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Available to order in december:
https://www.canyon.com/...als/speedmax-cf-slx/
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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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I think I need a cold shower after looking at that :)
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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting it says it's optimized for averaging around 50kph / 30mph since only a small fraction of actual consumers will come close to that.

Seems like they are insinuating they could have made a faster bike for slower people.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I am officially pissed off I bought my speedmax last year. This is the first time I have expressed nothing but love for it, but the new one looks to have so much more.

It must be like finding out the girl you married a couple of years ago has a sister who's a unicorn (hot, fun, smart and not mad) and has always been secretly been keen on you.

You're still happy with your choice, but if you had your time over...

Swim. Overbike. Walk.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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Will guys in the U.S. find out that the love of their life is unobtainable because
she's afraid of traveling across the pond?

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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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Love it!
Two questions:
(1) How's it compare aerodynamically to Cervelo P5 and others?
(2) How much? (a lot I'm sure!)
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
I am officially pissed off I bought my speedmax last year. This is the first time I have expressed nothing but love for it, but the new one looks to have so much more.

It must be like finding out the girl you married a couple of years ago has a sister who's a unicorn (hot, fun, smart and not mad) and has always been secretly been keen on you.

You're still happy with your choice, but if you had your time over...

Do tri forum folks get this reference or does it belong in the Lavender room? Better post your Gartner magic quadrant on this.
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I love it!! It just makes sense to have everything you need integrated into the bike. I dont want to even hear the price as Canyon is usually very proud of their products? and what is really THAT different than the new Plasma? They look very similar.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
I think I need a cold shower after looking at that :)

heart rate is rising..

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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The guys at the Kona Expo said the top of the line all tweaked out option would be around 7K. I asked him two more times to make sure I heard him right. He said by going direct they can get really competitive with their pricing and said they will be in the U.S very soon but couldn't give me a firm timetable. The bike looks awesome in person even more so than how it looks on their website.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [mdgreene] [ In reply to ]
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Here is a link to the Tech Paper https://www.canyon.com/...eedmax_CF_SLX_en.pdf The tech paper has no aero data in it

The integration they have designed is really well thought out. It's a beautiful bike

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Re: New Canyon on their website [mdgreene] [ In reply to ]
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If that price is true, and if they start selling it in the USA... I am buying one.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [fishgo] [ In reply to ]
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fishgo wrote:
GrimOopNorth wrote:
I am officially pissed off I bought my speedmax last year. This is the first time I have expressed nothing but love for it, but the new one looks to have so much more.

It must be like finding out the girl you married a couple of years ago has a sister who's a unicorn (hot, fun, smart and not mad) and has always been secretly been keen on you.

You're still happy with your choice, but if you had your time over...

Do tri forum folks get this reference or does it belong in the Lavender room? Better post your Gartner magic quadrant on this.
Unfortunately my bike is more like the red headed stripper named Tiffany...
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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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That really looks awesome. The integrated storage for pretty much everything (hydration, nutrition, and spares) appears well thought out. Me likey.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
I am officially pissed off I bought my speedmax last year. This is the first time I have expressed nothing but love for it, but the new one looks to have so much more.

It must be like finding out the girl you married a couple of years ago has a sister who's a unicorn (hot, fun, smart and not mad) and has always been secretly been keen on you.

You're still happy with your choice, but if you had your time over...

Hey you still have a great bike and to me the "old" Speedmax CF looks like a more pure TT racer whereas this looks like it has two lunchboxes strapped on. They call it integrated, I call it drag and drop. No real mention of whether the lunchboxes can be removed and how it looks then.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [COJO] [ In reply to ]
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COJO wrote:
I love it!! It just makes sense to have everything you need integrated into the bike. I dont want to even hear the price as Canyon is usually very proud of their products? and what is really THAT different than the new Plasma? They look very similar.

Is this a real post? Canyon is by far one of the most reasonably priced companies when it comes to their bikes and offerings.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, I know. I love my speedmax to bits, and am currently reaffirming my love now it's coming out of it's winter hibernation.

But the cyclist in me whispers new bike.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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Anybody have a size/geometry chart or link?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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my love has switched from a diamond to a canyon! Anyone want to buy a neon yellow SC?

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Re: New Canyon on their website [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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kyle h wrote:
COJO wrote:
I love it!! It just makes sense to have everything you need integrated into the bike. I dont want to even hear the price as Canyon is usually very proud of their products? and what is really THAT different than the new Plasma? They look very similar.


Is this a real post? Canyon is by far one of the most reasonably priced companies when it comes to their bikes and offerings.

Perhaps youre right? Maybe I am combining availability in the U.S. and rarity in the U.S. and assuming an exotic price tag. I love the bike so.....I hope youre right.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
I think I need a cold shower after looking at that :)



Too late.


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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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Surely several months of Frodo prancing around Europe on this machine should have prepared you?

I am trying to save for a house and this machine is very tempting.

'It never gets easier, you just get crazier.'
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Re: New Canyon on their website [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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It's a very pretty "technical paper". But no aero data suggests... something. They even show wind tunnel tests in the document, so their absence is surprising.

'It never gets easier, you just get crazier.'
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Re: New Canyon on their website [spot] [ In reply to ]
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Hold on,

You were saying that you thought that these integrated front ends were "fugly" just a few days ago on the Giant Trinity thread:

spot wrote:
TrekGeek wrote:
Liaman wrote:
A lot of people find them ugly though.


Absolutely ugly!


Agreed, fugly.

Spot
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Re: New Canyon on their website [georged] [ In reply to ]
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georged wrote:
It's a very pretty "technical paper". But no aero data suggests... something. They even show wind tunnel tests in the document, so their absence is surprising.

I wondered about this too.

Looking at the document as a whole, I think that they made a mistake naming it a "technical paper" since there was little in it that was technical - it was more a brochure of sorts. Perhaps something was lost in translation from the original German.
When you consider that there is no empirical information of any sort (geometry, weight, etc.) then the absence of drag data seems less strange.

FWIW, I trust that the new Speedmax will be right up there.
The previous Speedmax has been shown to be up there with a P5 (Tour Magazine), and I would be surprised if this one wasn't faster to some degree.
I'm hesitant to point to the pro splits that have been laid down on it as evidence of its speed and not Frodo/Frommold's form, but they have been some really quick times!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. When you put those bike splits in the context of the rest of their races, they're very impressive.

'It never gets easier, you just get crazier.'
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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lol, I hope you're wife doesn't log on to ST!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Saqeralkhalifa] [ In reply to ]
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Saqeralkhalifa wrote:
lol, I hope you're wife doesn't log on to ST!

A Speedmax can't use a keyboard, so he's safe there!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [pad] [ In reply to ]
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Is it just me or perhaps Frodo is just really that tall.....but that looks like a 650c rear wheel somehow. Surely not?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [PT] [ In reply to ]
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PT wrote:
Is it just me or perhaps Frodo is just really that tall.....but that looks like a 650c rear wheel somehow. Surely not?

He's ~6ft4in.

The bike is UCI legal (surprisingly), so both wheels will be 700C
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
Hold on,

You were saying that you thought that these integrated front ends were "fugly" just a few days ago on the Giant Trinity thread:

spot wrote:
TrekGeek wrote:
Liaman wrote:
A lot of people find them ugly though.


Absolutely ugly!


Agreed, fugly.

Spot

Are you stalking me? I didn't say the integrated front of the giant looked fugly, I was commenting on the overall look of the bike. Just doesn't do it for me. The Canyon looks much better to my eyes. Is that ok with you?

Spot

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Re: New Canyon on their website [spot] [ In reply to ]
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spot wrote:
Liaman wrote:
Hold on,

You were saying that you thought that these integrated front ends were "fugly" just a few days ago on the Giant Trinity thread:

spot wrote:
TrekGeek wrote:
Liaman wrote:
A lot of people find them ugly though.


Absolutely ugly!


Agreed, fugly.

Spot


Are you stalking me? I didn't say the integrated front of the giant looked fugly, I was commenting on the overall look of the bike. Just doesn't do it for me. The Canyon looks much better to my eyes. Is that ok with you?

Spot

Not stalking, no.
Your fugly comment was a reply to a point I made on that thread, a point about how I like the integrated front end hydration trend that we are starting to see (I gave the the Canyon as an example) but that I realise that some people find this trend ugly. That's why I remembered it.

My original comment:
"I think that this style of integrated front end hydration and bento will become the new norm.

You only need to look at the new Canyon, new Cube, and now this Giant to see the trend forming.
Personally I like the look and utility of them, and so am happy with the way things are going. A lot of people find them ugly though."


