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Dear slowtwitchers,

opening the official power2max support thread to help with any questions, issues, etc. Feel free to ask away!

Best
Nicolas from power2max

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Nope ..... no questions.
Just a chance to say thanks for a great product and your support!
A+ in all regards.
Oh ......... and good luck in Kona Nick!
-YT
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, I'll start. I have a P2M with a 110BCD spider adapter for a Rotor 3D+ crank. If I wanted to move my current P2M over to my MTB, with a 110/74 BCD double CR and a Rotor 3D crank, would that pose a problem at all or would it be a straight swap over since both are 110 outer CR bolt patterns? I might be interested in the new P2M when it becomes available and I want to start planning moving things about.

Regards,
Dave
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Re: Official power2max support thread [djmercer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Dave,

unfortunately that doesn't work for two reasons: firstly the MTB sensor is completely different (4 bolts vs 5 bolts, adapter for inner chain ring, and different chain line). Also the sensor differs between the 3D and 3D+ - the cranks have different interfaces.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi have a Cannondale Slice which has BB30 and a Gossamer Crank (110mm) if I buy the p2m with the FSA crank that's on sale I would have to buy the adaptor as well (Rotor BB30 to BB24 which is also on your site?). With this I could use my existing chainrings as well? Last question does the PMeter have a temp sensor?

Thanks,
Rob
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Nicolas,

Is there an appropriate Power2max combination to give one 155mm cranks that would easily go on a Trek Speed Concept?

Thanks,

Hugh


Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:

Is there an appropriate Power2max combination to give one 155mm cranks that would easily go on a Trek Speed Concept?

Not Nicolas, but the Rotor 3D and 3D+ are the only P2M-compatible cranks that you can get with a 155mm crank length. And the 3D+ is BB30, so you're left with the 3D as the only option assuming you can find a bottom bracket that will work with whatever is on the SC (BB90?).
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asad137 wrote:
sciguy wrote:

Is there an appropriate Power2max combination to give one 155mm cranks that would easily go on a Trek Speed Concept?


Not Nicolas, but the Rotor 3D and 3D+ are the only P2M-compatible cranks that you can get with a 155mm crank length. And the 3D+ is BB30, so you're left with the 3D as the only option assuming you can find a bottom bracket that will work with whatever is on the SC (BB90?).

Thanks........That had been my impression but wanted to double check. The SC is a BB90 so one obviously needs the appropriate bearings to mate the 3D to that frame.

Hugh

Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Y-Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Ditto. I haven't had any issues with the product since I first installed it. Very happy.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Which power2max power meter would I get for my bone stock Cervelo P5-three bike? It has a 54/36 Rotor 3D+ front crank and if you need anymore information on that, well, I'm totally dumb on those type things. I just get on it an pedal. : )

Christmas is coming and this is what Santa is bringing me, whether (s)he knows it or not.

Thanks!

Toby
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Re: Official power2max support thread [coolny29] [ In reply to ]
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@ Rob: that's right, the bb30to24 is the right bottom bracket. You'll be able to use your existing chain rings without problems. And yes our power meters have active temperature compensation.

@Hugh:the 3D is indeed the crank of choice, but unfortunately the shortest we have is 165mm.

Best
Nicolas

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PHXATC wrote:
Which power2max power meter would I get for my bone stock Cervelo P5-three bike? It has a 54/36 Rotor 3D+ front crank and if you need anymore information on that, well, I'm totally dumb on those type things. I just get on it an pedal. : )

Christmas is coming and this is what Santa is bringing me, whether (s)he knows it or not.

Thanks!

Toby

Hi Toby ,

54/36 sounds odd , could out be 52/36? In this case all you need is the sensor for 3D+ cranks and the installation tool and you're good to go.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:
The SC is a BB90 so one obviously needs the appropriate bearings to mate the 3D to that frame.
You just get the standard Trek bearings for a Shimano crankset, the 3D is interchangeable with Shimano. The interface between the P2Max and 3D is the same as the stock 3D (unlike SRM), so you can source a 155mm 3D crankset separately and fit it to a P2Max spider. I had to do that to get a 165mm P2Max at a time when P2Max didn't offer 165mm.
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I've obviously slept since I've looked at my bike. Crap...you're right (and let the flaming begin)...it's a 52/36.

Thanks!
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power2max wrote:
@Hugh:the 3D is indeed the crank of choice, but unfortunately the shortest we have is 165mm.

If one bought a 155mm Rotor3D crank separately, could the P2M sensor be used on it? Or is there some modification to the crankarms or some interference that would prevent the shorter arms from being used?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [asad137] [ In reply to ]
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hi,

got my P2M[/url] yesterday and am using it with the navi2coach[/url].

my question now is regarding the calibration before each ride. is it necessary to do a manual zero before the ride? I guess not as it should zero when not pedaling for 3 sec right? But in the navi2coach[/url] setting for the powermeter[/url] it says that auto-zero is not supported.

thanks,
Jakob[/url]
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My question too is about the auto calibration.
Does the auto calibration feature actually change the calibration value or does it just change the internal processing algorithm?
For instance, if I start a ride and my calibration is at 1249 and then during the ride that experiences a huge temperature swing, and provided I stop pedalling a few times for the autocalibrate to kick in, will the calibration factor I see on my head unit after the ride change from 1249?
thanks
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Y-Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Y-Tri wrote:
Nope ..... no questions.
Just a chance to say thanks for a great product and your support!
A+ in all regards.
Oh ......... and good luck in Kona Nick!
-YT

X2 very happy with the product by now
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Re: Official power2max support thread [adal] [ In reply to ]
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Just ordered the P2Max for my new P3 and I'm waiting anxiously for it to arrive. I have Rotor 3df cranks so I just ordered the power meter itself. Anybody know how hard it is to install? I actually asked a few of the LBS around here and nobody had even heard of it.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [parasky] [ In reply to ]
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parasky wrote:
Just ordered the P2Max for my new P3 and I'm waiting anxiously for it to arrive. I have Rotor 3df cranks so I just ordered the power meter itself. Anybody know how hard it is to install? I actually asked a few of the LBS around here and nobody had even heard of it.

VERY easy. to attach the sensor to the crank (instead of the spider) they will send you the rotor tool and then you only need a 32mm wrench to tighten it. put the rings on and inseart the batterie and that's it.
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@PHXATC: great, 52/36 is 110bcd (compact), so you would need to choose that version. What chain rings do you use?

@asad137: you could use 3D crank arms purchased separately. No modification needed. Just use the specific tool you can get from us to install the power meter on it.

@Jakob1989: that's right, you don't need to auto zero because the power2max will auto zero every time you stop pedalling for 2 seconds or more. What the navi2coach menu refers to is turning auto zero on and off. On our units it is always turned on to make sure you get the most consistent data.

@Russ Brand: the calibration value reported on your unit is just for your reference. The power2max calculates power and then transmits that, so auto zero changes the calculation, as you say. You can actually forget about the number you see on the screen because you have two mechanisms keeping your data true: auto zero every time you stop pedaling and temperature compensation for temperature changes in between. The latter one would only matter if you did a huge long climb where the temperature dropped significantly during a very long period of sustained pedaling. In practice auto zero has you covered in 99% of the case. For the last 1% we have included the temperature compensation.

@parasky: we have a video showing the installation procedure. Sorry it's still in German, have to get around to dubbing it in English.

Cheers to all,
Nicolas

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Many thanks Nicolas, I just subscribed to this thread :)
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Re: Official power2max support thread [caius] [ In reply to ]
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caius wrote:
Ditto. I haven't had any issues with the product since I first installed it. Very happy.

Absolutely. Other than getting the spider off (which evidently was a bear when my LBS did it - money well spent) I now have a bike that I hop on and power numbers magically come out. In fact, if I wouldn't have found this PM I wouldn't have bought my S5.
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I'm subscribing because I just installed the gossamer power2max. I read that it's not compatible with aero chainrings but I was able to install the alloy Trimax aero chainring without a problem at least with clearance. Is there a problem with the power number it will put out?
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Hi Nicholas,
I just picked up a Cannondale Slice Hi-Mod with the Cannondale SL crank 130bcd. I was told I would have to wait until February2014 for the new version if I didn't want to have to buy new crank arms. Is this correct? I am curious what makes it incompatible.
Thanks.

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Beanster] [ In reply to ]
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@sand101: great to hear you seem to be happy with it :-)

@elevario: your aero chain ring has a little cut out where the battery compartment is on the compact version. On Rotor Q-Rings the chain ring needs to be modified a bit to fit. Readings are not affected by chain rings, our power meters are built so you can change chain rings without affecting calibration, so you rest assured.

@Beanster: that's right, our new Type S (http://www.power2max.de/...ca/power2max-type-s/) is the one for you. Unfortunately the Cannondale doesn't fit with the existing model. Type S will ship from the beginning of February.

Happy training to all,
Nicolas

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Can I put the power2max sensor onto a set of Rotor 3D+ Aero 110 bcd cranks? These cranks have Rotor aero rings on them so will it just be a case of grinding a small part of the ring away to get them to fit with the existing sensor? Am I correct in thinking that if I wait for the new S sensor then the rings will fit without any grinding?

Thanks,

Steven
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sdkenny wrote:
Can I put the power2max sensor onto a set of Rotor 3D+ Aero 110 bcd cranks? These cranks have Rotor aero rings on them so will it just be a case of grinding a small part of the ring away to get them to fit with the existing sensor? Am I correct in thinking that if I wait for the new S sensor then the rings will fit without any grinding?

Thanks,

Steven

Hi Steven,

right on all accounts :-). If you have found your position on the aero Q-Rings you can dremel the ring. If you want to keep the possibility to adjust them later you should wait for Type S. For all others - the aero chain ring issue only applies to 110BCD (compact). On 130BCD (standard) there are no restrictions.

Best
Nicolas

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I do have 2 units already but i am intrested in upgrading my tt bike with something lighter than s900. It is no hurry so i can wait for type S, however i want the lightest option. whac can you reccomend ?
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xsnailx wrote:
I do have 2 units already but i am intrested in upgrading my tt bike with something lighter than s900. It is no hurry so i can wait for type S, however i want the lightest option. whac can you reccomend ?

Hi xsnailx,

the lightest option should be the Specialized S-Works, closely followed by the SISL. The K-Force Light by FSA will also be a light option for Shimano-style 24mm axles.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Rotor...not the Q stuff, just the normal stock 52/36 stuff that came with it and a 11/26 cassette in the back. It's whatever came stock on the bike. I'm not good with the specifics, so if you were looking for some other piece of information, let me know...

Thanks for the 110bcd (whatever bcd is) info too...that will help when I go get my goodies!!
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I am looking into buying a 2013 Canyon CF SLX road bike. On the website they say the bottom bracket is a pressfit 86.5. What cranks will work? I am interested in the power2max and lightning cranks.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [tsarbomba] [ In reply to ]
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@PHXATC: Don't sweat the technical stuff, we're here to help :-). BCD stands for Bolt Circle Diameter. It's how far the bolts are apart on the crank spider (here the power meter). There are two common formats - 110mm (compact), which you have, and 130mm. To keep using your chain rings you need to choose 110 when buying your power meter.

@tsarbomba: on a BB86 pressfit the easiest is to take a Rotor 3D because it fits with the existing bottom bracket for 24mm axles. If you want to use the Lightning cranks you need to get their specific bottom bracket with the cranks, since their axle has a 30mm diameter.

Cheers
Nicolas

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What 165 options are/will be available?

Thanks,
Gene
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Re: Official power2max support thread [geetee] [ In reply to ]
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@geetee: we have 4 models currently available. On this page (http://www.power2max.de/...n/power-meters-road/) you can filter everything by crank length, price, etc. The models are: Rotor 3D, Rotor 3D+, FSA Gossamer, and Lightning.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks - I should have been more specific. Which models will be available with the revised version?
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Hi, i have the specialized s-works shiv with the s-works cranks / ceramic speed. What do i have to buy if i wan't p2m on the bike - only the spider?
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@geetee: the Rotor 3D+. Or you can just get the power meter from us and use an existing Cannondale, Specialized, or SRAM crank.

@Thisted: yes, all you'll need is the power meter.

Best
Nicolas

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I'm currently riding a Cannondale Slice with BB30 and am thinking of getting a Rotor 3d+ or 3df P2M. I am also using osymmetric rings (130bcd 52/42) and know that they are compatible, however, how compatible? ie, will I need to do some dremel work on the rings to make them fit?
Cheers
Scotty
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Hi Scotty,

I used Osymetrics myself and my buddy uses them on both his power2max units. I can confirm that they fit without any modifications, both on compact and standard.

Cheers
Nicolas

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My Power2Max just arrived! I won't be able to install it until this evening but can you confirm if I need a special tool to install it onto the Rotor 3D+ crank?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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Hi qngo01,

yes, on the Rotor 3D+ you need the tool. Sorry if there was a miscommunication - I guess you don't have it? If so please email us at the support address and we will arrange to get one to you asap.

Best
Nicolas

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Cool, thanks Nicolas! I've just sent an email via the Contact page on the website.

-Quoc
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Quoc,

did you get Michael's reply? I hope you found the tool in the package.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,
Just received my FSA Power2Max and had a chance to read through the User Manual. It claims that I should have received the tool but I only have "Powermeter" and crank arms in the box. Is FSA just a standard tool that my LBS will have?

Jack Toland
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Hi Jack,

the nice thing with the FSA version of the power meter is that it doesn't need a special tool to be mounted. You only need to tighten the six bolts with an allen key to mount the power meter on the cranks. The Rotor and other models need a special tool because on those cranks the power meter is mounted using a lock ring.

So no worries, you are good to go :-).

Best
Nicolas

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Perfect!
That was the assumption just got a little worried when I saw the User Manual's packing content list including a "special tool!"

