprah he had an eating disorder and that's why he did all that stuff everyone here would be cool with him?

And here we had Lance weighing his food before the Dauphine Libere to get down to race weight for many of the 7 TdF wins and he failed to use his food weighing eating disorder excuse ????

In all seriousness, I don't think her statement, gets her off any hook other than some of us wishing her well to get help. I lean towards the inserted texts in Scotttriguy's post above, but I am just cynical about all this. In any case lady, go get the help you need (I wish her well on that, how can you not), but on the sporting front, serve a big ass sanction and then you can come back after having served all that. If the sanction is lifetime ban, you can come back to tri in the next life. I still feel this was seriously endangering another rider's life by tampering with equipment and for anyone who does that see the option of normal law's applying (charges).

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It's great that she acknowledges what she did and that it has opened up the possibility for getting some meaningful help for her issues but it's still tainted by the initial denials and efforts to obfuscate the truth.

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Scotttriguy wrote:
A leopard can't change its spots.

No, but it can paint itself all black and say "Hey! I'm a panther"

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So would she have forgone 70.3 Worlds since she has a "serious problem" and needs to go to a mental health facility ? Or is she going because she got caught ? Hmmmmmm....

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcoffee wrote:
Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.


Not defending this Kristen person, hope she gets a lifetime ban if guilty.
But looking at finisherpix of Ginny at LP 2016, her bike leg pics show what looks like fully inflated tires. If they were flat when you retrieved them afterwards, then maybe something else was up?

https://www.finisherpix.com/...0_022334#1320_022334


In fairness even at 40 psi from a distance, things can look pretty inflated. You'd have to get down to sub 20 psi to see it in an image at a distance....and also in fairness to Kirsten, even if she gets someone down to 60 or 50 psi, it won't result in an 18 minute slow bike split. Maybe 5 min. Amazing how fast you can ride on 60 psi. Chance of flatting goes up though from a pinch flat.

But if you are riding watts and getting passed like crazy, the obvious thing to do is up the wattage to keep up. In a short time you'll blow up, or burn too many matches and slow down even more. 5 min vs 18 minutes doesn't account for ones reaction to getting passed. On paper, 5 minutes might be right, but 18 minutes is understandable.

Years ago at IMNZ, both my titanium seat rails snapped. I couldn't ride aero and lost a bunch of time sitting up and riding. I lost more time off the bike A) checking what was wrong B) seeing if I could figure a way to fix it C) standing on the roadside chatting to the support van about what could be done. I lost about 45 minutes all up. If I'd fully understood the situation I'd have just kept riding and only lost 15 minutes or so.

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Mike Alexander wrote:
I don't have an eating disorder, so I am not an expert. I believe that the correlation would be that there is something wrong mentally. The eating disorder does not make her deflate tires, but it is indicative of her brain not working properly or with reason. Regardless of whether you believe that or not, she is searching for a reason for her behavior so she can correct it. It would scare the shit out of me if I looked up and had made as many poor decisions as she has. Not everyone will forgive her, understand, or believe there is a correlation to mental illness and her actions. That's fine.....she admitted her mistake, is seeking help and trying to change.
Or she lacks conscience and uses manipulation as tools she's built over time to deal with situations. She very well may have an eating disorder that is really just a symptom of a personality disorder of some kind. Just a guess from skimming through the stories about her over the last couple of days on here.
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I think Ms Johnson should have to be Ms Mongrain's butler.
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I hope the eating disorder thing is not a distraction from the racing restriction that need to be placed.
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tridork wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
SBRcoffee wrote:
Diehl78 wrote:
No . She was saying how she felt everyone was passing her and she rode her watts , it was very unusual that she would ever even say that, Kristen put 18 mins on her on the bike. We discovered it at bike check out . Oh and she smashed Kristen yesterday.