You're obviously entitled to whatever opinion you want re: bikes or basically anything else, I just found it weird that you were talking about how nice the front end looked just a day or two after proclaiming them fugly.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GrimOopNorth] [ In reply to ]
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GrimOopNorth wrote:
I am officially pissed off I bought my speedmax last year. This is the first time I have expressed nothing but love for it, but the new one looks to have so much more.

It must be like finding out the girl you married a couple of years ago has a sister who's a unicorn (hot, fun, smart and not mad) and has always been secretly been keen on you.

You're still happy with your choice, but if you had your time over...


Please tell me this did not just happen to you haha
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
spot wrote:
Liaman wrote:
Hold on,

You were saying that you thought that these integrated front ends were "fugly" just a few days ago on the Giant Trinity thread:

spot wrote:
TrekGeek wrote:
Liaman wrote:
A lot of people find them ugly though.


Absolutely ugly!


Agreed, fugly.

Spot


Are you stalking me? I didn't say the integrated front of the giant looked fugly, I was commenting on the overall look of the bike. Just doesn't do it for me. The Canyon looks much better to my eyes. Is that ok with you?

Spot


Not stalking, no.
Your fugly comment was a reply to a point I made on that thread, a point about how I like the integrated front end hydration trend that we are starting to see (I gave the the Canyon as an example) but that I realise that some people find this trend ugly. That's why I remembered it.

My original comment:
"I think that this style of integrated front end hydration and bento will become the new norm.

You only need to look at the new Canyon, new Cube, and now this Giant to see the trend forming.
Personally I like the look and utility of them, and so am happy with the way things are going. A lot of people find them ugly though."


You're obviously entitled to whatever opinion you want re: bikes or basically anything else, I just found it weird that you were talking about how nice the front end looked just a day or two after proclaiming them fugly.

Didn't see your original comment, and for the last time, I wasn't commenting on just the front end. Not sure why you keep bringing that up. To me the Giant is just a weird combination of integrated front end with a P3-like curved rear, while the Canyon just seems more put together as a whole.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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BBLOEHR wrote:
my love has switched from a diamond to a canyon! Anyone want to buy a neon yellow SC?

Pics? Size? Year? 7 series or 9 series?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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What type of bottom bracket does the new Canyon use? Is it the Shimano pressfit BB86/92 standard? Just want to know if my Quarq Elsa RS GXP crankset would fit with little to no issue.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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japarker24 wrote:
BBLOEHR wrote:
my love has switched from a diamond to a canyon! Anyone want to buy a neon yellow SC?


Pics? Size? Year? 7 series or 9 series?

My size L 2014 SC Proj One 9-series might be going up for sale soon as well. :-)

Assuming the Canyon ever comes to America.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Mac wrote:
Love it!

Two questions:
(1) How's it compare aerodynamically to Cervelo P5 and others?
(2) How much? (a lot I'm sure!)



2) My guess Di2 with training level wheels, 4799,-

This based on their Aeroad Di2 starting at 3999,- with not a bad spec

https://www.canyon.com/en/road/aeroad/2016/aeroad-cf-slx-7-0-di2.html
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Re: New Canyon on their website [markko] [ In reply to ]
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So all the pics that we have seen of this bike so far have pretty high pedestals for the aerobars. With the integrated storage, it looks good. The pads align with the top of the storage and it l"looks aero".......but it also hides the fact that the storage units are really tall.

While the bike gives me hope that it is a "long & low" bike, i wonder what happens when you don't need that much aerobar stack? Aesthetics aside, it seems like there is gonna be a lot of "stuff" hanging out in the wind.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see it being a problem for 99% of users.

When you consider that there is 5-10cm of height added by the forearms, I think you'd need to have the aerobars mounted under the basebar in order to have the hydration rising significantly above your arms.
If this is the case then most people will be able to mitigate this by riding the frame size down and using a longer stem to keep the reach.

If you look at the picture of Frodo at the top of the homepage, you can see that he's pretty low and he still has a gap between the top of the hydration and the bottom of his arms. He'd have to be about 15-20cm lower at the front end to start experiencing what you're describing.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [japarker24] [ In reply to ]
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check it out on instagram BBLOEHRRRR, radioactive yellow, sc, 9, project one, size large (i am 5'11). Like GMAN hoping we see the canyon come to america. First bike i have seen as integrated as the trek, actually more integrated.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I dunno....it would help if their geos were published....but looking at the pic below and you can see how high the armrests are pedestaled. And looking at this pic, it certainly doesn't look to be a very long bike, either.....*sigh*



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Re: New Canyon on their website [BBLOEHR] [ In reply to ]
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BBLOEHR wrote:
check it out on instagram BBLOEHRRRR, radioactive yellow, sc, 9, project one, size large (i am 5'11). Like GMAN hoping we see the canyon come to america. First bike i have seen as integrated as the trek, actually more integrated.


Not sure if anyone saw it or not. But tririg's post about this bike mentions that Canyon will be selling direct to US customers starting in December.

http://www.tririg.com/galleries.php?id=2015_10_New_Canyon_Speedmax_CF
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Cuban3jumper] [ In reply to ]
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I saw the Tririg post, but couldn't find anything to validate it.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmcawesome wrote:
I saw the Tririg post, but couldn't find anything to validate it.

From what I can see it's something that they have been working on for a bit. But I guess we will have to wait and see if this comes to fruition or not. There definitely isn't a lack of interest state side.
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Thats a such a cool image ... state-of-the-sport right there - its like looking at a new age in ironman racing - with no disrespect to previous champions contendors (they were all awesome) - Frodeno is possibly the most professional looking and meticulously dialed in athletes that ironman has seen.

Marino, Seb, Macca, Lieto, Badmann and that german guy on the trinity looked the business too.
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All black canyon from this article: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/...mp;utm_medium=Social



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Re: New Canyon on their website [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Mac wrote:
How's it compare aerodynamically to Cervelo P5 and others?

I like that they are thinking out of the box with their bike (and their distribution model), but is this really the best they could have done with the shape of its bento? If yes, canyon really needs a bit of help (fyi, we're available).



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Re: New Canyon on their website [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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There's no doubt you know what your doing, but, don't you think the angle on the back side of the bento is intended to matchup with other angles on the bike? I agree that the bento is pretty ugly at first glance, but its starting to grow on me. In fact, I think the beauty of the bike is how all the lines and angles compliment each other. With the aesthetics of it all out of the way, I'd like to know how it tests in the tunnel (it does seem to be testing pretty well on the road). Just my 2 cents...
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There's no doubt you know what your doing, but, don't you think the angle on the back side of the bento is intended to match up with other angles on the bike?

Unfortunately, yes, I do think that that was their intention. An aesthetic goal of some sort.

However, a highly aero bike should not necessarily have angles "complement each other". Instead, the angles need to complement only one thing: the air flow near the item in question, i.e., achieving the lowest drag possible around the item and the system as a whole.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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whoah, is that zipless , waterproof-ish, stretch proof aaaaand semi transparent or just a marketing picture? - I guess transparent from the top is the only interest since a rider can only see the top


it seems like it would be good to have a soft lip vulcanised to one side of the opening so that it would block out rain but still be easy to get into?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [mdgreene] [ In reply to ]
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Hey mdgreene, is the 7K in euros or dollars? Also, I find this price almost too good to be true.. look at the top of the line aeroroad model... 8500 euros. The old speedmax were also in the 8-9k range. Are you 100% sure it was the guys from Canyon that told you this price??
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Re: New Canyon on their website [stetri99] [ In reply to ]
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Top of the line yes, but that is with firestrykes etc... You can still get nice ultegra di2 bike for 3999,-
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Re: New Canyon on their website [markko] [ In reply to ]
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Is the 7K in euros or dollars?? do you think they'll have the option of buying only the frameset?? also (this goes to anyone in the forum as well) how much do you think the sram red etap will cost?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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From the pictures on

http://www.slowtwitch.com/..._bike_pics_5418.html

I see that Jan Frodeno has spacers/pedestals/risers much higher than Boris Stein (well above storage box vs. below, respectively). Frodeno has Zipp Vuka carbon extensions (aerobars), but it seems to me not the Zipp Vuka Risers 50mm, compatible with carbon extensions, see

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._Zipp_Vuka_P4873146/

Does anybody know which risers is he using? He then run faster in Kona than Stein. It might be due to a better biking position!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [orsob] [ In reply to ]
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I was just at the bike motion event in Utrecht (The Netherlands) and spoke to a Canyon employee, he had a price list of the new Speedmax which he showed to me.

The were 5 setup options, unfortunately I don't remember all the setups/prices. The ones I remembered were the most cheap setup for €4299 with a standard wheel set and Ultegra Di2, with a Reynolds wheelset 4799, most expensive version was something 7000-ish

All the setups will come standard with the storage box/drink box on the frame

Thought this might interest you :)
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david222 wrote:
I was just at the bike motion event in Utrecht (The Netherlands) and spoke to a Canyon employee, he had a price list of the new Speedmax which he showed to me.