Jack Toland
JackToland.com | PremierBike | University of Colorado Triathlon | Boulder, CO

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Hi Nicolas - I just checked the shipping box again and the tool was in there in bubble wrap. My mistake as I only checked the Power2Max box. Thanks for looking into that! I did run into a problem where the sensor doesn't fit into the Aero Rotor Chainring that is 110 BCD that came with my P5. I checked around the forum and another workaround (in addition to filing down the chainring) is to file down part of the plastic underneath the battery compartment so there is some extra room to slide the P2M onto the chainring. Have you seen any issues with this approach?
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Hi Nicholas,
Should there have been a calibration certificate and a couple of spare battery cover screws in with my Rotor 3d compact P2M when it was delivered? If so, they were missing.
thanks
Gerry
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Re: Official power2max support thread [moonshine] [ In reply to ]
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@Quoc: please don't modify the battery compartment, it will compromise the integrity of the sensor and you risk destroying it. Please modify the chain ring instead. I will send you a picture of one.

@Gerry: the calibration certificate is in the manual, inside the cover. I will check with Michael regarding the spare screws.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks Nicolas,
I'm off in the Alps at the moment with my MTB & my road bike with the P2M on it.
I'll check for the calibration certificate when I get back, but I don't recall seeing one when I opened the box (& I was looking for it).
As I said, let me check when I get back & I'll email customer services again direct if I still can't find it.
All the best,

Gery
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Re: Official power2max support thread [moonshine] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Gerry,

did you order through the European or US Shop?

The certificate is pretty stealth - unless you open the manual you won't see it.

Have fun in the alps - nothing less than 300 watts on the climbs, please ;-P.

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I'm located in the UK, so direct via the European shop I guess.
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Thanks Nicolas...can you email the instructions to fit my chainring to "quocngo@gmail.com"?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Quoc,

sent it. In case it hits the spam folder - can you check there and mark it as "not spam"?

Thanks
Nicolas

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Anyone have advice for getting the lock ring off the back of the Rotor 3D+ spider? I don't have a vice but using a wrench and the thing is really on there. I saw another thread that suggested applying some heat with a blow dryer but no luck at all. It is def not from lack of trying!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Quoc,

the Rotor factory can be a bit overzealous at tightening the lock ring at times... My suggestion would be to head to the closest car workshop and just ask them to use their vise. Once you have opened it using a large monkey wrench or similar is usually enough.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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I had a hard time also (on my Rotor 3DF crank which I think has the same lock ring). I bought a $24 light duty vice from Home Depot and mounted it on my garage workbench. I applied heat but could not get it off with the special tool mounted in the vice. But when I mounted the crank arm in the vice (wrapped in a shop towel to keep from scratching it) I got it off pretty quickly using a large wrench.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [chadfikes] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks! I have no vice or a work bench to mount to so I'll have to find an LBS that can help out. Between the sensor not fitting onto my Rotor Aero 110 BCD Ring and this lockring hassle, it hasn't been the best experience so far. I hope it works well when all is said and done
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Finally had everything installed. For removal of the spider from the crank, the LBS was stumped at first because the crank+lock ring wouldn't stay on the lock ring removal that was clamped onto the vice. I forget exactly what they used but they had to clamp the crank down onto the lockring tool which allowed them to get enough torque to remove the lock ring.

Did a short ride today to test it out. Basically a recovery pace with a few FTP interval efforts. Power felt like it was similar to when I was using a Quarq. I recorded everything onto a Garmin 510. After I uploaded the data file I did notice a few things:

1 - Power seemed about right. Not sure how I can really prove it since the Quarq was the old baseline
2 - Since Power2Max measures left/right and the Garmin Vector peddles to so as well, Garmin Connect provided a nice power balance chart
3 - There were some dropouts during the FTP intervals (both cadence/power). I def didn't stop pedaling so I'll have to continue to monitor this

For anyone interested, here's my file: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/374950228
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Hi folks,

I hope you don't mind the cross posting here, but in time with Interbike we have a major update to announce. We have decided to serve you - our customers - direct going forward and are passing the benefits on to you in three ways:

  • Prices of all power meters are lower - the $899 for the Gossamer stays, the Rotor 3D is now $1,099 (previously $1,349), 3D+ 1,249 (previously 1,449)
  • We ship all power meters for free in USA and Canada
  • We are proud to announce a partnership with Praxis Works to bring the best shifting chain rings
  • We continue to serve all 50 US States free of tax.

Details can be found on our site: http://bit.ly/19eaLAa

We're looking forward to your feedback!


Best
Nicolas

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Will the Euro prices also decrease, or is this just for North America?
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Hi dixie,

this is for North America and brings our prices in line with those in Europe.

Best
Nicolas

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So far I'm enjoying the product I bought a Rotor3D unit about a month and a half ago. Thanks for starting the thread to give us a place to ask any questions though!
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Is the Rotor tool now an add-on to the Power2Max Sensor only purchase? I see it listed under package contents that it's still included, but first additional option under the sensor is for the tool.
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also wanted to give you my thumbs up review.

got mine early June (3 1/2 mo ago). Install on Rotor 3D was easy after using the special tool and my "kung foo grip" and a very large crescent wrench. Damn! I just tightened it "as hard as I could" and figured that would do (since there was no real way to measure the "suggested" torque value.

It appears to be working flawlessly since install with Garmin 500 and/or 910XT. It has been an amazing training tool. It loks nice and price was very fair compared to other options.

Thanks.
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Saw this via DCRainmaker's blog--very impressive!! I've been toying with a new powermeter (to replace an aging unit that I don't feel like paying to have overhauled with the price of these newer units!!) and this might well just push me over the edge!!
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power2max wrote:
this is for North America and brings our prices in line with those in Europe.



But unfortunately for those of us in the southern hemisphere, the NZ prices stay the same :(
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Re: PSA - new prices, Praxis Works, free shipping [Cape_Horn] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, was gonna say this for Australia (the agent is based in NZ anyway)!
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Re: PSA - new prices, Praxis Works, free shipping [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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@DrAloha: great to hear you like your power2max :-)

@geauxtri: we separated out the tool to give people the choice - sometimes people have the tool already or friends have it, then they don't need to buy it.

Cheers
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
@Quoc: please don't modify the battery compartment, it will compromise the integrity of the sensor and you risk destroying it. Please modify the chain ring instead. I will send you a picture of one.

@Gerry: the calibration certificate is in the manual, inside the cover. I will check with Michael regarding the spare screws.

Best
Nicolas
Hi Nicolas,
I need to install Q-Rings. Could you pass on that picture also please and any links to installing the Q-Rings? Thank you.

P
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Re: Official power2max support thread [pgibbo] [ In reply to ]
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Hi, not sure how to post the picture here. Can you PM me your email, then I can send you the picture.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Any plans for a lower-cost BB30 option? It looks like FSA doesn't make the BB30 version of the Gossamer anymore unfortunately...not sure what other options there are (maybe the FSA Omega?)
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Re: Official power2max support thread [asad137] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the input Asad. Nothing to report at the moment, if there are news I will put it up, of course.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: PSA - new prices, Praxis Works, free shipping [Cape_Horn] [ In reply to ]
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Cape_Horn wrote:
power2max wrote:
this is for North America and brings our prices in line with those in Europe.



But unfortunately for those of us in the southern hemisphere, the NZ prices stay the same :(

Yeah, but you get to live in New Zealand...unfair for the rest of us :-)
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I recently purchsed and installed the FSA Gossamer Road power meter but am having issues with low power readings. I'm wondering if anyone has had similar issues. I am testing on my indoor trainer (CycleOps Fluid 2). As an example when I'm on a gear of 50/19 and 90 cadence the power reading is around 90 watts. Any idea what the problem might be?

Thanks
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Re: Official power2max support thread [scottywest] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Scotty,

just contacted you by mail, let's figure out what's going on by looking at some files and comparing what's going on. I'm sure we'll find out quickly what the situation is.

Cheers
N

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Gerry,

did you order through the European or US Shop?

The certificate is pretty stealth - unless you open the manual you won't see it.

Have fun in the alps - nothing less than 300 watts on the climbs, please ;-P.

Just Back from the Alps... I checked and the Calibration certificate is inside the manual front page as you described .. Thanks.
Also, an envelope from Germany with a battery and three battery cover screws was in the post when i got home.. Thanks again! :-)
Gerry
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Re: Official power2max support thread [moonshine] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Gerry,

good to hear that everything worked out :-). Enjoy your power2max!

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi folks, just made an announcement for those in Kona - we've got a bunch of batteries with us if you want to change before race day and are meeting for a drink before the slowtwitch gathering on Wednesday: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Cheers
Nicolas

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Great idea!
Won't be there but do have an upcoming race.
What battery type does it use?
Cheers!
-YT
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Y-Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Y-Tri,

you'll want to get a 2450N from Renata (http://www.amazon.com/...eywords=renata+2450n) - the brand is important, others will not always work reliably, for some reason the manufacturers all make them a bit differently.

Cheers!
Nicolas

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Just checked and I must have ordered several of these about 6 months ago or so.
They've been in my garage.
Is it advisable to keep these in a refrigerator?
I'd hate to put in a "bad" battery that has been sitting around.
Next time I probably won't order so many.
Either that, or I'll just ride more! :-)
-YT
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Hi YT,

6 months shouldn't be a problem, but don't put the batteries in the fridge - cold temperatures kill batteries pretty quickly. Best just keep it at room temperature.

Good luck with your upcoming race!

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Which crank setup would you recommend for BB30, running an Ultegra Di2 groupset? Are the chainrings all that matter?

I'm also looking to go from the stock 130 BCD standard setup (either an Ultegra [53/39] or Vision Trimax [52/38], depending on which bike I buy) to a compact, if that matters, so I won't be reusing the stock chainrings.

I don't mind swapping bottom brackets if necessary.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [mirthfuldragon] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

with a BB30 frame with Ultegra installed you have 2 choices:

1) remove the bottom bracket adapter, install a BB30 bottom bracket, and run a Rotor 3DF or 3D+ crankset. This is slightly lighter and stiffer, but needs the BB change

2) Keep the BB as it is and install a Rotor 3D or FSA Gossamer. Slightly heavier and less stiff, but no bottom bracket change required

If you are switching to compact we have Praxis Works chain rings as an optional upgrade in 52-36 and 50-34, which give great shifting performance.

Let me know if we can help with anything else,
Cheers
Nicolas

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Have a P5 and been using my old Quarq GXP power meter with adapter. BTW, have been happy with the Quarq. But I am now ready to bite the bullet and get a BBright native PM solution. The bike came with a Rotor 3D+ aero crank that has been sitting there unused. So with the Power2Max solution able to function with the crank this has steered me towards this solution.

I see that Power2max works with the Rotor 3d+. But does it work with the Rotor 3D+ aero version? Maybe a dumb question but I would hate to purchase and find out it does not work.

I am also curious on the lead time to receive. I have a race coming up. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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I ran into this problem. The current 3D+ 110 BCD aero ring is incompatible. There was no mention of this on the website when I purchased. The alternative is either wait until the new model in Feb or dremel a home into the chain ring.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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I assume home was a hole in the chain ring. Not ideal but if necessary I am ok with that. Is there a picture somewhere? I am coming from a chain ring with lots of holes :)
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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I meant hole. Here's the pic they sent me.


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I've searched the forums and the internet and from what I seen I should have no problems fitting my recently ordered P2M on my 2011 Cervelo P2. However, the bike is now at my LBS and they say it is not allowing it to spin as it is hitting the chainstay. From what I read it was supposed to be a no brainer swap/fit. My LBS has tried to contact P2M via email, but so far no response. Anyone else experience this or can offer some help ASAP.

Thanks, Tom
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Re: Official power2max support thread [tallytom] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have technical solution but have our LBS check their SPAM mail folder. There's some weird issue where all emails from Power2Max get flagged as spam. It has happened to a number of people (including me). Did the LBS say what is hitting the chainstay?
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Hi, Do you know if the other payment methods will be available in Europe as well as the US.

I am in the UK but still seems to be bank transfer only.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [qngo01] [ In reply to ]
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Hi all,

greetings from Kona.

@tallytom: we're getting in touch with your LBS to see what exactly happened there. I am sure we can clear it up quickly

@bartturner: The Rotor 3D+ aero only differs in the spider (apart from the chain rings). Since the spider is replaced by the chain rings it doesn't make a difference. Regarding modifying aero Q-Rings: this is only necessary on compact rings. If you use 130BCD it is not necessary to modify them.

@qngo01: thanks for posting the picture!

@boing: in Europe it's bank transfer for the moment. I will post something if other options become available. Thanks for your understanding.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks for the reply. I do not know if it matters but my Rotor 3d+ 110 has the aero NO-Q ring. It does not have a Q-ring. I am assuming that the ring needs to be modified either way. Also it is a 110. Here is the chainring that I have, http://www.artscyclery.com/descpage-RTNQ52.html

I also noticed that P2M has stated on the forum in the past that modifying the ring is not recommended. Is this more of what the official message needs to be for liability and such. Or is there a practical reason? I am comfortable machining aluminum and have a mill and appropriate cutters to perform.

In looking at this solution and reading about the crank that came with the bike I am now interested in trying a Q-ring in the future. In the future could I switch the ring to a Q-Ring, do the machining modification on the new ring, and use my original power meter without sending it in or performing any other modifications to the power meter?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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What are my crank options with power 2 max with the new 2014 cervelo p3. Will the lightning crank work?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [tsarbomba] [ In reply to ]
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Off to the race. Will reply tonight or tomorrow.

See you on the flip side!

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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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I am looking to purchase the Power2Max and presently have a Rotor 3D+ 110BCD crank and aero chainring. I understand the Rotor 110BCD aero chainring is not compatible. Can I purchase the Power2Max with the pre-installed Praxis Works chainring and use the Rotor 3D+ crank? Does it matter which Praxis I purchase as in Compact, semi-compact, classic?
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So how did you do Nick?
Maybe there should be a "Power2Max Kona Athletes Results" thread!?
-YT
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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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@bartturner - I have the same setup, Rotor 3D+ 110BCD. I too have the Rotor aero Q ring. For this to work you need to remove some of the chainring so that it fits over the P2M battery compartment. Here's what it should look like.



And yes you can use the Praxis chainrings too. I have a Praxis 52/36 (semi compact) on now with my P2M. Any 110BCD chainrings will work

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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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bartturner wrote:
Does it matter which Praxis I purchase as in Compact, semi-compact, classic?