Not defending this Kristen person, hope she gets a lifetime ban if guilty.
But looking at finisherpix of Ginny at LP 2016, her bike leg pics show what looks like fully inflated tires. If they were flat when you retrieved them afterwards, then maybe something else was up?

https://www.finisherpix.com/...0_022334#1320_022334


In fairness even at 40 psi from a distance, things can look pretty inflated. You'd have to get down to sub 20 psi to see it in an image at a distance....and also in fairness to Kirsten, even if she gets someone down to 60 or 50 psi, it won't result in an 18 minute slow bike split. Maybe 5 min. Amazing how fast you can ride on 60 psi. Chance of flatting goes up though from a pinch flat.

But if you are riding watts and getting passed like crazy, the obvious thing to do is up the wattage to keep up. In a short time you'll blow up, or burn too many matches and slow down even more. 5 min vs 18 minutes doesn't account for ones reaction to getting passed. On paper, 5 minutes might be right, but 18 minutes is understandable.

Years ago at IMNZ, both my titanium seat rails snapped. I couldn't ride aero and lost a bunch of time sitting up and riding. I lost more time off the bike A) checking what was wrong B) seeing if I could figure a way to fix it C) standing on the roadside chatting to the support van about what could be done. I lost about 45 minutes all up. If I'd fully understood the situation I'd have just kept riding and only lost 15 minutes or so.


My question was answered by the experiences and times of others at a similar weight and strength as her but thanks for the input'

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I hope the eating disorder thing is not a distraction from the racing restriction that need to be placed.

She used a similar defense when she was caught stealing see article from front page "The Member sought to introduce new evidence during her submissions, in the form of a medical note from her physician dated May 1… the Committee gave little weight to these submissions about the Member’s medical history…”
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Runguy] [ In reply to ]
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Her middle name is Michelle?

I KNEW a Double Letter had to be in there someplace!!!



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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Obviously sport and winning mean enough to go outside fair play in sport. Now she may be without that which filled such a huge part of her life if banned. Motive, pre-meditated intent to do bodily harm, messing with another's equipment, so much about this totally on her. That said, mental illness is a real serious issue for anyone who cheats. Name any top pro cyclist or triathlete busted for breaking the anti-doping laws, or amateur for that matter, who cuts a course intentionally--it's an illness to win at ANY cost, not ultra competiveness. I imagine she is in a very dark place right now with few places of comfort around her. She knows she screwed up really bad. Saying, "I have a hang nail so I made the decision to cinch down their rear brake.." (or the equivalent) just doesn't have squat to do with it. It sounds as if nobody or very few really want to be around her in a race again, but she may be at an all time low in her life. We do not know because we are not in her shoes. I hope she gets the help she needs and finds an activity she can sanely participate in to bide her time with.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently it happens all over.

I had a friend racing IMCanada this weekend. When she grabbed her bike at T1 the rear tire was flat. She was being optimistic that it just blew up during the swim. (doubtful considering the cool weather). But then her power meter wasn't connecting, which was odd considering she calibrated right before leaving to go to the swim start. She was going to replace the battery, since she carries a spare just in case, but when she popped the battery compartment it was empty.

Somebody really didn't want her racing!
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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Ironfan wrote:
Apparently it happens all over.

I had a friend racing IMCanada this weekend. When she grabbed her bike at T1 the rear tire was flat. She was being optimistic that it just blew up during the swim. (doubtful considering the cool weather). But then her power meter wasn't connecting, which was odd considering she calibrated right before leaving to go to the swim start. She was going to replace the battery, since she carries a spare just in case, but when she popped the battery compartment it was empty.

Somebody really didn't want her racing!

Jesus. I'm starting to not like us triathletes.

What is really disappointing to me, is that there are probably slow-twitchers here that read these damn threads and they see how much cheaters are hated....but then they go out and ACTUALLY participate in this kind of behavior.

It makes me really lose trust and respect, here.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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It is official I am going to start putting tamper tape over the opening to every critical component. *half joking*
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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No plausible excuse for that one. Brutal!

Would love to see cameras mounted in transition. They don't all even have to be real. Some real and some dummies should act as a more of a deterrent.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [lifejustice] [ In reply to ]
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but then they go out and ACTUALLY participate in this kind of behavior.