The were 5 setup options, unfortunately I don't remember all the setups/prices. The ones I remembered were the most cheap setup for €4299 with a standard weel set and Ultegra Di2, with a Reynolds weelset 4799, most expensive version was something 7000-ish

All the setups will come standard with the storage box/drink box on the frame

Thought this might interest you :)

That's roughly $4900 - $8000 USD given the current exchange rate.

Do you recall if the frame was the same for each bike? Same quality level of the carbon and all that.

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are one of those setup options equipped with Sram red etap??
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Re: New Canyon on their website [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
david222 wrote:
I was just at the bike motion event in Utrecht (The Netherlands) and spoke to a Canyon employee, he had a price list of the new Speedmax which he showed to me.

The were 5 setup options, unfortunately I don't remember all the setups/prices. The ones I remembered were the most cheap setup for €4299 with a standard weel set and Ultegra Di2, with a Reynolds weelset 4799, most expensive version was something 7000-ish

All the setups will come standard with the storage box/drink box on the frame

Thought this might interest you :)


That's roughly $4900 - $8000 USD given the current exchange rate.

Do you recall if the frame was the same for each bike? Same quality level of the carbon and all that.

No unfortunately I don't know that. I only had a short talk with the guy
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Re: New Canyon on their website [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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The hydration bottle does come off (at least in the prototype Frodo had in Frankfurt)

http://www.slowtwitch.com/..._Frankfurt_5182.html
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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Hi david222, thank you for your reply. Did they say if they're selling the frame only?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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gonna cancel my IA order. my new ride will be a Canyon! amazing bike

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Re: New Canyon on their website [orsob] [ In reply to ]
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Does anybody know which risers is he using? He then run faster in Kona than Stein. It might be due to a better biking position!


I think the fact that he is Jan Snowsill Frodeno has a lot to do with the fact that he ran faster than Boris Stein. Maybe his position helped not hinder his talent.
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Hi david222, thank you for your reply. Did they say if they're selling the frame only?

The price list I saw didn't offer that option but I didn't ask so not sure..
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Hi david222, thank you for your reply. Did they say if they're selling the frame only?

Hi, I've purchased few bikes from them and also been following them for quite some time, but I have never seen them offer a frame set. So my guess would be no.

However, typically the deals are good enough that it might make sense to buy the cheapest option bike and sell the extra stuff (or your old stuff).
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They always had framesets on their page. Not necessarily of every model, but last time I checked they had Aeroad, Ultimate, Ultimate AL and MTB framesets for sale. Although, the base model is always so ridiculously priced that I'd rather buy the complete bike and sell the parts for profit...

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Anybody seen geometry for this?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [proftri] [ In reply to ]
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Tririg reported a 79deg seat tube angle, but that's it.
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Does somebody know anything about the first price? 4299 is the first price?
So...the new felt IA 14 would be cheapest than it'

I´m going to buy a tt bike and i´m thinking between IA 14 vs P2 vs new Giant...but this speedmax is amazing and i love it, the problem is the price...
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Does anybody remember what was the cheapest price of the previous model?
I am pretty sure it lower than 4299E...
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I've three canyons; a strive, Speedmax and Ultimate and the speedmax and ultimate have historically been offered as frame only as I bought the speedmax as a frame only and built a budget TT bike
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perhaps... 3900€? or something similar
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I've three canyons; a strive, Speedmax and Ultimate and the speedmax and ultimate have historically been offered as frame only as I bought the speedmax as a frame only and built a budget TT bike

Ok, I am obviously wrong then, just has never caught my eye.
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Any updates on Canyon coming to North America?

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I'm not really sure how it works, or how they determine when its available as none of the 16 bikes are up now and I've been told they will be in Dec - I'd expect them all to sell out faster than glastonbury
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what do you mean by 16 bikes?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [stetri99] [ In reply to ]
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2016 model year bikes - if you go to tri then follow link to model finder no tri bikes are currently listed - they said they'd be available to order in Dec
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any updates on prices?
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any updates on prices?

It's driving me crazy too. If there's an Ultegra version of this bike at $4,999, I'm all in.

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The only thing I've seen was on the Speedmax review on Tririg. Nick said that a Canyon person told him North America in December. Since then I haven't heard a peep. I've directly contacted Canyon about this and they denied that it would happen. Which, of course, is totally expected.

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Why is there no U.S. distribution? Why isn't the geometry published? Canyon should seize the moment and sell some bikes!

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canyon - and this is not a complaint as I have 3, routinely have problems meeting demand, so you can wait weeks for orders. selling in to the US is likely to compound that issue further meaning more people waiting for more bikes in more places

There have been discussions about the legal issues and compliance for distribution in US I'm not sure if there are issues but I'd be interested to know how they'd set it up as my understanding is that they assemble their bikes and distribute from Germany. I've friends in Qatar and Dubai who've bought them and whilst they've not paid VAT they pay shipping which basically completely offsets VAT and there are no import duties its good value.

In the US you'd have to pay import duty on bike plus shipping then clearance fee's which would not be cheap.
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If they were really on it they would have launched the day of/after Kona given how well Frodo did.
Jamie
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exactly. I can already see the bike selling out in December.. they always do when it comes to Canyon
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Now that the new facility is up and running in Koblenz maybe shipping delays will be better. However, I've been following them on FB and there are a LOT of comments complaining about extremely slow, open ended delivery. That's kind of soured my on the whole thing.
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You must know a lot about bike production
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If they were really on it they would have launched the day of/after Kona given how well Frodo did.
Jamie

This has been modus operandi for Canyon for a lot of years and they still sell a ton of bikes whilst increasing prices every year.
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edit - I thought your response was directed at me - it wasn't, so this isn't in reply to your post but more a general observation

Canyon appear to have a model where they provide well specified bikes at a reasonable cost and they do not appear to be able to keep up with demand

Exporting those bikes outside the EU to countries with VAT / duty costs to be added will make it harder for them to be competitive - as well FX rates

Exporting to additional markets - unless there has been a significant change in their existing model and capacity is likely to further worsen delays for existing markets

Its difficult to manage, the US market has to be ridiculously attractive but there has to be a significant risk with entering it if they cant meet the needs of their existing market
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I agree with your post (although I do think Canyon is coming to the US, they're already going to Australia I think and besides, why else sponsor Kona this year?) but I think you have to separate duty and VAT, because you still pay VAT for intra-EU orders.
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Not a fucking thing
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you're correct but duty rates are different on components than finished items - so if components are brought in and assembled and shipped out again the import duties at the second end can be different - I don't know about duties on bikes

Canyons model at the open is to send by courier in europe and to ME - I don't know how cost effective that is to the US and I have no idea how they do it in Oz
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canyon - and this is not a complaint as I have 3, routinely have problems meeting demand, so you can wait weeks for orders. selling in to the US is likely to compound that issue further meaning more people waiting for more bikes in more places.

Thank you for that explanation. Interesting they so active with sponsorship of athletes and events while they have supply side constraints. Woudn't those dollars would be better spent on production? I'm not throwing stones, just scratching my head on the business model.

Scott
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they should make a lottery for one or two speedmax models, just for fun.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [JamieJ] [ In reply to ]
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So why don't you explain it to us?
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COJO wrote:
kyle h wrote:
COJO wrote:
I love it!! It just makes sense to have everything you need integrated into the bike. I dont want to even hear the price as Canyon is usually very proud of their products? and what is really THAT different than the new Plasma? They look very similar.


Is this a real post? Canyon is by far one of the most reasonably priced companies when it comes to their bikes and offerings.


Perhaps youre right? Maybe I am combining availability in the U.S. and rarity in the U.S. and assuming an exotic price tag. I love the bike so.....I hope youre right.
Your post couldn't have been much further off the mark!
Canyon bikes are fantastic value for money compared to any other brand.
The only negatives are that you may not get the opportunity to see one in person before buying and may have a bit of a wait depending on what you're after.
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are waiting times long in Europe as well? I live in Brazil, but I have a friend living in Germany, and my cousin lives in the UK. I will buy the bike, and I do prefer to send it to my cousin in the UK, will I have to wait longer?
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triguy119,

I also live in Brazil and bought a Canyon MTB and had it delivered to my hotel in Portugal.
After payment, it was delivered after 2 weeks.
Just an advice: just buy if it is on immediate deliver
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Exporting those bikes outside the EU to countries with VAT / duty costs to be added will make it harder for them to be competitive - as well FX rates

The FX rates (Eurodollar close to a 5Y low) should be helping them being competitive in North America. Imports of raw materials are a little more expensive, but labour is relatively cheap in USD terms and gross margin should be relatively good.

