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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?

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Do we actually know how she got cured? Have read all the books and seen all the TV episodes but honestly can't remember anything specific!
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Do we actually know how she got cured? Have read all the books and seen all the TV episodes but honestly can't remember anything specific!

Stannis brought in every maester he could find, and eventually she was cured. Whether they determined what exactly cured her, I don't know. I just thought it was an interesting way to tie things together.

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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?
Dragon fire will be the cure. His body will be 90% covered and then he'll stand in front a dragon and poof! Cured!
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I thought the greyscale that affects children and the greyscale affecting Jorah are technically 2 different things. Many children survive greyscale and become immune to the deadly kind, but are disfigured.

EDIT: From A Wiki of Ice and Fire:

Greyscale generally affects children, especially in cold damp climates. The afflicted flesh stiffens, calcifies, and cracks. The victims are disfigured, but also rendered immune to the rarer fatal form and to the grey plague.[3] The free folk consider people who survive greyscale unclean, and prefer to euthanize them rather than take the chance that they may live to infect others.[4]
The mortal form of greyscale begins by affecting the extremities, noticeable only by a blackened fingertip or loss of sensation. As numbness creeps up a person's arms or legs, the flesh stiffens and grows cold, and the victim's skin will turn grey, resembling stone.[3] Blindness is common when the stone reaches the face,[3] and the tongue and lips turn to stone.[5] In the final stages, the curse turns inward, affecting muscles, bones, and inner organs. Although the disease is supposedly not painful, near the end, all victims go mad.[3]


So I wonder if the cures would be the same.
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First, I wonder if that wiki info is just speculation by the fanbase, or did all that detail info come from Martin. It could all be wiki wrong info.

Second, regardless of what wiki says, the show version does not have to follow it and have re interpreted how things work to suit their needs and story line.


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I don't know the answer to the first question. There are citations to the books for most of those "facts" but I can't confirm that is what the books actually say. I am a little late to the GOT train, and have not read much of the books.

True, tv doesn't have to follow books.
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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?

Nailing it.

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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?


Nailing it.

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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?


Nailing it.

Sure are.

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Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.



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What are the chances that Sam learns how Shireen was cured of greyscale, and Jorah gets cured by him? Too pat for GoT?


Nailing it.



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The show needs that to happen. Sam is awesome and the show needs some light.
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 Anyone else love it when Prince Pirate King kicked all the ass?
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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.



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Endo wrote:
First, I wonder if that wiki info is just speculation by the fanbase, or did all that detail info come from Martin. It could all be wiki wrong info.

Second, regardless of what wiki says, the show version does not have to follow it and have re interpreted how things work to suit their needs and story line.


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Aren't the writers in uncharted territory as far as storyline goes, anyway? I mean, given that George Martin hasn't gotten this far in his books? Is that true? And if so, like you say; they can pretty much write anything they'd like at this point.

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Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.

The spousal unit gagged a little at that point, because she thought it was Jorah Mormont's flesh, at first. That was great. ;-)

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Anyone else love it when Prince Pirate King kicked all the ass?

Man, did he. He took those two Sand Snakes down without too much trouble and he snatched up Yara Greyjoy SNAP! Just like that. And sent Theon running (or swimming, as the case may be) for his life. He's a fairly dangerous sort, boys. ;-)

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Everyone who watched it with me we mad because I kept yelling, "Chaos maker!" I've had my fill of unsexy sex and courtly politics. "You will swear your life to my fancy map or my midget shall eat you. "
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Everyone who watched it with me we mad because I kept yelling, "Chaos maker!" I've had my fill of unsexy sex and courtly politics. "You will swear your life to my fancy map or my midget shall eat you. "

Yeah, that scene was some full-on blood-and-guts pirate stuff, right there. At first, I thought we were going to get more Yara-the-lesbo nattering, which is getting a little boring at this point, but we were soon disabused of that notion.

Last night was the first episode that my wife felt they trod too close to at least softcore porn, by the way. In that scene between Grey Worm and Missandei. I asked her what version of GoT she'd been watching over the seasons? ;-)

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Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.

That was one of the Lannister soldiers, not Arya. But still awesome.

I like how they reconnect storylines from the past (like with the baker boy).

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The sex is always weird. Lets get those beautiful White Walkers down south and some fun.
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Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.


That was one of the Lannister soldiers, not Arya. But still awesome.

I like how they reconnect storylines from the past (like with the baker boy).

Who's now a walking dead man. ;-) Notice that Arya told him not to get killed, and Hot Pie replied "I'm a survivor." Sure thing, boyo. ;-)

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Anyone else love it when Prince Pirate King kicked all the ass?


Man, did he. He took those two Sand Snakes down without too much trouble and he snatched up Yara Greyjoy SNAP! Just like that. And sent Theon running (or swimming, as the case may be) for his life. He's a fairly dangerous sort, boys. ;-)


I'm having a hard time taking Euron Greyjoy seriously as an asskicker. His smack-talking scene last episode with Cersei was entertaining but I just don't buy him as a badass; maybe it's the eyeliner or something. The Hound though - that's a well-cast hard man. 6'6" Scotsman and according to the internet, "known for living a solitary, transient lifestyle...He often lives on his boat or in places without modern conveniences." He looks like he eats whiney fuckers for breakfast.
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klehner wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.


That was one of the Lannister soldiers, not Arya. But still awesome.

I like how they reconnect storylines from the past (like with the baker boy).

"The secret is browning the butter before adding it to the dough. Most people don't do that because it takes up too much time"
"Hm, I don't do that"
"You've been making pies?"
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big kahuna wrote:
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Anyone else love it when Prince Pirate King kicked all the ass?


Man, did he. He took those two Sand Snakes down without too much trouble and he snatched up Yara Greyjoy SNAP! Just like that. And sent Theon running (or swimming, as the case may be) for his life. He's a fairly dangerous sort, boys. ;-)


I'm having a hard time taking Euron Greyjoy seriously as an asskicker. His smack-talking scene last episode with Cersei was entertaining but I just don't buy him as a badass; maybe it's the eyeliner or something. The Hound though - that's a well-cast hard man. 6'6" Scotsman and according to the internet, "known for living a solitary, transient lifestyle...He often lives on his boat or in places without modern conveniences." He looks like he eats whiney fuckers for breakfast.

The Hound's becoming a bit introspective of late. And it's obvious the Lord of Light is keeping him around for a purpose. My guess is he's the one who eventually kills the Mountain (FrankenVader) in single combat, but suffers a mortal wound himself and dies by his brother's side. ;-)

Euron Greyjoy, supposedly the greatest captain in the 14 seas, was all hot to whack his niece and nephew when he gained the salt throne and he'd already done for his brother, Balon Greyjoy. Sociopathic, at minimum. And likely to off Cersei were he ever to be successful in marrying her. But I think Theon's still got a part to play in Euron's ultimate downfall. The show's two producers implied that they weren't done with repairing Theon's arc, in the after-show piece last night.

As a writer, I can see how they'd work that out. I wasn't surprised at Theon running (or swimming) away, either. Like Benioff and Weiss said: you can't just turn Theon into a courageous man in the blink of an eye. The Reek still runs strong in him, at present.

Next week, we see the Unsullied and the Dothraki invade Casterly Rock. I wonder what that bodes for Grey Worm, now that he's got more than just his orders from Dany to fight for? If George Martin were in charge of the writing, my guess is he'd end up being killed, but who knows how thoroughly Benioff and Weiss want to hew, these days, to Martin's idea of the GoT universe?

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klehner wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.


That was one of the Lannister soldiers, not Arya. But still awesome.

I like how they reconnect storylines from the past (like with the baker boy).


"The secret is browning the butter before adding it to the dough. Most people don't do that because it takes up too much time"
"Hm, I don't do that"
"You've been making pies?"
"One or two"

Hahahaha! That was classic. My wife and I laughed for a few minutes over that one. ;-)

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What do you think happens when Jon Snow runs across Melisandre, the red witch, at Dragonstone? Or maybe she gets word that Snow's coming and hightails it? I think Snow and Ser Davos told her they'd kill her if they ever saw her again.

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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.

I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Destroying a fleet isn't bad ass enough for you?
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Destroying a fleet isn't bad ass enough for you?

The loss of that part of the fleet now leaves open the question of just how Dany and her forces can lay siege to King's Landing, without Dorne's military forces. Cersei will have Ellaria and her daughter as captives -- Euron's going to take those two and Yara back to King's Landing -- and I'm not sure troops from Dorne could get there via an overland march.

This changes Tyrion and Dany's strategy and tactics now. They're without a fleet until the other half can return from Casterly Rock, correct? What's that old military adage about not splitting your forces, which they did when they divided their fleet? Certainly, Jon Snow as well as the Tyrells don't have a fleet. I don't think Braavos and the other free cities and their mercenary fleets will come to the aid of Dany, at least not this season. It's a tough nut to crack, in other words.

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Destroying a fleet isn't bad ass enough for you?

Not really - I didn't see anything that made me viscerally believe "he" destroyed the fleet. I saw nothing on the intellectual side that showed him to be some master tactician, the way Tyrion was when he orchestrated the defense of King's Landing. And from the physical standpoint he just doesn't have the je ne sais quoi that projects a sense of "you better back up bitch or I will wreck you". Felt the same way about Orlando Bloom as Legolas in LOTR.
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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.


Yeah, this was the one plot point last night that was just waaay to convenient, to have the two armadas meet up. I hope Varys or the old Tyrell woman had a hand in it.

The storyline is moving so fast in these episodes, I can tell it is losing story quality.

As each season goes on, the more and more I dislike Dany. At the core she is an entitled, megalomaniac, petulant tyrant and conquer. I think she's a bit of a sociopath also. My guess is that at the end of this series, Dany is dead. I don't think we'll see the story end with Jon and Dany living happily ever after, either together or separate.

I also think the White Walkers may not end up being all bad. There is more to their background and motivations. As we've seen time and time again, there are no true bad or good people in GoT. There always seems to be two sides of the coin and I don't think we've seen the other side of the Night King's coin.



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Thanks, dude

Heh. I remembered that one from last week's thread. It's very memorable. ;-)

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Definitely rushed, which is frustrating. I know Euron was on a mission to build up his armada, but how did he get such a destructive fleet so soon? I thought Reek and his sister left with the best ships? They looked wholly overmatched in the battle.

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I don't think we'll see the story end with Jon and Dany living happily ever after, either together or separate.

It'll end with Jon and Dany sitting in a NJ diner eating onion rings and flipping through the juke box. ; )



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Certainly, Jon Snow as well as the Tyrells don't have a fleet. I don't think Braavos and the other free cities and their mercenary fleets will come to the aid of Dany, at least not this season. It's a tough nut to crack, in other words.

Well apparently you can build one in a blink of an eye. I would've liked some mention of a timeline on that because it seemed like they built that fleet of giant ships in about a week.

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I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath.

Did you notice the very last thing she said when Nymeria left? "No, it's not really you." - could it be that Bran was warging into Nymeria and seeing Arya?

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Certainly, Jon Snow as well as the Tyrells don't have a fleet. I don't think Braavos and the other free cities and their mercenary fleets will come to the aid of Dany, at least not this season. It's a tough nut to crack, in other words.


Well apparently you can build one in a blink of an eye. I would've liked some mention of a timeline on that because it seemed like they built that fleet of giant ships in about a week.

That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?

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I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath.


Did you notice the very last thing she said when Nymeria left? "No, it's not really you." - could it be that Bran was warging into Nymeria and seeing Arya?

Nope. They explained that after the show. It harkens back to season 1 when Ned Stark tells Arya she could be a lady some day and Arya responds, "That's not me." Arya had to be free and wild. Arya recognizes Nymeria is no longer domesticated and needs to be wild like she is.

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That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?

The only mentions I can think of is Euron(?) says they are going to build new ships after those two took the best ships. Then the scene where the ships on are there way to kings landing. Then last nights sea battle which looks like theon is floating in the wreckage of most of his fleet. I liked how theon reverted back to reek after looking around and hearing all the cries. I liked how they got ambushed. I hated that this new fleet is suddenly around and so easily decimated the "old" fleet. It just seemed really rushed as I think someone early put it for this episode.

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I don't think we'll see the story end with Jon and Dany living happily ever after, either together or separate.

It'll end with Jon and Dany sitting in a NJ diner eating onion rings and flipping through the juke box. ; )

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That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?


The only mentions I can think of is Euron(?) says they are going to build new ships after those two took the best ships. Then the scene where the ships on are there way to kings landing. Then last nights sea battle which looks like theon is floating in the wreckage of most of his fleet. I liked how theon reverted back to reek after looking around and hearing all the cries. I liked how they got ambushed. I hated that this new fleet is suddenly around and so easily decimated the "old" fleet. It just seemed really rushed as I think someone early put it for this episode.

Definitely rushed. This new armada seems vastly larger and superior to the "best ships" taken by Yara and Reek. This of course, begs the question - if you the Iron Islands had the ability and capacity to make these "super ships," why did they not do so in the first place? Yara runs off with the better part of the Iron Fleet. She had at least 100 ships and they were said to be "the best." As she is sailing off, Euron says, "Build me a thousands ships and I will give you this world."

So, how many were built and when? If they were capable of this number and size, why did they not have this fleet before?

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That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?


The only mentions I can think of is Euron(?) says they are going to build new ships after those two took the best ships. Then the scene where the ships on are there way to kings landing. Then last nights sea battle which looks like theon is floating in the wreckage of most of his fleet. I liked how theon reverted back to reek after looking around and hearing all the cries. I liked how they got ambushed. I hated that this new fleet is suddenly around and so easily decimated the "old" fleet. It just seemed really rushed as I think someone early put it for this episode.

Definitely rushed. This new armada seems vastly larger and superior to the "best ships" taken by Yara and Reek. This of course, begs the question - if you the Iron Islands had the ability and capacity to make these "super ships," why did they not do so in the first place? Yara runs off with the better part of the Iron Fleet. She had at least 100 ships and they were said to be "the best." As she is sailing off, Euron says, "Build me a thousands ships and I will give you this world."

So, how many were built and when? If they were capable of this number and size, why did they not have this fleet before?

I think the writers engaged in a bit of compression as regards the new fleet and other aspects of the story. It looks like a couple of years, at minimum, have passed since the ironborn took to building that fleet for their new king. I suppose if every man and boy were put to the task they could have turned out a fleet like that, under the proper guidance, or maybe whip lash, of their new king.

Being an old Navy man, and knowing a little about England and how she built her fleet, I'm wondering just where the ironborn got all their wood and other naval supplies? Because it sure seems like the Iron Islands were barren and windswept l and almost totally devoid of wood. Or at least wood in sufficient quantities to build a thousand-ship fleet. But that's where suspension of disbelief is supposed to come in for all of us, I suppose. :-)

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Who cares who's boats are bigger, or faster, or whatever ...

Did these two navies just happen to bump into each other? One on its way from Dragonstone to Kings Landing and the other from Kings Landing to Dragonstone?

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He's is not a military genius at all. He is a chaos maker. His whole purpose is to burn and destroy. The show needed it badly. All the fancy maps, old ladies lecturing everyone because she is old, uncomfortable sex, my chubby awesome buddy cleaning out bedpans for 45 minutes and the endless boredom of John Snow talking to a room full of Scotts was just killing me. Now we have someone who is uncontrolled fearless and will come to no good. EXCITEMENT!!!

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Who cares who's boats are bigger, or faster, or whatever ...

Did these two navies just happen to bump into each other? One on its way from Dragonstone to Kings Landing and the other from Kings Landing to Dragonstone?

"Excuse us! We're on our way to kill your queen"
"Well, we are on our way to kill your queen"

It was clear last week that Euron knew where Yara's and Theon's fleet was and where it would be. Somebody is feeding him information, and he probably has spies out and about, if he knows what's good for him. He's a ruthless sod, and likely to betray all of them and take Westeros for himself as soon as he sees the main chance.

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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]

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The dragons are going to be a problem for me. Too big and too powerful. Whatever they do to defeat them will be lame and not believable.
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There's going to be a massive mountain of anti-dragonglass under Kings Landing; like Kryponite for dragons

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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]

Or you make three of them...

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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]

I thought he said they were building multiples of them.

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Who cares who's boats are bigger, or faster, or whatever ...

I do.......... in a show with giants, dragons, witches, people who come back from the dead, frozen zombies, slave armies and diseases which turn you into some kind of rock lizard, you goddam can't make a fleet of giant ship appear over night on an island that looks like it only had a few trees to begin with. It ain't right.

That and most of the show has a timeline establishing things. This happened in a distorted fashion.

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The dragons are going to be a problem for me. Too big and too powerful. Whatever they do to defeat them will be lame and not believable.

I suspect the dragons won't be used on the human vs human battles, or at least very much. Maybe very limited use strategically.

I think they will come in heavily during the white walker battle(s).
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The dragons are going to be a problem for me. Too big and too powerful. Whatever they do to defeat them will be lame and not believable.

poison meat?
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Most probably and that is too easy. You get my point? There is a problem with creating characters with a huge amount of power.
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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]


I thought he said they were building multiples of them.


I think the big crossbows are a head-fake with regards to plot, since I'm a believer in the theory that we'll see the three Targaryens (allegedly) all riding a dragon (Dany, Jon, and Tyrion). So ain't no dragons gonna die.

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The dragons are going to be a problem for me. Too big and too powerful. Whatever they do to defeat them will be lame and not believable.


poison meat?

Matthew McConaughey.


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I think they will come in heavily during the white walker battle(s).

I always thought this ever since the white walkers showed.

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I think the big crossbows are a head-fake with regards to plot, since I'm a believer in the theory that we'll see the three Targaryens (allegedly) all riding a dragon (Dany, Jon, and Tyrion). So ain't no dragons gonna die.

But then I also think something will happen to prevent the dragons from going north and melting the white walkers. It just seems to easy for them to go up there and wipe them out.

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If the Wall spans from sea to sea and winter is coming (or is here) - wouldn't the sea freeze, allowing the White Walkers to simply walk around the Wall?

Why hasn't anyone sent a sparrow to John Snow regarding the arrival of his brother at the Wall?

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Why hasn't anyone sent a sparrow to John Snow regarding the arrival of his brother at the Wall?

Maybe because they killed him and don't give two shits about him?

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I had speculated that they would have some pop star sing a song in each new episode. Damn!
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I think they will come in heavily during the white walker battle(s).


I always thought this ever since the white walkers showed.

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I think the big crossbows are a head-fake with regards to plot, since I'm a believer in the theory that we'll see the three Targaryens (allegedly) all riding a dragon (Dany, Jon, and Tyrion). So ain't no dragons gonna die.


But then I also think something will happen to prevent the dragons from going north and melting the white walkers. It just seems to easy for them to go up there and wipe them out.

I think large scale destruction by dragons and their fire is overblown. They can roast buildings and such, but how effective are they really in a large scale battle scenario with people all running around and spread over many many square miles. Not to mention, the "enemy" will be mixed up and fighting the good guys, so dragons can't kill without killing their own.

Their dragon breath can only cover a small amount of a cone area in a burst and it is not an unlimited supply. Dragons are I think tactically specific in their use, but they cannot be like an atom bomb and lay waste to an army spread out.

I'm still hoping for the longshot crazy theory that the grandaddy of all dragons is actually lying beneath the ice wall, or actually the wall is formed around it. He's gonna wake up and be pre-bonded to Jon due to his Stark and Targaryen lineage.

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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.

Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.
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Why hasn't anyone sent a sparrow to John Snow regarding the arrival of his brother at the Wall?


Maybe because they killed him and don't give two shits about him?

Who are you talking about, the Night's Watch? After Snow was brought back to life, the mutineers were rounded up and hanged. Snow is King in the North, which includes the Wall and the Night's Watch. Am I missing something?

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I think large scale destruction by dragons and their fire is overblown. They can roast buildings and such, but how effective are they really in a large scale battle scenario with people all running around and spread over many many square miles.

Was it in last night's episode when they talked about how the dragons are what led the mad king to first conquer the 7 kingdoms? It seems like both sides are pretty worked up about them.

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j p o wrote:
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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.


Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.

Well, Euron was able to assemble a massive fleet of super ships in a matter of weeks, so I am guessing he was also able to develop radar, which likely aided in his recon efforts...

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Why hasn't anyone sent a sparrow to John Snow regarding the arrival of his brother at the Wall?


Maybe because they killed him and don't give two shits about him?


Who are you talking about, the Night's Watch? After Snow was brought back to life, the mutineers were rounded up and hanged. Snow is King in the North, which includes the Wall and the Night's Watch. Am I missing something?

Nah, I am.

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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.


Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.


Well, Euron was able to assemble a massive fleet of super ships in a matter of weeks, so I am guessing he was also able to develop radar, which likely aided in his recon efforts...


That would also help explain how accurate they were with whatever fire ballistics they were using. Which brings up another point. Eurons ships seemed to be pretty well lit also. Or at least had to have some kind of fires burning so how did Yaras ships not see them. Add to Yara being the commander and having special guests on her ship should've been in the middle of her armada for protection. So Eurons ship made it's way through all the others before the battle started ? Or the attack started and none of the other ships made a warning noise? Were all the sailors asleep? The entire thing was disjointed.

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Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.

I'm with you on Varys. What does he have to gain by tipping off Euron? He already betrayed Cersei by getting Tyrion out of Kingslanding and joining up with Dany. I tend to take him at his word that he does what he does to protect "the Realm." I don't think Dany has given him a reason to doubt her as the best choice . . . for now.

As for Olenna, what does she get out of betraying Dany? That would only help Cersei, which I can't see her doing. Maybe I missed something, but I don't buy her doing anything that would give Cersei a fighting chance to win.

My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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I think large scale destruction by dragons and their fire is overblown. They can roast buildings and such, but how effective are they really in a large scale battle scenario with people all running around and spread over many many square miles.


Was it in last night's episode when they talked about how the dragons are what led the mad king to first conquer the 7 kingdoms? It seems like both sides are pretty worked up about them.

It was the mad king's ancestor Aegon I who used dragons to conquer the Seven Kingdoms.

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Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.


I'm with you on Varys. What does he have to gain by tipping off Euron? He already betrayed Cersei by getting Tyrion out of Kingslanding and joining up with Dany. I tend to take him at his word that he does what he does to protect "the Realm." I don't think Dany has given him a reason to doubt her as the best choice . . . for now.

As for Olenna, what does she get out of betraying Dany? That would only help Cersei, which I can't see her doing. Maybe I missed something, but I don't buy her doing anything that would give Cersei a fighting chance to win.

My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I'm going for the simpler explanation. Super fleet was in Kings Landing. Kings Landing and Dragonstone are basically neighbors. Everyone knew Dany was there with her fleet. Euron just used his stealth ships and waited.
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It was the mad king's ancestor Aegon I who used dragons to conquer the Seven Kingdoms

that makes more sense. I thought I might have messed that up

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Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.


I'm with you on Varys. What does he have to gain by tipping off Euron? He already betrayed Cersei by getting Tyrion out of Kingslanding and joining up with Dany. I tend to take him at his word that he does what he does to protect "the Realm." I don't think Dany has given him a reason to doubt her as the best choice . . . for now.

As for Olenna, what does she get out of betraying Dany? That would only help Cersei, which I can't see her doing. Maybe I missed something, but I don't buy her doing anything that would give Cersei a fighting chance to win.

My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I read a theory on this that she is now a bit blinded by rage (even though she doesnt show it) at Cersei for destroying her enter, so this pushes Dany into acting more quickly against Cersei and not laying siege. Now Dany doesn't have the naval force to lay siege. I don't know if that really makes sense, but maybe. She (Lady Olenna) was certainly not happy last night.

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I'm just wondering why Dany didn't let the dragons serve as combat air patrol for the fleet? The dragons worked well against ships before....
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I'm going for the simpler explanation. Super fleet was in Kings Landing. Kings Landing and Dragonstone are basically neighbors. Everyone knew Dany was there with her fleet. Euron just used his stealth ships and waited.

If you look at the map, Yara was probably just about to head South when they were interrupted



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I'm going for the simpler explanation. Super fleet was in Kings Landing. Kings Landing and Dragonstone are basically neighbors. Everyone knew Dany was there with her fleet. Euron just used his stealth ships and waited.


If you look at the map, Yara was probably just about to head South when they were interrupted

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My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Bingo! ;-)

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My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Bingo! ;-)

How would that help him get Sansa, isn't that his ultimate goal ?

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Danno wrote:
My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


Bingo! ;-)


How would that help him get Sansa, isn't that his ultimate goal ?

I thought self-promotion and power were his ultimate goals. I think he'd like to possess Sansa, but he had control over her once before and gave her to Ramsey for the sake of consolidating his position in the Realm.

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That would also help explain how accurate they were with whatever fire ballistics they were using. Which brings up another point. Eurons ships seemed to be pretty well lit also. Or at least had to have some kind of fires burning so how did Yaras ships not see them. Add to Yara being the commander and having special guests on her ship should've been in the middle of her armada for protection. So Eurons ship made it's way through all the others before the battle started ? Or the attack started and none of the other ships made a warning noise? Were all the sailors asleep? The entire thing was disjointed.

The writers did some studying of classic sailing ship naval battles in history. Salamis and Trafalgar (especially Trafalgar, it looks like), to name just two. Euron Greyjoy could have done what Lord Nelson did at Trafalgar: divide his fleet into two columns and direct them perpendicularly against Yara Greyjoy's own fleet.

By doing so, Euron's force was able to break Yara's force into two or three segments, surrounding Yara and Theon's flagship and their escorting ships and then force them to fight until the end. The second column of Euron Greyjoy's fleet dealt with Yara's remaining ships, who would be screened off and unable to receive signals from the flagship. Confusion and disarray would result. It was risky, and Euron could easily have died leading the boarding party, but no balls no blue chips, right? ;-)

Because Euron's force closed quickly with Yara's it prevented her ships from breaking off or escaping once they saw that the cause was lost. And because it was close-in fighting, her ships would have been unable to disengage, regain sail power and then reengage, reentering the fray. Euron's ultimate design was to bring on what was called, back in the days of sailing ship naval battles, a melee. Yara's ships would be also be forced into a frantic battle and their lines would have quickly been broken.

