Looks like we have to wait until 8/31.

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Suffer Well.

I sure hope this is as underwhelming as it looks -- otherwise, it could cost me a serious amount of money.

1x crankset?

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Suffer Well.

The new SRAM Red Quarq is already 1x compatible. Seems like this may be the replacement to the Elsa as the top of the line PM for Quarq. Seems like it's about that time as the Elsa was released in late 2012 or 2013 if my memory serves me correct.

Not really sure what more it can offer though. The add says "regardless of how you ride"...whatever that means.

I'm currently looking to replace my older 975s, so I'm at least curious.

I'd be stoked if they did another trade-in upgrade promotion like they did in the past. I have an old SRAM S975 quarq that I've had on for years (and had an original CinQo before that). Even though I've been a happy quarq customer since 09 (I think) if I was going to buy a new power meter today I can't see myself going crank based again without some extra incentive given the convenience and affordability of the P1 pedals.

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Bluetooth compatibility, perhaps?

Dynamic Zero? What would that even mean?

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Maybe it means it can calculate the zero offset without one of the two processes used currently (pedalling backwards, going through the heat unit). Basically it estimates the zero offset continuously "regardless of how you ride."

Just a guess.

Quarq have a staging site (online draft)
https://staging.quarq.com:4433/store/item/1766/


BLE
fits BB386 (which means I can finally consider those frames)
looks like they're doing an OE crank so bikes that have one can be easily upgraded to power


no details on whether dzero means anything for calibration

My (total) guess is "D Zero" stands for "zero drift" :-)

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http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/

"The DZero Power Meter Spider pairs with Quarq Prime"

What's that??

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http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/

Nice find!

The info indicates the BLE capability may only be for use with the Qalvin app. Taking a page from Garmin's approach of only supporting ANT+ sensor transmission while using BLE for data transfers?

Looks like SRAM will be changing their crank spider interface to the Quarq 8 bolt setup for at least some of their line in 2017.

Kind of bummed to not see continued use of the Shimano 4 bolt 110 chainring set up used on the Elsa RS. Maybe they will offer this moving forward.

BB386 compatibility is a nice addition.

They still do the loyalty program, $500 for spider only (Riken), $699, for the Riken with arms, $899 for Elsa with arms. Not sure if they'll offer something for the dzero, or if the loyalty costs for the Riken and Elsa will drop soon.

I too have a 975 that still technically works...but having issues where the unit won't wake up after 5 minutes of inactivity unless I remove the battery and put it back it. Dealing with it now, but need a replacement soon. Probably sticking crank based though as I find the swap process (for GXP) extremely easy.

That seems to be the crank that they're promoting to bike brands for OE spec. So the bike is 'primed' for a spider upgrade

I wonder if this somehow ties in with the discontinuation of quarq xx1 I found out about today as I tried to order one

Slowtwitch will have details for Interbike.

Just for further clarification

http://www.bikerumor.com/...ng-stock-bikes-2017/

Optimus Prime's cousin?

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Vector Cycle Works
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Toughman Triathlon Series Ambassador

Kudos to Quarq, because that is a very shrewd move.

Very Shrewd retailers should have a spider or 2 in stock to upgrade people on the fly.

Shrewd Specialized dealers have already been doing this with the S-Works cranks and the Quarq upgrade spider already. Now there is just a little more advertising to go along with it.

The spider looks a lot like the special FSA Gossamer used for Power2Max PMs, so perhaps you are on to something here. Maybe we're seeing an emerging PM spider standard?

Edit: Never mind. I misunderstood what you said, read the BikeRumor article Pyrhana linked, and looked at the Quarq website. I'm way off base. The P2M/Gossamer version is 6 bolts.

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Perhaps these also allow the use of a solid aero chainring in the 110 BCD based upon the updated shape of the spider.

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Suffer Well.