I don't see how the VAT/duty would impact the competitiveness - the prices for delivery to Germany include German VAT that would be removed before you add US taxes. You only pay VAT once and the relative mark-up should be similar for Canyon/Trek/Cervelo etc. (I assume there are no anti-dumping taxes on bikes imported from Germany).

Canyon bikes sold into the UK are significantly (>10% for the models I checked) more expensive than those sold into Germany though. Possibly a cushion against adverse fx movements in the future, I doubt they will want large fluctuations in retail prices when and if the Euro appreciates again. I would expect to see something similar when prices for US distribution are announced.
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The only thing I've seen was on the Speedmax review on Tririg. Nick said that a Canyon person told him North America in December. Since then I haven't heard a peep. I've directly contacted Canyon about this and they denied that it would happen. Which, of course, is totally expected.

Jamie
I recently got a followup from Canyon that a USA launch would be later than I was originally told. It's definitely coming, but expect some time in 2016.

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Any update on this? The website has nothing new.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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That website demands tenacity and creates frustration. I poked around a bit and found the geometry for the Speedmax CF. The images suggest that the bike detailed is not the bike that Frodo flew through the lava. It's on page 12 of the shaded brochures "bikes 2015" . The bike comes in 3 t-shirt sizes: S, M, and L.
The small has a stack of 499mm and reach of 410mm
The med has a stack of 519mm and reach of 432mm
The Lg has a stack of 539mm and reach of 437mm

Those number look to me like legit, top-of-head tube stack and reach but this bike doesn't really have a head tube so in this case we'd typically refer to "pad stack" and "pad reach" like a P5six or Speed Concept, etc. but Canyon doesn't seem to be speaking the same language. Pages 17-20 of the manual addresses the front end adjustments: stem spacers, arm pad pedestal (in addition to building the bike). I guess if a less than mechanically inclined buyer got stuck their LBS would be happy to help.


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do you guys think the speedmax will be part of Canyon's 12 day sale?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [triguy119] [ In reply to ]
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I personally doubt it as their Speedmax was on their factory sales for a long time - I suspect they used up all the remaining stocks. But I may completely wrong - this is purely speculative at this point.
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I don't recall bikes being part of the 12 day sales in previous years, I think it's been accessories only. I bought my speed Max, strive and ultimate on their clearance pages. You just need to keep an eye on them
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That website demands tenacity and creates frustration. I poked around a bit and found the geometry for the Speedmax CF. The images suggest that the bike detailed is not the bike that Frodo flew through the lava. It's on page 12 of the shaded brochures "bikes 2015" . The bike comes in 3 t-shirt sizes: S, M, and L.
The small has a stack of 499mm and reach of 410mm
The med has a stack of 519mm and reach of 432mm
The Lg has a stack of 539mm and reach of 437mm

Those number look to me like legit, top-of-head tube stack and reach but this bike doesn't really have a head tube so in this case we'd typically refer to "pad stack" and "pad reach" like a P5six or Speed Concept, etc. but Canyon doesn't seem to be speaking the same language. Pages 17-20 of the manual addresses the front end adjustments: stem spacers, arm pad pedestal (in addition to building the bike). I guess if a less than mechanically inclined buyer got stuck their LBS would be happy to help.


Ian


Well crap. I'm really wanting that bike, but only will order if I can be sure about the pad reach. I'm at the very far end of the specs and have to make sure it fits before I can commit. Will greatly appreciate the community figuring it out for sure when this thing hits the market.

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That website demands tenacity and creates frustration. I poked around a bit and found the geometry for the Speedmax CF.
Here's the full Speedmax CF Tri 2013 fit guide. Presumably there'll be a new doc for the Speedmax CF SLX once it's available to order.
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How do I know if the speedmax fits me?
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How do I know if the speedmax fits me?

Bust out a tape measure and find a bike that already fits you. Measure it and then get the Canyon that has those same measurements.

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triguy119 wrote:
How do I know if the speedmax fits me?


Bust out a tape measure and find a bike that already fits you. Measure it and then get the Canyon that has those same measurements.


Yep. The Trek SC Fit Guide has a good visualization of how to measure pad stack and reach.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...C_FitGuide_final.pdf

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"How do I know if the speedmax fits me? "

I urge you to find a professional bike fitter who has a dynamic fit bike (you can see a list on this very website - see "fitters" on homepage, right side) and get prefit done. Let the fitter take note of your stack and reach and with him/her shop the internet for several bikes that will work for you. Canyon may or many not be one of them.

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still nothing... goddamn it canyon
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Re: New Canyon on their website [triguy119] [ In reply to ]
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I know. Waiting with credit card in hand for the new bike to go on sale.
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I'd like some news on US distribution.

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I was told in Kona that that bike would not be coming to Canada until 2017…of course the U.S. and Canada are different. But if you are going through the effort to get distribution in the U.S. then increasing that market by 10-15% by including Canada shouldn't be a big deal.

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I figure if that's the case I'd just get the bike shipped to border mailbox place and go pick it up (assuming the price was insane).
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More of a point that if it isn't coming to Canada by 2017…then maybe it won't be coming to NA by 2017. If it was coming soon then you would think that they would have a bit more of strategy/presence. In terms of a U.S. PO box…yes a good play I am in the interior of B.C. …lots of people have a box at Point Roberts.

The issue, which I can't figure out…with the largest undefended border in the world and a free trade agreement going on 40 years, why I have to pay a shit tonne of extras when getting stuff from say competitive cyclist or PX in Oregon, basically it is easier, faster and cheeper to go with some of the UK sights. (I know UPS/Fedex/DHL are the source of a lot of problems vs USPS)

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I urge you to find a professional bike fitter who has a dynamic fit bike (


Or you could find someone who understands fit and has a tape measure.
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Last week i asked to Canyon Spain, becouse they told that in Spain we could find it in the website in December but nothing, on Friday they told me that in middle of January but I don't believe in them, i think that they will put on website more or less at the beguining of the summer but the customer service and post-selling service of Canyon is horrible...so I´m going to buy a specialized shiv.
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I just had a chat with an employee through the chat on their website and that employee told me that the launch is postponed to the middle of January. Very disappointing.
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so frustrating....what could explain this delay? I can figure out for US but for Europe...?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Mat-USA] [ In reply to ]
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Mat-USA wrote:
so frustrating....what could explain this delay? I can figure out for US but for Europe...?

He told me that there is to much uncertainty about the delivery of parts of their partners (SRAM Wiereless group etc) so they decided to postpone
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Canyon had difficulties with the Ultimate SLX in 2013 when they started selling it at the end of 2012 but couldn't fill many of those orders until mid 2013. IIRC that was due to a minor modification to the frame layup to address an issue discovered late in testing. They got a lot of criticism on forums over that. Perhaps that experience has made them reluctant to put new products on their site before they know they can deliver on time.
My experience with Canyon on my purchase in 2014 was nothing but good. I had a minor issue requiring customer service and they were very responsive. Having said that, I have been a bit frustrated with the lack of info for the new Speedmax and the confusing state of their current website. I don't think the Speedmax will suit me (geometry is a little too low and price probably a little too high) but it would have been good to know enough to make a more educated decision. As it is I've gone elsewhere this time.
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what do you think retail price will be for a full bike with electronic shifting?

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This is the information I got from Canyon:
- Speedmax CF, about 2000 eur for the cheapest model.
- Speedmax CF SLX (electronic only), about 4500 eur for the cheapest model
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If it is so difficult to buy these bikes in the first place, what happens when you need a spare part, etc.??
I've needed help/parts for my Trek SC in the past, and was pleasantly surprised when it was easy to get both from my local dealer...

I'm jonesing for a new bike, but waiting to see what the big players come out with over the next year. Guessing if you are patient, most of the bikes will be coming out with the better integration, etc.
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If it is so difficult to buy these bikes in the first place, what happens when you need a spare part, etc.?? .

Here's my experience with Canyon service:
My headset bearings were toast at the end of this season. I was not happy when I found out that ordering them from the manufacturer Arcos was gonna set me back 70€.
Sent an e-mail to Canyon asking if there was any other source for the parts.
Immediately got a response apologizing for the issues and asking for my address, so that they could send replacement bearings to me for free.

In my book that's pretty good service, especially considering that this is a wearing part on a 2011-bike which I am not even the first owner of!