Compact and semi-compact are 110BCD. Classic is 130BCD.
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Looking at Rotor 3d+ manual it looks like the lock ring is TL-LR15 and therefore you could use the Shimano Tl-LR15 tool to remove the Rotor 3d+ crank arm. Is this true? Or is the Rotor tool unique and must purchase with my Power2Max?

Here is a link to the Rotor manual. http://www.rotorbikeusa.com/...0_manual_12-8-10.pdf

Here is a link to the Shimano tool. http://www.bicyclebuys.com/...jdlroCFckRMwodoW0Avg
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Re: Official power2max support thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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Hi guys,

sorry for the absence, took a moment to recover from the race :-).

@bartturner:
- Unfortunately the No-Q Aero has the same issue in compact. It's due to the chain ring being fully enclosed between the bolts, this collides with the battery compartment. We don't recommend the modification because it voids the warranty of the chain ring. I ride like this, though.
- If you switch to a Q-Ring or any other chain ring you don't need to modify anything on the power meter. Just install the ring. No re-calibration is required.
- Regarding the Praxis chain rings: it's exactly as rbrnut writes - thanks for the help! - if you buy the sensor with rings pre-installed you just need to install the sensor on your 3D+ cranks. With the 110BCD unit you can choose the compact (50-34) or semi-compact (52-36).
- Regarding the tool: unfortunately the Shimano tool won't work. It's pretty much the inverse of how Rotor made the lock ring

@Tsarbomba:
- The Lightning crank theoretically would work. I haven't seen a BBRight bottom bracket for them, though (the new P3 is a BBRight frame). If you have the Dura Ace version of the new P3 you have a very simple option: you can upgrade the 3DF cranks that come with the bike by just getting our power meter for $879 and the installation tool you're good to go. That's going to be your most cost-effective approach.

@Y-Tri:
I had a great race, better than I ever hoped, thanks for asking :-). Came in in 9:16:58. Suffered on the second half of the run but had good biking legs :)

Have a good start to the week,

Nicolas

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What crank would fit a 2014 Specialized Shiv Expert with a FSA SL-K Light BB30 carbon crankset?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [seattlejp] [ In reply to ]
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Hi SeattleJP,

on a Shiv you'd want to use a BB30 compatible crank. The Rotor 3DF or 3D+ would be your first choices here.

I hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. Would the power meter option only work for the existing crank?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [seattlejp] [ In reply to ]
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You'll need to change the cranks. Unfortunately the SLK has an integrated spider, which makes it impossible to install the power meter. If you get the 3DF or 3D+ you get the complete package of power meter plus cranks. The power meter is specific to those cranks, because the interfaces are different between cranks.

Cheers
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Dear slowtwitchers,

opening the official power2max support thread to help with any questions, issues, etc. Feel free to ask away!

Best
Nicolas from power2max

Hey,

I have a power2max,great tool and very happy with it so far,I run my p2m with rotor 3D cranks with aero rings and a Garmin 800,

My question is : what software do I need to split the left right and left leg out put ? I know pulling up on the left will act as pressing down on the right and that but I'd like to get a idea of output,I'm also trying to find out where I shoul have my QRings set up and I think I need to work out where I have most power to set the Q up that way,I could be wrong but any help on this would be great,

Cheers Noel,
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Zipp] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Noel,

glad to hear that you are enjoying your power2max. A lot of software packages allow you to look at the left-right balance, such as Trainingpeaks or GoldenCheetah.

Hope this helps,

Best
NIcolas

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I've been training with my P2Max for about a month now and my L/R power balance is consistantly 47/53. How accurate is the power balance info from P2Max? BTW Great training tool and excellent product easy to install and setup.
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Would a rotor 3d+ fit a 2013 cannondale slice rs PF30? The bike has a vision trimax crank so if a rotor 3d+ were to fit I am assuming that would be cheaper than the new s-type (in Feb.) and buying a hollowgram sI.
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@trijunkie123: interesting that your balance is consistently the same number. For me it fluctuates up to 2% (50-50 to 52-48). The power2max estimates the L-R by taking the power produced during alternating peaks - i.e. trough to peak to trough is one phase, next trough to peak to trough is the next phase. In normal use it should reflect the power contribution accurately. of course, if you do one legged drills it will be a bit off.

@mtomchan: yup, the 3D+ fits PF30 frames. The 3DF is the slightly cheaper alternatives (but weighs a few grams more). Definitely a lot cheaper than buying the Cannondale cranks separately.

Best
Nicolas

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I have two bikes, one bb30 and one bsa68. Would like to be able to switch between them so my question i if I could use a FSA Gossamer crank and an adapter on the BB30 bike?
Presently I have an almost brand new Vision Trimax crankset with 110bcd, are these chainrings compatible with the Gossamer crank in 110bcd?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [pad] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Pad,

yes, you can run the crank on both frame sets. We have the normal Megaexo bottom bracket for BSA frames and the BB30 adapter from FSA both in our online store. Regarding the chain rings - the Trimax crankset I saw has solid chain rings. In compact they will collide with the battery compartment, so you would need to cut them out in that area. Alternatively we also have an upgrade on offer - Praxis Works chain rings for $99 installed (retail $188 with the chain ring bolts).

Best
Nicolas

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pad wrote:
I have two bikes, one bb30 and one bsa68. Would like to be able to switch between them so my question i if I could use a FSA Gossamer crank and an adapter on the BB30 bike?

You could also use a Rotor 3D+ with the BB30 bearings in your BB30 frame and the Rotor BSA30 conversion bottom bracket in your BSA frame if, for instance, you want a crank length not offered in the Gossamer P2M model.
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Hey!

If I buy this bike:
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/...anced.2/14967/66523/

What power2max meter will I have to buy?

Thx!

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Schmidt-DK] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

first of all - that bike looks awesome!

It has a BB86, so you could put an FSA Gossamer (cheapest), Rotor 3D, or FSA K-Force Light on there (we will get the K-Force light in next week or the week after). The Gossamer is the cheapest and heaviest, the K-Force Light the lightest and most expensive. I would suggest the Rotor 3D, it's a very popular choice, great combination of weight, looks, stiffness, and price.

Please let me know if I can answer any other questions,

Best
Nicolas

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WOW! What a quick reply :-)

I'll pull the trigger on a 3D first thing tomorrow morning!

Thanks!

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Quick question - How long does the auto-zero process take?

Was on the rollers last nite and took a brief break while standing up on the pedals and noticed that my power when I started pedaling again was way high. Stopped for about 10 seconds to have it auto-zero again and power was back to where it was previous to that break.

Just want to know the best way to handle to have consistent reading while doing TrainerRoad....

I'm competing against my current fitness level, and planning to kick my a**!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [IamRobot] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

the auto zero happens when you coast for 2 seconds or more.

Best
Nicolas

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I realize it happens when you coast for 2 seconds or more, but how long does it last for?

What happened last nite -
  1. In a rest interval, light pedaling at ~60W
  2. Stop pedaling and immediately stand up on pedals for ~1 minute
  3. Sit down and start pedaling again at same cadence as in 1, power is showing as ~100W
  4. Stop pedaling for 10 seconds
  5. Start pedaling again and power is back at ~60W

What I'd like to know is how long the auto-zero takes, so if I stop pedaling and then stand on pedals, I don't mess up the readings.

I'm competing against my current fitness level, and planning to kick my a**!
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Hi,

it lasts until the next auto zero, which is the next time you coast after at least 5 crank rotations. If you are riding outside and the temperature changes the compensation mechanism will adapt the zero continuously.

There are two scenarios what may have happened - not sure which one it could be:

1) as you stood on the pedals you managed to trick the auto zero mechanism by keep slight, but very steady, torque on the cranks through tension on the chain, affecting the zero. This is a very rare scenario, because the auto zero conditions are relatively strict

2) your trainer was affected in its resistance by the break. My Elite trainer, for example, exhibits a definite "warm up" and cool down characteristic where power for a given cadence will change.

Hope this is clearer :)

Cheers
Nicolas

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That helps a bit.

I suspect it had something to do with scenario 1, as I'm on rollers. The process of standing would have involved hold the front brake, while standing and balancing with the other hand against the wall. There would have been tension on the chain for sure while I was doing this.

I'll just have to keep this in mind for the future. I really need to get comfortable enough on the rollers to shift around on the seat without stopping.

Thanks.

I'm competing against my current fitness level, and planning to kick my a**!
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power2max wrote:
Dear slowtwitchers,

opening the official power2max support thread to help with any questions, issues, etc. Feel free to ask away!

Best
Nicolas from power2max

Hi Nicolas

Can you help me get the correct model? I need a PM for my 2014 Specialized Tarmac. The Power2Max guys that I spoke to over email suggested the FSA Gossamer or Rotor 3D, so I ordered the FSA. It arrived but it doesn't fit the bike: the axle diameter on the FSA is much too narrow. It looks like the Rotor 3D is also a 24mm axle. Please help to advise what will actually fit.

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Re: Official power2max support thread [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Rob,

sorry to hear that there has been an issue. Who did you email with? I found your order but didn't see any correspondence. Was it with the North America team?

It's possible to fit the FSA Gossamer using an adapter BB, but a 30mm axle would fit the bottom bracket that you already have. I'll PM you our contact details (just to avoid spam bots).

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,

First off, I wanted to say I love the product. I purchased a P2M Gossamer for myself and the wife a few months ago and have flawless riding since.

Just had a quick question on the battery life. I saw the expected hours online, but just wanted to get your advice on signs of needed replacement. The P2M is synced to a Garmin Edge 500, and I was wondering if the head unit will provide a "Battery Low" sign for the P2M? Or will I start to notice occasional power dropouts?

I am just trying to get as much use out of each battery as possible considering that I do not have easy local access to a replacement.

Thanks!

Alex Arman

Strava
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Re: Official power2max support thread [doublea334] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

great to hear you like your power2max :-). The Garmin does usually give a low battery warning. However, lithium batteries sometimes have a "plateau" above the warning voltage and then suddenly cut off. In that case it can happen that they just go. It has only happened to me once in very cold weather.

I would just get a replacement battery from Amazon and have it lying around - it's about less than $5. Please make sure you only use batteries from Renata - other brands don't fit reliably.

Cheers
Nicolas

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X3. Love my power2max. It just works.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Jjc=] [ In reply to ]
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Got my wife a P2M a couple of months ago and once we got the power drops figured out (switched from a Garmin 910XT back to a 310XT) she really likes it. I also want to thank Michael for the little 'extra'. Nice customer service! When funds allow, I am thinking of getting one for my QR Cd.01.

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Looking to purchase a power meter after the holidays. I have a stock 2012 B16 and want to replace the cranks as well. Would your Rotor 3D PM and cranks be compatible with my bike?
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Hi rjankin83,

thanks for your interest! Your B16 comes with a Megaexo bottom bracket. You can use the Rotor 3D or FSA Gossamer without problems on that - just remove the cranks and install our power meter with cranks.

Hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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Hi.

I'm about to order a power meter from you, but I'm unsure of the bottom bracket. The bike I got is a Planet X Stealth Pro with SRAM Red, and according to the Planet X website the BB I've got is a "BSA Threaded" and there's no such thing in your list of bottom brackets. Would love some feedback on what I should order, or if I need an adapter or something. Thanks!
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Hi Ironswede,

A BSA threaded frame goes under BSA68 on our site. Since you have SRAM Red on it at the moment you will have a GXP bottom bracket. Unfortunately that's a slightly different standard to what our power meters use and you need to change the bottom bracket. If you go for the FSA Gossamer I recommend the FSA Megaexo bottom bracket, in case of the Rotor 3D the Rotor BB1.

I hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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Can you do crank arms shorter than 165 on the Rotor 3D model and can you fit the Aero Qrings to the compact version?

Thanks
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Hi vikingmd,

currently the shortest version of the Rotor 3D is 165mm. We may get shorter versions in the future. Currently we have the Rotor 3D+ in lengths down to 150mm.

On the current model the aero Q-Rings don't fit without modification. The new Type S model (delivery from February) won't have this restriction.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately the 3D+ is not compatible with the Speed Concept bottom bracket.

What's the pricing going to be for the Type S?
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That's right - I ride the 3D myself on my Speed Concept.

The Type S is going to be $200 more expensive than the current model. We will keep both so you have the choice.

Best
Nicolas

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Hey Nicolas,

I ride a Specialized Shiv Expert with the below cranks:

175mm FSA SL-K Light
BB30
110BCD

Which current power-meter would work with this set-up? Will the new S-type work?

Thanks!!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Hi dyarab,

The SL-K light have an integrated spider, so unfortunately you can't install a power meter on them. On the current model the Rotor 3DF or 3D+ is the first choice. On Type S it's 3DF or 3D+ plus Spcecialized S-Works, Cannondale Hollowgram, and SRAM S900 BB30, Unfortunately, though, we won't stock those cranks, so you'd need to get them elsewhere.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Thanks for the info.
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Nicolas, is there any chance of any sort of Black Friday / Cyber Monday discounts? Thanks.

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I could tell you, but then... ;-). Nothing finalized. We will definitely have something exciting, though.

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I have my PM all up and running now, but I keep dropping cadence/power with my 910xt.

I tried moving it from my left wrist to right and it didn't seem to help. I then strapped it to bars near the brake hood and then it seems to hold the signal. Is this normal? Is there a way I can fix this?
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Hi healthynine,

does the problem occur indoors or outdoors? Can you please check which version of the firmware you are using on the 910XT? I personally also use it and don't have problems, so hopefully it's just a firmware update issue.

Best
Nicolas

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It's just been indoors since its been cold. I don't know my firmware version but I don't think its the latest one. I will try that.
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Power2Max:

I have a Trek 1500 with Shimano 105. Would love to buy one of your power meters for Christmas but I am not a wrench of any kind. Can you let me know what crank setup will work with my bottom bracket? Thanks in advance!

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@trisuppo: from the sounds of things you'll likely have a bsa threaded frame with an external bottom bracket. In that case you can go for the FSA Gossamer or the Rotor 3D. To double check best send us a picture of your bottom bracket area taken from below to support at power2max dot com.