From the staging site:


DZero

● Bluetooth low energy technology and ANT+ wireless data transfer
● AxCad -- no magnet
● 10K Temperature Compensation
● Battery -- CR2032, 200 hour battery life, change without tools
● OmniCal -- swap chainrings without affecting accuracy
● 2-year warranty
● IPX7 waterproof rating
● Accuracy -- within 1.5%, measuring both legs

Elsa:

10K™ temperature compensation eliminates temperature effects on power measurement.
AxCad™ accelerometer cadence removes the need for a magnet.
An LED and visible ANT+™ ID streamline installation and operation.
OmniCal™ means you can change chainrings without affecting accuracy.
CR2032 battery – 300 hours of riding time.
ANT+™
+/- 1.5% accuracy
Exogram™ Hollow Carbon crank arms
Power Balance™
Quarq power meters have an IPX7 waterproof rating

So Bluetooth and BB386 are the biggest changes.

I don't see Power Balance on the DZero.

It looks like you lose 100 hours of riding time (although on the specs page of the DZero it says 300 hours so this may be a typo). Also the Specs page doesn't list BB386 so maybe it just isn't fully updated.

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Suffer Well.

They definitely do the loyalty program. My original Quarq Cinqo kicked the bucket a couple of weeks ago. Replaced it with the spider only. I don't feel as special without my serial number "138" handwritten on the unit. ; )

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!


I have to think they spent two years of engineering labor doing more than adding Bluetooth and a BB standard. I hope.

Edit: OK, so they did some mechanical packaging to make it an easily swappable spider. OK. I guess that's nice. But doesn't given existing Quarq owners much incentive to upgrade.

I'm guessing this is due to the Bluetooth addition. Might be one of those, if using Bluetooth then 200 hours and Ant+ only 300. I'd think they would have it programmed to transmit Ant+ and Bluetooth upon waking up and if no Bluetooth device is paired/connected it will auto shut-off (at least I hope they'd put that feature in). That way it will sap less battery power. But that is speculation on my part but if I was involved with the development I'd try to get that feature put in.

Unless the Elsa/Riken etc go down in price, then i am all for it!!

Where's DC Rainmaker when you need him?!

When Quarq is launching on Aug 31, I'm betting he's got an embargo until that date as well.

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http://www.bikerumor.com/...ng-stock-bikes-2017/

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Post 19.

oops didn't see that

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Aren't the current Force 22 and Rival 22 cranksets already compatible with Quarq (as well as P2M) power meter spiders? So really, this whole "Quarq Prime" isn't really anything ground breaking.

From a marketing point of view though, it does seem pretty smart in that the crank arms now say Quarq on it...and a bike snob (most of us) may be more inclined to buy a Quarq instead of another brand PM just to make it match.

The new DZERO! http://www.quarq.com/...quarq-dzero-platform

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Hmmm, so it looks as though this new system is going to take the place of their entire lineup?

P2Max cheaper even if u don't have the crank.

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Anyone know when these will become available?

AVAILABLE SEPTEMBER 15, 2016.

https://www.quarq.com/store/item/1767/

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Suffer Well.

Does 8 bolt and simplified product line imply that 30mm BB spindles are no longer offered?

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Suffer Well.

If you look in the store link above you will see both BB30 and GXP options available.

I can't say, but I was told it would be revealed (or perhaps just shown?) here:

http://www.itp4es.com/

http://www.quarq.com/..._11x8-5_082616v1.pdf

What is DZero?

The team at Quarq are decidedly science geeks. The
Spearfish, S.D., company was named after the quark,
the elementary particle that has never been observed or
isolated. The DZero detector involves an intense search
for subatomic clues that could reveal the building blocks
of the universe. It’s one of the world’s most sensitive and
accurate devices — just like Quarq Power Meters.

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It reads that "quarq prime" is the marketing name for the crankset that is power ready. you have a quarq prime cranked and fit a dzero spider into it. as mentioned before this is a brilliant marketing move. adding a power meter is now easier to add in that many other bike components.

When I wrote "I can't say", I meant that I really could say, but should not (and will not).

I understood what you ment. I'm saying that when you read all the marketing out now the quarq prime is the crankset only. there is no mention of quarq prime being a new system or tech or platform. please refer to the bicycling write up below:

http://www.bicycling.com/...er-meter-ready-crank

I think that Quarq Prime is a new tech system. It's more than just the crank. Either way, we will know soon!

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More Quarq DZero news! http://www.bikerumor.com/...s-simplified-lineup/

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So the obvious question then becomes...are they going to start blowing out their Riken and Elsa products soon in a similar way they blew out the 975s. I got my 975 back in 2013 when the price was cut from to $999. This was also back when the Riken was priced around $1300 and the Elsa around $1600.