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If it is so difficult to buy these bikes in the first place, what happens when you need a spare part, etc.??...
It's only difficult to buy these bikes because said bikes are not on sale yet!
Have you typically had success buying products that had yet to be released?
Having said that, there may be some minor inconvenience sourcing spares if you buy your bike direct from the manufacturer but it's unlikely to be a big issue and may never come up. I've NEVER heard a Canyon owner cite this as a reason they would not get another. IMO buying a bike from Canyon was one of the best decisions I've made in cycling. Zero difficulty with the purchase, delivery, getting a part swapped, etc.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Ai_1] [ In reply to ]
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So what would make one choose the Canyon over the Scott Plasma?
Looks like maybe the Canyon has a little more storage?
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Canyon tend to have a big edge on spec for the price. Also I don't have the geometry for the two in front of me but I suspect they'll differ.
I haven't done a comparison of the two for storage.
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Official info from Canyon on twitter is now that the launch has been postponed until end of January :-(

https://twitter.com/canyon_bikes/status/676684506645032960
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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"its postponed till the end of january" canyon wrote on twitter. Why are they so lousy with customer service and delivery dates??
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Re: New Canyon on their website [triguy119] [ In reply to ]
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Customer service feedback is generally pretty good with the exception of late deliveries on some models in the past. My customer service experience was certainly fine.
As I mentioned previously, if they are struggling to have this bike ready, their previous problems meeting delivery dates may be the reason they haven't put the bike on sale on their site yet. Better not to put it on sale, than to take orders you can't fill surely?
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Official info from Canyon on twitter is now that the launch has been postponed until end of January :-(

And just few days ago they were telling this month. I dont understand why companies do that, they must know better and why not tell what the problem is? There is a point after which being open is just better policy, I believe.

Shame, after such delays, end of Jan with some pent up demand and potential further problems, seems like the old P2 will do another season. On the plus side, it is kind of cool I get to ride Kona with a bike I paid 1000,- for three years ago.
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Sounds like getting Canyon to the USA isn't something that will be happening anytime soon.

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Agreed. I was targeting picking one up for next season but scrapped that idea. Plus all of the CS commentary on social media is concerning, to say the least.
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Is the CS commentary that you've seen centred on delivery times for undersupplied bikes? Aside from that I've heard few complaints and many compliments. My own experience was certainly very acceptable.
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And just few days ago they were telling this month. I dont understand why companies do that, they must know better and why not tell what the problem is? There is a point after which being open is just better policy, I believe.

Because of idiots like me waffling between bikes. I want a Di2 bike, and like 3 different bikes, one of them being the new Canyon. But if I know it's months away from release (for whatever reason) I'll just forget about it and look for a deal on one of the other 2 bikes I like. This way they string me along from month to month waiting for the release while they get their shit together.
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markko wrote:
And just few days ago they were telling this month. I dont understand why companies do that, they must know better and why not tell what the problem is? There is a point after which being open is just better policy, I believe.


Because of idiots like me waffling between bikes. I want a Di2 bike, and like 3 different bikes, one of them being the new Canyon. But if I know it's months away from release (for whatever reason) I'll just forget about it and look for a deal on one of the other 2 bikes I like. This way they string me along from month to month waiting for the release while they get their shit together.
And it works too!
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And just few days ago they were telling this month. I dont understand why companies do that, they must know better and why not tell what the problem is? There is a point after which being open is just better policy, I believe.


Because of idiots like me waffling between bikes. I want a Di2 bike, and like 3 different bikes, one of them being the new Canyon. But if I know it's months away from release (for whatever reason) I'll just forget about it and look for a deal on one of the other 2 bikes I like. This way they string me along from month to month waiting for the release while they get their shit together.

I want to get a new bike with electronic shifting too, but this lack of info has me giving up and looking other places. Not knowing at all is worse than knowing it'll be X weeks or whatever. That has me checking out the Culprit, Trek, and others instead.

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Technically, it's a paper. (PDF)

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Re: New Canyon on their website [tommyi] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone been able to get any news from Canyon lately? There still seems to be a huge s***storm going on on social media platforms which isn't too reassuring for potential buyers... ;)
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Has anyone been able to get any news from Canyon lately? There still seems to be a huge s***storm going on on social media platforms which isn't too reassuring for potential buyers... ;)

Curious where this "storm" is? Looked around and could only find a few people complaining on facebook. Maybe I'm missing something.
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pascalguillet wrote:
Has anyone been able to get any news from Canyon lately? There still seems to be a huge s***storm going on on social media platforms which isn't too reassuring for potential buyers... ;)

What's going on with their social media?
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Mainly fb, but also twitter. Every customer message on fb seems to be negative, and if you check posts from canyon on their fb in the last weeks, you always find people whining in the comments.

(BTW: I own two canyon bikes and love them, no complaints from me so far expect that I'm getting nervous about in time availability of my next season tri-bike...)
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Re: New Canyon on their website [pascal_ch] [ In reply to ]
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Given that they couldn't even complete an order of two tyres correctly and sent one and haven't even sent the 2nd inside a month I certainly would not trust them to manage to get a complex new bike out without a lot of hassle
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Now looking at "available to order in February" on the Canyon website.

I've been waiting to pull the trigger on one of these but if its only available to oirder in February, plus say a month's lead time for delivery, that is cutting it fine in terms of getting ready for the coming tri season.

Not very pleased to say the least
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Re: New Canyon on their website [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously. This is lame. And you can't get a new BMC with electronic shifting either. This is turning into a real tri bike drought.

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I've had three bikes from them with never a problem. I did however order a dropout during their IT switch and subsequently received an email where they - i'm paraphrasing - lost track of orders and didn't know whats going on.

Out of a dozen orders with them, this is the only problem I've had - it was clearly more complex than they anticipated but I imagine that they will sort it out and it will in due course be business as usual for them
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Re: New Canyon on their website [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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Where do you see this? With me it still says "Available to order soon"


dah5609 wrote:
Now looking at "available to order in February" on the Canyon website.

I've been waiting to pull the trigger on one of these but if its only available to oirder in February, plus say a month's lead time for delivery, that is cutting it fine in terms of getting ready for the coming tri season.

Not very pleased to say the least
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Re: New Canyon on their website [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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There's a piece on road.cc with commentary from Canyon about their fulfilment issues. Looks like a perfect storm of new software, bad migration to that software, and a change in manufacturing partners.

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From the main Canyon web page click on "triathlon" tab. I see a pic of the new bike and "Available to order from February"

I'm viewing the website from the UK where I'm based
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mongooseman wrote:
There's a piece on road.cc with commentary from Canyon about their fulfilment issues. Looks like a perfect storm of new software, bad migration to that software, and a change in manufacturing partners.

Here is the link for those interested:

http://road.cc/...ism-over-late-orders

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Re: New Canyon on their website [joelcox] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. The business systems lesson here is don't change too many things at once. Just like a bike fit, change one thing at a time. Otherwise, the cascading failures become so complex, nobody knows where the real problem is anymore and people start getting fired. Oof.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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Updated info now on their site...

The new Speedmax CF SLX, as well as all the various equipment options, will be available to order from the beginning of February, 2016. We will begin assembly in April, with delivery dates beginning in the same month.

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Updated info now on their site...

The new Speedmax CF SLX, as well as all the various equipment options, will be available to order from the beginning of February, 2016. We will begin assembly in April, with delivery dates beginning in the same month.

I had hoped they would have released the different models and pricing by now. It's a bummer they keep moving the shipping date, but I can understand that these issues pop up when opening up a new manufacturing line. That doesn't prevent them from releasing pricing, though.

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Is there any way to get this bike if you're in Canada or the US?
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New info on their website..

The new Speedmax CF SLX, as well as all the various equipment options, will be available to order from the beginning of March, 2016. We will begin assembly in April, with delivery dates beginning in the same month.



ZenTriBrett wrote:
Updated info now on their site...

The new Speedmax CF SLX, as well as all the various equipment options, will be available to order from the beginning of February, 2016. We will begin assembly in April, with delivery dates beginning in the same month.
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Un-freakin-believable
From December to January to February to March now. Why is it so difficult to at least put some prices on the website?
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Un-freakin-believable
From December to January to February to March now. Why is it so difficult to at least put some prices on the website?

This is all very standard in dealing with Canyon. Even if the bikes will be up in March, chances are it will be a lot more months before they start shipping. Same story with the introduction of other new models. Some people who have ordered in November have delivery dates in May or later. Sure some ppl get their bikes on time, but it's no guarantee. And the reason is not their new factory or new software, they were pulling these shenanigans before all of that already.
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I really want this bike but the constant delays are rather unsettling. Surely they have settled on prices and builds already. We might be waiting for no reason if they are too expensive. At least give us that.

I was ready to click buy in December....then January....the February.... and then this morning when I went onto their site and saw they had sneakily changed the month to March I was beyond annoyed.

You have to wonder if anyone will even get to race the new Speedmax this season, at the moment I am thinking not.
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FFS they are really taking the piss now

I've been waiting to buy since November ready for the new season. I've got a Canyon road bike which was delivered in 4 weeks from time of ordering and have been really happy with it.