@healthynine: thanks for keeping me updated. A good way to check reception is to use two units in parallel. If only one cuts out it's on the side of the recording unit.

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Hi all,

a quick announcement for all those who have been waiting: we will start accepting orders for the new Type S units from Tuesday 11am EST. We have secured a limited quantity from the first batch which is scheduled for February. First come first served. All models will be available:

With cranks:
- Rotor 3D+ / 3DF 110 / 130 / 110 Shimano 4-hole
- Rotor 3D 110 / 130 / 110 Shimano 4-hole
- FSA K-Force Light Megaexo 110 / 130 / 110 Shimano 4-hole

Without cranks:
Cannondale Hollowgram SI / SISL / SISL2
Specialized S-Works and FACT
SRAM S900
Rotor 3D
Rotor 3D+ and 3DF

Cheers
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,

I'm running a 53/39 (130mm) Rotor 3D+ Aero (NOT Q-Rings) on my P3 (http://www.artscyclery.com/descpage-RT3DPC3.html). Can the power meter be added to this setup without any modifications to the chainring?

I apologize if this has been asked already. I read through the other posts, but I only caught a few comments on compact aero or Q-rings.

Thanks!
Kyle

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Hi Kyle,

yup, no problems on the 130BCD at all. On the new Type S it doesn't matter anymore anyways :-).

Cheers
Nicolas

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Hi Kyle,

yup, no problems on the 130BCD at all. On the new Type S it doesn't matter anymore anyways :-).

Cheers
Nicolas

Great! Is the special Rotor tool something my LBS would have on hand if they deal with Rotor cranks all the time? Or is this something specific to the power meter that they wouldn't necessarily have?

Thanks again!

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Would you consider using an ant+ stick with Trainerroad and the 910 as using two recording units in parallel?

I downloaded the latest software to my 910 but it still drops power/cadence intermittently. I just started using TrainerRoad last week so I haven't had too many reps with it but I dropped power once with that today.

It seems when I have the 910 close to the pm and in one spot (not moving around like it is on my wrist) it won't drop.
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HI healthynine,

I honestly don't know about the ANT stick. From what I hear (but cannot verify) that they are not the best receiving units (as they also don't need to be). Mine, for example drops the data connection to my 910xt at times. I guess the idea scenario would be to use a Garmin Edge in parallel.

When the trainer road dropped, did it drop at the same time as the 910XT? How long did the drops last?

Best
Nicolas

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Would the non type s p2m fit aero q rings? 130 54/39 or would special modifications be needed
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Absolutely! Only the 110 are the ones that don't fit without modification on the existing unit.

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The drops aren't happening at the same time. Today with the 910 strapped to the bars, I didn't notice that it dropped at all. TrainerRoad dropped twice but it was only for a second. I will keep trying to isolate the problem and try to find a way to borrow an Edge.

The 910 when worn, drops quite frequently, otherwise it holds on fine. I guess I'm starting to think it may be my 910, but as far as I know, others aren't having the same problem.

Do you think a master reset would help anything?
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healthynine wrote:
The drops aren't happening at the same time. Today with the 910 strapped to the bars, I didn't notice that it dropped at all. TrainerRoad dropped twice but it was only for a second. I will keep trying to isolate the problem and try to find a way to borrow an Edge.

The 910 when worn, drops quite frequently, otherwise it holds on fine. I guess I'm starting to think it may be my 910, but as far as I know, others aren't having the same problem.

Do you think a master reset would help anything?

I'm having the same problem with a 910. I'll try and borrow a mates Edge and see if that doesn't drop.
Post back if you can isolate the problem.
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I also experienced the drops on my Garmin 510 and am working through it with Nicolas. I used TrainerRoad as well and saw similar drops on that too. Im waiting for a new battery arrive since the P2Max died and will do one more test w/ my old Edge 500.
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qngo01 wrote:
I also experienced the drops on my Garmin 510 and am working through it with Nicolas. I used TrainerRoad as well and saw similar drops on that too. Im waiting for a new battery arrive since the P2Max died and will do one more test w/ my old Edge 500.

New Renatta battery made no difference for me.
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I haven't read the whole thread so this may have been discussed already but it might help. My garmin 910 was dropping heartrate, foot pod, bonty cadence, power tap, and power2max... Everything. I had garmin warranty it last week. I got the new one and same problems. I usually stream netflix on my ipad with my Bose sound link (Bluetooth) on the treadmill and on a music stand in front of my bike while on the trainer... All out in my garage. 2.4ghz Wifi and ant+ don't play well. I changed to a 5ghz wifi freq for my ipad. Problem fixed. No drops. If you are close to a router, or have a lot of devices constantly talking to your router, then (I think) the ant+ devices will keep dropping when there is a collision, and reconnect on a different freq. You may have some sort of crazy faraday cage house that amps radio freqs... I dunno, probably not. But, stopping your router from broadcasting on a 2.4ghz and only on a 5ghz wifi signal might fix the problem. The downside is that you might have to get a new router capable of 5ghz and that, I think, not all devices can receive those freqs. If this is all irrevelant to your problems, please disregard ;).
Ryan
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This might be helpful. My bike is about as far away as possible from the router, but it still isn't terribly far. Unfortunately it's too cold to just try an outdoor ride.

I will have to try a test ride with the router off to see if that does anything. I'm not familiar with 5gHz so I'll try no router first.

What's interesting is if I get the 910 close to the powermeter and it doesn't move around (strapped to the bike), it works fine. Perhaps all this is doing is reducing the effect of interfering signals.

Thanks for the suggestion!
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healthynine wrote:
I will have to try a test ride with the router off to see if that does anything. I'm not familiar with 5gHz so I'll try no router first.

What's interesting is if I get the 910 close to the powermeter and it doesn't move around (strapped to the bike), it works fine. Perhaps all this is doing is reducing the effect of interfering signals.

Thanks for the suggestion!
No problem. Dual band routers broadcast in 2.4 and 5ghz freq ranges. The "no router" option is the simplest Gordian knot solution... I would agree that if there is an interference issue that the closer the 910 is to the p2m that the better it will work. I'm assuming the device's antennas have a built in squelch which is probably getting broken by interference. Think of it like going on a road trip. You start to lose your radio station and pick up another. Neither are clear. Or intelligible. You go a little further one way or the other and your good to go on one or the other but not both. The frequency spectrum is a pretty busy place and low power (like ant) usually loses out to high power (like wifi).
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healthynine wrote:
I will have to try a test ride with the router off to see if that does anything. I'm not familiar with 5gHz so I'll try no router first.

What's interesting is if I get the 910 close to the powermeter and it doesn't move around (strapped to the bike), it works fine. Perhaps all this is doing is reducing the effect of interfering signals.

Thanks for the suggestion!

No problem. Dual band routers broadcast in 2.4 and 5ghz freq ranges. The "no router" option is the simplest Gordian knot solution... I would agree that if there is an interference issue that the closer the 910 is to the p2m that the better it will work. I'm assuming the device's antennas have a built in squelch which is probably getting broken by interference. Think of it like going on a road trip. You start to lose your radio station and pick up another. Neither are clear. Or intelligible. You go a little further one way or the other and your good to go on one or the other but not both. The frequency spectrum is a pretty busy place and low power (like ant) usually loses out to high power (like wifi).

Mine works fine indoors but has this problem outdoors
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No clue about possible problems outdoors. The Garmin tech I talked to didn't seem too surprised that the radio in the watch might be bad. If it's still under warranty, I would try getting it replaced.
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Thanks for your insights HereForThe Shirt. I can echo what he says. We almost only get reports of drops from people riding indoors. Many houses are very "busy" around the 2.4GHz band, which can wreak havoc on the receiving side. I, for example, have a 2.4 Ghz mouse, router, ANT+ dongle, etc. However, I never have problems with my Edge 800. Why the 910XT is different I can't tell - maybe the antenna is smaller due to the physical size or some other factor along the lines, but I am just speculating.

Best
Nicolas

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The 5G signal doesn't travel through walls as well as the 2., which may help. It also may just be far enough from ant+ though! I don't know anything about ant+.
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A 2.6 ghz difference in freqs is more than adequate spacing to prevent interference (600mhz difference). The watch's antenna shouldn't even "see" a 5ghz signal. I think the problem arises when your ant device (like a p2m) is broadcasting @ say (hypothetically) 2.450ghz (2450 MHz) and your router is broadcasting to a device close to you or with enough power to drown your ant signal at like 2.452 ghz (2452 MHz). In my mind, a 2 MHz spacing difference should be more than adequate (especially as how tenths, hundredths, and thousandths of a MHz are distinguishable by many radios) but it appears it's not? Also, it looks like each wifi channel as an affective freq width 22 MHz wide. Which is crazy to me. I'm not going to get into the power issue because it's way to early for milliamps, watts, dbm, and Ohm's law. Plus, I need to get to the pool. Keep in mind that I'm not an engineer nor particularly science savy but I have a lot of experience working with radios. If any engineer is reading this, and I'm I'm really off track, my apologies. There's a reason why FM is referred to as "F@cking Magic". Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't... There's like magic crystals in there vibrating and pumping out cadence, power, and heart rate... And porn or my little pony or w/e on your tablet...

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HereForTheShirt wrote:
Also, it looks like each wifi channel as an affective freq width 22 MHz wide.

It depends on the 802.11 flavor that's being used. 802.11n can support a 40 MHz width. Because it can be ~2x as wide, you can squeeze in 2x the data in to that window. This is called Channel Bonding. The problem is that in the 2.4 band you only have 3 non overlapping channels, and bonding uses 2 of them.

http://www.lmi.net/...timizing_802.11n.pdf
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/...ode-in-24-ghz-part-1
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Well I powered off the router before my ride just now, but I don't think it did much good. I had the same issues. That being said, my PC is picking up 15 other signals. My neighbors aren't that close, but apparently their wifi signals travel pretty far. Most of them are weak signals, but there are a few that come in pretty strong.

I may need to line the walls with aluminum foil or something to make sure my 910 isn't having a problem (other than getting interference) or just wait until I can ride outdoors. It works just fine when mounted the the handle bar, but that isn't a long term solution.

When I'm feeling like trying it, I may move the trainer into the basement to see if that helps "block" some of the wifi signals I'm getting.

I'll update then...
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healthynine wrote:
It works just fine when mounted the the handle bar, but that isn't a long term

If it works on the bars, why not just get a qd kit and bar mount? I've never tried to ride with my 910 on my wrist but I'm sure it would be a PITA.
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I have a mount but it is hard for me to read while riding. I usually have the face of the watch on the inside part of my wrist and I can easy read it while aero. I can easily use the mount indoors and read it while sitting up but otherwise it is too difficult to read.

I'll figure something out.
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You shouldn't have to band aid fix a $1K+ power meter or $400 dollar watch. I can understand the frustration because I have similar issues with my Rotor Power cranks. I race with my 910 on my wrist and edge 500 on the bars so I can actually all my pacing data.
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801pe wrote:
You shouldn't have to band aid fix a $1K+ power meter or $400 dollar watch. I can understand the frustration because I have similar issues with my Rotor Power cranks. I race with my 910 on my wrist and edge 500 on the bars so I can actually all my pacing data.
I agree. You can only troubleshoot for so long. If I tried to fix it and still had problems, I'd warranty one, the other, or both.
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Hi folks,

just a quick note to let you know that we are working with healthynine to pinpoint it exactly and to get him training solidly indoors :). Will keep you posted.

Cheers
Nicolas

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I ordered the wrong size cranks, so I'm switching out the new cranks now. The problem is that the non-drive side crank is stuck. The darn thing just won't come off, even though the bolt is loose and the other is out. It's a carbon bike, so I don't want to start banging on it too much with a rubber mallet. Any suggestions? I lubed it before I installed it, so that's not the issue. My crank puller doesn't work with this style crank,either. Not really sure what to do now.
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Hi jl2732,

remind me, which crank model are we talking about?

Best
Nicolas

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Rotor 3D, but never mind. I got it off....I just pulled harder. It seems like a really tight fit compared to the other one.
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Hi,

it's important that you open the screw that tightens the left crank arm onto the spindle only the 1.5 to 2 turns that the manual specifies. If you try to unscrew the bolt all the way it destroys the bolt (it's a special design).

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicholas,

Exactly right. And since the Rotor pinch bolt not only closes, but also opens the crank, opening the bolt too far can distort the crank, effectively tightening it a bit onto the spindle.

Bottom line: there is a medium point of loosening the bolt that makes removal easiest.

Cheers,

Damon Rinard
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CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)
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Yeah, I know about the bolt tightening restrictions. Here's what happened in more detail: I got the old crank off, no problem, switched the power meter and chainrings onto the new drive side, but didn't tighten the lock ring down enough. When I got everything on the bike, the chainrings were wobbly so I had to take everything back off again. The new non-drive crank was hard to get on AND off AND back on again, and I had the bolt the same as the one that came off easily. I think it's just that crank that's being difficult. Anyway, with enough pulling and light tapping with a rubber mallet, I got it off. More mallet to get it back on once the lock ring was tight enough, and everything is good to go...I hope. We'll see when I get my first crack at riding with power this weekend.
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Several Questions:

1. Im trying to decide between getting a P2M in the next few weeks or possibly waiting for the Type S to be shipped out starting Feb. I would like to start training asap and save a few hundred dollars but what do you think the difference in delivery time will be between the 2. to texas. If I order the regular P2M..this week....how long will it take for me to be riding on it?

2. Im riding a Shiv Comp. So i believe that I should order Rotor 3D+ BB30 130bcd. Is this correct?

3. Are the Aero No-Q rings available for purchase through your website as a package deal?

"WHEW...I really regret that workout!"..............Noone
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Hi Cojo,

the Rotor 3D+ is in stock and ready to ship. If you order now you will get it before Christmas - though at this time of year it's always a question of how the postal services cooperate. The Type S will ship in February.

2. Yes, the Rotor 3D+ is a great choice for the Shiv. The BCD (130 or compact) depends on the gearing you want to have.

3. The two options available as a package are the Praxis Works and the BOR. The No-Q aero are not in our standard program, if you would like us to order them for you, please contact us :-).