Euron was already acclaimed as the superior seaman when compared to Yara, and his fleet captains would have trained incessantly for the two-column direct attack and ensuing melee. He and his captains were also prepared for a fight; Yara Greyjoy's weren't, at least not at that time. She made a fatal tactical decision in not accounting for Euron's superior seamanship. His ships looked like they carried more sail, meaning they could beat to the wind more efficiently and travel more quickly, giving them greater maneuverability and ramming power, if needed.

If Yara's ships weren't rigged for a fight at that moment (and it looks like they weren't), Euron's ships -- which were rigged for one -- could have gotten in among her force fairly rapidly, before an alarm could have been sounded and general quarters stations -- prepared to repel boarders -- taken by her sailors. This is especially so if Euron's smaller, faster and well-armed ships could pick off Yara's screening ships, dispatching them before they could get word out to the flagship and its own screeners.

Likely, none of what I just wrote actually applied to this naval battle, though. Because it was made up for TV. ;-) Sails -- especially from a tall mainmast -- tend to be visible for miles off, even at night. Any halfway competent at-sea watchstanders would have seen him coming from nautical miles away.

So maybe Euron and his ships hid in a cove to await the passage of Yara's ships, unfurled all sail and came in from behind her, taking her fleet in the rear and setting off that melee? Who knows? I sure don't. LOL!

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My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


Bingo! ;-)


How would that help him get Sansa, isn't that his ultimate goal ?


I thought self-promotion and power were his ultimate goals. I think he'd like to possess Sansa, but he had control over her once before and gave her to Ramsey for the sake of consolidating his position in the Realm.

Littlefinger's ultimate goal is the Iron Throne, either with Sansa at his side (because he needs the legitimacy a Stark would provide) or without her. He admitted it himself to Sansa after the Battle of the Bastards. With Sansa and his own position as regent or whatever to his stepson, who's the ruler of the Vale, he's sitting in a good position to capitalize on things as they develop.

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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.


Not sure it was Varys that tipped them off, I would like to believe his speech and motives from last night. Could be Lady Olenna, or could simply be a Euron sympathizer on Yara's ships. And I think, if I recall correctly, it was clear last week that Cercei/Euron knew that Dany and that fleet were at Dragonstone, but perhaps Dany didn't know that Euron was at King's Landing. It could just be that Euron sat and waited. Even in the fog, Yara's ships were lit up brightly and could be seen. Does that mean "one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid"? I don't know, but perhaps Yara just isn't the commander we think she is.


Well, Euron was able to assemble a massive fleet of super ships in a matter of weeks, so I am guessing he was also able to develop radar, which likely aided in his recon efforts...


That would also help explain how accurate they were with whatever fire ballistics they were using. Which brings up another point. Eurons ships seemed to be pretty well lit also. Or at least had to have some kind of fires burning so how did Yaras ships not see them. Add to Yara being the commander and having special guests on her ship should've been in the middle of her armada for protection. So Eurons ship made it's way through all the others before the battle started ? Or the attack started and none of the other ships made a warning noise? Were all the sailors asleep? The entire thing was disjointed.


Hey, this was not unrealistic at all!

I mean, if a lousy container ship can dodge around and manage to ram an Aegis class destroyer, (probably the most advanced ship with the best sensors out there), I dont' think one sailing galley should have too much trouble ramming another.

I wonder if the captain of that container ship was named "Euron"...
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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]

When did GoT switch to The Hobbit?? That's what I want to know.



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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]


When did GoT switch to The Hobbit?? That's what I want to know.


Except in The Hobbit (the book), it was just a black arrow fired from a normal bow.

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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]


When did GoT switch to The Hobbit?? That's what I want to know.



Except in The Hobbit (the book), it was just a black arrow fired from a normal bow.

They wrote a book based on that movie?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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I wonder what the cycle time on that giant crossbow is gonna be?

Because, unless you get the three dragoons lined up just right, and shish-kabob all three at once, the other two are gonna cook your ass after you take the first one down [assuming it a clean kill on the first - and only - shot]


When did GoT switch to The Hobbit?? That's what I want to know.



Except in The Hobbit (the book), it was just a black arrow fired from a normal bow.


They wrote a book based on that movie?

I heard J.R.R. Tolkien was being sued by Peter Jackson for doing so.

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Yeah I have a feeling it will be Littlefinger on the throne of a destroyed kingdom all alone.

As far as the "how could they make the ships in weeks" questions. It has been at least a year. When Dany showed back up, Varys was just leaving for Dorne. Couple months to get there, couple months to get the Dornish ships ready, couple months back. Then load up all the Unsullied, Dothraki, horses and supplies and sail a couple months back to Dragonstone. Then, were Oleana and the Sand Snakes just waiting at Dragonstone or were they sent for on an overland journey or a few weeks to sail from Dorne, past Kings Landing and to Drangonstone? Couple months possible there too.

In that time, Euron has some highly focused ship building. There weren't doing anything else other than building ships. He had quite a few too when he showed back up. The monster ones were probably his already. Then, Euron and the Lannisters knew where Dany was going and it's just around the corner from Kings Landing. Wait for the ambush at that point.



big kahuna wrote:
Danno wrote:
Leddy wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Danno wrote:
My bet is that somehow, Littlefinger is involved. Haven't really worked out how in my head yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.


Bingo! ;-)


How would that help him get Sansa, isn't that his ultimate goal ?


I thought self-promotion and power were his ultimate goals. I think he'd like to possess Sansa, but he had control over her once before and gave her to Ramsey for the sake of consolidating his position in the Realm.


Littlefinger's ultimate goal is the Iron Throne, either with Sansa at his side (because he needs the legitimacy a Stark would provide) or without her. He admitted it himself to Sansa after the Battle of the Bastards. With Sansa and his own position as regent or whatever to his stepson, who's the ruler of the Vale, he's sitting in a good position to capitalize on things as they develop.
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and sail a couple months back to Dragonstone.

I'm guessing they call it the Narrow Sea for a reason, and not to be sarcastic.

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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.
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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.

It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)

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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.


It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)

Amazing what you can build without regulations, environmental studies and the like.
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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.


It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)


Amazing what you can build without regulations, environmental studies and the like.

Not going there, sir. ;-)

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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.


It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)


Amazing what you can build without regulations, environmental studies and the like.

Where are they getting the money for all this? I don't see any working people around to tax

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We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.


It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)


Amazing what you can build without regulations, environmental studies and the like.


Where are they getting the money for all this? I don't see any working people around to tax

Yup. I think Jaime Lannister mentioned that the Ironborn generally don't make anything and usually have stolen everything they have. ;-)

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Yup. I think Jaime Lannister mentioned that the Ironborn generally don't make anything and usually have stolen everything they have. ;-)

Like the wood they'd need to build all those ships? I don't recall seeing a single tree on any of the shots of the Iron Islands.

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Check out the map of Essos and Westeros and look where Slavers Bay/Bay of Dragons is and where they would need to sail to Sunspear (for Varys) and then Dragonstone.

It's a lot farther than Pentos, Lys or Bravos to Westeros.

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/...ation/18/dragonstone


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and sail a couple months back to Dragonstone.


I'm guessing they call it the Narrow Sea for a reason, and not to be sarcastic.

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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
We know how long its been because they showed Sam's girlfriends baby who looked to be between 2-3 years old, probably closer to two. He was a less than a year old last season.


It's amazing how many ships you can build when you're properly motivated. Like if you have a psychotic for a king who'll personally cleave your skull with an ax if you falter or fail. ;-)


Amazing what you can build without regulations, environmental studies and the like.

True dat. AND he was able to invent radar for his ships to track down the Greyjoy siblings!

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How about is Yara dead ? I originally thought she was but I rewatched the naval scene again. I don't thinks that's her hung firom the front of the ship as Euron sails away. It's the two sisters who died.

Oh and they also had some kind of metal sheeting inside the new ships that were built in a day. So add blacksmithing skills to that quick turn around.

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Yara is not dead. Yet. That was 2 of the sand snakes on the boat.
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Yara is not dead. Yet. That was 2 of the sand snakes on the boat.

X2. Euron took Yara, Ellaria and her daughter Tyene, the third Sand Snake, captive. I'm guessing he's going to parade them in chains when he gets back to King's Landing.

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Yara is not dead. Yet. That was 2 of the sand snakes on the boat.


On another note: Jesus, but those three were fairly useless when it got down to the short strokes. What a waste of film on the trio.

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Not all worthless. Tyene Sand gave us this scene.







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That's true. We'll always have her and Bronn, right? ;-)

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Speaking of Bronn, we haven't seen what he's up to this season yet.....
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Speaking of Bronn, we haven't seen what he's up to this season yet.....

Whoring and fighting his way through Westeros, no doubt. Because he's Sir Bronn of the Blackwater. ;-)

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Yara is not dead. Yet. That was 2 of the sand snakes on the boat.


X2. Euron took Yara, Ellaria and her daughter Tyene, the third Sand Snake, captive. I'm guessing he's going to parade them in chains when he gets back to King's Landing.

AKA the only one who's been topless...

The other two were displayed by their own weapons - older one skewered by her spear on the bow, and the girl from Iron Fist hung by her whip. One or two of them are the girt he mentioned last week - defiantly Ellaria, she killed a Lannister - Asha/Yara might be for Euron's own ends, she's the only one who has another claim to his throne.
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big kahuna wrote:
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Yara is not dead. Yet. That was 2 of the sand snakes on the boat.


X2. Euron took Yara, Ellaria and her daughter Tyene, the third Sand Snake, captive. I'm guessing he's going to parade them in chains when he gets back to King's Landing.


AKA the only one who's been topless...

The other two were displayed by their own weapons - older one skewered by her spear on the bow, and the girl from Iron Fist hung by her whip. One or two of them are the girt he mentioned last week - defiantly Ellaria, she killed a Lannister - Asha/Yara might be for Euron's own ends, she's the only one who has another claim to his throne.

Yup. We watched that series (Iron Fist) in its entirety (so far) earlier this year, and that's how my wife identified her in GoT; as "that girl from Iron Fist." ;-)

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I was talking with a co worker yesterday who thought it was Yara. What sealed it for me was how they were hanging. From memory yesterday I couldn't say definitively if it was her or not.

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I was talking with a co worker yesterday who thought it was Yara. What sealed it for me was how they were hanging. From memory yesterday I couldn't say definitively if it was her or not.

If he was going to kill her right away he'd have gutted her in front of Theon/Reek. He has something else planned for her, something that he thinks will remove Tyrion/Dany from the equation. They're still sitting on the other half of the fleet, the one that's taking the Unsullied and the Dothraki to Casterly Rock. He may or may not know about that. From the previews, which show the Unsullied in combat with some other force, a force that looks like the Lannister army, he may not be expecting that bold of a move. It's kind of like MacArthur at Inchon. It caught the North Koreans with their pants down.

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I was talking with a co worker yesterday who thought it was Yara. What sealed it for me was how they were hanging. From memory yesterday I couldn't say definitively if it was her or not.

If it was Yara, it would have been made really clear. And they would have shown her death. She's a major character.

I think the whole ship to ship battle scene's sole purpose was to contrive a way to give the fans what they wanted and mark a definitive end to what is the worst debacle in the show, which is the sand snakes and their mother, and well, really all of Dorne as a plot line.

I guess they'll string it out for another episode and we can watch Cercei torture and kill momma dorne and the remaining stupid sand snake.



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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.



Yeah, this was the one plot point last night that was just waaay to convenient, to have the two armadas meet up. I hope Varys or the old Tyrell woman had a hand in it.

The storyline is moving so fast in these episodes, I can tell it is losing story quality.

As each season goes on, the more and more I dislike Dany. At the core she is an entitled, megalomaniac, petulant tyrant and conquer. I think she's a bit of a sociopath also. My guess is that at the end of this series, Dany is dead. I don't think we'll see the story end with Jon and Dany living happily ever after, either together or separate.

I also think the White Walkers may not end up being all bad. There is more to their background and motivations. As we've seen time and time again, there are no true bad or good people in GoT. There always seems to be two sides of the coin and I don't think we've seen the other side of the Night King's coin.



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Only up to this part of the thread, but yes, am pretty sure Dany will end up dead. I think it would be good to see Jorah do it, given their complicated relationship and that he is a true man of honour who will do what he thinks is best. I think we will see a bit of a descent into darkness for Dany. She has the trappings of a tyrant in the making.

What some mistake for leadership is really just demagogy. Which is usually not a good mode of leadership given what it led us to in the 20th century (and hopefully doesn't lead us anywhere in the 21st century).
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Very intense episode last night. You knew that Euron and Yara would cross paths at some point, but even still that was a pretty wild battle scene; Theon morphed back into Reek but I can't imagine that's the last we'll see of him treading water among the wreckage (maybe Gendry rows by and picks him up?). I have to think that Varys tipped them off after the opening confrontation with Dany - Euron could very well have been heading towards Dragonstone anyway but it seemed too coincidental to just have them show up and attack, and also take Ellaria as "the gift".

I thought Arya was going to encounter White Walkers when her horse was spooked and you could suddenly see her breath. She had the best line in the episode when she was at the inn talking to Hot Pie: "You've been baking pies?" "One or two".

It was a little strange at first to see many of the characters from the different storylines throughout the series finally come together. I joked to my wife during Dany's strategy meeting that is like a meeting of the Justice League.


I hope that is true. Otherwise we are left with one side having perfect scouting and the other side being fuckall stupid.



Yeah, this was the one plot point last night that was just waaay to convenient, to have the two armadas meet up. I hope Varys or the old Tyrell woman had a hand in it.

The storyline is moving so fast in these episodes, I can tell it is losing story quality.

As each season goes on, the more and more I dislike Dany. At the core she is an entitled, megalomaniac, petulant tyrant and conquer. I think she's a bit of a sociopath also. My guess is that at the end of this series, Dany is dead. I don't think we'll see the story end with Jon and Dany living happily ever after, either together or separate.

I also think the White Walkers may not end up being all bad. There is more to their background and motivations. As we've seen time and time again, there are no true bad or good people in GoT. There always seems to be two sides of the coin and I don't think we've seen the other side of the Night King's coin.



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Only up to this part of the thread, but yes, am pretty sure Dany will end up dead. I think it would be good to see Jorah do it, given their complicated relationship and that he is a true man of honour who will do what he thinks is best. I think we will see a bit of a descent into darkness for Dany. She has the trappings of a tyrant in the making.

What some mistake for leadership is really just demagogy. Which is usually not a good mode of leadership given what it led us to in the 20th century (and hopefully doesn't lead us anywhere in the 21st century).

I think we are already seeing that with her pointing out last week that Jon Snow must "bend the knee". Seems to me she hasn't been that interested up until the last few episodes in that sort of showboating. She really seems to be changing now that she is so close to the throne.
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I think we are already seeing that with her pointing out last week that Jon Snow must "bend the knee". Seems to me she hasn't been that interested up until the last few episodes in that sort of showboating. She really seems to be changing now that she is so close to the throne.


Also, Lady Olenna gave Dany some advice during that war council scene, both at the beginning of the scene and at its end. In the beginning, after Dany told them that she didn't want to be a "Queen of the ashes," Olenna observed the following:


"I can't remember a queen who was better loved than my granddaughter . . . and what is left of her now? Ashes."

Olenna closes that remark with this: "Commoners, nobles, they're all just children, really. They won't obey you unless they fear you." (By the way, Cersei said something similar way back in the day, during the Battle of the Blackwater.)

At the end of the scene, when Olenna and Dany are discussing things privately, the elder lady tells the younger lady to be what she needs to be: "Be a dragon."

That's foreshadowing all the way, folks. ;-)

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Great (and gross) transition last night from a closeup of Sam removing the greyscale with all the pus oozing out, to the juice flowing from the pie crust as Arya prepared to take a bite.


That was one of the Lannister soldiers, not Arya. But still awesome.

I like how they reconnect storylines from the past (like with the baker boy).


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Well, Cersei and the Lannisters are certainly holding the whip hand right now.

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We knew she was going to torture Eliaria Sand but that is straight up Wicked.

I am looking forward to the look on Cersi's face when she finds out who really killed Joffrey.

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We knew she was going to torture Eliaria Sand but that is straight up Wicked.

I am looking forward to the look on Cersi's face when she finds out who really killed Joffrey.


Yeah, that was a good twist, but it was right out there for everyone to see, if you look back to Season 4. And that old lady was one tough bird right to the end.

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I was hoping she had poisoned that wine pitcher herself and then convinced Jamie to,drink,w her.

And am I the only one who felt a small bit of sympathy for Cersei last night
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I admire you for having sympathy for her. I find her the worst.

I have a weird question for everyone. Does anyone else have a hard time rooting for anyone because they see kings and queens as total bullshit? I love the side characters like shorty smart guy, fatty smarty awesome, little assassin bad ass, Ice king and all the like. I just can't stand nor care for the big boys and girls talking about the throne. Dragon Queeny McAnnoying is getting on my last nerve. The 12 hour bend the knee witless fest between Bleach Blonde and Personality Destroyer killed me. I just find fighting for power, in fiction or real life, pathetic and deeply sad.
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And am I the only one who felt a small bit of sympathy for Cersei last night

i suspect so.

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Still rooting for Daenerys . Jon Snow is starting to get annoying.

Another rushed episode last night. It seemed like they tried to jam what could have been another 2 episodes into the last few mins.

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She's a monster yes, but the speech about Myrcella may have been the first time she seemed human, including her walk of atonement.
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Still rooting for Daenerys . Jon Snow is starting to get annoying. He is good at brooding.

Another rushed episode last night. It seemed like they tried to jam what could have been another 2 episodes into the last few mins.


Things will change once the Three Eyed Raven talks to Jon.

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And am I the only one who felt a small bit of sympathy for Cersei last night

Probably. She made her own bed.

Am I the only one who noticed that the strong women in the show have taken a decided turn for the worse? Welcome to reality, ladies.

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Still rooting for Daenerys . Jon Snow is starting to get annoying. He is good at brooding.

Another rushed episode last night. It seemed like they tried to jam what could have been another 2 episodes into the last few mins.


Things will change once the Three Eyed Raven talks to Jon.

Does Brandon really know Jon's lineage? I assume that, being a bastard still, he has no claim on Dany's throne.

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And that old lady was one tough bird right to the end.

Yup, she'll be missed where she was always good for a great zinger or two in each episode.

One thing that I'm curious about is the prophecy that Melisandre eluded to with Varys, certainly seemed to get his attention and that is twice now that he has been visibly unnerved by something that a red priestess has told him. Whatever he whispered to Dany when she was having her pissing match with Jon also quickly changed her tone as well.

I laughed out loud at Davos' introduction of Jon after the lengthy listing of titles.



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And that old lady was one tough bird right to the end.

Yup, she'll be missed where she was always good for a great zinger or two in each episode.

One thing that I'm curious about is the prophecy that Melisandre eluded to with Varys, certainly seemed to get his attention and that is twice now that he has been visibly unnerved by something that a red priestess has told him. Whatever he whispered to Dany when she was having her pissing match with Jon also quickly changed her tone as well.

I laughed out loud at Davos' introduction of Jon after the lengthy listing of titles.

I assumed that was news of the loss of the rest of her fleet at Casterly Rock.
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Yes he does. Bran had the flashback dream where Ned promises Lyanna to take care of Jon. Bran knows Jon's father is Rhaegar. I think Bran will have to convince Dany of this, but once he does, Dany will not be able to "hold" Jon as a "prisoner" anymore. She also cannot expect him to bend the knee.

This means Sansa will be the "Queen in the North" as Bran doesn't want it. Sansa won't bend the knee but will rely on Jon's new found relationship with Dany to smooth that over and defend the North.

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Yes he does. Bran had the flashback dream where Ned promises Lyanna to take care of Jon. Bran knows Jon's father is Rhaegar. I think Bran will have to convince Dany of this, but once he does, Dany will not be able to "hold" Jon as a "prisoner" anymore. She also cannot expect him to bend the knee.

So Lyanna was whispering just so the TV audience couldn't hear it?

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And that old lady was one tough bird right to the end.

Yup, she'll be missed where she was always good for a great zinger or two in each episode.

One thing that I'm curious about is the prophecy that Melisandre eluded to with Varys, certainly seemed to get his attention and that is twice now that he has been visibly unnerved by something that a red priestess has told him. Whatever he whispered to Dany when she was having her pissing match with Jon also quickly changed her tone as well.

I laughed out loud at Davos' introduction of Jon after the lengthy listing of titles.


I assumed that was news of the loss of the rest of her fleet at Casterly Rock.

I thought it was news of the first loss of the fleet ? I thought they mentioned 2 or 3 ships surviving. Didn't they cut right to the scene of theon / reek being pulled from the water?

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We knew she was going to torture Eliaria Sand but that is straight up Wicked.

I am looking forward to the look on Cersi's face when she finds out who really killed Joffrey.

Judging by her soliloquy in the dungeon, I don't think she cares who REALLY killed Joffrey

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Things will change once the Three Eyed Raven talks to Jon.

If he is so "all-knowing, and all-seeing" why doesn't Bran let someone know where Arya is or send a boat out to find Gendry?

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Things will change once the Three Eyed Raven talks to Jon.


If he is so "all-knowing, and all-seeing" why doesn't Bran let someone know where Arya is or send a boat out to find Gendry?

What was the quote he used last night? I know all the things that have happened, or something like that. Not the present not the future. But there is still more for him to learn.

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In that case, maybe he knows she travelled to Braavos then and was in the House of Black & White? Then left to kill all the Freys?

Do they know about that at Winterfell, Dragonstone or Kings Landing yet?

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Well it is a "drama" series, no?
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Danaery's certainly seemed interested in Sir Davos' "he was stabbed in the heart" story. Even when Tyrion tried to explain it away as embellishment, she didn't seem convinced. I wonder if the Mellisandre told Dany something before she took off.

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Danaery's certainly seemed interested in Sir Davos' "he was stabbed in the heart" story. Even when Tyrion tried to explain it away as embellishment, she didn't seem convinced. I wonder if the Mellisandre told Dany something before she took off.

She did tell her to bring Jon Snow down and hear from him what he'd been through. Perhaps she put the two together.

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I just read this quote about last night show

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Leddy wrote:
Still rooting for Daenerys . Jon Snow is starting to get annoying. He is good at brooding.

Another rushed episode last night. It seemed like they tried to jam what could have been another 2 episodes into the last few mins.


Things will change once the Three Eyed Raven talks to Jon.

Yes. Bran's going to spill the beans to the King in the North for sure. Probably about a lot of stuff.

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And that old lady was one tough bird right to the end.

Yup, she'll be missed where she was always good for a great zinger or two in each episode.

One thing that I'm curious about is the prophecy that Melisandre eluded to with Varys, certainly seemed to get his attention and that is twice now that he has been visibly unnerved by something that a red priestess has told him. Whatever he whispered to Dany when she was having her pissing match with Jon also quickly changed her tone as well.

I laughed out loud at Davos' introduction of Jon after the lengthy listing of titles.

I suspect that Varys has heard a similar prophecy before. He pretty much threatened Melisandre's life in that scene. And she referred to him as "my spider," so she certainly knows more about him than he's aware.

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Danaery's certainly seemed interested in Sir Davos' "he was stabbed in the heart" story. Even when Tyrion tried to explain it away as embellishment, she didn't seem convinced. I wonder if the Mellisandre told Dany something before she took off.

She did tell her to bring Jon Snow down and hear from him what he'd been through. Perhaps she put the two together.

I'm just hoping that Jon and Dany don't become overly attracted to each other and end up going down the Cersei-Jaime road, even if they're not brother and sister and never find out they're blood to each other. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, making him Dany's nephew. That's too close on the family tree for comfort.





Cersei Lannister (Baratheon), bitch that she is, has NO claim to the Iron Throne and neither did her three children, only one of whom really deserved to die (and I can see why Cersei would torture Ellaria Sand in the manner she's chosen).

Jon Snow is, in Ser Davos's words, "a damn bastard," so his claim to the Iron Throne is tenuous at best.

Daenerys Targaryen still seems to have the strongest legitimate claim to throne, which is one reason Robert Baratheon was sending assassins her way.

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At present Daenrys has the strongest claim to the throne. However... if Jon's parentage was well known, and his Tygarean father was also revealed to have married his Stark mother, he's not a bastard: he's true born Tygarean, and the first in line for the throne.

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At present Daenrys has the strongest claim to the throne. However... if Jon's parentage was well known, and his Tygarean father was also revealed to have married his Stark mother, he's not a bastard: he's true born Tygarean, and the first in line for the throne.

Yup. My guess is Rhaegar did marry Lyanna and Bran is going to reveal that to Jon, but how would Jon go about proving it so (if he were even inclined in that direction)? Ned's sword fight with possible witnesses to the marriage -- Ser Arthur Dayne and his seconds -- put paid to that when Ned's second, Howland Reed, killed Dayne. Maybe there are other witnesses, such as the midwife in the Tower of Joy? Just a thought.

But yes; as Rhaegar was Dany's eldest brother, if Jon were in fact a true-born son of his he'd have the strongest claim of all.

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My guess is Sam is going to find a reference to Jon's mom and dad actually got married. Even if not, once Dany finds out that Jon is her nephew, no need for him to bend the knee anymore and she will offer up more support. And he gets his own dragon
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My guess is Sam is going to find a reference to Jon's mom and dad actually got married. Even if not, once Dany finds out that Jon is her nephew, no need for him to bend the knee anymore and she will offer up more support. And he gets his own dragon

Now that she's lost her fleet and her Unsullied are stuck at Casterly Rock, leaving only her Dothraki behind, I think that Dany is going to head off to King's Landing on one of her dragons, with the others following along, to attack the place and several of ex-maester Qyburn's infernal mechanized arrows takes them out. Dany falls into Blackwater Bay on the back of her favorite, Drogon, but survives.

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My guess also, Sam's going to find out whilst he's in Oldtown.How Sam gets this info to Jon et al remains to be seen. Maybe he could use the GoT time machine.

Not sure about Jon getting one of Daenrys' dragons though. I'm still holding out for an ice dragon under the wall.

Daenrys' isn't going to attack KL with her dragons - Tyrion knows KL is packed with wildfire and would go up like a tinderbox (queen of ashes?). The season trailers did show the dragons and Dothraki attacking Lannister army, so we should get some decent scorched earth.