Hope nobody is coming here to learn how to trash somebody else's race.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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Ironfan wrote:
Apparently it happens all over.

I had a friend racing IMCanada this weekend. When she grabbed her bike at T1 the rear tire was flat. She was being optimistic that it just blew up during the swim. (doubtful considering the cool weather). But then her power meter wasn't connecting, which was odd considering she calibrated right before leaving to go to the swim start. She was going to replace the battery, since she carries a spare just in case, but when she popped the battery compartment it was empty.

Somebody really didn't want her racing!

So after repairing a flat tire in T1, she started the ride, then after supposedly playing with her garmin/whatever, she pulled over to replace a battery in her power meter??
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
Ironfan wrote:
Apparently it happens all over.

I had a friend racing IMCanada this weekend. When she grabbed her bike at T1 the rear tire was flat. She was being optimistic that it just blew up during the swim. (doubtful considering the cool weather). But then her power meter wasn't connecting, which was odd considering she calibrated right before leaving to go to the swim start. She was going to replace the battery, since she carries a spare just in case, but when she popped the battery compartment it was empty.

Somebody really didn't want her racing!

So after repairing a flat tire in T1, she started the ride, then after supposedly playing with her garmin/whatever, she pulled over to replace a battery in her power meter??

Case of technology crippled athlete...
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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No, she did it all in T1.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Monastero] [ In reply to ]
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Monastero wrote:
I think Ms Johnson should have to be Ms Mongrain's butler.

The depth of this comment is greatly under-appreciated. But to many, it's about nothing. ;)

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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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Ironfan wrote:
Apparently it happens all over.

I had a friend racing IMCanada this weekend. When she grabbed her bike at T1 the rear tire was flat. She was being optimistic that it just blew up during the swim. (doubtful considering the cool weather). But then her power meter wasn't connecting, which was odd considering she calibrated right before leaving to go to the swim start. She was going to replace the battery, since she carries a spare just in case, but when she popped the battery compartment it was empty.

Somebody really didn't want her racing!

I'm (fairly) certain this happened to me at Oceanside earlier this year. I had two issues during the bike leg.

Issue #1: I noticed that I wasn't slowing down and heard a weird sound. Then, noticed that one of my front brake pads was gone.

Issue #2: After I noticed the brake pad was gone, my helmet strap came un-done. I don't remember if it felt loose before, but it must have not been threaded through the buckle much to have wiggled itself out.

Anyways, I just thought it was weird that two things happened to me that I've never experienced before.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Crispy] [ In reply to ]
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Lol....OK, lets not get too paranoid. Stuff happens. Do a better job at maintaining and checking all your gear. If someone wanted to mess with your bike, there are easier ways than loosening a brake pad holder and/or messing with your helmet strap........ :)
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [lifejustice] [ In reply to ]
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lifejustice wrote:
... there are probably slow-twitchers here that read these damn threads and they see how much cheaters are hated....but then they go out and ACTUALLY participate in this kind of behavior.

It makes me really lose trust and respect, here.




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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [CharlesYTri] [ In reply to ]
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CharlesYTri wrote:
but then they go out and ACTUALLY participate in this kind of behavior.


Hope nobody is coming here to learn how to trash somebody else's race.



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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like to see the T1 time..
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [Flagster] [ In reply to ]
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Flagster wrote:
I'd like to see the T1 time..

Same here. Unfortunately the IM results site does not list transition times in the overall results (in which it'd be easy to sort and look for outliers). You can only see the transition times by clicking on individual athletes.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
Flagster wrote:
I'd like to see the T1 time..


Same here. Unfortunately the IM results site does not list transition times in the overall results (in which it'd be easy to sort and look for outliers). You can only see the transition times by clicking on individual athletes.

If it's who I think it is, ended up a DNF due to an ankle issue after all of that......

If it isn't then there are two people who realized their PM battery was taken in transition at IM Canada.
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Re: AG Cheater BUSTED at Syracuse 70.3! [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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ZenTriBrett wrote:
... it's about nothing. ;)

Green Klein hanging from the wall.

OH! I get it!!

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