Best
Nicolas

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I've just been swapping emails with the support staff (Michael) from Power2Max and have been very impressed with their responsiveness and helpfulness. Just throwing that out there in case any of you out there are considering their PM (as I am). So far, I am very impressed.
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Hey Nick
Looking to train with power and everything is a bit confusing as to what works with what. So here's what I have and what P2M will work for me.
I have a 2013 Felt B-12 with front and rear Ultegra derailleurs and a Vision TriMax Pro TT Crank with a BB30. The crank is 110 BC with 52/38 chain rings. What do you have to offer me that will work. I guess I'm asking, what do have that works and can I use my Vision chain rings. Enlighten me. I plan on buying a PM in January.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [triitagain] [ In reply to ]
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@323Runner: thanks for the feedback, happy to hear things worked

@triitagain: On a BB30 crank like the Felt B12 the best option would be to go for a BB30 crank like the Rotor 3DF or 3D+. You can also go for the cheaper FSA Gossamer Megaexo, but then you would need to use the adapter bottom bracket, since it's a Megaexo crank (24mm axle, not 30mm).

Regarding the Vision chain rings: they are full aero chain rings: on power2max Classic it would need to be cut out in the area of the battery compartment to fit. On the new Type S model you can install them without any modifications. One thing to keep in mind is that chain rings wear over time, so if you have ridden a good amount with your bike since you bought it you could think about changing the rings and taking advantage of the Praxis Works upgrade we offer, for example.

I hope this helps - feel free to ask any other questions you may have!

Best
Nicolas

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A Bergstrom Technologies 110 BCD compact to 144 BCD adaptor which will allow me to use my Power2max road chainset on the Track. :)



it looks pretty sweet TBH.








All together!

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Very cool!

Btw, we have a 144BCD version in the works. Then you can move your 110BCD back to the road bike ;)

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power2max wrote:
Very cool!

Btw, we have a 144BCD version in the works. Then you can move your 110BCD back to the road bike ;)

good news..
I have a road PT on a HED Jet 6, a track PT and i'll be getting a loan of a DA 53/39 SRM this season so i'll be able to do some back to back comparisons on how it performs ont the road & track against the PTs
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I just want to say so far I am really impressed with the response. I have asked a lot of question by email and you have answered every question, no matter how trivial.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Official power2max support thread [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks all for the feedback, it's great motivation :-).

Wishing you all good holidays and a great start to 2014!

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Just got the SMS from my local importer - my power2max is ready and waiting for me at the bike-shop! Picking it up on the way to training camp tomorrow. Top notch service.

ZONE3 - We Last Longer
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Haven't put my PM on yet as I'm waiting on a bearing swap, but as far as customer service goes, these guys are as good as it gets..

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Just bought it, pesky fraud prevention delayed it a little bit.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Nicolas..I have a P2Max on my Tri bike but am now building up a new road bike and am looking at options.

If I have a FSA Gossamer Crank (BB30) can I but just the power meter and install it on the FSA Gossamer ?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [CBJFan] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Unfortunately not, as the FSA Gossamer that's not specifically made for us has an integrated spider, which means you can't install the power meter. For bb30 the Rotor 3D+ or 3DF are great cchoices.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Very cool!

Btw, we have a 144BCD version in the works. Then you can move your 110BCD back to the road bike ;)

Great news

Which crankset will 144 BCD power meter compatible with ?

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Morten,

We are looking at a Rotor 3D and 3D+ version. Auto zero will be disabled on these models.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

We are looking at a Rotor 3D and 3D+ version. Auto zero will be disabled on these models.

Best
Nicolas

It's also damn hard to use auto zero on the velodrome :-D

Cool, is it the Road version of 3D or Track version of 3D ?

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

We are looking at a Rotor 3D and 3D+ version. Auto zero will be disabled on these models.

Best
Nicolas

loe us know if a software update will be available to allow the auto zero to be disabled on existing P2M Rotor 3D models for track use.
Cheers!
Merry Christmas!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [moonshine] [ In reply to ]
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Hi moonshine,

we are not planning to do that because the auto zero is extremely useful to ensure you always get precise and consistent data. The auto zero works extremely reliably and you always have the option to do a manual zero if you feel it's necessary. Having it disabled might degrade user experience if the user accidentally disables it or forgets to zero manually.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,
Merry Christmas! :)
thanks for the reply. I donít think not being able to turn off the auto-zero will be an issue unless the P2M tries to auto zero when being held in a start gate or against the barrier before a start when there is load on the crank which would cause the PM to zero with load on and therefore under read.

Iíll get a better idea if it works OK on the track as is or if the auto zero causes a problem when i get back on the track in the new year & iíll report back.

All the best,
Gerry
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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My wife gave me a P2M for Christmas, but didn't realize I needed chainrings. Is there a way to get the Praxis chainrings without returning the unit?

I'm anxious to get started using my power meter.

Thanks
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Re: Official power2max support thread [dooley] [ In reply to ]
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Hi dooley,

I see you have been in touch with us over mail - I hope we resolved the situation to your satisfaction.

Best
Nicolas

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Excellent response and response time. It's my wife who purchased this for me. We've sent the whole system back for the chainrings and the crank exchange. Too bad clearing customs takes so long. I was really hoping to get this on my bike this weekend, but I can wait a few weeks while the system is exchanged for the size I need and the chainrings. I'm so looking forward to this.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [dooley] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Nicolas
If I change from standard Rotor rings to Q-rings do I need to send the unit back for any reason??

Phil
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Phil Hodson] [ In reply to ]
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@Phil - No need to send the unit back when swapping rings. P2Ms do not need calibration when swapping. I've swapped Q-rings and standard. No issues.

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Hi Nicolas,
A few questions please.

1. When will the track specific version of the powermeter be ready to buy please?
2. Can an SRM PC7 computer head unit be used with a Power2max powermeter please?
3. How often does the powermeter need re-calibrating? SRMs need to be sent away for this purpose, is the same necessary for P2Max?

Thank you,
John W
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Re: Official power2max support thread [johnny senna] [ In reply to ]
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@Phil Hodson: rbrnut is correct - you can change chain rings to your heart's content without any problems.

@johnny senna:
1) I can't give an exact date for the track version yet, but it will be this year, likely before mid-year.
2) Unfortunately you can't use a PC7, because it uses a proprietary protocol.
3) Our power meters are designed not to need recalibration. We guarantee the calibration for the duration of the warranty (2 years). After about 5 years it would be good to check it using a stable reference (e.g., a steep climb of at least 300m vertical ascent). However, it should not change. You can send it to us for a factory calibration, but it's not necessary.

Best
Nicolas

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Thank you.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [johnny senna] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Nicolas,

i'm currently looking at buying a secondhand set of P2M cranks. How do i tell if they are the newer model with the temperature compensation? its an online purchase so i can't physically look at them.

thanks

Anthony
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Roamingriders] [ In reply to ]
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i donít think there is a physical way to distinguish / check whether the crank has the temp compensation included as i think it was a firmware update?
If you can get hold of the s/n (inside manual) or a build date / order receipt then P2M may be able to tell you if it was build pre/post temp compensation update or have a record of it being returned for the update.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [moonshine] [ In reply to ]
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re track conversion.

I completed a 40min turbo session at approx 280w on my track bike with the converted track P2M and my track PT a couple of days ago - in general, the 2 PM tracked very well - the P2M typically read 6-7w (~277w) LESS than the Track PT (~284w) inc a 30s stop to see if an auto zero kicked in - in a final 3 min interval the track P2M power was within ~1w of the Track PT.
Chain tension might be the reason - iíll need to play with it a bit more & gather some more info.

I converted the track P2M back to road setup and today, i did an hour at 250w with 5min at 320w with the road P2M and my road PT SL+ and the 2 were within 2W, across the 5 min intervals. the Road P2M reading slightly MORE than the Road PT.

There appears to be a bit of variability in short term averaging. I understand the PT broadcasts power each second, but it seems to average out very close as the interval time extends and this might be a relict of how the garmin and joule record / process the PM power data.
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Place an order, not here yet and I have a couple questions. I was going to pay somebody to do it, but I have all the tools and am pretty mechanically inclined. My only problem is all the different BB30 formats.

I ride a Shiv with an OSBB integrated bottom bracket. The instructions for the Rotor 3d+ say the following:


ONLY NEEDED WITH BB30 FRAMES (BEARINGS ARE
PRESSED DIRECTLY INTO THE FRAME).
IN PRESS FIT 30 FRAMES THE CUPS REPLACE BOTH THE
BEARING AND SEAL.





I hate instructions like this, since it assume a lot of knowledge the average person doesn't know. From what I have read, but not in these exact words, the OSBB are press fit cups. So

DO I NEED TO USE THE BEARING AND SEAL THAT COME WITH THE CRANK?


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Official power2max support thread [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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Hi TheForge,

the seal on the bearings is usually already installed on the OSBB bearings. On a BB30 bottom bracket you need to put the seal on the bearings. A simple way to check if everything is in order is when you have removed the existing cranks and have the bearings in front of you whether they are covered by a rubber or plastic seal or whether you have the bearings right in front of you.

The Rotor 3D+ doesn't come with bearings - you either get a BB30, PF30, BBRight or OSBB bottom bracket with it.

I hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Nicolas - can you tell me how the p2m handles non round rings - like osymetric - yes i do know the problem of difference in velocity - however I am mostly looking at averaged power; are those number stable and repeatable?
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So it comes with osbb bb. I was never asked this information, or are you saying the rank normally does if you buy it separately?


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Official power2max support thread [R2] [ In reply to ]
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@R2: non-round rings work without problems - consistent and accurate. We sample pour 50 times per second (50Hz).

@TheForge: the cranks and bottom bracket are sold separately. If you have a bike with an OSBB that is running a BB30 crank the bottom bracket is already installed. You just need to remove the existing cranks and install the cranks with power2max.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Oh and just a quick FYI for those who haven't sen: our boxing day specials are running out tonight. Details on our page.

Best
Nicolas

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Just a quick question? Which MegaExo BB will fit my Cervelo P2? I assume BSA68 but not 100% sure.

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw that I won't need to change the BB. I'm already using a Shimano BB.
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Thanks Nicolas; last questin as you might have seen Rotor is introducing new cranks for 20114 - do you think your spider would work with the new ROTOR 3DD+

thank you
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Re: Official power2max support thread [R2] [ In reply to ]
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Hi R2,

yup, the spider interface is unchanged - our power meters will continue to work with the Rotor 3D+.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

I am using a p2m for last year and very happy with it,I want to fit shorter cranks,I'm running rotor 3D
175mm at the min with aero Qrings and going down to 160/165mm, is there any prob with this ? I have the tool to swap the spider and I was just going to order shorter cranks and stick them on if that will do the job ok ?

Cheers Noel,
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Zipp] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Noel,

glad to hear you are happy with your power2max :-). Absolutely no problem at all with that - actually I will try the same thing myself to see if I like it.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Got it and installed it. Seems to be working great. My only concern, and I predicted this, there are always pieces that are not in the instructions. After removing my FSA Crank, there were three seal rings. This crank came with what looked like one. I kept the main seal that was directly on the bearing, but swaped the second one for the one that came with the crank. I didn't even keep the third as it was only on the non-drive side, and warped.

I'm assuming it should be between the spacer and bearing and not the spacer and crank arm. This is probably to specific, but indulge my OCD. Either way, everything is well greased. And it appears to be smoother than my FSA Gossamer was.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Cheers,I just wanted to be sure,I have cranks on the way now anyway, is there any prob fitting QXL rings on bikes ? I have a 2014 SC 9.9,I'm thinking of giving them a shot to see what there like,

Cheers Noel,
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Re: Official power2max support thread [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Sounds like your former FSA cranks were using a wave washer to set the bearing play. You have the Rotor 3D+, right? There the play is set via the screw on the non drive side.

The other two seals are to cover the bearings.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Zipp] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

The QXL compact needs to be modified to fit the classic model. With Type S this is not necessary.

Best
Nicolas

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On the occasion of Polar's announcement of their V800 Bluetooth-Smart enabled Tri-Watch I'd like to ask:
How are things looking in terms of Bluetooth Smart for Power2Max?

if you can read this
YOU'RE DRAFTING!
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Hi Nicolas,

I have a Rotor 3D with p2max and OCP-3 chain rings as it is a 110 compact. I'm wanting to pair this with a Di2 6870 FD, is there any problem using this electronic FD with these asymmetric rings and I assume they are suitable for 11 speed sets?

Many Thanks.
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@flogazo: no plans for bluetooth smart for the moment, but I will pass it on

@eso.flucius: no problems there. I personally run Q-Rings with Di2.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Great.

Many thanks for your prompt response.

Ps had my p2max for well over a year now and it has NEVER let me down. I've used it on my road bike in terrible rain (the Lake District on the UK) for the winters as well as in the freezing cold. I also use it on my TT bike, and did the Norseman on it this year, it didn't skip a beat in the shocking weather we had on the bike either.

Can't praise it enough.
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You can use the Viiiiv heart rate monitor to acquire ANT+ from a power meter and rebroadcast it as Bluetooth LE signal.
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Thanks, very glad to hear you're happy with it :-)

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looking forward to getting mine, only a classic on rotor 3d cranks bvut hopefully reliability will be improved over my previous PM. With luck the fun will begin all over again on friday here when my Q-rings get bolted on.



be quiet Tom A.....



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Ordered mine yesterday, a Rotor 3D Type S. I'm going to run it with QXL rings and 155 arms. I only wish I could have ordered the rings at a discount through you guys. I am pretty excited.

Rich Byyny
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Re: Official power2max support thread [vikingmd] [ In reply to ]
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Great to hear you'll be a Power2Max owner soon Richard! You won't be disappointed, it is a rock solid product. 155 crankarms? Wow, have you ever used those before or will this be the first shot? I'm curious on what that feels like.
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Russ I have been riding the 155's for about a month. I was previously on 165's. I didn't notice any difference in power or pedaling mechanics. However, I effectively lowered my front end 2 cm with equal hip angle. I went 1 cm higher on saddle height and dropped 1 cm in front.