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Sam is going to find something in the old scrolls the archmaester asked him to chronicle last night. It's either about Jon or white walkers.
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My guess also, Sam's going to find out whilst he's in Oldtown.How Sam gets this info to Jon et al remains to be seen. Maybe he could use the GoT time machine.

Not sure about Jon getting one of Daenrys' dragons though. I'm still holding out for an ice dragon under the wall.

Daenrys' isn't going to attack KL with her dragons - Tyrion knows KL is packed with wildfire and would go up like a tinderbox (queen of ashes?). The season trailers did show the dragons and Dothraki attacking Lannister army, so we should get some decent scorched earth.

Maybe she'll attack Euron's fleet as well? With that fleet, Cersei rules the seas and can blockade and raid at will. No else except maybe the mercenary fleets out of the Free Cities can stand against that armada.

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Sam is going to find something in the old scrolls the archmaester asked him to chronicle last night. It's either about Jon or white walkers.

Yeah, that was definitely a set-up and prelude to something bigger last night.

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I think it will take something material and witnessed, before people accept Jon as a Targaryen. Bran and/or Sam may plant the seed, but no one will accept that.

My guess is Jon's crucible moment with respect to his lineage and Targaryen litmus test will involve a dragon and fire. He rides or bonds a dragon and/or survives being burned. Something of that nature.

I like Dany even less than before after that episode.

Anyone notice a major mistake in how they filmed the two Sand bitches chained up...specifically the chain lengths in that scene's end? Way too much free chain length by a mile, each one of them could have easily just reached up and pulled their gag off and more importantly grabbed Cercei and killed her.

I just don't get the Euron thing. None of it. At all. Zero. Him. His scenes and plot lines. Zilch. Seems very much a distraction to the well developed plot line and major players at this point in the series. He's becoming the sand snakes v.2.



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Unsullied should have had Sean Connery guide them into The Rock.
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Unsullied should have had Sean Connery guide them into The Rock.

Yeah, and then they all could have banged the prom queen. ;-)

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He's part of the GoT psycho ratio. They've got to have at least one on the roster at all times: Joffrey; Ramsay; now Euron.

But in seriousness, he really is the joker in the pack - completely random, and adopting various personas for different audiences. For example: on the rope bridge when he kiled Baelon; to him addressing the ironborn at the kingsmoot; to when he put the moves on Cersei.

Who knows what he really wants in the TV series?

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Endo wrote:

Anyone notice a major mistake in how they filmed the two Sand bitches chained up...specifically the chain lengths in that scene's end? Way too much free chain length by a mile, each one of them could have easily just reached up and pulled their gag off and more importantly grabbed Cercei and killed her.

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The Mountain was standing near Cersei. They weren't grabbing Cersei.

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Yeah, that must have sucked. "Didn't my BF kill you? Fuck fuck fuckety fuck".

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The Mountain was standing near Cersei. They weren't grabbing Cersei.

When Euron entered the Throne Room with his prisoners in tow, did I see TWO FrankenVaders on the steps?



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Nah, I think that's just the Queen's Guard, same armor. Only one looked freakishly huge.

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Rumor is that Tyrion is also a Targaryen thus fulfilling the prophecy of a 3 headed dragon ruling Westeros. The 3 heads of the dragon being Dany, Jon, and Tyrion. It's also convenient that there are only 3 dragons left in the world.

There's a fair bit of supporting evidence for this theory:
The dragons did not immediately eat Tyrion when he released them from the dungeon
Tyrion said he always wanted a dragon - "even a little one will do"
Tywin's comment "You're no son of mind!"
Targaryens are immune to greyscale and Tyrion showed no symptoms after exposure

If this theory pans out, then Tyrion has the strongest claim to the throne since he's the eldest of the three. He'd make a pretty good king, in my opinion, as he's a good administrator during times of peace.
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i don't follow it as close as you all do, but here are my hopes, tho i'm pretty sure they'll all be dashed:

- notwithstanding their age difference, i hope jorah mormont and daenerys find eternal happiness.
- that brienne of tarth comes to fancy tormund giantsbane and they end up with a nice castle in the north.
- that somebody figures out how to cure wights, and that karsi (the wight), once cured, ends up with jon. i like them together.
- illy and sam need to end up ruling house tarly, and to be the warden of something.
- jaqen h'ghar, i hope we're not done with him yet.
- perhaps yara and ellaria will end up together (is yara still alive? i think so), but in the end dickless theon should save the entire day for everybody good, and end up ruling the iron islands.

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The ending should be Peter Falk closing the book and a terrified Fred Savage clutching his bed sheets and begging to keep the light on.....
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Ha! Awesome. I just re-watched that movie a week ago with my kids. Good stuff!
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Hey! I made a Princess Bride reference in here today, too

What's up with that?

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Rumor is that Tyrion is also a Targaryen thus fulfilling the prophecy of a 3 headed dragon ruling Westeros. The 3 heads of the dragon being Dany, Jon, and Tyrion. It's also convenient that there are only 3 dragons left in the world.

There's a fair bit of supporting evidence for this theory:
The dragons did not immediately eat Tyrion when he released them from the dungeon
Tyrion said he always wanted a dragon - "even a little one will do"
Tywin's comment "You're no son of mind!"
Targaryens are immune to greyscale and Tyrion showed no symptoms after exposure

If this theory pans out, then Tyrion has the strongest claim to the throne since he's the eldest of the three. He'd make a pretty good king, in my opinion, as he's a good administrator during times of peace.

That would be one HELL of a plot twist, and I hope that turns out to be the case. :-)

I think I recall Cersei, though, talking about how her mother gave birth to Tyrion and then died as a result, which is one reason why she has such animus (hatred?) toward him. But who knows? Tywin Lannister was a capital 'H' hardass, so anything's possible when it comes to him and what he connived at.

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i don't follow it as close as you all do, but here are my hopes, tho i'm pretty sure they'll all be dashed:

- notwithstanding their age difference, i hope jorah mormont and daenerys find eternal happiness.
- that brienne of tarth comes to fancy tormund giantsbane and they end up with a nice castle in the north.
- that somebody figures out how to cure wights, and that karsi (the wight), once cured, ends up with jon. i like them together.
- illy and sam need to end up ruling house tarly, and to be the warden of something.
- jaqen h'ghar, i hope we're not done with him yet.
- perhaps yara and ellaria will end up together (is yara still alive? i think so), but in the end dickless theon should save the entire day for everybody good, and end up ruling the iron islands.

-- Jorah Mormont's definitely got a big part to play in Dany's story arc, that's for sure. I don't know about eternal happiness, but maybe he gives his life for her at the penultimate moment?

-- Brienne and Jaime's fates are intertwined. Maybe Jaime gives his life for hers when they're fighting the white walkers in the final battle? (If such a battle takes place, that is.) Olenna Tyrell, who took a draught of poison from Jaime Lannister after Highgarden fell to his army, predicted that he'd end up dying (and not naturally, and old and in his bed), and what better way than giving it all up for Brienne? ;-)

-- I'm with you on Jaqen H'ghar. Dude's too cool not to have a role in the upcoming festivities.

-- Yara Greyjoy is still alive. Euron is pictured leading her away after depositing Ellaria and Tyene Sand in front of Cersei. Probably going to do all kinds of evil uncle things to her. And you're right about Theon, as well: he has to go through a little internal hell before he can cast off the Reek persona for good, and he will, at which point he'll do something legendary and heroic -- including killing Euron in mortal combat that will forever erase the stain of his betrayal of the Starks and of Yara, when he jumped off the ship and ran away rather than face Euron at that time and save her.

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The ending should be Peter Falk closing the book and a terrified Fred Savage clutching his bed sheets and begging to keep the light on.....

Or, Bob Newhart rolling over and waking up Suzanne Pleschette saying, "Honey, wake up you wont believe the dream I had".

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Both RandMart and I have mentioned this possible ending: Jon and Danny in the NJ diner eating onion rings and flipping through the jukebox. Just need a Lannister soldier in a Members Only jacket to slip in and out of the men's room to make it complete.



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Rumor is that Tyrion is also a Targaryen thus fulfilling the prophecy of a 3 headed dragon ruling Westeros. The 3 heads of the dragon being Dany, Jon, and Tyrion. It's also convenient that there are only 3 dragons left in the world.


There's a fair bit of supporting evidence for this theory:
The dragons did not immediately eat Tyrion when he released them from the dungeon
Tyrion said he always wanted a dragon - "even a little one will do"
Tywin's comment "You're no son of mind!"
Targaryens are immune to greyscale and Tyrion showed no symptoms after exposure

If this theory pans out, then Tyrion has the strongest claim to the throne since he's the eldest of the three. He'd make a pretty good king, in my opinion, as he's a good administrator during times of peace.


That would be one HELL of a plot twist, and I hope that turns out to be the case. :-)

I think I recall Cersei, though, talking about how her mother gave birth to Tyrion and then died as a result, which is one reason why she has such animus (hatred?) toward him. But who knows? Tywin Lannister was a capital 'H' hardass, so anything's possible when it comes to him and what he connived at.


  1. Claim doesn't necessarily go be age, but by parentage. Jon's a year older than Dany, but in theory 2nd in line. Theory states that Tyrion is Aerys's son - and Dany's elder brother. And Jon's uncle. And a bastard. To have a claim, he'd have to be legitimized. So if some king (Cersei? Dany after crowned? Sansa?) would have to do it.
  2. Re Cersei - Sure, she hates Tyrion cause his birth killed her mom, but bigger than that, the prophesy says that all her blonde haired kids will die than her younger brother will kill her. She assumes that's Tyrion. (note, she's the eldest, Jamie is also her younger brother)

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Oh, Jaime's gonna do Cersei, alright. And not in good 'do' way. Probably to protect Brienne or something else noble. These stories all require that the bad guys that become good guys become good guys through some act of redemption. Jaime's been slowly redeeming himself -- in fits and starts -- since he lost his hand and when he went back to save Brienne from that bear in the fighting pit. Did you notice that he tried to push Cersei away when she went up to their chambers for the night? He didn't fight all that hard, granted, but he's gradually growing sick of her sh*t.

It's just like that old adage, sir: No matter how beautiful the woman -- and Cersei's still beautiful -- somewhere out there is a guy sick of her sh*t. ;-)

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Oh, Jaime's gonna do Cersei, alright. And not in good 'do' way. Probably to protect Brienne or something else noble. These stories all require that the bad guys that become good guys become good guys through some act of redemption. Jaime's been slowly redeeming himself -- in fits and starts -- since he lost his hand and when he went back to save Brienne from that bear in the fighting pit. Did you notice that he tried to push Cersei away when she went up to their chambers for the night? He didn't fight all that hard, granted, but he's gradually growing sick of her sh*t.

It's just like that old adage, sir: No matter how beautiful the woman -- and Cersei's still beautiful -- somewhere out there is a guy sick of her sh*t. ;-)

My take on that was that he didn't want a sympathy suck 'n fuck. He knew she was just doing it to keep him loyal, in light of Eron's hijinx and grand standing.

Not necessarily the result of a gradual getting sick of her shit, but a very direct connect with Euron.



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big kahuna wrote:
riotgear wrote:
Rumor is that Tyrion is also a Targaryen thus fulfilling the prophecy of a 3 headed dragon ruling Westeros. The 3 heads of the dragon being Dany, Jon, and Tyrion. It's also convenient that there are only 3 dragons left in the world.


There's a fair bit of supporting evidence for this theory:
The dragons did not immediately eat Tyrion when he released them from the dungeon
Tyrion said he always wanted a dragon - "even a little one will do"
Tywin's comment "You're no son of mind!"
Targaryens are immune to greyscale and Tyrion showed no symptoms after exposure

If this theory pans out, then Tyrion has the strongest claim to the throne since he's the eldest of the three. He'd make a pretty good king, in my opinion, as he's a good administrator during times of peace.


That would be one HELL of a plot twist, and I hope that turns out to be the case. :-)

I think I recall Cersei, though, talking about how her mother gave birth to Tyrion and then died as a result, which is one reason why she has such animus (hatred?) toward him. But who knows? Tywin Lannister was a capital 'H' hardass, so anything's possible when it comes to him and what he connived at.


  1. Claim doesn't necessarily go be age, but by parentage. Jon's a year older than Dany, but in theory 2nd in line. Theory states that Tyrion is Aerys's son - and Dany's elder brother. And Jon's uncle. And a bastard. To have a claim, he'd have to be legitimized. So if some king (Cersei? Dany after crowned? Sansa?) would have to do it.
  2. Re Cersei - Sure, she hates Tyrion cause his birth killed her mom, but bigger than that, the prophesy says that all her blonde haired kids will die than her younger brother will kill her. She assumes that's Tyrion. (note, she's the eldest, Jamie is also her younger brother)

The two things that I m relative certain, which means that neither us likely to happen as I've been wrong on almost all other speculation, is that there will be triumvirate of Danny, Jon and Tryion ruling the seven kingdoms when it is revealed that both Jon and Tryion are of Targaryean blood.

Second is that Jamie kills Cersei after she commits one more heinous act.
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Hey sorry I missed it!! I am in here alot to be entertained, where was it???
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Second is that Jamie kills Cersei after she commits one more heinous act.

She's set the bar pretty high, what with mass murder, mass infanticide (or was it Joffrey which ordered the killing of Roberts bastards?), wiping out the Sept and the Septons, slaughtering their supposed ally (Tyrells), regicide, attempted fratricide, allowing their son to commit suicide, and not GAF about who knows they're in an incestuous affair.

Yeah, there's not a lot left for her to do

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big kahuna wrote:
Oh, Jaime's gonna do Cersei, alright. And not in good 'do' way. Probably to protect Brienne or something else noble. These stories all require that the bad guys that become good guys become good guys through some act of redemption. Jaime's been slowly redeeming himself -- in fits and starts -- since he lost his hand and when he went back to save Brienne from that bear in the fighting pit. Did you notice that he tried to push Cersei away when she went up to their chambers for the night? He didn't fight all that hard, granted, but he's gradually growing sick of her sh*t.

It's just like that old adage, sir: No matter how beautiful the woman -- and Cersei's still beautiful -- somewhere out there is a guy sick of her sh*t. ;-)


My take on that was that he didn't want a sympathy suck 'n fuck. He knew she was just doing it to keep him loyal, in light of Eron's hijinx and grand standing.

Not necessarily the result of a gradual getting sick of her shit, but a very direct connect with Euron.

Well, Euron's certainly sensing something, because he's constantly trying to bait Jaime and he fully expects that he's going to have to fight Lannister to the death at some point.

As to the sympathy thing, not so sure. I think Cersei is turned on by the power and by the power struggle that's going on at the moment, and Jaime is the most convenient outlet at the moment for her urges, given she's stringing Euron along, telling him he'll have his "heart's desire" once the war is won. I think Cersei intends to have Ser Gregor deal with him once Euron fully delivers.

But who knows what goes on with Cersei? Without her kids she's turned full-on monster and rabid dog, and the only way you deal with a rabid dog is to put it down, permanently. I still think she's going to get hers (maybe even at Jaime's hand), but not until next season. There's just too much havoc she can create for the remainder of this year.

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I'm also pretty confident that Cersei is going to make it to the final season. They're running out of good baddies to replace her with - Euron is a psycho, but he's an entertaining psycho that people will get behind (especially as he has credit in the bank for killing off the Sand Snakes). I think Baelish is going to pull a big nasty surprise at some point, along with Cersei he's the one that people most love to hate.

By the way, pretty sure we're supposed to call him Ser Robert Strong now, not Ser Gregor (at least the books do, I've slightly lost track of the differences between book and screen).
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I'm also pretty confident that Cersei is going to make it to the final season. They're running out of good baddies to replace her with - Euron is a psycho, but he's an entertaining psycho that people will get behind (especially as he has credit in the bank for killing off the Sand Snakes). I think Baelish is going to pull a big nasty surprise at some point, along with Cersei he's the one that people most love to hate.

By the way, pretty sure we're supposed to call him Ser Robert Strong now, not Ser Gregor (at least the books do, I've slightly lost track of the differences between book and screen).

Yeah, Littlefinger no doubt has a couple of nasty surprises left up his sleeve. Cersei should have had his throat cut back several seasons ago when she had her guards grab him in that courtyard and put a sword to his neck.

I believe that Cersei still refers to the Mountain as "Ser Gregor," which I think is what she referred to him as down in the dungeon when she told Ellaria Sand that she'd considered having "Ser Gregor crush your skull like a duck's egg," or words to that effect.

I'd say that the arc of Ser Gregor's story is somehow tied up with his brother's, Sandor Clegane's (the Hound). Maybe Sandor is destined to finally put down Gregor in a final battle or something. The Hound's own story arc seems to be headed for a redemptive act that permanently ensconces him in the "good guy" camp. Or, at least as "good" a guy a person can be in "Game of Thrones." ;-)

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Newheart for the win!!!
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Billabong wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
The ending should be Peter Falk closing the book and a terrified Fred Savage clutching his bed sheets and begging to keep the light on.....


Or, Bob Newhart rolling over and waking up Suzanne Pleschette saying, "Honey, wake up you wont believe the dream I had".

Dany flies off on a dragon, and Tyrion has spelled "GOODBYE" with rocks on the ground

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RandMart wrote:
Billabong wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
The ending should be Peter Falk closing the book and a terrified Fred Savage clutching his bed sheets and begging to keep the light on.....


Or, Bob Newhart rolling over and waking up Suzanne Pleschette saying, "Honey, wake up you wont believe the dream I had".


Dany flies off on a dragon, and Tyrion has spelled "GOODBYE" with rocks on the ground

Now you're really reaching back. ;-)

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big kahuna wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Billabong wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
The ending should be Peter Falk closing the book and a terrified Fred Savage clutching his bed sheets and begging to keep the light on.....


Or, Bob Newhart rolling over and waking up Suzanne Pleschette saying, "Honey, wake up you wont believe the dream I had".


Dany flies off on a dragon, and Tyrion has spelled "GOODBYE" with rocks on the ground


Now you're really reaching back. ;-)

Dany and Jon fly off on a dragon, and Tyrion and Jorah walk off into the fog talking about their beautiful friendship.
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 Most-watched finale of any television series and most viewed non-Super Bowl broadcast in TV history has to count for something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/...action_and_aftermath

The 1970 movie was om TCM last weekend, and I grabbed D'Kid to watch for a minute

"The guy with the glasses? He's the President in The Hunger Games"
"Oh yeah! And the Simply Orange commercials"
"And the dude with the mustache ..."
"Ross & Rachel's dad"

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RandMart wrote:
Most-watched finale of any television series and most viewed non-Super Bowl broadcast in TV history has to count for something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/...action_and_aftermath

The 1970 movie was om TCM last weekend, and I grabbed D'Kid to watch for a minute

"The guy with the glasses? He's the President in The Hunger Games"
"Oh yeah! And the Simply Orange commercials"
"And the dude with the mustache ..."
"Ross & Rachel's dad"

Yup. I remember that I and a bunch of my buds were at the Gator Gardens, the enlisted club at the Navy amphibious base at Coronado, California, that night to watch the series finale on the big screen TVs the club had set up. Drink specials came out of the fake still that was modeled on the one in the Swamp in the TV series that Trapper John and Hawkeye Pierce so loved. ;-) All the staff were dressed in 4077th Army clothing, too. Memorable time. Especially because it was three-for-one night in honor of the series. LOL!

The spousal unit has never seen the Robert Altman film. I'm gonna have to rectify that when she comes back from her Guard AT. :-)

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RandMart wrote:
Most-watched finale of any television series and most viewed non-Super Bowl broadcast in TV history has to count for something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/...action_and_aftermath

The 1970 movie was om TCM last weekend, and I grabbed D'Kid to watch for a minute

"The guy with the glasses? He's the President in The Hunger Games"
"Oh yeah! And the Simply Orange commercials"
"And the dude with the mustache ..."
"Ross & Rachel's dad"

Caught In Her Majesty's Secret Service yesterday, and my wife could not believe that was Diana Rigg...

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Stone hottie for sure.



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By the way, pretty sure we're supposed to call him Ser Robert Strong now, not Ser Gregor (at least the books do, I've slightly lost track of the differences between book and screen).


Yeah, he's Robert Strong now, as if she referred to him as Ser Gregor it'd give the game away that he's died and been reanimated. She only called him this to Ellaria to drive the point home that he survived the duel between him and Oberyn. Just to rub her nose in it.

I would not be suprised if Baelish met an end this series. Everyone expects him to keep on keeping on, but I reckon he'll be sacrificed to the fandom of Sansa.

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I think Baelish gets it very soon, especially where the previews for the next episode showed someone holding the cats paw knife that was once his and was used in the assassination attempt on Bran in the second episode of the first season. If he doesn't get it soon, is only a matter of time and could be either Arya, Brienne, Sansa or even Jon if he ever gets back to Winterfell.



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I think Baelish gets it very soon, especially where the previews for the next episode showed someone holding the cats paw knife that was once his and was used in the assassination attempt on Bran in the second episode of the first season. If he doesn't get it soon, is only a matter of time and could be either Arya, Brienne, Sansa or even Jon if he ever gets back to Winterfell.

Well, they need to do something with him, because all he's doing since the last episode of season six is stand around smirking knowingly. ;-)

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Arya kills Littlefinger
Cersei is impregnated by her brotherlover
The wall comes down
Whitewalker zombie Dragon
Jon and Dany get it on
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For me, Game of Thrones is somewhat like a greek tragedy. I think Dany needs to die at some point, and it will need to be at the hands of someone close to her. She does seem to be getting a bit power hungry but she is still semi-sympathetic, but seems to be getting less sympathetic as this season progresses.

For me, the characters that are most likely to win redemption are Jorah (perhaps by killing Dany when she turns power crazed), Jamie, Sandor and Theon. They've all been through a lot and those experiences have changed them for the better it seems, at least in terms of their insight, although this does not apply to Jorah so much.

For me, Jorah, Sandor and Jamie have always been the most interesting characters in terms of their story arcs.
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Arya kills Littlefinger
Cersei is impregnated by her brotherlover
The wall comes down
Whitewalker zombie Dragon
Jon and Dany get it on

Was Littlefinger on Arya's death list? ;-)

The rest sounds good. We could make a heavy metal song verse out of all five lines, too. LOL!

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For me, Jorah, Sandor and Jamie have always been the most interesting characters in terms of their story arcs.

Agreed. Interesting backstories for each, too. Jaime and his killing of the Mad King in order to prevent a full-out genocidal slaughter, Jorah and his being disowned by his father (the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch) and family for being a slaver and his subsequent years-long search for redemption, and Sandor and his painful search for meaning and goodness and the ultimate redemption he, too, must grasp at if his life is to have true worth. Neither of the three men were all bad, either, when the series started out, though each had sinned grievously in the past.

But Sandor Clegane proved that he's worth saving with his rescue of Sansa Stark (as well as his protecting Arya Stark, wonder of wonders) at the hands of that group of commoners during her betrothal to Joffrey (she'd been cut off from the group and had been cornered by the men, who intended to rape and then kill her before the Hound arrived to put an end to them).

Jorah Mormont gradually came to be Dany's greatest protector, even to the point of killing a Dothraki bloodrider in single combat to keep her safe. And Jaime Lannister's path towards redemption began when he went back to save Brienne of Tarth, who was surely going to be mauled to death in the fighting pit by that bear. He's gradually evolved a deeper sensitivity, though he's almost fatally stuck in Cersei's orbit, for many logical reasons, to be honest.

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Holy fucking shit. Episode 4, the spoils of war. One of the best episodes yet. Chills up my spine.
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Brian in MA wrote:
I think Baelish gets it very soon, especially where the previews for the next episode showed someone holding the cats paw knife that was once his and was used in the assassination attempt on Bran in the second episode of the first season. If he doesn't get it soon, is only a matter of time and could be either Arya, Brienne, Sansa or even Jon if he ever gets back to Winterfell.


Well, they need to do something with him, because all he's doing since the last episode of season six is stand around smirking knowingly. ;-)


His story arc has been going downhill since he pushed Sansa's crazy aunt out the moon door (Hard to beat that as the high point). I much preferred power hungry Littlefinger to love struck Littlefinger.

I realize he's playing two games (one for the throne and the other for Sansa), but for some reason I preferred the first one better. Plus, him giving Sansa to Ramsay worked out for neither plan.

Maybe I just liked him better when his schemes were working?
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Holy fucking shit. Episode 4, the spoils of war. One of the best episodes yet. Chills up my spine.

Did u find the hacked episode somewhere?


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fulla wrote:
Holy fucking shit. Episode 4, the spoils of war. One of the best episodes yet. Chills up my spine.


Did u find the hacked episode somewhere?

I read a spoilerific synopsis on Deadspin

It sounds fucking nuts; tomorrow will be a good day

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fulla wrote:
Holy fucking shit. Episode 4, the spoils of war. One of the best episodes yet. Chills up my spine.


Did u find the hacked episode somewhere?

Yes. All Game of Thrones episodes are pretty easy to find with google.
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fulla wrote:
Holy fucking shit. Episode 4, the spoils of war. One of the best episodes yet. Chills up my spine.


Did u find the hacked episode somewhere?


Yes. All Game of Thrones episodes are pretty easy to find with google.

X2. That one for episode 4 was, like the Deadspin article noted, in about 380P, at best. But man... ;-)

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That girl is a damn ninja! ;-)

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That. Was. Fucking. INTENSE!!!



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They should have gone with the ending in the script,that was leaked
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That. Was. Fucking. INTENSE!!!

Yeah, that was some next-level sh*t, right there, with Bran/Three-Eyed Raven. He knows everything, including the ultimate outcome.

And that loot train sequence at the end? Well... ;-)



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They should have gone with the ending in the script,that was leaked

What was that ending, sir?

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I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.
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I can't say because it will,spoil the outcome, but if you want to know go,here: http://www.independent.co.uk/...-drown-a7879696.html
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Yeah, that was some next-level sh*t, right there, with Bran/Three-Eyed Raven. He knows everything, including the ultimate outcome.

The look on Littlefinger's face when Brann said that chaos was a ladder said everything
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big kahuna wrote:
Yeah, that was some next-level sh*t, right there, with Bran/Three-Eyed Raven. He knows everything, including the ultimate outcome.


The look on Littlefinger's face when Brann said that chaos was a ladder said everything

You sure have that right. Bran basically said that he knew a key part of Littlefinger's past and that he knows what he's done and what he's going to do and what's going to happen to him. That froze ol' Baelish right in his tracks. ;-)



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I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.