Fuck them if they can't even put a price out there and geometry specs I'm going to get something else, thinking Felt
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A fit chart, price, and spec sheet sure would make the wait more tolerable. Not having those makes people look elsewhere. Why wait when you don't even know what you're waiting for

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I really want this bike but the constant delays are rather unsettling. Surely they have settled on prices and builds already. We might be waiting for no reason if they are too expensive. At least give us that.

I was ready to click buy in December....then January....the February.... and then this morning when I went onto their site and saw they had sneakily changed the month to March I was beyond annoyed.

You have to wonder if anyone will even get to race the new Speedmax this season, at the moment I am thinking not.

Part of me thinks they're working out pricing in SRAM eTap equiped bikes. But probably its just Canyon being Canyon.
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Indeed. If you're going to wait until May or even June, why not wait for the new Cervelo - which will arrive whenever they say it will.

Edit:
This probably isn't a representative sample, but it does seem like a large number of customers are upset by the delays and their difficulties in accessing customer service:
https://twitter.com/Canyon_Delays

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Indeed. If you're going to wait until May or even June, why not wait for the new Cervelo - which will arrive whenever they say it will.

Edit:
This probably isn't a representative sample, but it does seem like a large number of customers are upset by the delays and their difficulties in accessing customer service:
https://twitter.com/Canyon_Delays

I seem to remember a lot of initial delays on the delivery of the P5 and P4 when they were announced, so that might not be as true as you think
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I reached out to Canyon on Twitter asking for this information. Hopefully some more info coming today. Fingers crossed.

https://twitter.com/...s/692398398016733189

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georged wrote:
Indeed. If you're going to wait until May or even June, why not wait for the new Cervelo - which will arrive whenever they say it will.

I put an order in for the then just announced P5 around February 1st, 2012. I got it in late March... 2013.

It seems to be quite normal in the bike world unfortunately. If I was waiting for the new Canyon I wouldn't hold my breath for racing it anytime in the first half of the year. You might be lucky, but you might not. One thing is they start shipping the bikes come March/April, but will they also ship in your size? In your configuration? Not releasing any fit data is pretty unprofessional, though - unless they are still changing parts that influence this, in which case they are not likely to have anything in the customer's hands within the next few months.

I'm personally waiting for the announcement of the P6 that should come in about a month. But even if I put an order in right away I'm not holding much hope I will be able to race on it this season. I'll continue racing on my P5 and the P6 will come whenever it comes.
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Just got this email from Canyon. It is in Dutch but don't have time to translate now, think you will get it :)

The information below you can also find in this link: https://media.canyon.com/...rodFlyer_2016_UK.pdf


Bedankt voor je bericht.

De levering van de Speedmax is inderdaad weer uitgesteld naar aanleiding van de problemen die we hebben gehad nadat de overstap is gemaakt naar een andere IT structuur. De uitgestelde lancering heeft echter geen invloed op de levertermijn van de eerste productiebatch. De verwachting is dat deze in april wordt geleverd.

Op dit moment zijn de prijzen nog niet bekend, maar de volgende uitvoeringen van de Speedmax zijn vanaf maart bestelbaar:

  • Speedmax CF SLX 8.0
- Shimano Ultegra Di2, 11s
- DT SWISS R32 Spline
- Canyon H26 CF Basebar Flat
- Fizik Arizone K5 (zadel)

  • Speedmax CF SLX 9.0
- Shimano Ultegra Di2, 11s
- Reynolds Strike Carbon Cilinder
- Canyon H26 CF Basebar Flat
- Fizik Arizone K5 (zadel)

  • Speedmax CF SLX 9.0 PRO
- Shimano Dura-Ace Di2, 11s
- Reynolds 72/90 Aero Carbon Cilinder
- Canyon H26 CF Basebar Flat
- Fizik Arizone K5 (zadel)

  • Speedmax SLX 9.0 SL
- Shimano Ultegra DI2, 11s Dura-Ace Di2,11s
- Zipp 404/808 Carbon Clincher
- Canyon H26 CF Basebar Flat
- Fizik Arizone K3 (zadel)

  • Speedmax SLX 9.0 LTD
- Shimano Dura-Ace Di2,11s
- Zipp 808 Carbon Clincher
- Canyon H26 CF Basebar Flat
- Fizik Arizone K3 (zadel)

Nadat je een bestelling hebt geplaatst voor deze bike nemen we contact met je op zodat jouw bike in de fabriek geheel naar je lichaamsmaten wordt geassembleerd.

Hartelijke groet,

Het Canyon Bicycles Team
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Did someone check Canyon site ? Says available for order in March now ...
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No stack and reach chart, no buy! (Prices would help, too. Just sayin'.)

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Granted I'm a newb to the sport, but I'd rather finish 2 minutes later perched on one of these than 2 minutes faster perched on a Shiv or 4 minutes faster perched on a p5. It's beautiful. I feel like I'd hang that on my wall when not riding it. Any updates on when canyon is entering into USA distribution? I heard December 2015 but then got pushed back, but they also talked about like it was a done deal back in 2011 and that didn't happen. I'm in the market but only willing to hold out for so long...
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Should coincide with the release of that bike. Should.

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How can they still not have a pricing structure? That doesn't make me hopeful of a March order date being realistic
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Just got a fresh copy of the Dutch triathlon union's magazine with a one-page ad for the Speedmax, "available now".

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Well here we are in March and still fuck all on Canyon's wesite other than "available to order in March"
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dah5609 wrote:
Well here we are in March and still fuck all on Canyon's wesite other than "available to order in March"

I got a message from Canyon on Facebook today and they sayd "Keep a very good eye on our website today, that's all we can say for now"
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dah5609 wrote:
Well here we are in March and still fuck all on Canyon's wesite other than "available to order in March"

They didn't specify the year tho... here you go: "available to order in March 2018".
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Nice one !!!
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Re: New Canyon on their website [dah5609] [ In reply to ]
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The bike is on the site and ready to order. Shipping says start of May.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [ilanias] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, there it is. A bit surprised by the pricing (starting at 5500E compared to Aeroad at 3300 or 4000 with Di2). I think I'll stick with my old P2c for now....
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Yep, there it is. A bit surprised by the pricing (starting at 5500E compared to Aeroad at 3300 or 4000 with Di2). I think I'll stick with my old P2c for now....

Not very surprised. Imagine they will still sell briskly.
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I wonder what happened to the integrated seatpost hydration storage?

Also, the designer who decided that green was going to be the only non b&w colour option needs their head examining
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markko wrote:
Yep, there it is. A bit surprised by the pricing (starting at 5500E compared to Aeroad at 3300 or 4000 with Di2). I think I'll stick with my old P2c for now....


Not very surprised. Imagine they will still sell briskly.

Sure, I guess I am just cheap and was secretly hoping they would make an offer I could not have refused. This one I believe I can.
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Sure, I guess I am just cheap and was secretly hoping they would make an offer I could not have refused. This one I believe I can.

£3.5k for the base model is pretty reasonable IMO
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The previous year model was 4199E or 4299E, I can't remember exactly. Now we have it at 5499E. Can someone explain from where the cost difference comes from?
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The previous year model was 4199E or 4299E, I can't remember exactly. Now we have it at 5499E. Can someone explain from where the cost difference comes from?

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Re: New Canyon on their website [ilanias] [ In reply to ]
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Just deciding which is best value. SLX8.0 at GBP3600 and then get some new Flo wheels for $1000 seems to work out better value than going for the SLX 9.0 Pro at GBP4900 which is the cheapest model with deepest rims. OK, the 9.0 Pro has DA as opposed to Ultegra on the 8.0 but other than that (and wheels) is exactly the same spec.
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Deathwish86 wrote:
The previous year model was 4199E or 4299E, I can't remember exactly. Now we have it at 5499E. Can someone explain from where the cost difference comes from?


Winning Kona?

This raises an interesting question.
By how much, in monetary terms, does a Kona win increase the perceived value and of a bike?
Obviously for some potential customers it will be zero and for others massive, but as an average? $100? more?

I'm confident that there would have been an increase in price even if Frodo had flopped in October, but would the price have been the same if he hadn't won?
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Liaman wrote:
Dan Funk wrote:
Deathwish86 wrote:
The previous year model was 4199E or 4299E, I can't remember exactly. Now we have it at 5499E. Can someone explain from where the cost difference comes from?


Winning Kona?


This raises an interesting question.
By how much, in monetary terms, does a Kona win increase the perceived value and of a bike?
Obviously for some potential customers it will be zero and for others massive, but as an average? $100? more?

I'm confident that there would have been an increase in price even if Frodo had flopped in October, but would the price have been the same if he hadn't won?