The debacle with power at Kona was a major driver.
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I'm impressed with the level of support provided by this forum! It's one of the reasons I am (hopefully) buying a p2m meter in March.

I didn't see it anywhere else in the thread....is it possible to send in my Rotor 3d+ cranks and have the PM installed and sent back? My LBS doesn't have the tool, I don't really want to buy it, and I don't like the idea of messing around with vices and giant wrenches.
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Hi dangle,

I would recommend having the tool, especially for the Classic version, as in some cases the cranks need to be removed when removing chain rings. In the end it's cheaper to have the tool handy than to send the cranks - and you don't lose riding time.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas,

First off, thanks for the quick reply. Thanks for the recommendation too.

I will be going for the 130bcd/classic and possibly switching between my Osymetric and standard rings occasionally. My crankset comes off anytime I need to switch out pads (BMC Time Machine), so that's not a new process. I'm not sure how having the spider removal tool would be useful for taking the cranks off and on. Wouldn't the PM/spider stay put unless I wanted to put it on a different 3d+? Please don't take this as me disagreeing with you, I was just curious if there is something I'm missing here.
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Hi dangle,

don't be shy to challenge, I'm not offended at all and should have given a better explanation. In some configurations the battery compartment gets in the way of removing the chain rings with the cranks in place. This of course only holds for the classic version, with Type S this isn't the case.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas,

Thanks for your help. The Type S looks pretty sweet, but I may stick with the classic.
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Hi Nicolas,

Thank you for all the support that you are providing through this forum. I would like to select the best power2max configuration for my next bike and total weight is one important selection criteria for this specific build.

I am trying to evaluate total weight for a Type-S for Cannondale Hollowgram, 110BCD, including 175mm cranks and spindle, and how it would compare with the following configuration:
  • "Old" P2M for Lightning cranks, 110BCD, including 175mm cranks and spindle (567g acc to p2m website, correct)
  • Type-S for Rotor 3D+, 110BCD, including 175mm cranks and spindle (622g acc. to p2m website, correct?)
  • Type-S for FSA K-Force Light, including 175mm cranks and spindle (586g acc. to p2m website, correct?)

Could you please also clarify if I could match the Type-S p2m for Specialized with a Lightning crank? And if this combination works, what would be the total weight?


FYI: frame has a PF30 bottom bracket, and I will be using a Chris King PF BB, and Praxis 52/36 rings.

Thanks in advance,
Andre
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Hi Andre,

the lightest combination I am aware of is the Type S with Specialized S-Works arms. Unfortunately I don't have the total system weight on hand, but it was pretty damn light :-).

Btw, that's what I will ride on my road bike once I get one from production ;-).

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas

I am currently riding a Cervelo S5 and am seriously considering a Rotor 3D+ Power2max. My current focus is on triathlons so I'm leaning towards a 165mm crank arm. However, I also do some group rides and may do some crit racing in the future and would probably want a longer crank arm. Do you guys offer for sale just the crank arms?

Roger
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Re: Official power2max support thread [oldgoldtri] [ In reply to ]
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Hi oldgoldtri,

we don't sell crank arms by themselves outright, but if a customer has a power2max and needs new crank arms because his are damaged or he wants to change length we can definitely help out!

Best
Nicolas

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Thank you Nicolas,

Your Pasculli Altissimo is turning out great. Please weight the crank+p2m before assembling it to the bike. That would help me a lot!

Andre
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Hi Nicolas,

Could you please confirm for me which P2M unit will fit my Rotor 3D+ AERO crankset? It has the 30mm spindle but has the 3D style lock nut at back for keeping spider on.

I can't see an option for 3D+ P2M but with the 3D tool for fitting on?

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Lord Nelson] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Lord Nelson :),

the 3D+ unit will fit the 3D+ aero crankset. The 3D tool is different from the 3D+ tool, please order the 3D+ tool with it - the lock ring on a 3D+ has a larger diameter due to the greater axle size.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks for quick reply Nicolas.

The 3D+ tool wont fit my crank i'm sure. For some reason it looks like it has the 3D locknut on it.

You can see the style of crank here (mine is identical) and shows an image of rear of crank and spider/nut.

http://www.artscyclery.com/...escpage-RT3DPC3.html
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Hi Lord Nelson,

I am triple checking, but by the information I have the 3DF you are referencing has a special lock ring that is thicker than the standard lock ring and replaces the drive side spacer. The 3D+ tool still fits, even if the lockring looks different. We have tested this one at the factory. A 3D tool can never fit on a 3D+ since the diameters differ.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Just curious...

I got my FSA Gossamer PM just after Christmas and I have been riding on my Couputrainer.

I've been letting it coast down to do a zero and I was wondering if the spindown was enough time for it to autozero or if it needs more time.

It doesn't appear to be drifting at all but I was just wondering on the timing.

jaretj
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power2max wrote:
Hi Lord Nelson,

I am triple checking, but by the information I have the 3DF you are referencing has a special lock ring that is thicker than the standard lock ring and replaces the drive side spacer. The 3D+ tool still fits, even if the lockring looks different. We have tested this one at the factory. A 3D tool can never fit on a 3D+ since the diameters differ.

Cheers
Nicolas

Ah I see. Thanks very much for speedy response and clearing that up :-)
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Hi jaretj,

2 seconds coasting is enough to get the system to do a new zero. To be extra certain just coast for 5 seconds and you are certain has been redone. You are safe in anyways since the temperature compensation handles any zero changes in between coasting.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,

Quick question about 'zeroing' in a race (triathlon) scenario please. If I zero the settings on my Garmin 800 that is paired with my p2max on racking my bike (the day or morning before a race), will I be able to just jump on the bike out of transition, turn on the Garmin, and be confident that the wattage I see is accurate without having to 're-zero' it again?

Thanks in advance.
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wouldn't a short coast as you leave transition trigger a re-zero? at a pinch, spin the cranks when you reach the bike on the rack, the the run out of the compound might be enough to trigger the re-zero?



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@esox.flucius, slide control:

the auto zero kicks in every time you coast, so during a typical bike leg you will have tens if not hundreds of new zeros. You should be fine with the coasting during the run to mount line or when you put on / tighten your shoes on the bike. I usually switch on my bike computer before the race, do a zero just to be uber-sure and that's it.

Cheers
Nicolas

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question; if i have lets say rotor 24 p2m can i put it on rotor 30mm spindle? (same for lets say sram gxp to bb30)
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Hi R2,

good question.

On a Rotor it's not possible, since the Rotor 3D and 3D+ have different interfaces. On SRAM cranks it is, since the interface is identical between GXP and BB30 cranks.

Best
Nicolas

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is there any reason why my P2M is taking a fair bit longer than before to calibrate when i start my Garmin 500 up?
Iím wearing my HRM as i know there is a delay / problem with gamins calibrating with PTs if the HR strap isnít worn.
It used to give the ~-862 zero figure quickly (within 5-10 sec) but now it is taking > 45 sec - is this symptomatic of a problem such as a low battery?
Thanks

Gerry
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Hi moonshine,

no, there should not be a reason from the power2max side. The only reason I could think of is if the system is not unloaded (without pressure on the pedals). Did you recently update your Garmin firmware?

Best
Nicolas

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hi Nicolas,
Thanks for the reply.... nope - iíve not updated the garmin FW and the bike is completely stationary and unloaded - it is on the turbo & Iím not even on it -
Iíll replace the HR battery first of all and see if that solves it and then iíll replace the P2M battery (iíve a stack of renata batteries ;) Cheers
Gerry
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One thing you should check is that the power2max has woken up. turn the cranks one turn to make sure it's awake. After a few seconds it's ready to receive the signal to report the zero value.

Best
Nicolas

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I'm looking for some opinions/information on the reliability of the P2M. I have a 2011 P2, and recently added at Powertap G3 to it. I haven't been able to ride 3 consecutive times without some issue, and I am now on the second hub and 3rd cap. I've upgraded the fw, and worked for over a month with Cycleops to get this thing working - no joy. I am looking at the P2M as an replacement, and I understand that it's a pretty simple swap for the Cervelo. I just want to avoid the type of reliability issues I've seen with the Powertap. Appreciate any thoughts folks might want to share!
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I got mine over christmas.....never had a powermeter before and was worried about my lack of knowledge. the P2M was put on...I paired it with my 910xt...and have not had a problem since. I am happy.

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Nicolas,
I have tried to find the answer to this in the thread but no joy.
With the zero offset when coasting, how does this work indoors? Does it cut in when I coast on the trainer, as I find it difficult to not apply any torque to the pedals when on the trainer during coasting.
If it only zero offsets when the torque is stable does this mean it would NOT cut in?

I ask because sometimes I notice after I have coasted and re-started that the numbers just don't seem right, so I manually offset and they come back in line. What would happen if you started pedaling just as it was zeroing offset?
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Hi Marcell,

if you are on a trainer and the wheel is coasting (i.e. the hub is making noise) then there is no pull on the chain, hence no torque, and the auto zero will work. If you are on rollers doing a track stand then it is possible (though unlikely) that you will "beat" the algorithm. Can you tell me in a bit more detail about how you coast? I have trouble picturing how you are coasting with torque on the cranks - sorry if I'm being slow.

The auto zero works when you coast at least 2 seconds (ie the system is unloaded for 2 seconds) and don't turn the cranks during that time. If you start pedaling again too early it won't zero. To be on the safe side I recommend waiting 5 seconds, then you are absolutely sure the zero is being made.

I hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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Thank you for the reply Nicolas.
What I mean by applying torque on the trainer is that the pedals are not unweighted, you are putting some weight through them, obviously not your full bodyweight unless standing out of the saddle. Does that make sense?
I always thought that to manually zero I would have to be unclipped with feet off the pedals. Is this wrong?
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Hi,

My battery just died on my p2m, I remember reading somewhere that you should only use renata battery,I am going to order one now off the p2m site,I picked up a energizer CR2450,will this keep me going till the renata battery arrives ?

Cheers zip,
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Zipp] [ In reply to ]
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The regular 2450 battery seemed to work fine on mine and is still going strong!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Marcell_S] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

we don't recommend other batteries because other brands are a little thicker and don't fit well in the battery holder. This can damage the battery holder. Unfortunately the manufacturers apparently couldn't agree on how to implement he standard.

Please ONLY use Renata batteries on the Classic model.

Best
NIcolas

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I've just installed my new Rotor 3D P2M, but I've got a feeling that I've already screwed up the o-rings.

As far as I can tell there should be:

one on the drive side, this comes already pressed into the crank
one on the non drive side, this gets put on the axle just before the non drive side crank
one already in place on the non drive side cap, this is much thicker than the other two

Is this correct?

Thanks for your help
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Hi cambridge_dixie,

can you mail me a picture of the third o-ring (the one on the non-drive side cap)? I just held a Rotor 3D crankset in my hands but didn't see such an o-ring. The email is support at power2max dot com.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas,

If I order a Gossamer meter with Praxis rings, does it show up as an assembled unit (ie, rings bolted to the crank) or will I need to chase down some chainring bolts and do this myself?

Thanks,
S
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Power2max - Campagnolo Record edition

What thats, new power meter for Campagnolo Record 11 speed ?

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@uphillsgood: yes, you will receive it with the chain rings installed, the chain rings are included.

@tillquist: man, you are quick :-). Yes, we are very happy and proud to announce that we are equipping Team Movistar this year with Type S for Campagnolo cranks. Unfortunately I cannot say yet if this will be available for the after market.

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power2max wrote:
@tillquist: man, you are quick :-). Yes, we are very happy and proud to announce that we are equipping Team Movistar this year with Type S for Campagnolo cranks. Unfortunately I cannot say yet if this will be available for the after market.

It could be cool if there was an alternative to the SRM/Campagnolo power meter.... :-D

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Agreed :-)

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power2max wrote:
Unfortunately I cannot say yet if this will be available for the after market.

Damn, it would be nice for us Campa-enthusiasts to be able to run a full Campagnolo-groupset AND have a powermeter that (hopefully) would still be affordable.

Please consider making this available for the crowd, thanks :-)
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Hi MrSommer,

we are of course doing our best to make it happen. The power meter for it is ready :).

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Just curious what it would take to move my P2M FSA Gossamer on my Cervelo P2 classic using the BSA68 MegaExxo BB to the new Cervelo P2 with BBRight BB. Are there any adapters I can use?
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Hi sp1ke,

you would need the Rotor 4624 bottom bracket for BBRIght. I will double check to be 100% sure - we haven't had that case yet. The axle length is fine.

Best
Nicolas

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Interesting as I might do that too.

jaretj
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Hi Nicholas,

Close, and a rare exception to your otherwise spot-on technical advise. :-)

Because of the slightly larger diameter for FSA cranks (24mm plus a tolerance; Shimano is 24mm minus a tolerance), the Rotor won't work.

FSA offers a similar concept BB, with dimensions in the bearings to match their crank.
The FSA BBright PF30 to MegaExo BB is what you want.




Cheers,

Damon Rinard
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Thanks Damon, you're absolutely right!

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Nicolas

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Hi Damon,
I see the new P2 comes with an FSA crank. Is that mounted with adapters for BBRight or is it a custom crank?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [sp1ke] [ In reply to ]
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Hi sp1ke,

The crank on the new P2 is a custom for BBright. It has the oversized 30mm spindle and fits the 79mm wide BBright bottom bracket shell. Asymmetric, stiffer, lighter!

Cheers,

Damon Rinard
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats Michael, Nick, and everyone else!
That was awesome to hear.
WELL deserved!!
-YT
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Y-Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Nicolas: Thanks for info.

Last question. Can I use a set of Shimano 105 5700 chainrings on the Gossamer crank? I have a brand new set and it'd be nice to be able to use them.



Regards,
S
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Re: Official power2max support thread [uphillisgood] [ In reply to ]
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Nicolas,
I was happy to see that P2M is now an option for DA-9000 users. It looks like if I want to use my Dura-Ace chain rings, my option is to get the Type S with Rotor 3D. I have a standard english BB. Do I need an adapter to use these cranks and if so, does it come with the unit?
Thanks.
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Hi,

Looking for a power2max for my Cervelo S2. Sorry I am new to this. I think it has FSA Megaexo which is the BSA style correct? I see the bearings that look like they are on the outside. I don't need to get a new BB right? I am just looking at the power2max with FSA gossamer crank. Will this work on my bike? I am trying to learn all of this before I buy to make sure that I don't get the wrong one.