When last we left Jaime he and Bronn were slowly sinking to the bottom of that lake. ;-)


P.S. The old Jaime would have gleefully had those soldiers flogged to keep them moving at a fast pace so that the army could get into King's Landing in good order.

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I can't say because it will,spoil the outcome, but if you want to know go,here: http://www.independent.co.uk/...-drown-a7879696.html

Yeah, it makes sense. So did Dany attacking the Lannister/Tarly force and taking it off the board rather than frying half of King's Landing. But Cersei got her gold and the Iron Bank is throwing in their lot with her, it looks like.

That guy, Mark Gattis, that plays the Iron Bank representative also plays Mycroft Holmes in the Benedict Cumberbatch "Sherlock Holmes" series (he's a writer on the series, too). Nice and oily, as always And, as always, just about every actor or actress of note in the UK seems to have found a way to appear in GoT. ;-)

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And on a tactical note, the battle (slaughter?) at Blackwater Rush illustrates perfectly why you always have picket riders and scouts out, so that you don't get caught with your pants down and surprised by a Dothraki horde. ;-)

Although without air cover, like the Dothraki had, I don't know that you can do much more than leave behind a rear guard to at least slow the enemy ground force and then make a mad rush to King's Landing or dig in and fortify your positions for the main melee. Fight the enemy on ground of your choosing, not theirs, and all that other Sun Tzu stuff.

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That was good !

The Lannister army reminds of Roman legions.

I have a new found love for Ayra after her sparring session.

I've been wondering , when will "the man" shows back up. He's got to play another part in this story.

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That was good !

The Lannister army reminds of Roman legions.

I have a new found love for Ayra after her sparring session.

I've been wondering , when will "the man" shows back up. He's got to play another part in this story.

You mean Jaqen H'ghar? Yeah, I think so, too. He's just too good a character to write out of the series altogether.

You know, there was a lot of speculation last year that Ayra Stark actually died in that final fight with the Waif and that it's she who's impersonating Ayra, for whatever reason. I don't think so, as the Waif wouldn't have recognized Nymeria (who would have probably eaten her no matter what Ayra mask she was wearing) and Hot Pie, etc.

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Awesome! But I cannot help but wonder - why not just bring the 3 dragons? She could have wiped out the entire force without losing a single man.

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This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???

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Awesome! But I cannot help but wonder - why not just bring the 3 dragons? She could have wiped out the entire force without losing a single man.


She may not have wanted to commit her entire air force to a single battle when she knew that she'd need some of those assets to fight other Lannister armies and allies, including Euron Greyjoy and his naval fleet and all those Iron Islands SOBs. ;-)

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This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???

Yup. Only 2 for this year and 8 for next year, which is the also the series' end, sadly. Next year, several of the episodes are supposed to be longer than ever.

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

I think that next week's preview gave us a clue as to why: in it, she gives the Lannister army's survivors a choice: join her or die. No doubt, she only used Drogon precisely to avoid slaughtering the entire enemy force and coming across as being as bloodthirsty as her father was. It was a kind of public relations move, maybe? This was probably on Tyrion's and Jon's advice. Tyrion was at the battle to observe it.

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?

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big kahuna wrote:
JSA wrote:
This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???

Yup. Only 2 for this year and 8 for next year, which is the also the series' end, sadly. Next year, several of the episodes are supposed to be longer than ever.

Ah! I thought this was the last season. Well, that's something at least.

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JSA wrote:
It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.


Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?

I'm going for your first guess. She controlled all three just fine when she destroyed the slaver fleet at the battle for Meereen.

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Leddy wrote:
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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?

Your last point is what I wondered. Does she need to control them? Didn't she unleash the, on a fleet last season without being on any of them?

She did not know of the scorpion bolt so it was not to protect the dragons. Also, why would they have a scorpion bolt with them for an attack on the High Garden? How was that the only carriage not destroyed with fire?

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

I think that next week's preview gave us a clue as to why: in it, she gives the Lannister army's survivors a choice: join her or die. No doubt, she only used Drogon precisely to avoid slaughtering the entire enemy force and coming across as being as bloodthirsty as her father was. It was a kind of public relations move, maybe? This was probably on Tyrion's and Jon's advice. Tyrion was at the battle to observe it.

Perhaps. But there did not appear to be many left.

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Unleashing them on the fleet = have at it , she didn't have any soldiers to worry about ?

Dragon bolt being the one wagon not burned ?= I chalked that up to Hollywood or dramatic license. Kind of like the dragon not seeing it
coming and swerving ! It was kind of telegraphed

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JSA wrote:
Leddy wrote:
JSA wrote:
It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.


Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?


Your last point is what I wondered. Does she need to control them? Didn't she unleash the, on a fleet last season without being on any of them?

She did not know of the scorpion bolt so it was not to protect the dragons. Also, why would they have a scorpion bolt with them for an attack on the High Garden? How was that the only carriage not destroyed with fire?

That was classic, what she had the dragon do with its first fire burst: breach the enemy's line and then pour forces through it so that they could get in the Lannister army's rear and wreak havoc. Then she had the dragon destroy the supply train in bursts (in between providing fire support for her Dothraki troops). The dragon was working its way toward the wagon carrying the Scorpion bolt and probably would have gotten to it, but until it was unveiled it looked like any other supply wagon. It was also clear that she didn't want to kill every enemy soldier, figuring she'd need more converts to her cause, all while showing that she's a merciful conqueror. Yada yada (LOL!).

Dany's not a tactician or even a very good strategist, so she wouldn't have necessarily been skilled at picking out a heavy weapon like the Scorpion wagon among all those grain and other loot wagons. At least, that's what I saw. But I'm often wrong, so who knows? ;-)

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I dunno. She needed a victory and a show of force. I would have had the 3 dragons wipe out the force and the Hord take High Garden. Then taken the 3 dragons to wipe out Euron's fleet and free the Unsullied.

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This is outstanding.



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Will the lady of the lake save ser Jamie?

Season 6 finally got interesting.
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I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.

How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?

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bluemonkeytri wrote:
I can't say because it will,spoil the outcome, but if you want to know go,here: http://www.independent.co.uk/...-drown-a7879696.html


Yeah, it makes sense. So did Dany attacking the Lannister/Tarly force and taking it off the board rather than frying half of King's Landing. But Cersei got her gold and the Iron Bank is throwing in their lot with her, it looks like.

That guy, Mark Gattis, that plays the Iron Bank representative also plays Mycroft Holmes in the Benedict Cumberbatch "Sherlock Holmes" series (he's a writer on the series, too). Nice and oily, as always And, as always, just about every actor or actress of note in the UK seems to have found a way to appear in GoT. ;-)

Gatiss also writes for Doctor Who, and has been in a couple episodes. But Sherlock and some of those years of Who had the same showrunner, Steven Moffat.
GoT has nothing on Harry Potter though - it's a shorter list for British actors of note that DIDN'T appear in HP films :D
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In addition to the great battle sequence, I thought a key highlight of the show was Littlefinger realizing that he is screwed between Bran knowing everything he has done, and Arya now having the catspaw dagger and also knowing that he plotted against the Starks (remember her as Tywin's cupbearer at Harrenhall way back when?). Good to see him squirm.

Episodes like this also make you appreciate the camerawork, editing and stunt work that go into pulling off a complex battle scene like that. Very cool to see the Dothraki go up on one knee while on horseback to shoot arrows.



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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon (how funny was that when Bronn cracked up after hearing his name?). He proved himself to Jaime once already during the battle and that would be a great opportunity to do it again. I do like your Jorah theory though as he has a habit of showing up to save Dany whenever she is in danger.



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klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

It was Ed Sheeran

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klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?

If, and this is a big if, the leaked script was correct (and it nailed the rest of the episode) then it was Bronn. Spoilers below. Highlight to see.

There was supposed to be a scene where, while sinking, Jaime sees a number of his soldiers in the same predicament as he, sinking to the bottom and unable to escape the weight of their armor. Looks of horror on their faces, reaching for Jaime for help. But Bronn then drags Jaime out to the safety of the shore.
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big kahuna wrote:
JSA wrote:
This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???


Yup. Only 2 for this year and 8 for next year, which is the also the series' end, sadly. Next year, several of the episodes are supposed to be longer than ever.

I think there are still 3 left this year.
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klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?


If, and this is a big if, the leaked script was correct (and it nailed the rest of the episode) then it was Bronn. Spoilers below. Highlight to see.

There was supposed to be a scene where, while sinking, Jaime sees a number of his soldiers in the same predicament as he, sinking to the bottom and unable to escape the weight of their armor. Looks of horror on their faces, reaching for Jaime for help. But Bronn then drags Jaime out to the safety of the shore.

Just because Bronn drags him out, doesn't mean he knocked him in, but that may just be script changes.

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klehner wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?


If, and this is a big if, the leaked script was correct (and it nailed the rest of the episode) then it was Bronn. Spoilers below. Highlight to see.

There was supposed to be a scene where, while sinking, Jaime sees a number of his soldiers in the same predicament as he, sinking to the bottom and unable to escape the weight of their armor. Looks of horror on their faces, reaching for Jaime for help. But Bronn then drags Jaime out to the safety of the shore.


Just because Bronn drags him out, doesn't mean he knocked him in, but that may just be script changes.

Script said it was Bronn that knocked him off. Again, if they followed the script, but the word of the leak came so late I think they had finished filming.
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klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

On the "Inside the Episode," following the episode, that said it was Bronn.

klehner wrote:
And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

They told us on "Inside the Episode."

klehner wrote:
I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

On "Inside the Episode," they said Jaime the Kingslayer was trying to be the DragonSlayer like his ancestor.

klehner wrote:
Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?

What I want to know is - why is Jaime is such deep water? He is riding on the water's edge towards Drogon. He gets knocked off his horse into the water. It should have been a few inches deep. How does he end up at the bottom of the lake?

I'm guessing here, but I don't think he really went deep into the water. I'm guessing that was a metaphor.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon

I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

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I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

https://winteriscoming.net/...me-thrones-season-7/

Thank you! That was driving me nuts!

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Who has a good website for GOT. I like the family trees on wiki. I am guessing there are better ones ?

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big kahuna wrote:
JSA wrote:
This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???


Yup. Only 2 for this year and 8 for next year, which is the also the series' end, sadly. Next year, several of the episodes are supposed to be longer than ever.

3 more this season for 7 total.
then they say 6 for the final season.

and if someone corrected this already, i haven't read that far into the thread



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Mets pitcher Noah Syndergaard had his cameo last night; of course they had him throw something where he was a Lannister soldier who threw a spear through one of the Dothraki.



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JSA wrote:
klehner wrote:
timbasile wrote:
I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.


On the "Inside the Episode," following the episode, that said it was Bronn.

klehner wrote:
And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?


They told us on "Inside the Episode."

klehner wrote:
I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?


On "Inside the Episode," they said Jaime the Kingslayer was trying to be the DragonSlayer like his ancestor.

klehner wrote:
Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?


What I want to know is - why is Jaime is such deep water? He is riding on the water's edge towards Drogon. He gets knocked off his horse into the water. It should have been a few inches deep. How does he end up at the bottom of the lake?

I'm guessing here, but I don't think he really went deep into the water. I'm guessing that was a metaphor.

No, I think that is supposed to be deep water, and not a metaphor. Look at the spoilerish stuff I posted above, there was supposed to be as scene where he sees his soldiers farther down, alive, and struggling in their armor with looks of desperation on their faces. Maybe that happens at the beginning of next week.

Now, how he goes from riding on the edge of that river to real deep water, who knows. although we are on the banks of the Ohio and it drops off pretty quick and with the current you can get swept out.
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Mets pitcher Noah Syndergaard had his cameo last night; of course they had him throw something where he was a Lannister soldier who threw a spear through one of the Dothraki.

But it was Drogon who brought the heat

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Yup. He had a good response on Twitter: "At least I didn't throw it behind him"



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What I want to know is - why is Jaime is such deep water? He is riding on the water's edge towards Drogon. He gets knocked off his horse into the water. It should have been a few inches deep. How does he end up at the bottom of the lake?

I'm guessing here, but I don't think he really went deep into the water. I'm guessing that was a metaphor.

Jamie comments that they are about to cross Blackwater Rush, and that's what they are next to. This river empties into Blackwater Bay at Kings Landing. It's supposed to be very, very deep. (First book, it's stated as deep and swift, and the currents are wicked and treacherous).

Why it's deep right near the shore is a good question though.
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This just blew my mind:


Dany says she’ll support him in his fight if he bends the knee, imploring him to do it for his people. She asks, “Isn’t their survival more important than your pride?â€
In that moment, Jon finally realizes something.

Redditor xIdkTbhx notes that the Dany line is the exact same thing Jon said to Mance Rayder (CiarĂ¡n Hinds) when trying to convince him to bend the knee for Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) in Season 5.
The Redditor points out that “Jon’s face immediately changes†when he realizes this.

In response to the line from Season 5, Mance said, “Fuck my pride. This isn’t about that.†The decision not to kneel led to Mance’s death, and now Jon understands why.

It’s not about pride. In the words of Davos (Liam Cunningham), Jon Snow is a “damn bastard.†Pride isn’t remotely what our dude is thinking about. This is about representing his northern people, not betraying their trust, and standing up (not kneeling) for what he believes in.
It’s not an easy decision either way.
Redditor xIdkTbhx explains:
Seeing Jon realize that the position he is in, is just like the position Mance was in, exhibits the development of Jon’s character so well.

In fact, Jon seems to be taking more than a few notes from the Mance Rayder playbook. Snow got the Wildlings and the North to fight together, he’s close to getting Dany’s support as well, and he’s doing it all by following Mance’s example: just keeping it real about everyone’s imminent demise.

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Mets pitcher Noah Syndergaard had his cameo last night; of course they had him throw something where he was a Lannister soldier who threw a spear through one of the Dothraki.

Lucky he wasn't facing the Dodgers.
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That was classic, what she had the dragon do with its first fire burst: breach the enemy's line and then pour forces through it so that they could get in the Lannister army's rear and wreak havoc. Then she had the dragon destroy the supply train in bursts (in between providing fire support for her Dothraki troops). The dragon was working its way toward the wagon carrying the Scorpion bolt and probably would have gotten to it, but until it was unveiled it looked like any other supply wagon. It was also clear that she didn't want to kill every enemy soldier, figuring she'd need more converts to her cause, all while showing that she's a merciful conqueror. Yada yada (LOL!).

Dany's not a tactician or even a very good strategist, so she wouldn't have necessarily been skilled at picking out a heavy weapon like the Scorpion wagon among all those grain and other loot wagons. At least, that's what I saw. But I'm often wrong, so who knows? ;-)

Using the dragon to make a breach in the line was smart, since it's pretty hard for cavalry to get through a well-marshalled spear line (at least it is in any of the more credible historical fiction books I've read...). Setting fire to the supply wagons just seemed plain stupid to me, given that earlier in the episode she herself had made the point that she had the biggest army to feed and Cersei had just taken all the Tyrell food supplies. Maybe she needed to set fire to the front of the line to cause the rest of the wagons to back up, but after that point she should have been killing troops and trying to capture as many wagons intact as possible, both for supplies and loot to keep her troops happy.

If Jaime ends up a prisoner are we going to see a prisoner exchange for Yara?
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So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.

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I don't think he bent the knee. I think they decided to agree to disagree for the time being. Then they came out of the cave and she learned of the troubles and turned to Snow for guidance.

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On a bit of a tangent, I particularly enjoyed the grammar correction from Ser Davos. Very subtle, almost missed it, wonder if it was scripted or ad libbed.

Jon: "How many people do we have in the North to fight? 10,000? Less?"

Ser Davos: "Fewer"
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It's a callback to Stannis correcting Davos with the same line a few seasons earlier, something the show is pretty clever about.



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So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.

I think he bent ...her over the rocks for some hot Auntie/nephew action.
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Leddy wrote:
So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.


I think he bent ...her over the rocks for some hot Auntie/nephew action.

Davos did suggest something along those lines !

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I'm not sure what was leaked, but the better ending would have been for Tyrion to have saved Jamie, not Bronn. At least then there's a justified pause in the fighting so that they can talk (and have Jamie surrender) before the dragon roasts them both alive.


How do we *know* that was Bronn who knocked Jaime off his horse? The scene was shot so as to deliberately not expose the identity of the second rider.

And how do we know that action was to save Jaime and not to defend Dany?

I can actually think of three people who that might have been: Dickon Tarly, Bronn, or (talk about a crazy thing) Jorah who was defending Dany?

Can the dragon drag the two of them back from the bottom of the lake?

Could even have been Dickon (not Rickon ;-) who knocked Jaime off his horse and into Blackwater Rush.

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In addition to the great battle sequence, I thought a key highlight of the show was Littlefinger realizing that he is screwed between Bran knowing everything he has done, and Arya now having the catspaw dagger and also knowing that he plotted against the Starks (remember her as Tywin's cupbearer at Harrenhall way back when?). Good to see him squirm.

Episodes like this also make you appreciate the camerawork, editing and stunt work that go into pulling off a complex battle scene like that. Very cool to see the Dothraki go up on one knee while on horseback to shoot arrows.

Baelish is boned to the Nth degree. Couldn't have happened to a nicer scumbag. ;-)

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This is outstanding.


Agreed. Awesome explication, and he cleared up a few things as well. Let's see next week how his prognostications play out. :-)

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big kahuna wrote:
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This really is one of the greatest shows ever made. Are there really only 2 episodes left???


Yup. Only 2 for this year and 8 for next year, which is the also the series' end, sadly. Next year, several of the episodes are supposed to be longer than ever.


I think there are still 3 left this year.

That video explication that Mr. JSA posted implied that this is the season with 8 episodes. The fellow on the video said that "we are officially halfway through this season" with Episode 4. I could have sworn there with six shows this year and eight next. But who cares? There's more GoT to go than I thought. :-)

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon


I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

https://winteriscoming.net/...me-thrones-season-7/

He's mentioned a bit in the first book, with Samwell's arrival at Castle Black and his father's disowning (as well as threatened murder) of him if he didn't take the black and join the Night's Watch. Dickon, Rickon...that's been a running joke the last couple of episodes. First it was Jaime with Randyll Tarly, when he first meets Dickon and asks "You're Rickon?" Then Bronn has some sport with his name.

Dickon seems a good egg, though. I hope he made it through all that dragonfire. I'd hate to see his calcined bones in the next episode. LOL!

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Mets pitcher Noah Syndergaard had his cameo last night; of course they had him throw something where he was a Lannister soldier who threw a spear through one of the Dothraki.


But it was Drogon who brought the heat


Hahahahahahahahahaha! Best rejoinder of the Episode 4 thread portion so far! :-)

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That was classic, what she had the dragon do with its first fire burst: breach the enemy's line and then pour forces through it so that they could get in the Lannister army's rear and wreak havoc. Then she had the dragon destroy the supply train in bursts (in between providing fire support for her Dothraki troops). The dragon was working its way toward the wagon carrying the Scorpion bolt and probably would have gotten to it, but until it was unveiled it looked like any other supply wagon. It was also clear that she didn't want to kill every enemy soldier, figuring she'd need more converts to her cause, all while showing that she's a merciful conqueror. Yada yada (LOL!).

Dany's not a tactician or even a very good strategist, so she wouldn't have necessarily been skilled at picking out a heavy weapon like the Scorpion wagon among all those grain and other loot wagons. At least, that's what I saw. But I'm often wrong, so who knows? ;-)


Using the dragon to make a breach in the line was smart, since it's pretty hard for cavalry to get through a well-marshalled spear line (at least it is in any of the more credible historical fiction books I've read...). Setting fire to the supply wagons just seemed plain stupid to me, given that earlier in the episode she herself had made the point that she had the biggest army to feed and Cersei had just taken all the Tyrell food supplies. Maybe she needed to set fire to the front of the line to cause the rest of the wagons to back up, but after that point she should have been killing troops and trying to capture as many wagons intact as possible, both for supplies and loot to keep her troops happy.

If Jaime ends up a prisoner are we going to see a prisoner exchange for Yara?

That's my point about Dany not being an able tactician and definitely not a strategist. But having an entire firebreathing air force can overcome battlefield tactical foul ups as well as allow her to dictate strategy even when she doesn't know what that should be at that time. She listened to Tyrion, and when what he was saying wasn't jibing with what she was seeing she turned to Jon Snow, who she knows has controlled armies and developed strategy before. And his counsel was wise and timely.

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Leddy wrote:
So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.


I think he bent ...her over the rocks for some hot Auntie/nephew action.

I was waiting for one of us filthy animals to make exactly that comment. Thanks for delivering, sir. ;-)

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I guess the other factor is that burning wagons makes for great TV, and in a show where fleets can go round whole continents in the blink of an eye then magicking up some more grain isn't going to give the writers too many sleepless nights...
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With so few episodes left there's one storyline I feel won't be resolved. Given that there are so few true armies left in Westeros, it's fairly easy to see how the iron throne & night king storylines can resolve themselves in so few episodes.

The one I fear won't be resolved in time will be Sam. No way he becomes a maester in 8 (or however many are left) episodes.
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I guess the other factor is that burning wagons makes for great TV, and in a show where fleets can go round whole continents in the blink of an eye then magicking up some more grain isn't going to give the writers too many sleepless nights...

It's funny, because grain is also discussed in the Winterfell/Sansa storyline at the moment (including last week's episode). Sansa is really focused on grain stores, perhaps in a more realistic manner than is treated in the King's Landing/Jaime/Lannister loot train storyline.

You're right: I don't think the writers will crack too much of a sweat over some grain stores going up in a flash of dragonfire. ;-)

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With so few episodes left there's one storyline I feel won't be resolved. Given that there are so few true armies left in Westeros, it's fairly easy to see how the iron throne & night king storylines can resolve themselves in so few episodes.

The one I fear won't be resolved in time will be Sam. No way he becomes a maester in 8 (or however many are left) episodes.

There's something coming up in next week's episode, because the preview showed Jon Snow telling everyone that Brandon/Three-Eyed Raven had seen the Night King's army approaching Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, the castle and port at the eastern end of the Wall. Didn't Jon and Tormund of the Wildlings agree that Tormund's people would go to Eastwatch and guard it against the army of the dead? They're in deep shiite if that's case. ;-)

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.


Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?


I'm going for your first guess. She controlled all three just fine when she destroyed the slaver fleet at the battle for Meereen.

I think it's the matter of control. At Mereen there were no other forces in the water, the dragons had free reign to burn at their will with no risk of friendly fire. The Blackwater was different.

Great episode though. Shame the gold got through to KL though. That would have been an interesting set up for the rest of the war: both sides only having the forces in the field to command with no prospect of mercenaries to bolster them (or better yet, Euron goes and gets the golden company, then they arrive to find that Cersei can't actually pay them).

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big kahuna wrote:
ChrisT wrote:
Leddy wrote:
So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.


I think he bent ...her over the rocks for some hot Auntie/nephew action.

I was waiting for one of us filthy animals to make exactly that comment. Thanks for delivering, sir. ;-)

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.


Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?


I'm going for your first guess. She controlled all three just fine when she destroyed the slaver fleet at the battle for Meereen.


I think it's the matter of control. At Mereen there were no other forces in the water, the dragons had free reign to burn at their will with no risk of friendly fire. The Blackwater was different.

Great episode though. Shame the gold got through to KL though. That would have been an interesting set up for the rest of the war: both sides only having the forces in the field to command with no prospect of mercenaries to bolster them (or better yet, Euron goes and gets the golden company, then they arrive to find that Cersei can't actually pay them).

Yup. Essosi sellswords and that Golden Company could make things a bit sticky for Dany and her Unsullied and Dothraki forces. If there were no money to hire them they wouldn't be a complicating factor.

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I thought she destroyed a lot of the gold with all the dragon fire burny ashes.
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I thought she destroyed a lot of the gold with all the dragon fire burny ashes.

Nope. The gold wagons made it through to King's Landing all in one piece. That battle scene opens with Randyll Tarly telling that to Jaime and Bronn.

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I guess the other factor is that burning wagons makes for great TV, and in a show where fleets can go round whole continents in the blink of an eye then magicking up some more grain isn't going to give the writers too many sleepless nights...


I've heard lots of people complaining about how "fast" the traveling is done. It's not that they are traveling fast, the show is skipping long periods of time between the scenes and episodes. Time does indeed go by at it's normal pace, we just don't see it. It's an important difference.

But the accelerated pace is distracting and abrupt.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon


I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

https://winteriscoming.net/...me-thrones-season-7/

He's mentioned a bit in the first book, with Samwell's arrival at Castle Black and his father's disowning (as well as threatened murder) of him if he didn't take the black and join the Night's Watch. Dickon, Rickon...that's been a running joke the last couple of episodes. First it was Jaime with Randyll Tarly, when he first meets Dickon and asks "You're Rickon?" Then Bronn has some sport with his name.

Dickon seems a good egg, though. I hope he made it through all that dragonfire. I'd hate to see his calcined bones in the next episode. LOL!

I assume they are setting Dickon up to have some sort of notable role or impact in the story. He's too striking of an actor to just be there as a redshirt. And considering how limited their time is to get the story finished, they spent a lot of valuable screen time with Dickon.
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big kahuna wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.


Yes but based on that she only needed one ? !

Maybe she knew after one got hurt that they are somewhat vulnerable so why not hold the other ones back.

That or it's harder to control them unless she's in direct contack, i.e riding on one ?


I'm going for your first guess. She controlled all three just fine when she destroyed the slaver fleet at the battle for Meereen.


I think it's the matter of control. At Mereen there were no other forces in the water, the dragons had free reign to burn at their will with no risk of friendly fire. The Blackwater was different.

Great episode though. Shame the gold got through to KL though. That would have been an interesting set up for the rest of the war: both sides only having the forces in the field to command with no prospect of mercenaries to bolster them (or better yet, Euron goes and gets the golden company, then they arrive to find that Cersei can't actually pay them).


Yup. Essosi sellswords and that Golden Company could make things a bit sticky for Dany and her Unsullied and Dothraki forces. If there were no money to hire them they wouldn't be a complicating factor.