If the DZERO is now priced at $1079...you would think they might drop the price of the Elsa to around $799 and the Riken to $599. The Elsa was priced at $1249 I think...and nobody is going to pay even $999 for it now.

Yeah and with firmware updates to the Riken over time there really wasn't much to differentiate the Elsa besides the spider being slightly lighter and shorter crank arm options.

One strange spec is that the DFour version of the DZero shows that it will not be compatible with the next generation DA9100 chainrings. That doesn't seem like a great idea.

Well...the 9000 and 9100 rings are not cross compatible to begin with so I wouldn't necessarily expect the Quarq dfour to accept both rings. Wondering if Quarq will stay away from the 9100 series crank being that Shimano is developing their own crank based power meter in the 9100-P.

Oops. I missed that non-compatibility info from the Shimano, but it doesn't surprise me with their groupset product development processes.

But it is compatible with 9000? I am assuming that will replace the Elsa? Not too surprised they are not going to support 9100, (a) it seems to not exist at the moment, (2) rumors are suggesting the new Shimano PM will be priced fairly high and Quarq might as well just leave the Shimano users with one less option and reason to use 9100.

Pricing seems very good at roughly 1k, probably will see them online soon for 850-900, so pretty good deal overall. P2M's new NG power meter is priced similarly, but you do not have the same ease of customer support you get from Quarq. The market seems to be pretty full at the moment and any crank based PM over 1k is going to be hard to justify.

Just got mine as an RMA replacement for my 975. They told me it was on back order until Oct 17th, but since most of their orders were bulk (for shops and online stores) and my order was just one, they could sneak it in.

Nice to be able to connect to it using my iphone using bluetooth rather than trying to get a ANT adapter. Might actually start giving zwift a try too once the ipad app comes out since my laptop is a little old and doesn't have a good enough graphics card. But all in all...just seems like a functioning crank based power meter after one ride.

Not replying to any post directly, just using this is a spot to share some weights since I couldn't find that information anywhere. I had some time on my hands after being frozen into the house for a few days. All cranks are 30 mm spindles and 175 mm length (not that crank length impacts weight of cranks).

The Quarq Prime carbon fiber crankset weighed within 4 grams of my Force 1, so I'm fairly sure the Quarq is just an 8 bolt version of the Force.

The Quarq prime aluminum crankset weighed 200 grams more than the carbon fiber one. Ouch. It's a re-branded Rival with the updated 8 bolt power-ready design.

I weighed them without any spaces, bolts or spiders just to get comparisons vs. absolute weights.

Several sites list the Quarq and the Red Prime / Power-ready cranksets as the same weight. There's some stuff about "Exogram" carbon fiber being used on the Red vs. the Quarq, but Exogram always referred to the hollow, one piece crank arm and spider design, not the type of carbon fiber. Even the ST article says they are different, but I don't think that's correct.

Boring pictures of my food scale here.

i wouldn't get too wound up in this just now. wait a couple of days.

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aka Slowman

Not wound up. Just trying to provide some insight as I couldn't find anything definitive and some resources contradict each other. Mostly surprised how much the aluminum ones weigh. Also surprised to see what the Quarq branded carbon fiber cranks were selling for on the secondary market vs. the power ready Red branded cranks when I'm pretty sure the only difference is paint.

Looking forward to seeing what you share in a couple of days.

Appreciate you sharing, looking forward to more details coming out.

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Ah, now I see.

you'll read an overview of this on slowtwitch within the hour. the first AXS article is up now on the front page. i'll have probably 5, maybe 6 articles on all of this by the time i'm done, all today and tomorrow, including Quarq.

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aka Slowman

That Red crankset with the aero chainrings looks really nice, but I assume it is not available in short crank versions?

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Dimond Bikes Superfan

exactly.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Is it true that you have to replace the powermeter when the chainrings wear? Interesting concept...

if you read my article on the front page on this new PM this and other interesting questions are answered.

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aka Slowman

Is the new Force AXS stuff the same 8 bolt pattern as the Quarq DZero stuff?

yes.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Not an interesting concept. Stupid concept. I switch out my chainrings depending on terrain. No way would I want to be forced to buy an extra PM just for that privilege.