Thanks for your help,

Andrew
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From Power2max North America Facebook site

Good news for Campagnolo lovers:
we just got confirmation that we will be able to offer the power2max Type S Campagnolo 11-Speed!
We will have both 135BCD and 110 Compact (Campagnolo format)! Pricing is being finalized, availability will be from May.

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi guys,

first of all, my apologies for the late answers. I simply missed the notification. My bad.

@Y-Tri: thanks :-)
@uphillsgood: yup, you can use the 105 chain rings without problems.
@ptourkin: that's right, you can use the Rotor 3D in the 4-bolt configuration. No adapter needed to install it in a Dura Ace bottom bracket.
@amccabe: if you have an S2 with FSA cranks and an external bottom bracket you can use the FSA Gossamer model without problems.
@Tillquist: thanks for sharing!

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks for the help, I got it fixed without emailing.

I was also wondering: If I'm doing a solid block of 45(ish) minutes on the rollers, would you suggest freewheeling a few times during the interval to prevent drift? (given a 10-15 min warm up prior) If so, how long and how frequently might be best.

Cheers
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Hi cambridge_dixie,

no need to freewheel during an interval. I usually freewheel once after the warm up, but even that is not strictly necessary. Your power2max won't drift, because the zero gets done automatically every time you coast for more than 2 seconds and if the temperature changes between each time you coast the temperature compensation mechanism takes care of things.

If you are indoors on your rollers and haven't just brought in your bike from the cold the zero offset will remain unchanged. If you keep your bike in the cold and train in the warm (or the other way around) I would recommend coasting after about 10 - 15 minutes just to be extra safe.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,

I'm considering a power2max for use with 2 bikes running Shimano Dura-Ace 9000:

- Bike 1, uses standard BSA threads with external Shimano Dura-Ace 9000 cups
- Bike 2, curently uses a Trek BB90 pressfit SRAM GXP bearing kit (I plan to install Shimano Dura-Ace 9000 on this bike)

I'd like a lighter crank, but it seems the following could be a good solution as I need BB90 compatibility:

- power2max Type S Rotor 3D
- 110mm Shimano 4 bolt

3 questions 1 assumption:

1. I need to get Trek's Shimano bearing kit for the BB90 bottom bracket

2. The images on your site show Rotor's 2013 cranks, will the Type S ship with Rotor's 2014 cranks

3. I will use my existing Shimano Dura-Ace 9000 chain rings. Do I need a chain ring bolt kit or can I use the Shimano supplied bolts.

4. Will the drive side Rotor crank arm be mounted to the power2max or do I need the Rotor lock ring tool

Thanks,

Greg
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Hi Greg,

Thanks for the structured question, makes it a breeze to answer :):
1) Correct
2) We still have the 2013 cranks, as we receive 2014 later as an OEM customer. Sorry about that.
3) You can use the Shimano bolts
4) We can install it for you

The Rotor 3D 4-bolt is just about to come available at the factory, but it being a specialty item we haven't ordered many of it yet, so earlier ordering will get it faster during the stocking up phase - apologies for that, but with about 25 new variants it takes a while until all stock is in place.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Thanks Nicolas. Regarding availability what kind of timelines do you expect?
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Hi Greg,

the Rotor 3D 4-bolt is among the first to become available. If you order now it should be with us in one to two weeks and then go straight to you.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hello,
I was recently training in lanzarote and one of the days my garmin edge 500 displayed the message that "Powermeter battery is running low". it was surprising as the power meter was only 3 months old, I changed the battery for a new one and went training again. the following day the same message was shown on the screen, again i got a new battery and installed it and went training, 2 days later i see the same message again. I have a funny feeling that the power meter is continuing to transmit even when my ride is over and is draining out the battery. what made me think this was it was when I turned on my garmin about an hour after training and it immediatly came up "power meter detected". any thoughts on this would be great?
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power2max wrote:
Hi Greg,

the Rotor 3D 4-bolt is among the first to become available. If you order now it should be with us in one to two weeks and then go straight to you.

Best
Nicolas

Any word on when then Rotor 3D Compact Type S will be shipping? I ordered back in December.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [vikingmd] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

We are eagerly awaiting the first shipment, which should hopefully arrive next week. Once we have them we will ship out right away.

We'll keep you posted!

Best
Nicolas

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Great news!!
I was just about to ask the same question ;-)

Phil
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Question about batteries. How long should these last? Just changed mine couple of months ago and this morning it died midway through the session. They usually last me > 6months.
Also, I thought the battery indicator light should come on or turn red but that never seem to happen.

Thanks.


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Hi 3Dealz,

normal lifespan is 400 hours. If you travel a lot with your bike or ride in cold conditions it can be lower.

Best
Nicolas

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I have a Garmin 500 that I am using with my P2M unit. Do I ever need to manually calibrate with the 500? I did it the first time just in case and while it took a while, it worked.
I removed and re-installed the crank yesterday and thought I would manually calibrate again, but it won't show a value. The power meter is detected and will show power/ cadence numbers, but it won't manually calibrate. I have tried a few times, even leaving it for a couple hours, but it still won't pull a value. It just stays on the calibration screen with blanks until I back out of it.

This manual calibration may not even be necessary, but I thought I would double check.
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Hi smon,

there is no need to perform a manual zero (what Garmin calls "calibration"). Every time you coast for more than 2 seconds your power2max will do it.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks!

3 minute response...not bad
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Sometimes I get lucky - I just saw it come in :)

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Hey Nicholas,

Now that you are sponsoring team Movistar with a Campagnolo Type S Power2max, I was wondering, will this be available to the public too, and is there a timeframe there? Also, I'm assuming Campagnolo owners can use their existing cranks as long as they're Ultra Torque?

Thank you for your response.

Thomas

edit: my apologies I just saw that this was already addressed in the previous page.
Last edited by: snaaijert: Feb 7, 14 6:12
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Re: Official power2max support thread [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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No worries,

timeframe still is May. From Monday you will be able to reserve a unit. Unfortunately you can't use an existing Campagnolo crankset because the spider is integrated. You can use existing Campagnolo chain rings, though.

Cheers
Nicolas

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curious which power meters will be compatible with my 2011 Cervelo p2 (mega exo BB). Interested in the Type S Rotor 3D or FSA Gossamer, my research says they should be compatible but thought I would check before pulling the trigger.
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HI davetheharris,

both are compatible. My personal advice is always to take the Rotor if it's within your budget because it's such a nice product and you will have it for a long time. But you can't go wrong with either.

Cheers
Nicolas

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official power meter of Movistar Team
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I am looking to get my first power meter soon. I'm strongly leaning towards a Power2Max for a variety of reasons. I like the fact that the compact S series has no issues with aero rings. However, I'm having trouble finding info on other advantages of the new S series over the original model. Is there a good website comparing the two in detail? My searching has not been overly successful.

Also, for anyone who has or purchased an S series, what was the main reason to do so if you had a choice between it and the original model?
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@paddyclk: first of all sorry that I missed your post. When you changed the battery, did you use a Renata? If it's another brand that could be at the source of the quick emptying, because other brands can create false contacts.

@Bo: we have put together a little guide on our site - you can find it here: http://www.power2max.com/...sic-selection-guide/

Hope that helps,

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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Do you sell the ANT+ to Bluetooth Smart converter?

"Base training is bull shit" - desertdude
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Hi thirstygreek,

sorry, no we don't. I haven't tested it either, so couldn't tell you if it works well or not.

Best
Nicolas

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any hopes of a BT offering?

"Base training is bull shit" - desertdude
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Hi thirstygreek,

nothing planned for the moment, but we will keep an eye on it.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
http://www.power2max.com/northamerica
official power meter of Movistar Team
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Nicolas,

Do you have the Type S Rotor 3D (165mm) cranks in stock, or what's the estimated lead-time? Also, the Praxis chain rings are available in the 110mm Shimano 4-hole configuration, correct? (I don't see them offered on the Praxis website)

Thanks,

Scott
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Thanks for the response. Purchased one in red and loving it!
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@WiScott: We are receiving units next week to fill pre-orders and I expect the 110 and Shimano 110 will be available a week or two later. The Praxis Works chain rings come in the "normal" 5 bolt 110 pattern, not the 4-bolt.

@amccabe: glad to hear you are enjoying your power2max!

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
http://www.power2max.com/northamerica
official power meter of Movistar Team
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I'm about to pull the trigger on a Type S Rotor 3D in 110 BCD. If I order now, will this be fulfilled by the shipment coming in next week?

EDIT: I am in the UK.
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Hi iamby,

for the UK please order through our European shop. The lead time for those models is 2-3 weeks at the moment.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
http://www.power2max.com/northamerica
official power meter of Movistar Team
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Recently my power2max has been have issues with intermittent reception. About every 3 minutes power and cadence data cuts off completely from my power2max only to come on 30 seconds later. Any ideas about what's going on?
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Hi Cajer,

could you please share details on what unit you are using to receive data? Make, model and firmware version would be great. Also, have you been using it inside or outside when you had the issue?

Best
Nicolas

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I'm using a Garmin Edge 800 with the most recent firmware, 2.70. This has been a recent issue, and as it's been below freezing I haven't been outside. So it has been having issues inside though I don't know how it will behave outside.
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Hi Cajer,

can it be that the battery is getting old? I have had the effect that the battery cuts out and comes back - lithium batteries can be a bit erratic when they get to the end of their life - it can happen at times that they cut out without the low battery warning having come on.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
http://www.power2max.com/northamerica
official power meter of Movistar Team
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I'll try replacing the battery and come back if it still has issues.
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Hi. I'm wondering about availability. Specifically I may be looking for a power2max Type S Rotor 3D F power meter with cranks, 170mm, 110 Compact, Praxis Works 52/36 chainrings, and the BBRight bottom bracket. Are those in stock now or is there a wait/preorder?
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Hi michael_runs,

we are getting the order in today (customs permitting), but they are all going out to pre-order customers. I expect the first 110s for the 3DF to be available in about 2-3 weeks, but we are doing our best to get them as fast as possible.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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Nowadays, with all the social media that exist, we consumers sometimes quite quick to criticize companies if they do not live what we want.

But I would like to give Power2max all the praise they deserve. I have rarely met a company with as high a service that they have. They are quick to answer the mail if you ask a question and Nicolas from North America department is quick to respond here on the forum, both on weekdays but also on weekends.

I have owned a Power2max power meter ever since they started selling them in Europe and I owne 3 of them now and is super happy for them and waiting for the 4 a Type S to FSA K-light.

It was my word for today.

Have a nice day out there :-)

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Thanks Morten, you are very kind. It's very motivating to hear if what we do is well received.

For our European customers - we have just activated PayPal payments. It took a while but finally it's there. Thanks for your patience.

Best
Nicolas

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official power meter of Movistar Team
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I apologize if the following questions are covered in the user manual. The only manual I could find on the North American website is in German. Is there an English version for the Type S?

Regarding the zeroing process, I have several questions...

1) With my previous Quarq, they inferred that the calibration (zero) value be somewhere between -1000 and 1000. Is there some range that it should be in, roughly, with the Power2Max Type S?

2) With my previous Quarq, they said that pre-ride zero value and post-ride zero value shouldn't differ by more than 50 points for the entire ride. Assuming you are on an indoor trainer and do no coasting which would result in an auto-zero on the Power2Max Type S, and assuming little to no temperature change during the indoor trainer ride, is there a particular drift range that would be considered unacceptable similar to the 50 for Quarq?

3) With the previous Quarq, I believe they said 1 "unit" of zero value was roughly 0.25 watts at 90rpm. Is that comparable on the Power2Max Type S?

4) Are there certain things you need to be conscious of when riding a Power2Max Type S with regards to the auto-zero? For example, if I coast, do I ned to be conscious about how much pressure my feet are putting on the pedals/cranks? Do I need to have "light" feet?

5) In the same line as #4 above, sometimes when coming up to a stop, or riding over railroad tracks, etc, I may be coasting but standing up on my pedals. Thus the entire weight of my body is on the pedals/cranks. Does this pose a problem for the Power2Max auto zero process? Would the unit auto zero in this instance? If so, would the value differ than if I were sitting and coasting with very little pressure on the pedals?
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I apologize, I just realized the manual is for German, English, and French. I believe most of the zero questions still stand though. Thanks!
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Hi Michael,

let me answer your questions in turn:

1) Nope, the number does not have a significance.

2) We don't give a recommendation here, because with the auto zero and temperature compensation, you are well protected against possible temperature related changes in the zero. The risk of a "false positive" - ie you being concerned about a difference between two numbers that was caused by a change in temperature more than anything else, is too big.

3) One unit of offset is usually in the range of 1.5 watts. But again, it doesnt really matter because it gets compensated.

4) As long as you don't have tension on the chain (ie you're coasting and not stopped) you're good

5) Nope.

Hope this helps,

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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official power meter of Movistar Team
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Thanks for the answers. With regards to the coasting auto-zero, I am still a bit unclear on something. Will it auto-zero if I coast while standing up (lots of pressure on the cranks)? Will this zero be the same as if I were seated with little-to-no pressure on the cranks while coasting?
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Ordered a 130bcd type S for rotor 3d+ a week or two ago. Any idea when those will ship out?
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@michael_runs: No, that doesn't make a difference, since standing up doesn't lead to torque on the spider.

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Hi avmac,

unfortunately these will be the last to arrive due to sequencing. I am enquiring to see when we will receive the first shipment.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
http://www.power2max.com/northamerica
official power meter of Movistar Team
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Also anxiously awaiting estimated shipping. Placed an order yesterday for a 110BCD Rotor 3D+ Type S yesterday.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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HI Michael,

as mentioned in our exchange I expect 2 to 3 weeks for you at this point - I know it's hard but thanks for your patience :).

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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Love my power2max, but I gave that bike to my son and bought a p5-3 and want to get power2max for it. Need some help with details....