Isn't that the group that the one leader killed the other two leaders then became Dani's boy toy for a couple seasons? Maybe he goes back to them and he'll emerge and help Dani??
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With so few episodes left there's one storyline I feel won't be resolved. Given that there are so few true armies left in Westeros, it's fairly easy to see how the iron throne & night king storylines can resolve themselves in so few episodes.

The one I fear won't be resolved in time will be Sam. No way he becomes a maester in 8 (or however many are left) episodes.

I'm guessing that Sam will pack his bags and leave the Citadel soon for some urgent mission or effort needed for the big whitewalker battle or something. He'll bring his family sword with him, which is Vallerian steel and it will come in handy in the battle.

Maybe he joins up with Dickon and gives the sword to him and Dickon is a major force in the whitwalker battle coming up. Maybe that's why we are being introduced to Dickon now.

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ChrisT wrote:
Leddy wrote:
So what do you suppose transpired before they came out of the cave after that scene ? Part of me thought he did say F it and just bent the knee. Between doing that and facing the white walkers without Dany's help what difference would it make. Plus the whole thing with the hieroglyphs and everyone coming together for one cause.

OTOH I guess she could have given in after seeing the drawings.


I think he bent ...her over the rocks for some hot Auntie/nephew action.


I was waiting for one of us filthy animals to make exactly that comment. Thanks for delivering, sir. ;-)


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Could even have been Dickon (not Rickon ;-) who knocked Jaime off his horse and into Blackwater Rush.


I saw a close up of the hand and it's wearing Bron's fingerless glove.

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I was excited about the battle scene...and then I facepalmed ...


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In addition to the great battle sequence, I thought a key highlight of the show was Littlefinger realizing that he is screwed between Bran knowing everything he has done, and Arya now having the catspaw dagger and also knowing that he plotted against the Starks (remember her as Tywin's cupbearer at Harrenhall way back when?). Good to see him squirm.

Episodes like this also make you appreciate the camerawork, editing and stunt work that go into pulling off a complex battle scene like that. Very cool to see the Dothraki go up on one knee while on horseback to shoot arrows.

On top of everything else, he threw Aunt Lyssa out the moon door in front of Sansa. She could have his head for this alone.

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Littlefinger is not doing anything this season and just stands around moping and looking like he's scheming. I have to feel the only reason they're keeping on the screen is so we don't forget who he is when they decide to kill him.
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Isn't that the group that the one leader killed the other two leaders then became Dani's boy toy for a couple seasons? Maybe he goes back to them and he'll emerge and help Dani??

No, he was with the Second Sons, who are currently looking after the Mereen etc for Daenrys.

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There are 7 episodes this season, 8 next. Some will be almost 120 mins though.

I think to,do the Night King justice, they really need to finish the war,for the iron throne this season and spend all of next on the Night King and White Walkers.

Next week, there is a scene in the preview where Drogon is roaring at Jon. Wonder if his lineage will be revealed.

And we are long past a time for a major death.
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There are 7 episodes this season, 8 next. Some will be almost 120 mins though.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_8



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Whoops. That's right, 7 and then 6.
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Could even have been Dickon (not Rickon ;-) who knocked Jaime off his horse and into Blackwater Rush.


I saw a close up of the hand and it's wearing Bron's fingerless glove.
I think it was Bron. The glove, hair and clothing looks like him. I just watched that part again. Can't get the screen shot to load

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I think to,do the Night King justice, they really need to finish the war,for the iron throne this season and spend all of next on the Night King and White Walkers.

Can't do that. You need to have the threat that plotting and scheming over the Iron Throne will get in the way of beating the army of the dead. Maybe Dany and/or Jon win the Iron Throne, but Cersei slips away, then spends next season plotting her revenge, which she tries to take just at the moment when Dany/Jon are totally focused on the fight against the Night King. She seems like the type to burn the whole thing down if she can't have it to herself.

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Endo wrote:
cartsman wrote:
I guess the other factor is that burning wagons makes for great TV, and in a show where fleets can go round whole continents in the blink of an eye then magicking up some more grain isn't going to give the writers too many sleepless nights...


I've heard lots of people complaining about how "fast" the traveling is done. It's not that they are traveling fast, the show is skipping long periods of time between the scenes and episodes. Time does indeed go by at it's normal pace, we just don't see it. It's an important difference.

But the accelerated pace is distracting and abrupt.

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I think it's more that different parts seem to be moving at different paces so it feels a bit disjointed. E.g. I'm fine with the idea that we've skipped a few weeks while the fleet made it's way round from Dragonstone to Casterly Rock, but other storylines don't seem to have moved on at all in those weeks. And given that the Night King was hot on Bran's heels last series and was seen marching south with an army of wights and a couple of wight-giants at the start of this series, he should have got to the Wall by now.

Guess this was always somewhat inevitable, so many plot lines to pull together that nearly every scene from now on has to move the plot along somehow. Saw a similar thing in the last book or 2 of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. Be interesting to see how GRRM handles it in the books (assuming he ever actually finishes them).
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My question is...will Arya kill the mountain? He's on her list. She's become a kickass fighter.
And that scene fighting Brienne of Tarth was pretty awesome.
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Devastating losses from the war leaving few left to fight the WWs would,give that suspense too. And Cersei is smarter than that. She will do what she can,to,survive and wait,to,plot another day. Remember what Balon Greyjoy said. No man has ever died from bending the knee and he may rise again w blade in hand. She could cut a,deal,to,stay alive and devote,her forces to,the fight against the WWs. Why anyone would allow her to live tho is another question.
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Devastating losses from the war leaving few left to fight the WWs would,give that suspense too. And Cersei is smarter than that. She will do what she can,to,survive and wait,to,plot another day. Remember what Balon Greyjoy said. No man has ever died from bending the knee and he may rise again w blade in hand. She could cut a,deal,to,stay alive and devote,her forces to,the fight against the WWs. Why anyone would allow her to live tho is another question.

Yeah, I just don't see a series that is entirely based on scheming and plotting to get the throne, taking that off the table for the final season. The series is called "Game of Thrones" not "Can we beat the Zombies." Let's face it, the white walkers are cool and all, but having the throne resolved this season would make the final season anti-climactic. At no time in the series has there been just a single major plot line. It would make no sense to have a final season where the entire plot was just about beating the walkers.

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With so few episodes left there's one storyline I feel won't be resolved. Given that there are so few true armies left in Westeros, it's fairly easy to see how the iron throne & night king storylines can resolve themselves in so few episodes.

The one I fear won't be resolved in time will be Sam. No way he becomes a maester in 8 (or however many are left) episodes.


I'm guessing that Sam will pack his bags and leave the Citadel soon for some urgent mission or effort needed for the big whitewalker battle or something. He'll bring his family sword with him, which is Vallerian steel and it will come in handy in the battle.

Maybe he joins up with Dickon and gives the sword to him and Dickon is a major force in the whitwalker battle coming up. Maybe that's why we are being introduced to Dickon now.

One thing I don't remember what happened when Sam went home. Was Dickon a dick like his dad then too?
Then did their dad survive ep 4? If Dickon isn't a dick, is he the Warden of the South now and sympathetic to his brother and thus the North
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The dad was mainly a dick to Sam, I think Dickon was a bit more sympathetic during that dinner scene where Sam in trying to make conversation had asked if the meat was from that day's hunt and Dickon politely reminded him that it needed to cure.



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Devastating losses from the war leaving few left to fight the WWs would,give that suspense too. And Cersei is smarter than that. She will do what she can,to,survive and wait,to,plot another day. Remember what Balon Greyjoy said. No man has ever died from bending the knee and he may rise again w blade in hand. She could cut a,deal,to,stay alive and devote,her forces to,the fight against the WWs. Why anyone would allow her to live tho is another question.


Yeah, I just don't see a series that is entirely based on scheming and plotting to get the throne, taking that off the table for the final season. The series is called "Game of Thrones" not "Can we beat the Zombies." Let's face it, the white walkers are cool and all, but having the throne resolved this season would make the final season anti-climactic. At no time in the series has there been just a single major plot line. It would make no sense to have a final season where the entire plot was just about beating the walkers.

Yes, HBO decided to call the show Game of Thrones, but the creator calls it "A Song Of Ice and Fire". Only the first book is called A Game of Thrones. The books we are supposed in now are The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. The series is about plotting yes, but the underlying theme has been the oncoming Winter and how to survive. "A Song of Ice and Fire" sure sounds like its a battle between the forces of cold (Winter Walkers) and those that control the fire (dragons). Why wouldn't it be mostly focused on scheming to this point, most the world doesn't know of the oncoming threat.
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Great episode though. Shame the gold got through to KL though. That would have been an interesting set up for the rest of the war: both sides only having the forces in the field to command with no prospect of mercenaries to bolster them (or better yet, Euron goes and gets the golden company, then they arrive to find that Cersei can't actually pay them).
Yeah, but don't forget Cersei is on the hook until the gold is delivered to the Iron Bank in Braavos. There's still a sea journey to complete, and, well, dragons

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...don't forget Cersei is on the hook until the gold is delivered to the Iron Bank in Braavos.

Braavos, huh? Arya knows the way; maybe she should come along?

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Are the dragons too much? I mean we have see what they can do. It is obvious she can destroy the army and not the cities. They have been made so powerful that every time they are going to get killed it is going to be in a kinda bullshit way. I don't know. There is too much power in this world. I mean the ice zombie threat is ringing hollow now because they endless supplies of the magic substance that defeats them for whatever reason so we know they aren't going to effect the story. Ugh! Epics!
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Are the dragons too much? I mean we have see what they can do. It is obvious she can destroy the army and not the cities. They have been made so powerful that every time they are going to get killed it is going to be in a kinda bullshit way. I don't know. There is too much power in this world. I mean the ice zombie threat is ringing hollow now because they endless supplies of the magic substance that defeats them for whatever reason so we know they aren't going to effect the story. Ugh! Epics!

I think the dragons would take away much of the drama of the struggle between the two armies (Dany's and Cersei's) were it not for the uncertainty engendered by the development of the Scorpion bolt, which is meant to give us the impression that a dragon can be killed by humans after all. So far, it's only had a limited success in wounding Drogon, but more of a threat from it was implied by the writers when they had Cersei's Hand, the disgraced maester Qyburn, tell an assemblage of lords (including Randyll Tarly) that they're working on some things to counter the dragons. Probably, they'll ring the wall tops of King's Landing with those Scorpions and maybe even successfully kill at least one of the dragons soon?

As far as the dragonglass (obsidian) goes, we know that it can defeat White Walkers. Spear heads made of it were first discovered by Samwell Tarly and his fellow Rangers Edd and Grenn back in Season 2, when they were at the Fist of the First Men, a fortified fort with a now-fallen-into-ruin chest-high stone wall ringing it. (The Fist was located on a hill overlooking the Haunted Forest in the east and the Skirling Pass and the Giant's Stairs in the west.)

I think the drama from that comes from whether or not Jon and/or Dany will be able to mine enough of it, fashion enough weapons from it (mostly swords and spear heads) and then get enough of it to their armies in time to matter. Perhaps the remainder of the Yara/Theon Greyjoy fleet is used to ferry it around (after that fleet gets the Unsullied back into the fight)?

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But we know we aren't going to see the Ice King standing at the southern most tip of the continent having lade waste to all the kingdoms. They are going to lose. I mean we know they are going to lose so their story line is already over. It will play a role who ends up on the throne but they aren't a real threat to the story are as a whole. Zombies are the worst.
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But we know we aren't going to see the Ice King standing at the southern most tip of the continent having lade waste to all the kingdoms. They are going to lose. I mean we know they are going to lose so their story line is already over. It will play a role who ends up on the throne but they aren't a real threat to the story are as a whole. Zombies are the worst.

We, of course, would say that we already know the Night King and his army of the dead are going to lose, because that's what you'd see in a classic tale of good versus evil or something similar. GoT is a bit more complicated than that, though, and the book series' writer -- George R.R. Martin -- as well as the TV series' writers (Weiss and Benioff, et al.) -- have proven that on many occasions.

So far, the White Walkers have been a largely unstoppable force (with the exception of Bran's uncle Benjen, the former First Ranger of the Night Watch who's now partially White Walker himself) and the writers just may take it to a final, cataclysmic struggle between all the armies before deciding a final outcome in which the army of the dead might even "win," in one fashion or another -- or at least be beaten back for another 10,000 years or however long ago the Dawn Age was.

Also, I don't know that the Night King and his army can carry out a direct frontal assault against the Wall. Remember what Benjen said last season about there being spells and charms within the Wall that can harm White Walkers who try to go through it or over it? Maybe that's why they're looking for a way around it by heading toward Eastwatch? That site is also a port and it's where the Wall ends at the sea.

I guess we'll have to see what the Night King does at Eastwatch this coming episode to get a better handle on both sides' capabilities. This may be where the writers show the Wildling leader Tormund's ultimate end. Or maybe he and his people will barely survive (though greatly reduced in number) as the army of the dead swarms over the site? You got me. ;-)

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I guess we'll have to see what the Night King does at Eastwatch this coming episode to get a better handle on both sides' capabilities. This may be where the writers show the Wildling leader Tormund's ultimate end. Or maybe he and his people will barely survive (though greatly reduced in number) as the army of the dead swarms over the site? You got me. ;-)[/quote]
Tormund can't die until he and Brienne fulfill their destiny as Westeros ultimate power couple.

Torenne or Brimund must be allowed to consummate their inevitable love.
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I guess we'll have to see what the Night King does at Eastwatch this coming episode to get a better handle on both sides' capabilities. This may be where the writers show the Wildling leader Tormund's ultimate end. Or maybe he and his people will barely survive (though greatly reduced in number) as the army of the dead swarms over the site? You got me. ;-)


Tormund can't die until he and Brienne fulfill their destiny as Westeros ultimate power couple.

Torenne or Brimund must be allowed to consummate their inevitable love.[/quote]

Hahahahahahahaha! Yeah, Tormund's definitely got the hots for that big mama, but I think Jaime's got dibs on that action. ;-)

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Torenne or Brimund must be allowed to consummate their inevitable love.



Hahahahahahahaha! Yeah, Tormund's definitely got the hots for that big mama, but I think Jaime's got dibs on that action. ;-)

Like they have any choice in the matter; Brienne gets what Brienne wants

Although, she kinda looks like she'd rather fight than fuck

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But we know we aren't going to see the Ice King standing at the southern most tip of the continent having lade waste to all the kingdoms. They are going to lose. I mean we know they are going to lose so their story line is already over. It will play a role who ends up on the throne but they aren't a real threat to the story are as a whole. Zombies are the worst.

Is the Night King going to lose? Maybe not. Maybe Jon et al go sailing off to the Summer Isles to leave Cersei and Westeros to their fate.

Bran and Daenrys have both seen the iron throne covered in snow, with the roof caved in.

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Also, I don't know that the Night King and his army can carry out a direct frontal assault against the Wall. Remember what Benjen said last season about there being spells and charms within the Wall that can harm White Walkers who try to go through it or over it? Maybe that's why they're looking for a way around it by heading toward Eastwatch? That site is also a port and it's where the Wall ends at the sea.

Per the intro, the bay of seals appears to be frozen over.
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That guy, Mark Gattis, that plays the Iron Bank representative also plays Mycroft Holmes in the Benedict Cumberbatch "Sherlock Holmes" series (he's a writer on the series, too). Nice and oily, as always And, as always, just about every actor or actress of note in the UK seems to have found a way to appear in GoT. ;-)


Gatiss also writes for Doctor Who, and has been in a couple episodes. But Sherlock and some of those years of Who had the same showrunner, Steven Moffat.
GoT has nothing on Harry Potter though - it's a shorter list for British actors of note that DIDN'T appear in HP films :D
Mark Gatiss will be back on Dr Who for the 2017 Christmas special. Maisie Williams had a reoccurring role on Dr Who a couple of seasons ago.
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Also, I don't know that the Night King and his army can carry out a direct frontal assault against the Wall. Remember what Benjen said last season about there being spells and charms within the Wall that can harm White Walkers who try to go through it or over it? Maybe that's why they're looking for a way around it by heading toward Eastwatch? That site is also a port and it's where the Wall ends at the sea.


Per the intro, the bay of seals appears to be frozen over.

Well, there you go. ;-)

Smart, though. "Go where they ain't" and follow the path of least resistance.

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Remember what Balon Greyjoy said. No man has ever died from bending the knee and he may rise again w blade in hand.

Recently, though, bending the knee hasn't been working out so well





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Take that shit to the Kapernick thread..... :)
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Take that shit to the Kapernick thread..... :)


No, no! That's some funny sh*t! :-)

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This is hysterical, Leslie Jones watching Sunday's episode with Seth Myers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvcrwTcA5iw



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Leslie Jones gives 110% in everything she does*







* I'd mention her cycling commentary from Rio, but y'know "Take that shit to the Tri Forum" and all

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It's like bringing an F16 to Little Big Horn! She could have wiped them out without losing a man. She lost a number of fighters.

I was expecting a totally different outcome to that battle;

• Dothraki charge and get Lannister army all running to confront them.
• Dothraki pull up suddenly
• Dany flies in from a flanking position and torches the wagons only (minor human casualties of course) then they all disappear

Robs Cersei of the food that was meant for them. In line with Jon's advice not to harm humans with Dragons.

Side note - how does Jaimee sink so deep when tackled a few yards from the waters edge? It was a soft edged lake, not a rocky cliff.
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Side note - how does Jaimee sink so deep when tackled a few yards from the waters edge? It was a soft edged lake, not a rocky cliff.

I asked the same question. I don't understand that at all.

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Side note - how does Jaimee sink so deep when tackled a few yards from the waters edge? It was a soft edged lake, not a rocky cliff.

I asked the same question. I don't understand that at all.[/quote

Artistic license
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Side note - how does Jaimee sink so deep when tackled a few yards from the waters edge? It was a soft edged lake, not a rocky cliff.


I asked the same question. I don't understand that at all.[/quote

Artistic license

It is supposed to be a river that is very deep and drops off quickly.
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In line with Jon's advice not to harm humans with Dragons

I don't think that was Jon's advice. His advice was not to burn the cities, because that would just make the normal people's lives shitty. I think that's why she, instead, attacked the army while it was still outside the city gates. She made her point, decimated the army, but didn't hurt the civilian population.

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Side note - how does Jaimee sink so deep when tackled a few yards from the waters edge? It was a soft edged lake, not a rocky cliff.


I asked the same question. I don't understand that at all.[/quote

Artistic license

It is supposed to be a river that is very deep and drops off quickly.


May well it supposed to be, but with a flat flood plain (can't really call it a beach regardless of how it looked) and an absence of rocky edges, that grade was falling away ever so slightly and Jaimee was lucky not to scorch the back of his head.

I'm calling out those lazy CGI boys. They were obviously exhausted having done such an awesome job on the dragon; and damn well everything else for the last 6 seasons! This is the one and only time I'll go Star Wars geek picky bastard on GoT.
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Anyone else besides me feel sorry for the Dragon? :D
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Certainly, Jon Snow as well as the Tyrells don't have a fleet. I don't think Braavos and the other free cities and their mercenary fleets will come to the aid of Dany, at least not this season. It's a tough nut to crack, in other words.


Well apparently you can build one in a blink of an eye. I would've liked some mention of a timeline on that because it seemed like they built that fleet of giant ships in about a week.

That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?
Digging this back up because I was just having a chat about timelines on GOT. The question raised was with all the timeline questions why hasn't Cersi's hair grown yet ?

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Certainly, Jon Snow as well as the Tyrells don't have a fleet. I don't think Braavos and the other free cities and their mercenary fleets will come to the aid of Dany, at least not this season. It's a tough nut to crack, in other words.


Well apparently you can build one in a blink of an eye. I would've liked some mention of a timeline on that because it seemed like they built that fleet of giant ships in about a week.


That's the question I just asked - how did he get an entire armada of massive ships so quickly, especially after his niece and nephew took the best ships?

Digging this back up because I was just having a chat about timelines on GOT. The question raised was with all the timeline questions why hasn't Cersi's hair grown yet ?

Maybe she likes it short now?

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Maybe she likes it short now?

Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.

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Maybe she likes it short now?


Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.


Agree, this has bothered me as well. Her hair not matching the time flow. Maybe it's artistic liscense I guess because the short hair makes her look more hard, callous and crazy.
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Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.

They could have easily fitted her with a wig to compensate for the time compression this season that's going on. Me being a writer, I'd have added some sort of brief throwaway two-liner between Cersei and Jaime remarking on the hair length and why she likes it short now (maybe something like "I'm wearing it short to remind me of my humiliation at the hands of my enemies" or some such twaddle ;-).

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Maybe she likes it short now?


Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.


They could have easily fitted her with a wig to compensate for the time compression this season that's going on. Me being a writer, I'd have added some sort of brief throwaway two-liner between Cersei and Jaime remarking on the hair length and why she likes it short now (maybe something like "I'm wearing it short to remind me of my humiliation at the hands of my enemies" or some such twaddle ;-).

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Agree, this has bothered me as well. Her hair not matching the time flow. Maybe it's artistic liscense I guess because the short hair makes her look more hard, callous and crazy

That's a good point and it works that way. It's just one more thing that adds to the rushed nature. It's kind of a big thing to over look in relation to the questionable timelines.

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Maybe she likes it short now?


Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.


They could have easily fitted her with a wig to compensate for the time compression this season that's going on. Me being a writer, I'd have added some sort of brief throwaway two-liner between Cersei and Jaime remarking on the hair length and why she likes it short now (maybe something like "I'm wearing it short to remind me of my humiliation at the hands of my enemies" or some such twaddle ;-).

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That's great! :-)

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Tenable but given who cut her hair and why I'd think she would grow it out.


Agree, this has bothered me as well. Her hair not matching the time flow. Maybe it's artistic liscense I guess because the short hair makes her look more hard, callous and crazy.
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Varys too. His hair hasn't grown a lick during the whole show.
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Same with Grey Worm's, but as Varys himself said this week on Seth Myers' show "we eunuchs have to stick together."



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Anyone else besides me feel sorry for the Dragon? :D

The whole battle scene, didn't care it Jamie or Bronn or Dany or Dickon (!!! :) ) died, but Drogon? Hell no!
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Since this is a speculation thread, will Dany use Drogon to pull Jamie out of the water?

Can a fire eating dragon immerse his head underwater and still breathe fire?
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Since this is a speculation thread, will Dany use Drogon to pull Jamie out of the water?

Can a fire eating dragon immerse his head underwater and still breathe fire?

My guess is, if we see anything of Jaime (and Bronn?) it'll be very brief. Maybe them surfacing somewhere where Dany/Drogon can't see them? I dunno.

I also have no clue about the rules of dragon warfare and whether or not they can breathe fire under water. ;-)

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I went back after the episode ended and paused it on DVR to read the note, its what Cersei had Sansa write way back after Ned was killed. Even though Little finger thinks he's playing Arya against Sansa, he doesn't know that she was hiding in the crowd that day and knows the truth. Either way, he's screwed.

Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.



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Gendry smash!


Looks like he finally stopped rowing. -)

And, looks like my guess about a brief thing with Jaime was completely wrong, as usual. LOL!

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I went back after the episode ended and paused it on DVR to read the note, its what Cersei had Sansa write way back after Ned was killed. Even though Little finger thinks he's playing Arya against Sansa, he doesn't know that she was hiding in the crowd that day and knows the truth. Either way, he's screwed.

Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.

Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?

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You are correct sir.



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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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My best guess for the short hair is a reminder to her. Her experience in the cell made her cold and able to withstand just about anything. It reminders her about what her enemies will do to her and why she needs to fight.
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Maybe it was explained and I missed it but why does Jon need to go north? Can't Dany send a dragon to swoop down and grab a white walker?

Can the night king control a dragon like he did the ravens?
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Anyone else besides me feel sorry for the Dragon? :D


The whole battle scene, didn't care it Jamie or Bronn or Dany or Dickon (!!! :) ) died, but Drogon? Hell no!

'Tis just a flesh wound.
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big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
I went back after the episode ended and paused it on DVR to read the note, its what Cersei had Sansa write way back after Ned was killed. Even though Little finger thinks he's playing Arya against Sansa, he doesn't know that she was hiding in the crowd that day and knows the truth. Either way, he's screwed.

Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?

yes and no. He would have been the rightful heir if not for the whole rebellion and overthrow of the dynasty. Dany and Jon do not have claims on the throne anymore as their family's government doesn't exist anymore. They have as much of a claim on the throne as Louis 14's descendants have on France (not really, but I can't think of a country with a major change in royal families via war)
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Spot on, the whole speculation about who has the right to the throne based on birth is a waste of time - all that matters is power, whether that's based on gold, military might, or support.

Heck, Cersei has absolutely no rightful claim to the throne other than that she's in possession of it.
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Spot on, the whole speculation about who has the right to the throne based on birth is a waste of time - all that matters is power, whether that's based on gold, military might, or support.

Heck, Cersei has absolutely no rightful claim to the throne other than that she's in possession of it.

That's very true. Possession is nine-tenths of the law, and all that. ;-)

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big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?

I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
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RandMart wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?


I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
"We left the book at The Citadel"
"Well, fook it, we're goin' back fer it"

Hahahahaha! Right! :-)

I think Gilly may have kept that book with her, though. Probably, she's going to continue reading, while on the wagon trip, and mentions that Rhaegar married Lyanna Stark and that's where Sam gets the lightbulb-over-the-head moment. But I'm probably wrong on that point, as well. LOL!

And Sam is now Lord Tarly, I think, right? His father and brother, who was Randyll's designated heir, were both burnt to a cinder last night (and I'd hoped the writers would have had a bit more fun with the whole "Rickon/Dickon" thing ;-). BUT: Sam also took the Black and is part of the Night's Watch, so I don't think he can take over the family homestead anyway. Hmmmm....

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big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?


I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
"We left the book at The Citadel"
"Well, fook it, we're goin' back fer it"

I was expecting him to stop halfway through his rant and do exactly that. I guess if he's now headed north then maybe they'll get the story from Bran and then Sam/Gilly will be able to provide the proof (on the basis that Dany isn't really going to go for "my slightly odd adopted brother saw it in a vision")
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And Sam is now Lord Tarly, I think, right? His father and brother, who was Randyll's designated heir, were both burnt to a cinder last night (and I'd hoped the writers would have had a bit more fun with the whole "Rickon/Dickon" thing ;-). BUT: Sam also took the Black and is part of the Night's Watch, so I don't think he can take over the family homestead anyway. Hmmmm....