I'm pretty sure there was a decent price increase from the Trek Equinox to the Speed Concept (previous high end tri bike to new high end tri bike). I think the top of the line SC was over $2,000 more than the top of the line Equinox TTX. Probably the same from the Transition to the Shiv in Specialized's lineup. The new Speedmax is a very different bike from its predecessor. They just kept the name as opposed to some other companies.

So a price jump was inevitable regardless of what Frodo did in Kona.

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Hi GMAN,

Yeah, I feel that you're pointing out a similar thing to what I did re: new models being more expensive after a Kona win on the old model.

I'm talking about more of a "Sliding Doors" type scenario.
What would the Speed Concept/Shiv/Speedmax SLX been initially priced at if they hadn't been buoyed by the Kona win of the previous model? How much less?
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Looks like the fit chart shows stack and reach numbers flipped. (J & K) Anybody know which is correct?

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Liaman wrote:
Hi GMAN,

Yeah, I feel that you're pointing out a similar thing to what I did re: new models being more expensive after a Kona win on the old model.

I'm talking about more of a "Sliding Doors" type scenario.
What would the Speed Concept/Shiv/Speedmax SLX been initially priced at if they hadn't been buoyed by the Kona win of the previous model? How much less?
I

Probably too many factors to pinpoint the value on Kona win. Of course, one would be fooling him/herself to discount the win completely. It's been proven that a Kona win can make a bike (re: Stadler/Kuota).

Of course, lots of different ways to strategize on pricing. Consider simply a Cost Plus. I'm sure like any other company pricing a product they have to look at COGS, Plus development costs, plus what competition/market is doing, plus how pricing relates to their current position (and maybe position they want to move to), plus the very intangible "brand" value. Canyon's brand certainly has been on an upswing (before Frodo's win...but that had to have helped majorly). Throw in scarcity and demand... you have some pricing power.

Are these prices too big a jump? Not enough? The market will surely decide.
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ZenTriBrett wrote:
Looks like the fit chart shows stack and reach numbers flipped. (J & K) Anybody know which is correct?

Looks right to me currently. The stack numbers definitely go lower than any other offering I can think of, which is a good thing in my book. A pretty wide range of adjustment, although looks to me like a bike that won't fit either very large or very small riders.

Interesting spec, they include C02, a spare tube, & a torque wrench. The crank spec is old skool, non-compact and relatively long crank lengths, such as 175 in medium. Wish they included some basebar stack and reach information, not sure how you decide which stem or basebar drop to buy.

Also would love to see some independent wind tunnel testing, although having seen Frodo's power numbers for Kona he's got very good power/speed numbers.

All in all a very interesting offering. Not sure when they'll be selling these in the US...
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"J" says armpad stack, but J shows armpad reach on the diagram. And the exact opposite for K. And with those flipped, you can't tell which is correct.

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ZenTriBrett wrote:
"J" says armpad stack, but J shows armpad reach on the diagram. And the exact opposite for K. And with those flipped, you can't tell which is correct.

The diagram is almost certainly wrong and the table numbers are right. The stack ranges are larger than the reach ranges, which is invariably the case.
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Armpad max center of pad 558 is just what I'm looking for! Now what's up with this no USA thing? Anybody know when they'll get that cleared up?

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Why do the prices change enormously depending on the country you choose? if the prices are displayed in dollars, it is much cheaper than the prices displayed in euros, or pounds. Why??
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New rule - If you aren't selling in US, then you can't use our dollars! /rant

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triguy119 wrote:
Why do the prices change enormously depending on the country you choose? if the prices are displayed in dollars, it is much cheaper than the prices displayed in euros, or pounds. Why??
I presume this is because sales within the EU (those with € and UK£ prices I presume) will include German VAT due to the single market - you pay VAT at the point of sale. Those outside the EU will be subject to customs taxes etc. but will not have VAT included in the price from Canyon. This should be the case for almost anything you purchase from a company in an EU country.
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triguy119 wrote:
Why do the prices change enormously depending on the country you choose? if the prices are displayed in dollars, it is much cheaper than the prices displayed in euros, or pounds. Why??

Not seeing US displayed in the country list or dollars as an option, did they jump the gun for a little while?
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You guys are lucky! The cheapest model available in New Zealand is the SLX 8.0 at $10,000. When converting that to pounds or euros we are paying quite a hefty excess
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Why do the prices change enormously depending on the country you choose? if the prices are displayed in dollars, it is much cheaper than the prices displayed in euros, or pounds. Why??

Likely a mistake. The Euro prices were right from the beginning and all other currencies wrong. Now appears to be corrected.
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This thing is radical!
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triguy119 wrote:
Why do the prices change enormously depending on the country you choose? if the prices are displayed in dollars, it is much cheaper than the prices displayed in euros, or pounds. Why??


Likely a mistake. The Euro prices were right from the beginning and all other currencies wrong. Now appears to be corrected.

Mexico delivery shows US prices. Pretty good deal but I'd like to know what the deal is on the seatpost rear bottle holder...nothing in the new pics or in the pdf manual.

I think it will be later in the year before Canyon has a lbs presence in the US and thus support US ordering.
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Hmmm - am I missing something here? I can see from £4399?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [trihard1980] [ In reply to ]
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They changed it yesterday sometime. When I first looked on the site the prices ranged from 3499 to 5699 - I think they were ex-VAT although the new prices are not exactly the old ones plus 20%!!

Based on their latest prices I think I'll give them a miss
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Ah cool. Thanks for clarifying. Nothing like living in 'Rip off Britain'. If you are considering it though in the near future, might be worth looking at before we decide to leave the EU!
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Well here we are in March and still fuck all on Canyon's wesite other than "available to order in March"

But it sounds like you're still not happy now they're available, and it's only 2nd March....

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A bit off topic. I have a family member studying in the UK. I want an Aeroad. I live in the states and don't really want to wait another year, if we are lucky, before Canyon gets here. What type of hassle would it be for him to get this thing shipped from his place to me, aside from the actual shipping expense?
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Too right I'm not happy, they put the prices up by over 20% in one day on the UK site..... another example, perhaps, of them not being totally ready for the new model launch...
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If you are considering it though in the near future, might be worth looking at before we decide to leave the EU!

D you think that's likely then?

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I'm not educated enough on the subject to provide an informed opinion on which way it goes, however, I wouldnt imagine any referendum would be until mid / later in the year.

However, the cost of a shiny new TT bike from the EU only has the potential to go one way. If we remain in the EU, the price will remain the same, potentially decrease due to the strength of the pound, if we leave, it would depend on what trade agreements were drawn up between the EU and GB I would imagine.

Probably not the right thread for this conversation, I need to get back to starring at the geometery charts wondering how one earth I can fit on one!

Probably a bit early in the day, but does anyone know how this compares aerodynamically to a Felt IA10? (Fit aside of course).
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Re: New Canyon on their website [trihard1980] [ In reply to ]
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Someone fire a starting gun, this bike is now for sale on the website.

Variable estimated delivery times, depending on which model or spec level you get.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [AforEffort] [ In reply to ]
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Also includes some options you can choose:

https://www.canyon.com/download/speedmax/Speedmax_Options_EN.pdf


Can choose to have the base bar swept low, high, or straight. Choice of extensions. Cassette choice, stem choice, seatpost choice all free.


£30 to upgrade to Adamo saddle, and ceramicspeed BB and pulley upgrades with extra cost.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [AforEffort] [ In reply to ]
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interesting that they list USD prices! maybe we will see them here soon...i almost flew to germany to buy one. still might.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [boobooaboo] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not seeing US prices???

Mike
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Re: New Canyon on their website [boobooaboo] [ In reply to ]
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I think they've nailed their pricing and its spacing.


4th model (Ultegra di2, training wheels): $5200

+1600 to add Reynolds Strike Wheels

3rd model: $6100

+$1600 to upgrade to Dura Ace and Reynolds 72/90 wheelset

2nd model: $7700

+$1000 to upgrade to Zipp 404/808 NSW

1st model: $8700


If you already have the wheelset you want, you're going to go with the bottom spec, but if you're looking for an aero wheelset to go with your flash new bike then it would be hard to go past the 2nd top model. Assuming you've decided on this bike, then it effectively gives you a Reynolds 72/90 wheelset for $2500 (regular price $2600) and throws in Dura-Ace upgrade for free.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [AforEffort] [ In reply to ]
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I was disappointed to not see any crank length options on there.
175mm on a medium frame is pretty outdated.
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MCSLC wrote:
I'm not seeing US prices???