No, Sam has no claim since he took the black and went to the wall. That house is pretty much gone now, unless there are some cousins or long lost relatives that step up.
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Anyone else think Cersei is full of shit about being pregnant with Jamie's child? Without a doubt she knows she can keep him wrapped around her little finger.

And speaking of Littlefinger, what's the over/under he's the major character to meet his demise this season? Perhaps we'll see Needle pierce his skull from back to front? With him actively trying to drive a wedge between Sansa and Arya, Bran knowing his past, Arya knowing the past. I'm thinking he's schemed his last scheme.

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Anyone else think Cersei is full of shit about being pregnant with Jamie's child? Without a doubt she knows she can keep him wrapped around her little finger.

And speaking of Littlefinger, what's the over/under he's the major character to meet his demise this season? Perhaps we'll see Needle pierce his skull from back to front? With him actively trying to drive a wedge between Sanasa and Arya, Bran knowing his past, Arya knowing the past. I'm thinking he's schemed his last scheme.

How much time has passed since they hopped into bed? Can she even know that at this point? This is where these screwy timelines are making me confused.
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mck414 wrote:
Anyone else think Cersei is full of shit about being pregnant with Jamie's child? Without a doubt she knows she can keep him wrapped around her little finger.

And speaking of Littlefinger, what's the over/under he's the major character to meet his demise this season? Perhaps we'll see Needle pierce his skull from back to front? With him actively trying to drive a wedge between Sanasa and Arya, Bran knowing his past, Arya knowing the past. I'm thinking he's schemed his last scheme.


How much time has passed since they hopped into bed? Can she even know that at this point? This is where these screwy timelines are making me confused.

Cersei will be the last major character to be killed off, for sure (the bee-yotch! LOL!). Jaime, if he does bite the big one, will go before her. At this point he seems a doomed man, and he also seems to know it. He's addicted to the kiss of the spider woman, who's a soul-sucking WHORE from whom there is no escape, hahahahaha! Sorry, couldn't help myself there.

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I agree, similar to Joffrey and Ramsay, its more "when" than "if at this point. Arya could do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Brienne that does it where she's sworn to protect Sansa.

Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.



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They didn't show her much last night, but Cersei almost always has wine in hand. I didn't notice if she did last night. Would the writers be keen enough to stop her from imbibing if pregnant? As a plot device withholding from alcohol is a bit too modern to fit the GoT time period.

Oh yeah, and F-n Gendry! His old man swung a hammer too.

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And Sam is now Lord Tarly, I think, right? His father and brother, who was Randyll's designated heir, were both burnt to a cinder last night (and I'd hoped the writers would have had a bit more fun with the whole "Rickon/Dickon" thing ;-). BUT: Sam also took the Black and is part of the Night's Watch, so I don't think he can take over the family homestead anyway. Hmmmm....


No, Sam has no claim since he took the black and went to the wall. That house is pretty much gone now, unless there are some cousins or long lost relatives that step up.

Wouldn't that apply to Jon Snow, as well? Although the latter died and fulfilled his vow, to be sure.

My prediction: when all is said and done, and the Night King has been permanently put on ice, the Night's Watch vow will become null and void and Sam Tarly will emerge as a hero and perhaps Warden of the North or something like that. But that's only because GRRM is no longer writing the scripts...

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I agree, similar to Joffrey and Ramsay, its more "when" than "if at this point. Arya could do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Brienne that does it where she's sworn to protect Sansa.

Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.

Who else needs to have a scene in which the Hound, Brienne, and Tormund come face-to-face-to-face for the first time?

I have lost count of the "things I need to have" in this show.

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I agree, similar to Joffrey and Ramsay, its more "when" than "if at this point. Arya could do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Brienne that does it where she's sworn to protect Sansa.

Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.


Who else needs to have a scene in which the Hound, Brienne, and Tormund come face-to-face-to-face for the first time?

I have lost count of the "things I need to have" in this show.



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Brian in MA wrote:
I agree, similar to Joffrey and Ramsay, its more "when" than "if at this point. Arya could do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Brienne that does it where she's sworn to protect Sansa.

Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.


Who else needs to have a scene in which the Hound, Brienne, and Tormund come face-to-face-to-face for the first time?

I have lost count of the "things I need to have" in this show.

Where's Jim Lange when you need him.....
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big kahuna wrote:
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And Sam is now Lord Tarly, I think, right? His father and brother, who was Randyll's designated heir, were both burnt to a cinder last night (and I'd hoped the writers would have had a bit more fun with the whole "Rickon/Dickon" thing ;-). BUT: Sam also took the Black and is part of the Night's Watch, so I don't think he can take over the family homestead anyway. Hmmmm....


No, Sam has no claim since he took the black and went to the wall. That house is pretty much gone now, unless there are some cousins or long lost relatives that step up.


Wouldn't that apply to Jon Snow, as well? Although the latter died and fulfilled his vow, to be sure.

My prediction: when all is said and done, and the Night King has been permanently put on ice, the Night's Watch vow will become null and void and Sam Tarly will emerge as a hero and perhaps Warden of the North or something like that. But that's only because GRRM is no longer writing the scripts...

Yes, it did apply to Jon as well. The vow is you are in the Nights Watch until you die. Well, he died.
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Speaking of timelines, is that little Sand Snake dead yet? Seems like she was kissed with poison lips several months ago by now.

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Speaking of timelines, is that little Sand Snake dead yet? Seems like she was kissed with poison lips several months ago by now.

I wonder if the next we see momma snake, it will be a scene of her still chained to the wall, with her daughter's rotted and decomposed corpse lying in front of her.

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Speaking of timelines, is that little Sand Snake dead yet? Seems like she was kissed with poison lips several months ago by now.


I wonder if the next we see momma snake, it will be a scene of her still chained to the wall, with her daughter's rotted and decomposed corpse lying in front of her.

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We all saw the way the dragons treated Tyrion last season, and the way Drogon treated Jon last night. Is Tryion really a Targaryen? That would explain part of the reason his "father" hates him, she died in child birth like Jon's mother.

If so then he and Jamie killed each other's father.

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RandMart wrote:
"You're no son of mine"


Come on, don't take things literally. Have you not been awake these past months?

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Endo wrote:
JSA wrote:
Speaking of timelines, is that little Sand Snake dead yet? Seems like she was kissed with poison lips several months ago by now.


I wonder if the next we see momma snake, it will be a scene of her still chained to the wall, with her daughter's rotted and decomposed corpse lying in front of her.

mama snake's actress says she's done filming, and that scene from Ep2 was the last one to be shown.
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There's certainly been a fair bit of speculation about Tyrion being a Targaryen. Partly due to the way the dragons reacted to him, partly because Tywin told him he wasn't his son, and partly because there are 3 dragons which implies 3 riders at some point (Danerys and Jon presumably being the first 2, and the TV series isn't including Aegon who could plausibly by the 3rd Targaryen in the books). Of course the other alternative is that one of the dragons gets killed or turned into a wight.

The fun of GoT is that it's more unpredictable than most TV shows, particularly since we're now ahead of the books. Am actually starting to wonder if that's somewhat deliberate by GRRM - I'm certainly enjoying the show more not knowing what's going to happen.

Next week's show looks like a big one. Guess as the penultimate episode in the series we could well be in for some of the big action scenes and deaths that normally go with episode 9 of the 10 show series. I'm guessing at least one or two of the Jon/Hound/Beric/Jorah/Tormund/Thoros/Gendry group aren't coming back. In any other show my money would be on Thoros/Beric/Tormund on the basis that Jon seems pretty core to the story, Gendry and Jorah have only just been reintroduced so won't get killed off yet, and we're all expecting the Hound to fight his big brother before the end. But with Game of Thrones who knows? I thought that Dickon Tarly was being lined up to have a somewhat important role (seemed to be getting a lot of screen time for a new character and the actor has a reasonable pedigree), and then Daenerys incinerated him. So maybe it's going to be total carnage and Jon will be the only survivor. Maybe by becoming a dragon rider and getting an air evacuation?
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"Jon Snow"
"Did you read it?"
"It's a sealed scroll for the King In the North"

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"Nothing good"

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In the books there are a couple of sisters.

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cartsman wrote:
RandMart wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?


I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
"We left the book at The Citadel"
"Well, fook it, we're goin' back fer it"

I was expecting him to stop halfway through his rant and do exactly that. I guess if he's now headed north then maybe they'll get the story from Bran and then Sam/Gilly will be able to provide the proof (on the basis that Dany isn't really going to go for "my slightly odd adopted brother saw it in a vision")

Meera said she's going to visit her father who was at the tower of Joy. I suspect that the news of john's parentage comes from him.

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sslothrop wrote:
cartsman wrote:
RandMart wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?


I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
"We left the book at The Citadel"
"Well, fook it, we're goin' back fer it"

I was expecting him to stop halfway through his rant and do exactly that. I guess if he's now headed north then maybe they'll get the story from Bran and then Sam/Gilly will be able to provide the proof (on the basis that Dany isn't really going to go for "my slightly odd adopted brother saw it in a vision")

Meera said she's going to visit her father who was at the tower of Joy. I suspect that the news of john's parentage comes from him.

Maybe, but anything he says is basically only hearsay that he's got third hand (Lyanna whispering to New, who then tells him). A documented account by the maester who carried out the annulment (and the wedding?) would carry a lot more weight.
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In the books there are a couple of sisters.

Yeah, I'm going mainly on what's in the show. I don't recall there being sisters at dinner when Sam stopped by his house on the way to Old Town.

The same could be said with House Tyrell. The main most powerful branch is gone, but I'm sure there are others out there down the line so while the family tree is hurt, the name could still be there.

Best house being destroyed is the Frey's. Good work there.
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I agree, similar to Joffrey and Ramsay, its more "when" than "if at this point. Arya could do it but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be Brienne that does it where she's sworn to protect Sansa.

Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.

And how many of them are going?

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cartsman wrote:
sslothrop wrote:
cartsman wrote:
RandMart wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
Another big reveal was Gilly mentioning how Raegars marriage was annulled so that he could marry Leanna in secret, therefore legitimizing Jon. Guess Dany will be the one having to bend the knee.


Good grabs. I figured on the Rhaegar thing as soon as Gilly started talking about his annulment. If it's true that he did it so that he could marry Lyanna Stark -- and he did in fact marry her -- that would make Jon a Targaryen and Rhaegar's legitimate heir as well as the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms, correct?


I'm wondering how long it's gonna take for Sam to say "Wait? Gilly? What was that you said about Raegar? Raegar Targaryen? Read that again!"
"We left the book at The Citadel"
"Well, fook it, we're goin' back fer it"


I was expecting him to stop halfway through his rant and do exactly that. I guess if he's now headed north then maybe they'll get the story from Bran and then Sam/Gilly will be able to provide the proof (on the basis that Dany isn't really going to go for "my slightly odd adopted brother saw it in a vision")


Meera said she's going to visit her father who was at the tower of Joy. I suspect that the news of john's parentage comes from him.


Maybe, but anything he says is basically only hearsay that he's got third hand (Lyanna whispering to New, who then tells him). A documented account by the maester who carried out the annulment (and the wedding?) would carry a lot more weight.


Ned strolls out of Rhaegar's love nest with a newborn and his sister's body, it's pretty convincing evidence of parentage. Gilly's discovery is important to establish John's legitimacy as heir to the Iron Throne.

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One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon


I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

https://winteriscoming.net/...me-thrones-season-7/


He's mentioned a bit in the first book, with Samwell's arrival at Castle Black and his father's disowning (as well as threatened murder) of him if he didn't take the black and join the Night's Watch. Dickon, Rickon...that's been a running joke the last couple of episodes. First it was Jaime with Randyll Tarly, when he first meets Dickon and asks "You're Rickon?" Then Bronn has some sport with his name.

Dickon seems a good egg, though. I hope he made it through all that dragonfire. I'd hate to see his calcined bones in the next episode. LOL!


I assume they are setting Dickon up to have some sort of notable role or impact in the story. He's too striking of an actor to just be there as a redshirt. And considering how limited their time is to get the story finished, they spent a lot of valuable screen time with Dickon.

I thought that was a really sharp analysis. Until last night.

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Endo wrote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dickon


I couldn't figure out where Dickon came from this season since the actor also was in Blacksails. After looking it up this morning I realize that he was a recast and where his character fits in. It was distracting trying to figure out how the pirate went back in time.

https://winteriscoming.net/...me-thrones-season-7/


He's mentioned a bit in the first book, with Samwell's arrival at Castle Black and his father's disowning (as well as threatened murder) of him if he didn't take the black and join the Night's Watch. Dickon, Rickon...that's been a running joke the last couple of episodes. First it was Jaime with Randyll Tarly, when he first meets Dickon and asks "You're Rickon?" Then Bronn has some sport with his name.

Dickon seems a good egg, though. I hope he made it through all that dragonfire. I'd hate to see his calcined bones in the next episode. LOL!


I assume they are setting Dickon up to have some sort of notable role or impact in the story. He's too striking of an actor to just be there as a redshirt. And considering how limited their time is to get the story finished, they spent a lot of valuable screen time with Dickon.

I thought that was a really sharp analysis. Until last night.

Yeah, clearly Dickon was just introduced so the audience would think it was a bad thing when Dany burned them up. If it was just the old man, nobody would have cared.

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One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.

Wasn't there something about Littlefinger re Bran's assasination attempt? Or is it to do with Bran witnessing Cersei and Jamie together? It's too long ago for me to remember....I don't know how some people remember all of these details on some of the forums etc discussing it. Do they dedicate their lives tot his stuff?
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Spot on, the whole speculation about who has the right to the throne based on birth is a waste of time - all that matters is power, whether that's based on gold, military might, or support.

Heck, Cersei has absolutely no rightful claim to the throne other than that she's in possession of it.

A long while back Varys (or it might have been Tyrion) asked the riddle: a king, a sept and a rich man were in a room with a sell sword. Each one tells him to kill the other two. Who walks out of the room with the sell sword? Much discussion ensues, with the arguments which trumps which: religion vs money vs royalty. The answer depends on who the sell sword determines has the power.

Yep, after Tommen's death, Cersei had power (the name, the money, an army, and the capital) and no challengers, therefore she is ascended the throne unimpeded.

WTF is happening with Dorne anyways? I know they're a story backwater, but they're the only region not to commit ground troops so far. Similar with Riverlands. I know it's in a mess, and the male Freys have been wiped out, but Edmure is still about surely? Or has nobody thought to check on his cell yet?

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Speaking of, I loved it last night when Jon was at East Watch going over who they could bring with them north of the wall, and Tormund asking "What about the big woman?" They need to get those two kids together.


Justin Turner is the love child of Brienne and Tormund (for some reason the link for Tinypic is being deleted)

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One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.

In last week's episode (the one with the loot train battle), Bran asked Littlefinger who wanted him dead and Baelish replied "Someone very wealthy." That's a teaser right there. ;-)

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WTF is happening with Dorne anyways? I know they're a story backwater, but they're the only region not to commit ground troops so far. Similar with Riverlands. I know it's in a mess, and the male Freys have been wiped out, but Edmure is still about surely? Or has nobody thought to check on his cell yet?

Edmure was pretty hapless. Wondering if the Blackfish is still about somewhere, always seemed odd that we didn't see his death scene.

The Dorne royal family has basically been wiped out, guess that would explain why things are a bit quiet down there. Any idea who would be next in line after the Martells? The Daynes? Maybe we'll see a new Sword of the Morning leading the Dornish army and adding another Valerian sword to the tally?
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One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.

I thought it was Jamie ? Isn't the dagger his? Which he gave to the assassins a few seasons ago.

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One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.

For your reading pleasure, for what it's worth: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/...2051-brans-assassin/
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sslothrop wrote:
One thing I've always wondered is, who hired the assassin to kill Bran? The whole Joffrey did it to impress King Robert always struck me as more than a little contrived. Plus, I think he would have bragged to Sansa about when she was his captive. The obvious suspects are Cersei and Jaime. Jaime confessed his crimes to Catelyn so he's in the clear. I would guess Cersei over Joffrey. It's a key plot point, early in the story. I would expect GRRM had something specific in mind.


I thought it was Jamie ? Isn't the dagger his? Which he gave to the assassins a few seasons ago.

No one really knows where the dagger came from, just that someone tried to use it on Bran, who was in a coma, recovering from being tossed out the window when he saw Jaime pounding Cersei in the tower {"I thought he was pounding her in the ass?"]

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o one really knows where the dagger came from, just that someone tried to use it on Bran, who was in a coma, recovering from being tossed out the window when he saw Jaime pounding Cersei in the tower


When they found out he survived the fall I thought that's when he gave someone the dagger? Or had it in his hand talking to Cersi about fixing the problem.

ETA - I looked it up. Littlefinger made the assertion it was Tyrians dagger back in season one. That must be what I remember

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Here is my speculative take on where this is going:

As a story arc - Daenerys Targaryen wants to break the cyclical wheel of Westerosi conflict between kings and wanna-be-kings that results in suffering by the people. By breaking this wheel, she will re-instate a bigger cyclical wheel of of Targaryen rule, going back to Aegon I, who initially conquered Westros with his 3 dragons and sister-wives all those thousands of years ago.

To make all the pieces fit Daenerys will need to fall in love and get together with John Snow and then find out that he's actually her older-half brother. But that's OK, they are Targaryans. First he'll bend the knee to get her help to save the north, then she'll bend the knee when it becomes clear he's the eldest heir to the Iron Throne. Together they will end up ruling Westros. The song of Ice and Fire is about them - He's Ice and she's Fire.

House Stark will fall to one of the girls - probably Sansa but maybe Arya. One of them likely ends up dead before the end. Sansa at the hands of a mad with jealousy Peter Balish, Arya at the hands of a white walker defending her family?

House Lanister - I can't see how Cercei survives - she's been the baddie all 7 seasons. Maybe Tyrion survives and takes on as lord of Castely Rock? Maybe Jamie survives and is made to take the Black and becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch?

House Baratheon - There isn't much here to build on, but I figure Gendry Baratheon (or Waters) was re-introduced as a likable character to re-ignite the house lineage?


The other major and minor Houses won't fare as well - after all, the story is not about them. The Marells, Tyrells, Tullys, Freys, Greyjoys, Arryn, etc. will all end up either completely or effectively wiped.
Some possible exceptions - House Tarly may rise up as a major house under Sam Tarly. House Tormont may rise under Jorah - those would be 'feel-good' moves by GRRM, but by no means likely.

The White Walker threat will be neutralized by the unification of the 7 kingdoms under John Snow & Danny T. I figure the Children of the Forest will come out for one final hurrah to destroy the monsters they originally created, and ultimately this will be the end of the Children of the Forest in Westros. Like Tolkien's elves - they will disappear from the world into legend.

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ETA - I looked it up. Littlefinger made the assertion it was Tyrion's dagger back in season one. That must be what I remember

If Littlefinger said ii is so, clearly it is NOT

I thought Jon Snow's sword, Arya's Needle, and the dagger were all Valerian steel, but I can't see where Needle is confirmed as such, only that it was made by the same swordsmith who made Jon's



ETA: It's fun to go back to Season One for these



"Try not to stab your sister with it"



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... the short hair makes her look more hard, callous and crazy.
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She's kinda got a Joan of Arc thing going on

If I know anything, it's this: when a woman is known for long hair, and she cuts short .... get ready for a battle

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If Littlefinger said ii is so, clearly it is NOT

In was fun reading about stuff from season one. The theory was that little finger said it was tyrian's to stir the pot esssentually. He all but admitted it was his dagger but then said he lost it in a card game or something. He either lost it to Tyrian or it made its was into tyrians possession.

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I like a lot of your theory. A lot is pointing to Jon being outted soon as a Targaryen.
Earlier in this thread there was speculation if Sam could return to head his house. I think Jon will either free him of his commitment to the nights watch or simple let him return home to rule his house. Either reminding him of his oath or a promise of someone to take his place.

I think someone important dies next week. Little worried about Ayra. Her character is getting the right amount of likeable and been important to make it a shocking death.

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Here is my speculative take on where this is going:


As a story arc - Daenerys Targaryen wants to break the cyclical wheel of Westerosi conflict between kings and wanna-be-kings that results in suffering by the people. By breaking this wheel, she will re-instate a bigger cyclical wheel of of Targaryen rule, going back to Aegon I, who initially conquered Westros with his 3 dragons and sister-wives all those thousands of years ago.

To make all the pieces fit Daenerys will need to fall in love and get together with John Snow and then find out that he's actually her older-half brother. But that's OK, they are Targaryans. First he'll bend the knee to get her help to save the north, then she'll bend the knee when it becomes clear he's the eldest heir to the Iron Throne. Together they will end up ruling Westros. The song of Ice and Fire is about them - He's Ice and she's Fire.

House Stark will fall to one of the girls - probably Sansa but maybe Arya. One of them likely ends up dead before the end. Sansa at the hands of a mad with jealousy Peter Balish, Arya at the hands of a white walker defending her family?

House Lanister - I can't see how Cercei survives - she's been the baddie all 7 seasons. Maybe Tyrion survives and takes on as lord of Castely Rock? Maybe Jamie survives and is made to take the Black and becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch?

House Baratheon - There isn't much here to build on, but I figure Gendry Baratheon (or Waters) was re-introduced as a likable character to re-ignite the house lineage?


The other major and minor Houses won't fare as well - after all, the story is not about them. The Marells, Tyrells, Tullys, Freys, Greyjoys, Arryn, etc. will all end up either completely or effectively wiped.
Some possible exceptions - House Tarly may rise up as a major house under Sam Tarly. House Tormont may rise under Jorah - those would be 'feel-good' moves by GRRM, but by no means likely.

The White Walker threat will be neutralized by the unification of the 7 kingdoms under John Snow & Danny T. I figure the Children of the Forest will come out for one final hurrah to destroy the monsters they originally created, and ultimately this will be the end of the Children of the Forest in Westros. Like Tolkien's elves - they will disappear from the world into legend.


I just want to point out one mistake in your post.


John isn't Dany's brother he would be her nephew. Rhaegar is John's father and Dany's older brother. Since we found out that Rhaegar married John's mother Lyanna last episode it would make him an actual heir.

I really hope they don't kill off Jamie and would like to see him take the black on the Wall.
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Guffaw wrote:
Here is my speculative take on where this is going:


As a story arc - Daenerys Targaryen wants to break the cyclical wheel of Westerosi conflict between kings and wanna-be-kings that results in suffering by the people. By breaking this wheel, she will re-instate a bigger cyclical wheel of of Targaryen rule, going back to Aegon I, who initially conquered Westros with his 3 dragons and sister-wives all those thousands of years ago.

To make all the pieces fit Daenerys will need to fall in love and get together with John Snow and then find out that he's actually her older-half brother. But that's OK, they are Targaryans. First he'll bend the knee to get her help to save the north, then she'll bend the knee when it becomes clear he's the eldest heir to the Iron Throne. Together they will end up ruling Westros. The song of Ice and Fire is about them - He's Ice and she's Fire.

House Stark will fall to one of the girls - probably Sansa but maybe Arya. One of them likely ends up dead before the end. Sansa at the hands of a mad with jealousy Peter Balish, Arya at the hands of a white walker defending her family?

House Lanister - I can't see how Cercei survives - she's been the baddie all 7 seasons. Maybe Tyrion survives and takes on as lord of Castely Rock? Maybe Jamie survives and is made to take the Black and becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch?

House Baratheon - There isn't much here to build on, but I figure Gendry Baratheon (or Waters) was re-introduced as a likable character to re-ignite the house lineage?


The other major and minor Houses won't fare as well - after all, the story is not about them. The Marells, Tyrells, Tullys, Freys, Greyjoys, Arryn, etc. will all end up either completely or effectively wiped.
Some possible exceptions - House Tarly may rise up as a major house under Sam Tarly. House Tormont may rise under Jorah - those would be 'feel-good' moves by GRRM, but by no means likely.

The White Walker threat will be neutralized by the unification of the 7 kingdoms under John Snow & Danny T. I figure the Children of the Forest will come out for one final hurrah to destroy the monsters they originally created, and ultimately this will be the end of the Children of the Forest in Westros. Like Tolkien's elves - they will disappear from the world into legend.


I just want to point out one mistake in your post.


John isn't Dany's brother he would be her nephew. Rhaegar is John's father and Dany's older brother. Since we found out that Rhaegar married John's mother Lyanna last episode it would make him an actual heir.

I really hope they don't kill off Jamie and would like to see him take the black on the Wall.
and would like to see him be the one to finally kill Cersei

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I really hope they don't kill off Jamie and would like to see him take the black on the Wall.


and would like to see him be the one to finally kill Cersei

Hey, if Maester Qyburn can reanimate The Mountain as FrankenVader, and could build the Giant Crossbow to shoot the dragons, why can't be build Jamie a decent artificial hand?

He'd just need a donor, and some way to bolt it on?

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I really hope they don't kill off Jamie and would like to see him take the black on the Wall.


and would like to see him be the one to finally kill Cersei


Hey, if Maester Qyburn can reanimate The Mountain as FrankenVader, and could build the Giant Crossbow to shoot the dragons, why can't be build Jamie a decent artificial hand?

He'd just need a donor, and some way to bolt it on?

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I really hope they don't kill off Jamie and would like to see him take the black on the Wall.

and would like to see him be the one to finally kill Cersei

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and would like to see him be the one to finally kill Cersei

...I'm hoping he's her valonqar, not Tyrion (hoping he's Targaryen)
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All I know is that Lady Stoneheart may have actually made her appearance on TV......

http://www.cinemablend.com/...e-but-can-it-be-real
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All I know is that Lady Stoneheart may have actually made her appearance on TV......

http://www.cinemablend.com/...e-but-can-it-be-real

Either that, or a Munchkin just hung himself

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Kid behind a curtain with a shotgun.

Seriously though, that would be a cool nod to the book fans if they stuck her in there.
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Kid behind a curtain with a shotgun.

Seriously though, that would be a cool nod to the book fans if they stuck her in there.

There was also a nod to the "still rowing" internet meme.

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Oh shit!!!
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Kid behind a curtain with a shotgun.

Seriously though, that would be a cool nod to the book fans if they stuck her in there.


There was also a nod to the "still rowing" internet meme.

Yeah, Ser Davos has some of the best lines of the episode. "Don't mind me, I've just managed to live a long life"!

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Jon Snow needs to send a raven to Bard of lake town.
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Anyone else besides me feel sorry for the Dragon? :D


The whole battle scene, didn't care it Jamie or Bronn or Dany or Dickon (!!! :) ) died, but Drogon? Hell no!

'Tis just a flesh wound.

Had to wait until now to look at this since I couldn't watch until tonight.

Excellent episode. Dracarys!!!
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Jon's sword is Valyrian steel, it was given to him by Jorah Mormont's father so I was expecting that to get a mention when those 2 met.

Needle isn't Valyrian, it's just regular steel made specially for Arya. That's why her getting the dagger is significant as it gives her the ability to kill white walkers.
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I like a lot of your theory. A lot is pointing to Jon being outted soon as a Targaryen.
Earlier in this thread there was speculation if Sam could return to head his house. I think Jon will either free him of his commitment to the nights watch or simple let him return home to rule his house. Either reminding him of his oath or a promise of someone to take his place.

I think someone important dies next week. Little worried about Ayra. Her character is getting the right amount of likeable and been important to make it a shocking death.

Well, Sam says he is, but that they left the evidence behind: https://www.usatoday.com/...-targarye/572678001/
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Anyone watched episode 6 yet?

I have to say, there doesn't seem to be much GRR Martin influence this season as a whole. Way too much deus ex machina going on.

The travel time is also getting annoying in that people seem to be able to travel long distances in a blink of eye.


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Holy shit
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IKR.

First he was rowing, and now he's running. ;-)

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One down, two to go. That was tough to witness.

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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?
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The travel time is also getting annoying in that people seem to be able to travel long distances in a blink of eye.

suspension of disbelief, brother. that, and the ravens back then flew exceptionally fast. likewise, the dragons, once they got up a head of steam.

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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?

My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.

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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?

My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.

I'm guessing ice.

The time travel stuff is getting annoying. As well stuff just appearing like the giant chains they used to drag the dragon out of the water. Or was it an ambush? But then how would the army of the dead know about the dragons.

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big kahuna wrote:
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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?


My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.


I'm guessing ice.

The time travel stuff is getting annoying. As well stuff just appearing like the giant chains they used to drag the dragon out of the water. Or was it an ambush? But then how would the army of the dead know about the dragons.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think you're right. After all, they're coming from the North and the region of ice and snow and it'd stand to reason any weapon they'd use -- such as that dead dragon -- would spread ice, which would be devastatingly effective down in the south and at King's Landing. Those pink-skinned folk would probably drop in their tracks just from one exhalation of that zombie dragon's breath. ;-)

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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?


My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.

Yeah, fire for me also. Viserion is still a dragon. A dead one, but a dragon nonetheless.

Anyone who thinks Cersei is not going to try and (indirectly) use the Night King to weaken or kill her enemies really hasn't been paying attention.

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I'm voting fire just because they need something to punch a hole in the Wall.

Decent episode but waaaaay too much ex machina going on. If that was a GRRM written episode half of our new favorite characters would be dead, not just a bunch of random red shirts.

Also does the Hound not watch The Walking Dead? Don't poke the bear....
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I'm voting fire just because they need something to punch a hole in the Wall.

Decent episode but waaaaay too much ex machina going on. If that was a GRRM written episode half of our new favorite characters would be dead, not just a bunch of random red shirts.

Also does the Hound not watch The Walking Dead? Don't poke the bear....

The rock throwing was too much like LOTR and the mines of Moria.
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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.
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big kahuna wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?


My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.

Yeah, fire for me also. Viserion is still a dragon. A dead one, but a dragon nonetheless.

Anyone who thinks Cersei is not going to try and (indirectly) use the Night King to weaken or kill her enemies really hasn't been paying attention.

Yeah, she's not going to be real,swayed by a single wight when she has Frankenvader standing next to her.
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
bluemonkeytri wrote:
Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?


My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.


Yeah, fire for me also. Viserion is still a dragon. A dead one, but a dragon nonetheless.

Anyone who thinks Cersei is not going to try and (indirectly) use the Night King to weaken or kill her enemies really hasn't been paying attention.


Yeah, she's not going to be real,swayed by a single wight when she has Frankenvader standing next to her.

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With Dany committing all her forces for this meeting, I see wildfire coming. Tyrion has already been outwitted twice, and his relationship w Dany is tenuous, this could be his downfall.
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One down, two to go. That was tough to witness.

Sets up for a big dragon on dragon battle. You can only show dragons torching people on the ground so much before you gotta mix it up.

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big kahuna wrote:
One down, two to go. That was tough to witness.


Sets up for a big dragon on dragon battle. You can only show dragons torching people on the ground so much before you gotta mix it up.

Yup. Losing one of her dragons also weakens Dany's hand slightly. She's lost a third of her air force now, that third having gone over to the (real) enemy.

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With Dany committing all her forces for this meeting, I see wildfire coming. Tyrion has already been outwitted twice, and his relationship w Dany is tenuous, this could be his downfall.

If that's the case I'm guessing Cerci or Jamie sees the army of the dead soldier they brought back. The wildfire is then saved to use against the army of the dead in the epic battle to come.

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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.

The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!
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It was definitely the funniest.
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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!

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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!

I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.

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Baelish will die. Soon.

I also think Dany will die as well, possibly by the ice dragon. Jon will be the rightful heir (which he is anyway) and he will rule the kingdoms on his own. I think he will also use a dragon to subdue his enemies.
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I'm voting fire just because they need something to punch a hole in the Wall.

Decent episode but waaaaay too much ex machina going on. If that was a GRRM written episode half of our new favorite characters would be dead, not just a bunch of random red shirts.

Also does the Hound not watch The Walking Dead? Don't poke the bear....


The rock throwing was too much like LOTR and the mines of Moria.

It was almost as if the writers were poking us, too, having the Walker with literally no brain in his skull figure out that the ice was thick enough to support their weight.

Probably my least favorite of the big episodes. They went way too LOTR in the battle scenes, with the WWs being cartoonishly inept at fighting, and I counted at least six walk breaks for dramatic dialogue.

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They went way too LOTR in the battle scenes

So why didn't they just use the eagles to fly the ring to Orodruin?

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So now I'm now imagining Jon Snow, Frodo and Sam, and Darth Vader bumping around together on stone rafts in a lava flow.

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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.

Made the comment to my wife while watching this episode last night..."is this GoT or Fellowship of the Ring?"

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Baelish will die. Soon.

I also think Dany will die as well, possibly by the ice dragon. Jon will be the rightful heir (which he is anyway) and he will rule the kingdoms on his own. I think he will also use a dragon to subdue his enemies.

I guess one dead dragon puts an end to the theory that Tyrion is also a Targaryen and will be the third rider - only need 2 dragon riders now and between Jon and Daenerys they've got it covered.
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I guess one dead dragon puts an end to the theory that Tyrion is also a Targaryen and will be the third rider - only need 2 dragon riders now and between Jon and Daenerys they've got it covered.

Before Dany left I was thinking Tyrion was somehow going to get on one in her place or ride along with her on one. Thus showing he was Targaryen.

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So now I'm now imagining Jon Snow, Frodo and Sam, and Darth Vader bumping around together on stone rafts in a lava flow.



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I guess one dead dragon puts an end to the theory that Tyrion is also a Targaryen and will be the third rider - only need 2 dragon riders now and between Jon and Daenerys they've got it covered.


Before Dany left I was thinking Tyrion was somehow going to get on one in her place or ride along with her on one. Thus showing he was Targaryen.

I always found the Tyrion being a Targaryen speculation to be pretty unlikely, other than him saying that all dwarves are bastards there's been pretty much no hints dropped in either books or TV.

I was half expecting Jon to prove his Targaryen heritage by having Rhaegal come back and rescue him.
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big kahuna wrote:
One down, two to go. That was tough to witness.


Sets up for a big dragon on dragon battle. You can only show dragons torching people on the ground so much before you gotta mix it up.

Yup. Losing one of her dragons also weakens Dany's hand slightly. She's lost a third of her air force now, that third having gone over to the (real) enemy.

Whose mojo is stronger? The ice king or the mother of dragons? Can Dany turn the dragon back to fire?
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Francois wrote:
One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!


I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.

100% agree with this. Sansa is a lot smarter than people think and she's been warned by everyone (most notably and recently Jon, Arya and Brienne) so she is certainly playing it up to keep Littlefinger comfy. Arya is also extremely wise and shrewd.

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big kahuna wrote:
One down, two to go. That was tough to witness.


Sets up for a big dragon on dragon battle. You can only show dragons torching people on the ground so much before you gotta mix it up.


Yup. Losing one of her dragons also weakens Dany's hand slightly. She's lost a third of her air force now, that third having gone over to the (real) enemy.


Her enemies in King's Landing don't know about the loss of the one dragon. It doesn't weaken her hand per se when it comes to the mental jiu-jitsu because as far as they know she still has three. Hopefully she's not dumb enough to mention that to Cersei and Jaime during their little meet and greet next week. "The Night King is so powerful that he even killed one of my dragons." Best not to offer up that info.

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Francois wrote:
One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.

Made the comment to my wife while watching this episode last night..."is this GoT or Fellowship of the Ring?"

I made the FOTR comment at the end of 5 when they were all setting off from the wall.

I found it strange that the night king would spear a flying dragon when there was a grounded one (with enemies) 50 yards away.
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Thought the same thing, Drogon was a sitting duck. Also very sporting of the Night King to give Drogon a chance to get airborne instead of letting loose with his second javelin as soon as he had it in his hand.

I'm OK with them picking up the pace, jumping around a bit from one set piece to another and skipping some of the travel and exposition. Certainly at the pace GRRM is going this could drag on for another 10 series of they didn't make that choice. But it does seem like they're being unnecessarily sloppy with the plot and are hoping viewers will be so enthralled by the big scenes they won't care or notice. Having them sit surrounded on the island while Gendry ran back to the Wall, sent a raven 700 miles (apparently) to Dragonstone, and then Daenerys flew 700 miles north was ridiculous. More to the point it was also unnecessary - would have been simple enough to either take a raven with them to save Gendry running (I assume they work like homing pigeons) and/or find a plot device to have Daenerys already at the Wall when the news arrived.

I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief and I'll be glued to the screen for the remaining episodes both to get closure on the plot and to enjoy what are still the highest production values and effects I've ever seen in a TV series. But I do feel like the series is in danger of jumping the shark and that even allowing for the accelerated timeline the plausibility has taken a big drop.
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Thought the same thing, Drogon was a sitting duck. Also very sporting of the Night King to give Drogon a chance to get airborne instead of letting loose with his second javelin as soon as he had it in his hand.

I'm OK with them picking up the pace, jumping around a bit from one set piece to another and skipping some of the travel and exposition. Certainly at the pace GRRM is going this could drag on for another 10 series of they didn't make that choice. But it does seem like they're being unnecessarily sloppy with the plot and are hoping viewers will be so enthralled by the big scenes they won't care or notice. Having them sit surrounded on the island while Gendry ran back to the Wall, sent a raven 700 miles (apparently) to Dragonstone, and then Daenerys flew 700 miles north was ridiculous. More to the point it was also unnecessary - would have been simple enough to either take a raven with them to save Gendry running (I assume they work like homing pigeons) and/or find a plot device to have Daenerys already at the Wall when the news arrived.

I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief and I'll be glued to the screen for the remaining episodes both to get closure on the plot and to enjoy what are still the highest production values and effects I've ever seen in a TV series. But I do feel like the series is in danger of jumping the shark and that even allowing for the accelerated timeline the plausibility has taken a big drop.

Maybe the Night King deliberately let them go? I know he took what looked like a half-hearted stab at spearing Drogon when they were all in flight, but maybe that was a ruse and he wants them all to be in a state of near-panic as he and his army make their way south? Perhaps it's an Armageddon-type scenario he's after?

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I think the Night King likes toying with his prey a bit. He pretty much let Jon and his gang go during that episode two seasons ago, in which the Night King was like "Look what I can do, bitch!" and resurrected all the dead wildlings.

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Nah, I'm going for sloppy writing. Given how many wights those dragons incinerated in a short space of time, he'd take out as many as he could if he had the chance. Plus even if he didn't know who Daenerys was, the fact there are 3 dragons and only one rider is enough to tell him that killing her likely nullifies the whole dragon threat. If he wants to spread panic then letting a few survivors get back on foot after seeing the dragons turned to wights would do the trick.
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That was a great line, that and the exchange between Gendry and the Hound when Gendry was going on about Melisandre trying to sacrifice him: (motioning to Beric) "He's been killed six times already, you don't hear him bitching about it!"

As far as the story being compressed, I guess I've grudgingly accepted it at this point, knowing that it is going to be moreso in the final season where there will be only six.



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Nah, I'm going for sloppy writing. Given how many wights those dragons incinerated in a short space of time, he'd take out as many as he could if he had the chance. Plus even if he didn't know who Daenerys was, the fact there are 3 dragons and only one rider is enough to tell him that killing her likely nullifies the whole dragon threat. If he wants to spread panic then letting a few survivors get back on foot after seeing the dragons turned to wights would do the trick.

Jon Snow's group was presumably on that little island for a couple of days waiting for word to get back and dragons to come to the rescue. The Night King could easily have just sent in his army to kill them all during that time. Then you don't get a big dragon battle, you don't get a dragon killing, you don't get a wight dragon you don't get the drama of Danerys leaving Jon in the water, etc.

I know it's foolish to say this to GoT fans, but you really can't think too hard about it.

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Nah, I'm going for sloppy writing. Given how many wights those dragons incinerated in a short space of time, he'd take out as many as he could if he had the chance. Plus even if he didn't know who Daenerys was, the fact there are 3 dragons and only one rider is enough to tell him that killing her likely nullifies the whole dragon threat. If he wants to spread panic then letting a few survivors get back on foot after seeing the dragons turned to wights would do the trick.


Jon Snow's group was presumably on that little island for a couple of days waiting for word to get back and dragons to come to the rescue. The Night King could easily have just sent in his army to kill them all during that time. Then you don't get a big dragon battle, you don't get a dragon killing, you don't get a wight dragon you don't get the drama of Danerys leaving Jon in the water, etc.

I know it's foolish to say this to GoT fans, but you really can't think too hard about it.

I thought the same thing. Compression is a necessary part of storytelling in these sorts of fantasy epics (we saw it in LOTR quite a bit as well), and I figured Jon Snow and his A Team ( ;-) ) were on that island for a few days before Dany and her dragons could get to them. I get the feeling that spot wasn't all that far from the Eastwatch portion of the Wall, either, judging from Gendry and his running skills. LOL!

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So what terrors has Yara been experiencing? Inquiring minds....
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So what terrors has Yara been experiencing? Inquiring minds....

Oh, the usual. Torture with hot iron pokers, the rack, violation in various unspeakable ways. I don't think ol' Uncle Euron is very warm and fuzzy, for some reason.

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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!


I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.

Not a chance. Sansa is dumb as a stump. A couple seasons ago, I was pulling for her death.

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Will he breathe ice or fire? Which one was it?


My guess is fire. Like the writers said, now he's got his own weapon of mass destruction. That's a double-whammy for sure.

Now they're implying that the season finale will show all sides coming to some sort of entente or an outright alliance to defeat the Night King.


Yeah, fire for me also. Viserion is still a dragon. A dead one, but a dragon nonetheless.

Anyone who thinks Cersei is not going to try and (indirectly) use the Night King to weaken or kill her enemies really hasn't been paying attention.

You think fire?

As we noted earlier, Vanity Fair describes that an ice dragon can "breathe cold, a chill so terrible that it can freeze a man solid in half a heartbeat.

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Yeah, ice dragons might be able to spit ice, Viserion is not an ice dragon. It's an undead fire dragon. Whilst I readily admit to not being an expert on dragon biology, I think it's doubtful that a dead fire dragon would be able to shoot columns of ice after it was reanimated.

Last season there was a bit of fan talk about there being an ice dragon under the wall, which would be really cool (no pun intended), but I think that's just wishful thinking.

On a related point, I've had a moment of clarity. I can't believe I'm arguing about whether a mythical creature which is subjected to a fictional process will metamorphosise into a different subset of mythical creature (an undead dragon turns into a fucking ice dragon due to necromancy). I'm off to have a word with myself.

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Yeah, ice dragons might be able to spit ice, Viserion is not an ice dragon. It's an undead fire dragon. Whilst I readily admit to not being an expert on dragon biology, I think it's doubtful that a dead fire dragon would be able to shoot columns of ice after it was reanimated.

Last season there was a bit of fan talk about there being an ice dragon under the wall, which would be really cool (no pun intended), but I think that's just wishful thinking.

On a related point, I've had a moment of clarity. I can't believe I'm arguing about whether a mythical creature which is subjected to a fictional process will metamorphosise into a different subset of mythical creature (an undead dragon turns into a fucking ice dragon due to necromancy). I'm off to have a word with myself.


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Yeah, ice dragons might be able to spit ice, Viserion is not an ice dragon. It's an undead fire dragon. Whilst I readily admit to not being an expert on dragon biology, I think it's doubtful that a dead fire dragon would be able to shoot columns of ice after it was reanimated.

Last season there was a bit of fan talk about there being an ice dragon under the wall, which would be really cool (no pun intended), but I think that's just wishful thinking.

On a related point, I've had a moment of clarity. I can't believe I'm arguing about whether a mythical creature which is subjected to a fictional process will metamorphosise into a different subset of mythical creature (an undead dragon turns into a fucking ice dragon due to necromancy). I'm off to have a word with myself.

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Yeah, ice dragons might be able to spit ice, Viserion is not an ice dragon. It's an undead fire dragon. Whilst I readily admit to not being an expert on dragon biology, I think it's doubtful that a dead fire dragon would be able to shoot columns of ice after it was reanimated.

Last season there was a bit of fan talk about there being an ice dragon under the wall, which would be really cool (no pun intended), but I think that's just wishful thinking.

On a related point, I've had a moment of clarity. I can't believe I'm arguing about whether a mythical creature which is subjected to a fictional process will metamorphosise into a different subset of mythical creature (an undead dragon turns into a fucking ice dragon due to necromancy). I'm off to have a word with myself.


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I know, I get all that and can easily gloss over the smaller things. As I said though, in that particular case it would have been pretty easy to either have taken a raven with them or arranged for Daenerys to already be at the Wall and then the elapsed time wouldn't have been quite so silly.

That doesn't feel like a result of timelines being compressed, it feels like the result of the script writers just not bothering to try and make it add up any more, which is a shame.
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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!


I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.


Not a chance. Sansa is dumb as a stump. A couple seasons ago, I was pulling for her death.

So what's the reason for sending Brienne to Kings Landing? Is she going to try and kill Arya? Everything in GOT has significance, right?

Also, the Scorpion bolt didn't kill Drogon when hit in the shoulder area, but that ice spear did kill Viserion when hit in around the same spot (albeit a little more on his side as I recall). Did the Night King choose Viserion because he was smaller and didn't think the spear would kill Drogon?
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JSA wrote:
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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!


I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.


Not a chance. Sansa is dumb as a stump. A couple seasons ago, I was pulling for her death.


So what's the reason for sending Brienne to Kings Landing? Is she going to try and kill Arya? Everything in GOT has significance, right?

Also, the Scorpion bolt didn't kill Drogon when hit in the shoulder area, but that ice spear did kill Viserion when hit in around the same spot (albeit a little more on his side as I recall). Did the Night King choose Viserion because he was smaller and didn't think the spear would kill Drogon?

It looked to me like it got him in the meaty underbelly towards the side and tore a spear sized hole.
That whole scene/idea was completely ludicrous to me. There is really no way that Jon would ever think that was a good idea to go get a white walker after seeing what he has seen. In my eyes that whole thing was completely unbelievable.
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[ There is really no way that Jon would ever think that was a good idea to go get a white walker after seeing what he has seen. In my eyes that whole thing was completely unbelievable.
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[ There is really no way that Jon would ever think that was a good idea to go get a white walker after seeing what he has seen. In my eyes that whole thing was completely unbelievable.
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It looked to me like it got him in the meaty underbelly towards the side and tore a spear sized hole.
That whole scene/idea was completely ludicrous to me. There is really no way that Jon would ever think that was a good idea to go get a white walker after seeing what he has seen. In my eyes that whole thing was completely unbelievable.
Mark

I thought the white walker idea was to convince Cerci or the others that they are real and they all need to unite to fight the common foe. Sort of like elves , dwarves and humans coming together to fight Sauron and his army.

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It looked to me like it got him in the meaty underbelly towards the side and tore a spear sized hole.
That whole scene/idea was completely ludicrous to me. There is really no way that Jon would ever think that was a good idea to go get a white walker after seeing what he has seen. In my eyes that whole thing was completely unbelievable.
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I thought the white walker idea was to convince Cerci or the others that they are real and they all need to unite to fight the common foe. Sort of like elves , dwarves and humans coming together to fight Sauron and his army.

Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability, the idea was for the Magnificent Seven to retrieve one of the dead. The White Walkers are the guys who reanimate the dead; there's no way they would be able to capture one of them. Sam killed a White Walker; Jon killed one at Hardhome and again in the skirmish before the big battle in this past episode.

And where did Jorah get the dragonglass weapons, and only he seems to have them?

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And where did Jorah get the dragonglass weapons, and only he seems to have them?

My guess was it was made from some of the dragon glass they were mining at Westeros (?). Of a lot of the rushed things this season if we are delving into the minutiae I would buy they had time to make some weapons out of it. Kind of explains why they are using small weapons like daggers. I can't remember which character it was, maybe the hound, who dropped the hammer and pulled out the daggers.

On the subject of GOT weapons I am going to nerd out a little. The flaming swords are pretty cool.

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Boy...I'll say. Talk about nitpicking.

For those questioning the timeline, this is interesting:

https://amp.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6u75t3/lets_do_the_math_on_how_long_it_would_take_a/

And perhaps the night king is smarter than people think?

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/this-theory-about-the-night-king-is-more-terrifying-than-anything-in-game-of-thrones-598962
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Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability

Boy...I'll say. Talk about nitpicking.

For those questioning the timeline, this is interesting:

https://amp.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6u75t3/lets_do_the_math_on_how_long_it_would_take_a/

And perhaps the night king is smarter than people think?

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/this-theory-about-the-night-king-is-more-terrifying-than-anything-in-game-of-thrones-598962[/quote[/url]]

Talk about minutiae my wife and daughter were watching a live Podcast last night that went about 2.5 hours long. My daughter tells me that the Podcast she watches about Teen Wolf last about 3 hours every week.

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And perhaps the night king is smarter than people think?

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/this-theory-about-the-night-king-is-more-terrifying-than-anything-in-game-of-thrones-598962

The only similarity in locations is the presence of a rock grouping. If the producers were trying to feed that storyline, they sure went out of their way to create vastly different landscapes for those two scenes when a copy and paste would have conveyed the message.

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Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability, ...

HA! True! But, allow me to hop on my soapbox one more time on this issue. I am willing to completely suspend my common sense and go entirely into the realm of fantasy on this show and in any movie (like, for example, Fast and Furious 8). So, I will go into your world and I will accept your "rules" in that world. You (the writers) get to create the rules. But, you need to follow them. You need to be consistent in their application. Anything else is purely sloppy writing, which should be called out.

Now, this is the greatest show I have ever seen. BUT, there is some damn sloppy writing at times and gross violations of the rules set by the writers. I know they are rushed for time, but, come on! They are better than this!

Ok, I'm done ...

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More minutiae look at the eye of the wolf (not eagle)on the pommel . Is this an unintended special effect? the attached article mentions it could be his hand but that looks to be behind the sword. Also says it could be water but then it should run down and looks like it opens up. Unless splashing up off the ice.



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Holy shit! It sure looks like the eye opened! That could an optical illusion, but I hope it was intentional.

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BTW, what ever happened to ghost?
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I've not before seen an eagle with a mouth full of canines?

Is this another suspend your beliefs moment everyone is talking about? ;)
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More minutiae look at the eye of the eagle on the pommel . Is this an unintended special effect? the attached article mentions it could be his hand but that looks to be behind the sword. Also says it could be water but then it should run down and looks like it opens up. Unless splashing up off the ice.



https://www.joe.ie/...n-snows-sword-599029

Not for nothin', but that's a wolf on the pommel. Jon and Jorah talked about it in the episode when Jon offered to give the sword back to the Mormont family. Mentioned that Jeor had the bear removed and a wolf put on. Not that this has anything to do with that cool special effect.

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I've not before seen an eagle with a mouth full of canines?

Is this another suspend your beliefs moment everyone is talking about? ;)

My mistake, I was too distracted looking at the eye. I took the name longclaw and the head part and just ran with it.

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you're right, see above. I was too distracted by the eye thing trying to figure out if it was an accident

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More minutiae look at the eye of the wolf (not eagle)on the pommel . Is this an unintended special effect? the attached article mentions it could be his hand but that looks to be behind the sword. Also says it could be water but then it should run down and looks like it opens up. Unless splashing up off the ice.



https://www.joe.ie/...n-snows-sword-599029

Eye seems to move in sync with Jon's hand - maybe the eye part is glass and we're seeing a slightly refracted view of what's going on behind the pommel?
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Eye seems to move in sync with Jon's hand - maybe the eye part is glass and we're seeing a slightly refracted view of what's going on behind the pommel?

Good catch. Maybe reflecting off the camera lens. Way to ruin it !!!!

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My guess is the CGI crew was sneaking in meaningless easter eggs, a la Disney animators.

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Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability, ...


HA! True! But, allow me to hop on my soapbox one more time on this issue. I am willing to completely suspend my common sense and go entirely into the realm of fantasy on this show and in any movie (like, for example, Fast and Furious 8). So, I will go into your world and I will accept your "rules" in that world. You (the writers) get to create the rules. But, you need to follow them. You need to be consistent in their application. Anything else is purely sloppy writing, which should be called out.

Now, this is the greatest show I have ever seen. BUT, there is some damn sloppy writing at times and gross violations of the rules set by the writers. I know they are rushed for time, but, come on! They are better than this!

Ok, I'm done ...

You said it much better than I could. Thank you, I'm done with the nitpicking too!
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Obsidian is pretty brittle - I would bet that daggers are the longest practical weapons they could make (a sword would just shatter). Then again, you can stab a dragon with ice so what do I know.
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Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability, ...