No US prices yet, supposedly some time this year? You can get US$ shown by selecting Mexico as your country.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [tttiltheend] [ In reply to ]
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ah! thanks

Mike
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I'm fairly certain Canyon allows you to change crank lengths if you ask them. You can certainly change stems and handlebar width on their road bikes.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [earnstrom] [ In reply to ]
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Possibly. I was just going off of their optional extras PDF.
It lists options for stem length and cassette ratio etc, but makes no mention of cranks
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Re: New Canyon on their website [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I thought I saw option for 172.5 somewhere...

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172.5 comes as standard on the small frame.
You could probably convince them to switch it onto a larger frame for you.

I feel that they're ignoring the want/need for 165mm etc on large frames though.
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Yeah, I just interviewed Rob Gray, the guy that won Ultraman Florida, and he's riding 165s. They obviously work! I guess just not enough demand for them yet?

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Re: New Canyon on their website [MCSLC] [ In reply to ]
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Just got this response from Canyon support rep. Not looking good for US

Support Martin: At this time, Canyon has no definite plans regarding sales and distribution in North America. Should this change, we will be certain to communicate this through our social media and email channels. To keep in touch with happenings at Canyon, be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and sign up for our Newsletter.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [mpc@me.com] [ In reply to ]
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This is so dumb. So how does somebody in the U.S. get one? Get a friend to receive it and then ship it here? Will the warranty be any good then?

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I went from 175mm to 165mm and it certainly helped my position/fit.
Still ride 175mm on the road bike.

Considering all the R&D that goes in to saving their customers a few extra Watts, you'd think that they'd go the last 1% to make relatively large gains for Canyon riders.
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Will the warranty be any good then?


My guess is that would be an issue. If you're willing to gamble $5000 to $9000 go for it. My guess is Canyon would not honor the warranty outside their sales zone for a bike bought by a straw buyer and then immediately shipped to someone in the States.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [AforEffort] [ In reply to ]
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That is sure long and low. I want one.

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Does anyone know if the speedmax can be built with mechanical gearing? they only have di2 components for sale, and somebody told me the speedmax can only be built with electronic components... is it true?
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I think there's no holes drilled for mechanical shifting, but could be wrong.

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My new baby!






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damn
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I hate you. That is the sexiest bike I have ever seen.

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chuy wrote:
I hate you. That is the sexiest bike I have ever seen.

X2

How I wish they'd ship to Canada.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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Do the bike justice and get rid of the downtube bottle cage.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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Very nice. I can dream.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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I strongly approve.

How much room do you have storage area where seat mast hots the tt?
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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Beautiful,
Dang!

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The guys at the Kona Expo said the top of the line all tweaked out option would be around 7K. I asked him two more times to make sure I heard him right. He said by going direct they can get really competitive with their pricing and said they will be in the U.S very soon but couldn't give me a firm timetable. The bike looks awesome in person even more so than how it looks on their website.

Canyon has always been reasonable on price, even at the high end. When they begin to sell in the U.S., I think end of this year, it will make a dent in the high end bike market. I am betting in the next two or three years at least a few of the big brands will be direct to consumer. By allowing online sells BMC, pina, Argon, Ridley are already increasing in popularity locally at road and cross races. The interesting thing is that this will hardly hurt the lbs who makes most of their money off low end bikes, accessories, and labor.

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Wasn't there a quote/comment from Canyon that they would not enter the US market this year and it was maybe something for 2017.

Didn't sound promising.

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Problem is that you are buying without taking a test drive. Worries me a bit.
I know, most lbs can not stock high end bikes anyway.
I, too, am hoping for the end of the year

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Got to see the road bikes up close at the Tour of California this morning- beautiful.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Wasn't there a quote/comment from Canyon that they would not enter the US market this year and it was maybe something for 2017.

Didn't sound promising.

I could be wrong but I think it was on weight weenies a thread said this winter was their goal and the problem was production levels.

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Re: New Canyon on their website [Hoffmeister] [ In reply to ]
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No worries, just temporary for training :)


Hoffmeister wrote:
Do the bike justice and get rid of the downtube bottle cage.
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Problem is that you are buying without taking a test drive. Worries me a bit.
I know, most lbs can not stock high end bikes anyway.
I, too, am hoping for the end of the year

The thing is, if you're buying a high end bike, you likely already know your fit anyway, or else can work with a bike fitter to get your coordinates and figure out which size and model works for you. So no real need to test drive it for fit. My experience with Canyon has also been really good on this front - I have one on order (3 month lead time in UK by the way, which doesn't bode well for their ability to scale up and get into the US this year), I had a RETUL fit done a few years ago so just sent them the numbers from that and have had good discussions about sizing so I'm very comfortable that the bike will fit when it arrives.

So if you're not test driving for fit, you're test driving for other factors like stiffness, ride quality, etc. I've been riding road and tri bikes for nearly 25 years, and I can honestly say that I don't think it's possible to make a meaningful judgement of these things on a test ride. If I had the opportunity to get a Canyon, set it up exactly like my current bike (fit, bar tape, saddle, pedals, tires, wheels, etc), and then ride both bikes back to back on the same road, then it's just possible I could make a meaningful comparison. But even then I suspect there would be things I maybe didn't like on the first ride which grew on me with time. If you're test riding a bike that is set up even a little bit differently to your current bike, then IMHO the test is largely meaningless.
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Karl wrote:
Problem is that you are buying without taking a test drive. Worries me a bit.
I know, most lbs can not stock high end bikes anyway.
I, too, am hoping for the end of the year


The thing is, if you're buying a high end bike, you likely already know your fit anyway, or else can work with a bike fitter to get your coordinates and figure out which size and model works for you. So no real need to test drive it for fit. My experience with Canyon has also been really good on this front - I have one on order (3 month lead time in UK by the way, which doesn't bode well for their ability to scale up and get into the US this year), I had a RETUL fit done a few years ago so just sent them the numbers from that and have had good discussions about sizing so I'm very comfortable that the bike will fit when it arrives.

So if you're not test driving for fit, you're test driving for other factors like stiffness, ride quality, etc. I've been riding road and tri bikes for nearly 25 years, and I can honestly say that I don't think it's possible to make a meaningful judgement of these things on a test ride. If I had the opportunity to get a Canyon, set it up exactly like my current bike (fit, bar tape, saddle, pedals, tires, wheels, etc), and then ride both bikes back to back on the same road, then it's just possible I could make a meaningful comparison. But even then I suspect there would be things I maybe didn't like on the first ride which grew on me with time. If you're test riding a bike that is set up even a little bit differently to your current bike, then IMHO the test is largely meaningless.
I totally agree.
When I was shopping for a nice road bike I was advised to make sure I got a test ride on any candidates to make sure they suited me. I did ride a couple of bikes and quickly came to the conclusion that this often shared advice is total nonsense. What matters is fit and even this can't be well checked with a test ride. The rest is all too subjective and has too many variables. How you feel the day of the test ride, the weather, the local terrain and road surface, how well the bike is set up for you (saddle position, bar position, brake and gear tuning) are all far more important than the construction of the bike itself. Tyres and tyre pressure are vitally important to handling and comfort but people reject bikes for comfort when they don't even know what tyre pressure they were riding on or haven't ridden those road surfaces on their existing bike for comparison. Test rides are almost entirely a nonsense.
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But it sure is nice to see the quality and detail in person.

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Karl wrote:
But it sure is nice to see the quality and detail in person.

Okay, but that's nothing to do with test riding it - just seeing/handling it.
I don't think it's really about quality either, it's just about getting a proper sense of proportion, colour and scale that's not always conveyed sufficiently in photos. Are you actually worried the quality will be unacceptable or is it just a case of seeing it in person and deciding if you really like it?

But yes, it's nice to see what you're buying in person. However I've still bought my last two bikes without having seen them in person first. My roadbike is a Canyon Ultimate CF SL 9.0 which I bought when they were released without having seen one and I recently bought a Felt IA14. I'd seen one of the original IAs previously but didn't get to see what I was buying until it arrived. Worst case you somehow completely misjudged it from photos and specs and don't like it in person. So send it back - it does cost a bit, but how likely is that to happen?
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Not sure it makes much difference if you're buying a reputable brand to be honest, the quality is going to be fine and if it's not you send it back. If you're particularly fussed by having a certain shade of colour then maybe it's a problem, but to my eye most high end carbon bikes these days look much of a muchness, but then I'm not much of an aesthete ;-) If it's important then chances are you can see one in the flesh either at a bike show, out on the roads or in the transition area.

When Canyon do launch in the US then I guess for the first year or so they'll be a pretty rare sight, but have no doubt that enough people would be prepared to buy based on photos and reputation that there'd soon be a fair few of them around to see.
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Re: New Canyon on their website [david222] [ In reply to ]
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Got mine first!:D




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Re: New Canyon on their website [Skammenv] [ In reply to ]
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That is one sweet bike!
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