HA! True! But, allow me to hop on my soapbox one more time on this issue. I am willing to completely suspend my common sense and go entirely into the realm of fantasy on this show and in any movie (like, for example, Fast and Furious 8). So, I will go into your world and I will accept your "rules" in that world. You (the writers) get to create the rules. But, you need to follow them. You need to be consistent in their application. Anything else is purely sloppy writing, which should be called out.

Now, this is the greatest show I have ever seen. BUT, there is some damn sloppy writing at times and gross violations of the rules set by the writers. I know they are rushed for time, but, come on! They are better than this!

Ok, I'm done ...

This is pretty much all I ask of any sic-fi/fantasy/horror story. You have to follow your own rules.

It has become obvious that the money has already been made off of GoT. Number of seasons is more important than number of episodes and coherent stories aren't important at all.

Still love the show but this season is getting frustrating.

Hey look everyone, there is Benjen, wonder what he has been up to ... Welp, there goes Benjen. Never mind.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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JSA wrote:
klehner wrote:


Since this thread has (d)evolved into arguing about minutiae and believability, ...


HA! True! But, allow me to hop on my soapbox one more time on this issue. I am willing to completely suspend my common sense and go entirely into the realm of fantasy on this show and in any movie (like, for example, Fast and Furious 8). So, I will go into your world and I will accept your "rules" in that world. You (the writers) get to create the rules. But, you need to follow them. You need to be consistent in their application. Anything else is purely sloppy writing, which should be called out.

Now, this is the greatest show I have ever seen. BUT, there is some damn sloppy writing at times and gross violations of the rules set by the writers. I know they are rushed for time, but, come on! They are better than this!

Ok, I'm done ...


This is pretty much all I ask of any sic-fi/fantasy/horror story. You have to follow your own rules.

It has become obvious that the money has already been made off of GoT. Number of seasons is more important than number of episodes and coherent stories aren't important at all.

Still love the show but this season is getting frustrating.

Hey look everyone, there is Benjen, wonder what he has been up to ... Welp, there goes Benjen. Never mind.

Yeah I don't get the Benjen part either. Why couldn't he have just gotten on the horse with John. They weren't going to be able to chase down the horse. It makes no sense.
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Benjen and his Thurible, whoda thought it'd be useless against wite walkers.

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Yeah I don't get the Benjen part either. Why couldn't he have just gotten on the horse with John. They weren't going to be able to chase down the horse. It makes no sense.

I agree it is not logical, but it kinda "makes sense" when we consider Benjen "Cold Hands" Stark and his story arc. He was stabbed in the stomach by an ice sword, but revived with a shard of dragon glass to the heart. This left him in a "tweener" state - not dead, but not alive. He wondered aloud why he had been "saved" but not "cured." He knew he had a mission, which is why he stayed north of the wall. He saved Bran and thought his mission was complete. But, it wasn't and he remained in his tweener state. That is until he saved Jon. Once he did so, he realized his mission was over and it was time for him to finally pass. So, he stayed and finally found peace.

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Yeah I don't get the Benjen part either. Why couldn't he have just gotten on the horse with John. They weren't going to be able to chase down the horse. It makes no sense.


I agree it is not logical, but it kinda "makes sense" when we consider Benjen "Cold Hands" Stark and his story arc. He was stabbed in the stomach by an ice sword, but revived with a shard of dragon glass to the heart. This left him in a "tweener" state - not dead, but not alive. He wondered aloud why he had been "saved" but not "cured." He knew he had a mission, which is why he stayed north of the wall. He saved Bran and thought his mission was complete. But, it wasn't and he remained in his tweener state. That is until he saved Jon. Once he did so, he realized his mission was over and it was time for him to finally pass. So, he stayed and finally found peace.

Until raised by the Night King.....

Someone earlier mentioned that the money has already been made of GOT. Not sure about that, the books would sell like crazy if he ever finished them. But I am beginning to doubt he ever will. It has to be deflating for an artist to have their story told by someone else, even if it is only a streamlined version. If you believe that GRRM gave the HBO people an outline for where the story was going. I see this being a Brandon Sanderson WOT situation....
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Yeah I don't get the Benjen part either. Why couldn't he have just gotten on the horse with John. They weren't going to be able to chase down the horse. It makes no sense.


I agree it is not logical, but it kinda "makes sense" when we consider Benjen "Cold Hands" Stark and his story arc. He was stabbed in the stomach by an ice sword, but revived with a shard of dragon glass to the heart. This left him in a "tweener" state - not dead, but not alive. He wondered aloud why he had been "saved" but not "cured." He knew he had a mission, which is why he stayed north of the wall. He saved Bran and thought his mission was complete. But, it wasn't and he remained in his tweener state. That is until he saved Jon. Once he did so, he realized his mission was over and it was time for him to finally pass. So, he stayed and finally found peace.


Until raised by the Night King.....

Well, I have a question about that. It appears the wights are a bit like Walkers in TWD. If they "just" kill you, you can be raised. But, sometimes they completely destroy/devour the victim, in which case, there is no coming back. It appeared the guys attacked by the wights were torn to pieces. There's no coming back from that. I think Benjen is the same. Considering he has taken dragon glass to the heart, I don't believe he can be raised by the Night King.

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And where did Jorah get the dragonglass weapons, and only he seems to have them?

A third viewing answered my own question: everyone who needed dragonglass had it. Jon had his Valyrian sword, Beric had his flaming sword, Gendry had his hammer, and everyone else (except the redshirts, perhaps) had dragonglass. Jorah had two daggers, Sandor had at least a hatchet, and even Tormund had an axe with multiple pieces of dragonglass.

Do I recall Jon loading a heavy box onto the rowboat when he departed Dragonstone? That likely was filled with dragonglass weapon bits.

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And where did Jorah get the dragonglass weapons, and only he seems to have them?

A third viewing answered my own question: everyone who needed dragonglass had it. Jon had his Valyrian sword, Beric had his flaming sword, Gendry had his hammer, and everyone else (except the redshirts, perhaps) had dragonglass. Jorah had two daggers, Sandor had at least a hatchet, and even Tormund had an axe with multiple pieces of dragonglass.

Do I recall Jon loading a heavy box onto the rowboat when he departed Dragonstone? That likely was filled with dragonglass weapon bits.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to know you needed dragon glass to fight them, mine a bunch of dragon glass, then not make sure everyone had some.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Yeah, I dont think Benjen is coming back in any form - firstly, he wasn't alive when he was killed; secondly, he'll have been ripped apart, and there's no coming back from that; thirdly, who would know even if he was given the size of the undead horde.

I wonder how many white walkers are left seeing as a few of their number have been 'killed' in the last few series (Sam; Hardhome; wight hunt).

They just need to knock a few more WW off to thin the undead horde a little more prior to final showdown.

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JSA wrote:
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One dragon being a white flyer was pretty much a given. The best part of the episode yesterday I thought was the interaction between Arya and Sansa.


The best interaction was Clegane and Tormund!


I think the Arya-Sansa thing is being done to trick Littlefinger into believing that his evil ploy is working. Surely by now Sansa knows that Litllefinger's motives can never be trusted.And it wouldn't surprise me if Sansa is the one who finally cuts his throat.


Not a chance. Sansa is dumb as a stump. A couple seasons ago, I was pulling for her death.

So what's the reason for sending Brienne to Kings Landing? Is she going to try and kill Arya? Everything in GOT has significance, right?

Also, the Scorpion bolt didn't kill Drogon when hit in the shoulder area, but that ice spear did kill Viserion when hit in around the same spot (albeit a little more on his side as I recall). Did the Night King choose Viserion because he was smaller and didn't think the spear would kill Drogon?

Watching again since my wife didn't see it yet. When Little Finger mentions that Brienne would be bound to intercede if Arya tried anything Sansa looks up and says she would. Sansa sent her away so she wouldn't have to fight Arya. Sansa is adding g it up. The question is when Arya pokes Little Finger in the eye with Needle, does Needle come out the back or the front.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Season Finale.......90 minutes long!!!!!!
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Agree with others here that the writing in last episode was abysmal. The death of the dragon lacked any emotional power at all.

The most powerful and shocking moment for me to date is still Ned Stark getting killed.
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Not the red wedding?

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Nah. That wasn't as powerful for me. There was still some hope for Ned and then it was taken away, whereas the red wedding was not as well executed imo. I think I had read the book prior to seeing the red wedding on screen so knew it was coming, whereas with Ned on the tv show, I hadn't started the books yet.

For me, GOT is like a long form greek tragedy set in a fantasy world. You just know some of the more sympathetic characters are going to get in trouble for their flaws.
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Geek tragedy surely?

I hadn't read the books by the time I watched the red wedding, hence the impact was massive - maybe more so that Ned's 'ed. Similar with the Mountain hulk smashing Oberyn into the dust - that was a suprise ( I thought the Mountain would win somehow, but I was cheering for Oberyn - and was screaming at the TV to stop dicking around and kill him already)

But yes, you're not the first person I've heard say that the characters have died because of their flaws - Ned let his honour override his caution; Rob broke his oath; Joffrey's hubris; Tommen's weakness; Marjory putting her faith in another (High Sparrow) rather than herself, etc.

The only ones who I would argue haven't died due to their faults have been this serie's deaths - QoT; Sand snakes; Frey.

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Agree with others here that the writing in last episode was abysmal. The death of the dragon lacked any emotional power at all.

The most powerful and shocking moment for me to date is still Ned Stark getting killed.

What emotions were you expecting from the death of the dragon? It's a dragon. I'm not even sure if we are expected to know one from the other based on physicality? I was more upset over Ned slitting the throat of the first dire wolf and when Rob's was shot in its cage.

Ned's death for me (as someone who hasn't read any of the books) was confronting because it was (from memory) the first significant death viewers were confronted with. For those who had not read the book it was unexpected because we were not used to characters (who we thought were in it for the long haul) being killed off. After that we got used to it and the question became, who is next?

The red wedding pretty much had me gasping for breath watching it late at night in bed on my phone. I could not settle down for about 15 mins. Significantly more shocking than Ned's death because you knew he was in trouble in the 'minutes' leading up to it.

Oberyn's death had me incredibly pissed off.
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Geek tragedy surely?

I hadn't read the books by the time I watched the red wedding, hence the impact was massive - maybe more so that Ned's 'ed. Similar with the Mountain hulk smashing Oberyn into the dust - that was a suprise ( I thought the Mountain would win somehow, but I was cheering for Oberyn - and was screaming at the TV to stop dicking around and kill him already)

But yes, you're not the first person I've heard say that the characters have died because of their flaws - Ned let his honour override his caution; Rob broke his oath; Joffrey's hubris; Tommen's weakness; Marjory putting her faith in another (High Sparrow) rather than herself, etc.

The only ones who I would argue haven't died due to their faults have been this serie's deaths - QoT; Sand snakes; Frey.

Frey - Certainly led by revenge for the broken oath but I'd say he died from Greed, Walder Frey switched allegiances when it suited him financially, he would be granted Rivverun and protection from Tywin Lannister
Sand Snakes - I see their death caused by Wrath, Ellaria was all consumed with destroying Cersei for the death of Obryn, which certainly was picked up on by her daughters.
Olenna Tyrell - This one has me stumped. She always seemed to be a two steps ahead of everyone else.

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GrimOopNorth wrote:
Geek tragedy surely?

I hadn't read the books by the time I watched the red wedding, hence the impact was massive - maybe more so that Ned's 'ed. Similar with the Mountain hulk smashing Oberyn into the dust - that was a suprise ( I thought the Mountain would win somehow, but I was cheering for Oberyn - and was screaming at the TV to stop dicking around and kill him already)

But yes, you're not the first person I've heard say that the characters have died because of their flaws - Ned let his honour override his caution; Rob broke his oath; Joffrey's hubris; Tommen's weakness; Marjory putting her faith in another (High Sparrow) rather than herself, etc.

The only ones who I would argue haven't died due to their faults have been this serie's deaths - QoT; Sand snakes; Frey.


Frey - Certainly led by revenge for the broken oath but I'd say he died from Greed, Walder Frey switched allegiances when it suited him financially, he would be granted Rivverun and protection from Tywin Lannister
Sand Snakes - I see their death caused by Wrath, Ellaria was all consumed with destroying Cersei for the death of Obryn, which certainly was picked up on by her daughters.
Olenna Tyrell - This one has me stumped. She always seemed to be a two steps ahead of everyone else.

To be fair, I think she may have been. She didn't agree with Tyrion's plan that Jaime out-maneuvered and ended with the Lannister army taking Highgarden.
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Holy shit! It sure looks like the eye opened! That could an optical illusion, but I hope it was intentional.

In my rewatching last night with the wife. Watch the whole segment. They eye is definitely closed before he comes up. Then it stays open as he carries the sword around. At one point you can see that both eyes are open.

Now just tells me what it means. Does it mean his sword knows when he dies and comes back to life? I initially thought it was stupid that someone could be submerged in ice water for minutes, not dry off, then ride for hours in the wintry wind without dying of hypothermia. Looking like Jon can't die under normal circumstances now.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Not the red wedding?

I was a late adopter, my wife had read all the books and had seen all the episodes before I started watching just the fourth season started. While we were watching the Red Wedding she was sitting on the couch like always, I was so engulfed in the episode and the reception I did not realize she ran off to hide in the kitchen. She told me she left just before the reception happened. She has also read all of the books for Outlander so before every episode I have to ask if she is going to desert me.

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Holy shit! It sure looks like the eye opened! That could an optical illusion, but I hope it was intentional.


In my rewatching last night with the wife. Watch the whole segment. They eye is definitely closed before he comes up. Then it stays open as he carries the sword around. At one point you can see that both eyes are open.

Now just tells me what it means. Does it mean his sword knows when he dies and comes back to life? I initially thought it was stupid that someone could be submerged in ice water for minutes, not dry off, then ride for hours in the wintry wind without dying of hypothermia. Looking like Jon can't die under normal circumstances now.

I can't figure it out. If you go back to earlier in the episode when he offers the sword back to Jorah the eyes look open as in the scene coming out of the water. While they are talking the eyes look different, almost hollow at one point.

The scene I attached earlier when you watch all of it they do seem to change.

So I can't figure if it's an optical illusion or not.

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In one of the articles I posted, it talks about the eyes being a single clear crystal that goes through from one side to the other. There is speculation the eyes do not open and close, but, rather, are see-through (like glass) and they appear to "open" when Jon's black glove comes out of the water just behind the eyes. The article then goes on to say they disagree (as do I) and that that eyes are no clear or see-through, but, rather, opaque and white.

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http://nerdist.com/...ones-jon-snow-sword/

Pretty much what I said in my earlier post.
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That would help explain the variations in the scene I mentioned with Jorah that the article also mentions. They looked more hollow then though.

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In one of the articles I posted, it talks about the eyes being a single clear crystal that goes through from one side to the other. There is speculation the eyes do not open and close, but, rather, are see-through (like glass) and they appear to "open" when Jon's black glove comes out of the water just behind the eyes. The article then goes on to say they disagree (as do I) and that that eyes are no clear or see-through, but, rather, opaque and white.

They might do that some time, but that really doesn't seem to be what was going on in that scene. But even if they are opening and closing, I doubt we will ever know exactly what was going on.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.
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There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.

If the Night King is like Bran, wouldn't he have known he was going to miss with the second spear? If that's the case, why throw it at all? :)

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Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


If the Night King is like Bran, wouldn't he have known he was going to miss with the second spear? If that's the case, why throw it at all? :)

I thought Bran knew everything that had happened, but was not able to clearly see the future.

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JSA wrote:
Danno wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


If the Night King is like Bran, wouldn't he have known he was going to miss with the second spear? If that's the case, why throw it at all? :)


I thought Bran knew everything that had happened, but was not able to clearly see the future.

Hell if I know. I was just trying to be clever. #cleverfail.

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Danno wrote:
JSA wrote:
Danno wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


If the Night King is like Bran, wouldn't he have known he was going to miss with the second spear? If that's the case, why throw it at all? :)


I thought Bran knew everything that had happened, but was not able to clearly see the future.


Hell if I know. I was just trying to be clever. #cleverfail.

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Season finale is titled "The Dragon and the Wolf", running time of almost 80 minutes, and there is a casting spoiler out there if you care to look.
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I don't think GoT works on seven deadly sins. If it did there would be a pretty high turnover of major characters (fuck it, Cersei and Jaime wouldn't have made it past the first series).

I'm just trying to think about Cersei's exchange with Ned back at the start - if you're going to play the game of thrones you either win or you die. The list of dead didn't play it very well, or at least not as well as the current survivors, so what did they fuck up? This links nicely with Sansa's exchange with Jon, in which she tells him he needs to be smarter than Rob or Ned (and that he shouldn't go to Dragonstone and he can't trust Cersei etc)

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There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.

Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.

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Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.

Why don't they attach dragon glass arrowheads to a bunch of crows and have Bran warg the murder of crows to dive bomb the Night King?

Why can't Bran warg the ice dragon to eat the Night King?

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big kahuna wrote:

Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


Why don't they attach dragon glass arrowheads to a bunch of crows and have Bran warg the murder of crows to dive bomb the Night King?

Why can't Bran warg the ice dragon to eat the Night King?

In a recent episode, Bran was in a bunch of crows spying on the Night King and the King just gestured up to them and kicked Bran back into his own head.

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slowguy wrote:
JSA wrote:
big kahuna wrote:

Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


Why don't they attach dragon glass arrowheads to a bunch of crows and have Bran warg the murder of crows to dive bomb the Night King?

Why can't Bran warg the ice dragon to eat the Night King?


In a recent episode, Bran was in a bunch of crows spying on the Night King and the King just gestured up to them and kicked Bran back into his own head.

That's right. I remembered Bran warging the crows, which is why I came up with that idea. I forget about the Night King looking up and knocking Bran out of the crows.

I guess my question is - did the NK kick Bran out of the crows or did it just startle Bran causing him to lose his connection?

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JSA wrote:
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JSA wrote:
big kahuna wrote:

Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


Why don't they attach dragon glass arrowheads to a bunch of crows and have Bran warg the murder of crows to dive bomb the Night King?

Why can't Bran warg the ice dragon to eat the Night King?


In a recent episode, Bran was in a bunch of crows spying on the Night King and the King just gestured up to them and kicked Bran back into his own head.

That's right. I remembered Bran warging the crows, which is why I came up with that idea. I forget about the Night King looking up and knocking Bran out of the crows.

I guess my question is - did the NK kick Bran out of the crows or did it just startle Bran causing him to lose his connection?

Seemed like he knew exactly what was going on and used his powers to stop Bran from spying, but it's GoT, so who knows.

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Seemed like he knew exactly what was going on and used his powers to stop Bran from spying, but it's GoT, so who knows.

I think you are probably right.

So, can Bran warg into a wight (human or animal)? Can Bran warg into a White Walker?

Is Bran the Night King???

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Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


Why don't they attach dragon glass arrowheads to a bunch of crows and have Bran warg the murder of crows to dive bomb the Night King?

Why can't Bran warg the ice dragon to eat the Night King?

I think he and the Night King have some sort of psychic connection and Bran's unable to do much but peek in on the Night King's activities via his animal surrogates. I also don't know that NK can even do that to Brandon.

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Seemed like he knew exactly what was going on and used his powers to stop Bran from spying, but it's GoT, so who knows.

I think you are probably right.

So, can Bran warg into a wight (human or animal)? Can Bran warg into a White Walker?

Is Bran the Night King???

Bran is everyone. The entire cast is just empty husks of people that Bran has killed with his brain, and he controls all of them like puppets. The final scenes of the show will have it turn out he is a non-corporeal interstellar entity, and his mom will call him home for dinner so he has to stop playing, and all the characters will drop like rag dolls.

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I thought Bran was connected,to,the Night King and jumped out of the ravens when he saw he had been spotted by the Night King.
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I thought Bran was connected,to,the Night King and jumped out of the ravens when he saw he had been spotted by the Night King.

Well, there is a crazy theory Bran is the Night King. Remember, Bran can warg into people, even back in time, which is how Hodor became Hodor. But, remember the prior 3-eyed-raven told him he could not stay too long or he would be "stuck" in that person. The theory is, Bran has gone back multiple times to stop the NK, but stayed too long, and is, in fact, the Night King. That seems far fetched.

There is another theory Bran can warg the ice dragon and thus be the 3rd dragon rider. Remember, in Season 3, Bran was told he would never walk again, but would fly.

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Read that theory. Seems a little far fetched for GRRM. I saw that raven scene as,being like Frodo wearing the ring and ripping it,off when he sees the Eye looking his way
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Read that theory. Seems a little far fetched for GRRM. I saw that raven scene as,being like Frodo wearing the ring and ripping it,off when he sees the Eye looking his way

That's a good analogy and my first thought as well. But, slowguy may be right - NK may be able to "block" Bran. I dunno. I just hope they don't bogart the season finale.

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It takes a really special show to live up to,its fans expectations. More,often than not,they screw up. I have my fingers crossed
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mck414 wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
Geek tragedy surely?

I hadn't read the books by the time I watched the red wedding, hence the impact was massive - maybe more so that Ned's 'ed. Similar with the Mountain hulk smashing Oberyn into the dust - that was a suprise ( I thought the Mountain would win somehow, but I was cheering for Oberyn - and was screaming at the TV to stop dicking around and kill him already)

But yes, you're not the first person I've heard say that the characters have died because of their flaws - Ned let his honour override his caution; Rob broke his oath; Joffrey's hubris; Tommen's weakness; Marjory putting her faith in another (High Sparrow) rather than herself, etc.

The only ones who I would argue haven't died due to their faults have been this serie's deaths - QoT; Sand snakes; Frey.


Frey - Certainly led by revenge for the broken oath but I'd say he died from Greed, Walder Frey switched allegiances when it suited him financially, he would be granted Rivverun and protection from Tywin Lannister
Sand Snakes - I see their death caused by Wrath, Ellaria was all consumed with destroying Cersei for the death of Obryn, which certainly was picked up on by her daughters.
Olenna Tyrell - This one has me stumped. She always seemed to be a two steps ahead of everyone else.


To be fair, I think she may have been. She didn't agree with Tyrion's plan that Jaime out-maneuvered and ended with the Lannister army taking Highgarden.

You sure Olenna is dead? We never really saw her die and she seems pretty shrewd enough to have an antidote to lots of stuff kicking around....considering that is how she poisoned someone else, I would think she just may have something.
Although her kingdom is no more and I am not sure what she could do at that point with no money.....but with GOT, you just never know.
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There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.

That would rock - Bran struggling to warg into the NK whilst he's just about to kill Jon, distracts him enough to allow Jon to escape the death blow to carry on the fight.

Ooph. That's almost fan fiction.

90 mins for the last episode should give lots of chance for boat sex with Jon and Daenrys.

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Is the question better phrased as:

Is the Night King Bran?
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Is the question better phrased as:

Is the Night King Bran?

Nah. The night king still emotes occasionally.

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Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


That would rock - Bran struggling to warg into the NK whilst he's just about to kill Jon, distracts him enough to allow Jon to escape the death blow to carry on the fight.

Ooph. That's almost fan fiction.

90 mins for the last episode should give lots of chance for boat sex with Jon and Daenrys.

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GrimOopNorth wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


That would rock - Bran struggling to warg into the NK whilst he's just about to kill Jon, distracts him enough to allow Jon to escape the death blow to carry on the fight.

Ooph. That's almost fan fiction.

90 mins for the last episode should give lots of chance for boat sex with Jon and Daenrys.


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Hot auntie-nephew action inbound? Check. ;-)

I think there was a little bit (okay, a lotta bit) of foreshadowing on that front last week, beginning with Dany's observation to Tyrion (I think) that Jon Snow was "too little" for her and then her furious fumbling to explain what she meant by that. LOL!

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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Is it incest? I thought they were cousins. I don't know, I'm not really up on my sexual deviancy definitions of late.

Never mind, Jon looks like he could do with some relief. Last shag he had was four/five seasons ago. He must have balls bigger than King Kong by now

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
Is it incest? I thought they were cousins.

She's his aunt. His dad's little sister, but he's probably older - his birth is noted, her's isn't but she can't be much younger (she wasn't alive when the rebellion ended, but was conceived before as her dad [Jon's grandpa] was executed by Jamie to end it)
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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
Is it incest? I thought they were cousins. I don't know, I'm not really up on my sexual deviancy definitions of late.

Never mind, Jon looks like he could do with some relief. Last shag he had was four/five seasons ago. He must have balls bigger than King Kong by now

Wait! You mean there still are some out there that we haven't completely thrown over the side? ;-)

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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scorpio516 wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Ghost234 wrote:
There is reason to believe that the NK is also a warg or greenseer (like bran). The way he is able to animate things is similar to how Bran warged into summer/Hordor. He may have been spying on the world for quite while - nothing else to do.

There is a good chance the whole thing was an ambush. If you look at the NK and the walkers, they have exactly 3 spears. And where else would they get those chains? It must have been planned.


Maybe the ultimate sacrifice in taking out the Night King is made by Bran next season (it's obvious this season isn't going to resolve the issue of Mr. NK and his army of the dead)? Brandon Stark certainly seems to have a fatalistic air about him now.


That would rock - Bran struggling to warg into the NK whilst he's just about to kill Jon, distracts him enough to allow Jon to escape the death blow to carry on the fight.

Ooph. That's almost fan fiction.

90 mins for the last episode should give lots of chance for boat sex with Jon and Daenrys.


One of the directors confirmed incest incoming

Wonder if she will get naked for it? After her rise to fame on the show she has refused to it again. They will probably use a body double.
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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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I think the last time she did the Mister Skin thing was when she burned all those khals alive at Vaes Dothrak.

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
I think the last time she did the Mister Skin thing was when she burned all those khals alive at Vaes Dothrak.

Great scene

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [Billabong] [ In reply to ]
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Billabong wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
I think the last time she did the Mister Skin thing was when she burned all those khals alive at Vaes Dothrak.


Great scene

It's certainly burned into my memory. ;-)

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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
fulla wrote:
Is the question better phrased as:

Is the Night King Bran?


Nah. The night king still emotes occasionally.

He's definitely a better actor.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Spoiler for finale.




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Re: Game of Thrones speculation thread [Chri55] [ In reply to ]
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Well, that pretty much says it all!

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