I want type s rotor 3d plus road with 175mm cranks, 53/39 praxis chain rings.

I think I need to specify version 130mm classic with bbright bb. Okay so far?

A friend suggests I need to ask for some sort of "collar" so that the stock crank works with the spider. No idea what that means.

My p5-3 is totally standard with no changes.

Any advice on specifics when I order?

Thx
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Jjc=] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Jjc,

Yup, that's right the Type S for Rotor 3D+ 130BCD is correct for the 53-39 chain rings. Since your P5-3 already has the Rotor 3D+ cranks you simply need the Type S sensor and the installation tool.

I think what your friend referred to is the lock ring. On the Cervelo spider they have made the lock ring wider so that you don't have separate spacers, like on the cranks that are sold separately. You can use this lock ring with your power2max. The only headache - sometimes - is that it is very securely installed, i.e. with a lot of Loctite. If you put the special tool in a vise to provide a stable base you should still be able to open it.

The Rotor 3D+ 130 is the last version to come in - we are expecting the first units of this version in about 2 to 3 weeks.

best
Nicolas

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power2max
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Hi Nicolas

Ordered a 130BCD, Rotor 3D type S with 53/39 Praxis Rings this afternoon. Delivery to NYC. Any idea on the lead time for these at the moment - is the 3 weeks or so that seems to be the normal answer at the moment or something else?

Thanks
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Hi lachlan,

that's the likely timeline at the moment, though the factory is working extra hard at the moment. Fingers crossed it's going to be faster.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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Looking good :-)

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Hi Nicolas /Power2max

Is the new track power meter to normal Rotor 3D/3D + cranks or is it for Rotor 3D Track crankset?

// Morten

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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Morten,

the two are the same once you remove the spider - so both :).

Best
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

the two are the same once you remove the spider - so both :).

Best
Nicolas


Are you 100% sure, for the Rotor web site is Q-factor is not the same.

Rotor 3D = 148mm http://rotorbike.com/...ad/versions/3d24_237
Rotor 3D Track = 147mm http://rotorbike.com/.../track/3d24-track_62


Because I'm about to buy a Rotor 3D Track crankset, but should be able to use your power meter track when it comes on the market.

So I might as well buy the right cranks now.

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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I'll double check and will come back to you.

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Hi Morten,

you were right - they are different. The track version has a different mount (with screws instead of a lock ring). We use the road version, though, because the geometry is pretty much exactly the same and the road version is much more widely available.

In the 3D+ version there is no official track version, so we are offering the only possibility there :).

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

you were right - they are different. The track version has a different mount (with screws instead of a lock ring). We use the road version, though, because the geometry is pretty much exactly the same and the road version is much more widely available.

In the 3D+ version there is no official track version, so we are offering the only possibility there :).

Best
Nicolas

Thank you.

So your track power meter will be available for both Rotor 3D and Rotor 3D + crankset?

Which one do you recommend for Track?

I have a set of ceramic speed bearings that fit Rotor 3D (24mm axle)

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Morten,

yup, both versions will be available.

The Rotor 3D+ is a bit lighter and stiffer with its bigger axle and has more crank lengths available. The 3D is a bit quicker to take off the bike if you want to change crank lengths. Both good cranks, in the end I would decide based on the whole package. Michael, our resident bike pro and track rider uses the 3D+.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

yup, both versions will be available.

The Rotor 3D+ is a bit lighter and stiffer with its bigger axle and has more crank lengths available. The 3D is a bit quicker to take off the bike if you want to change crank lengths. Both good cranks, in the end I would decide based on the whole package. Michael, our resident bike pro and track rider uses the 3D+.

Best
Nicolas

Hi Nicolas
Just one last question. I have seen that the rotor also makes a 3D30 version which looks like 3D + much.

Will I be able to use track power meter on Rotor 3D30 crankset?

Rotor 3D+ http://rotorbike.com/products/road/3d_236
Rotor 3D30 http://rotorbike.com/products/road/3d30_238

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Hi Morten,

3D30 is the new name for the 3DF, which is the forged equivalent of the 3D+. They are interchangeable, except the 3D30 is forged and a bit heavier.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

3D30 is the new name for the 3DF, which is the forged equivalent of the 3D+. They are interchangeable, except the 3D30 is forged and a bit heavier.

Best
Nicolas

Thanks

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Nicolas,

I wanted to post a follow-up to my order and use thus far. My order was shipped in a very timely fashion and I received it in about five days (Canada to US). I ordered the Rotor 3D+ with Praxis rings and I am very pleased with the fit and finish of both and the performance of the power meter. My use thus far has only been indoors with TrainerRoad and it has worked quite well and proven to be very dependable.

I am very pleased with the overall transaction, product experience, and support you provide here on Slowtwitch. The Rotor crank is a very nice upgrade for my bike and coupled with the Power2Max, I think it's a great value.

Roger
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Mine's been working flawlessly through the Georgia mountains for the last two days :)

jaretj
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Hi Nicolas

When do you expect the Track power meter becomes available.

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Morten,

we are doing final validation tests, then we will put it up for order. I expect within the next month.

Best
Nicolas

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I'm considering replacing the BOR 50/34 chainrings on my FSA P2M with Praxis 52/36. Is this pretty straight fwd, undo the bolts replace the rings ...or is there anything else I should consider?
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Hi sp1ke,

yup, that's about it. If the chain ring doesn't fit over the battery compartment you may have to remove the crank arm first (6 small bolts). Please make sure your Praxis Works chain rings are correctly aligned to ensure best shifting performance.

Best
Nicolas

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power2max
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I'm currently awaiting shipment of my ordered Compact 110 Power2Max Type S, Rotor 3D+, PraxisWorks 52/36. I believe you said the entire unit would come assembled. If for whatever reason I needed to send the P2M back in for service, could I simply buy the $50 Rotor 3D+ spider from your site and have my LBS install that in place of the P2M unit so that I could continue training while the P2M was being serviced?
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Hi Michael,

yes, that's right.

Cheers
NIcolas

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Nicolas - just want to verify. I have the Rotor 3d+ with the MAS. This spider is removable to work with the P2M that I just ordered, correct? Thanks.

Rob

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Hi rbrnut,

yes, that's the case.

Cheers!
Nicolas

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I have an email into you support@power2max.com and a contact off the website. Is there a comms problem ?
Last edited by: kesam: Feb 27, 14 7:02
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Quick question, I know that the unit will come assembled (P2M, cranks, chainrings). Will everything be torqued down to spec so that my LBS can simply install the cranks on my bike as they would any other assembled crankset?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [kesam] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Kesam,

I am just working through support emails. When exactly did you email us? Tough to link the user names with real names at times.

Thanks
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Michael,

yes it comes assembled. Just need to install the battery.

Best
Nicolas

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Emaile evening of 25th taylor.??@gmail.com
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Re: Official power2max support thread [kesam] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Kesam,

found it and replied. Thanks for following up.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Thanks Nicolas
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Hi Nicolas

I just got FSA K-Light crank set + Type S power meter, but there was no paper saying how much Nm the 6 Torx screws must be tightened.

Can you tell?

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Morten,

sorry, it's usually on the calibration certificate which is not on the online version.

2 to 3 NM, that's all that's needed.

Cheers
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
Hi Morten,

sorry, it's usually on the calibration certificate which is not on the online version.

2 to 3 NM, that's all that's needed.

Cheers
Nicolas

Thank :-)

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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is the Type S the only option for Specialized arms? Also, is the lead time on the order page accurate (2-3 weeks)? Thanks.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [dl33] [ In reply to ]
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Hi dl33,

yes, the Type S is the model of choice for Specialized cranks - the Classic didn't work with them.

Yes, we are looking at a 2 to 3 week timeline for the Specialized models as of today.

Thanks and best
Nicolas

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Nicolas,

I may not have been specific enough in my question, since I previously got a different answer.
I currently have Dura Ace 9000 cranks on a Chris King standard 68mm external bb. Can I use this BB with a TYpe S PM with Rotor 3D Plus or do I need the Rotor BB? Thanks for the clarification, I'm ready to pull the trigger.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [ptourkin] [ In reply to ]
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Hi ptourkin,

If the DA9000 fit in the CK bottom bracket the Rotor 3D will fit, too, but the Rotor 3D+ will not. The 3D+ has a 30mm spindle and the Rotor 3D a 24mm spindle, like Shimano.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Nicolas,

Is anyone from P2M going to be at the Toronto Bicycle Show this weekend?

Dave
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Re: Official power2max support thread [djmercer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Dave,

unfortunately not, sorry.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Just received my Type S! Just have two questions. Any tips for getting the round screw covers off? I couldn't get them off with just my fingers. Also, should there have been some kind of calibration certificate included? I didn't see one.
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michael_runs wrote:
Just received my Type S! Just have two questions. Any tips for getting the round screw covers off? I couldn't get them off with just my fingers. Also, should there have been some kind of calibration certificate included? I didn't see one.

I also just installed my Type-S power meter and could not remove the screw cover with my finger.

I used a small screwdriver to pick them up.

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Did you have a calibration certificate?
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michael_runs wrote:
Did you have a calibration certificate?

No, not on Type-S

But I have on the frist Classic Power2max i got back in 2011.

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Hi Tillquist, Michael_runs,

if you don't manage to get the rubber plugs out with your fingers you can use a set of narrow pliers.

The calibration certificate is glued on the box on the first shipments.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Thanks, found the sticker on the box. I'll try the pillars when I get my bike back from the LBS.

On another note I'd like to say thanks to Power2Max for excellent service. All of my questions have been answered and the Type S unit was delivered to my house less than 2 weeks after I placed my order when I was told to expect shipment in 2-3 weeks. First ride will be Monday night. Can't wait.
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Thanks Michael - enjoy your Type S and send us a pic of your bike :)

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Hi ptourkin,

If the DA9000 fit in the CK bottom bracket the Rotor 3D will fit, too, but the Rotor 3D+ will not. The 3D+ has a 30mm spindle and the Rotor 3D a 24mm spindle, like Shimano.

Best
Nicolas

Ordered today, your excellent responsiveness was not a small factor in my decision. Thanks
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Thanks ptourkin!

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Hi,

For the new type-s, I am in need of a battery compartment o-ring....

Are they a standard thing I can find a Lowe's or some other big hardware store (the website has parts for the older model only).

Also, as a precaution, can you share the formal size of the screws and the rubber plugs or perhaps put kits/parts on the website for the type s.


Thanks.


Jeff


(great product btw)
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Hi Jeff,

we'll put them on our site in the coming days and I'll find out if they are standard parts or special ones. The material is resistant to the elements, so it's not your run of the mill o-ring.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Awesome!

On battery install...the ring likes to take a flier... :)

Three of these and wow, so easy to install with the tool. Huge climbing early season group ride in 45m...looking forward to seeing how the thing records my efforts.

Thanks for the great product and support. On all bikes and it actually even gave me aero spiders .... lol.

Big smiles.


jeff
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Hi Jeff,

post a pic on our Facebook page, keen to see your setups!

Cheers
Nicolas

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Just placed my order for a Rotor 3D based crankset, looking forward to receiving it! This goes on my 2009 Cervelo P2 which has a Shimano BSA bottom bracket - nothing else i need, correct?


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Type S on a road bike with 50+k miles on it...and a my tt bike since this is a tt/tri group.


On the 75 miler road roller today, it was superb. I love the L v R balance data. Synced imediately with the 810. I took my time installing it today and cannot say enough. Very simple process, lightweight, and it feels very well made. Perfect fit. No issues with shifting or pedaling. No noise. Fit perfectly with the crank. Very well done graphics and finish work. Low rotating mass. Thank you for the great sales and shipping support. It was appreciated.

( Aside -To the group, in the 110mm size, I have used both aero and non-aero Q-rings and find the aero to be a better shifting option (more material ... stiffer) so it is what I have on all my bikes...q -rings exacerbate the issue of course. Had 130mm pre-p2mtS and felt that going all 110mm was the way to go. I found having the tool mandatory as I already had cranks on bikes - it is on their site. )

Once you have the battery cover o-rings, battery screw cover plugs, and battery screws on your site for the type S, I plan to get a bunch.


Jeff






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Hi cobble,

just checked your order and you're good to go. We'll assemble it for you, so you don't need the installation tool.

@jcb_memphis: sweet bikes! Enjoy your new Type Ss! We'll contact you about spare parts kits.

Cheers
Nicolas

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@Jeff and all interested, here are the specs for the small parts of the Type S:

Battery cover screws: M2x5 flat head, ISO7045
o-ring: 25x1

Both the o-ring and the plugs are not generally available, the plugs are specific.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas, as this might become a common theme, can you toss a spare o-ring and maybe 2x screws into the order I made yesterday? Just as a suggestion, as it's a near-zero cost item in the grand scheme of things, automatically include a spare o-ring and a few screws in everyone's order!

Thanks,
Dave Mercer
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Nicolas,

I placed an order on 2/24/2014 for my crank powermeter, order # 200480. Could I add a Rotor 3D crank tool to another order and still recieve $ 15.00 discount on tool? Any update on order would also be appreciated.

Dennis

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Hi

I notice on the box of the power meter there is a warning re in correct torque tightening of the battery compartment. I don't have a torque meter for such a small screw, does anyone (Nic of P2M or other users) know whether just 'nipping' it twist tight will be ok or not? I would rather not buy a torque wrench for just this as my other suffices for all other jobs.

I realise Nic, you probably can't officially say "it's ok to just nip it up" as it is a potential warranty issue, but maybe how much affect or impact this compartment tightening has on the power meter would give an insight into the delicacy or not.

Thanks.
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@warrenroadie: sure thing on the tool, I'll update you on the order via email, just saw that.

@themusette: Just tighten it with 2 fingers until you feel the resistance has increased. The reason we have put this is that some users think tighter = better and overdo it, ripping out the threads.

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Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas

Thanks. Perfect. Looking forward to my first ride on it, looks great on the bike. Just waiting for my battered ankle to fix then off I go.

Thanks again.

ian

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Hi Ian,

hope you get healthy again soon. Saw your site and that you're into photography - make sure to post a pic of your bike on our FB page :)

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas

Cheers.

I am not on FB anymore, but I will gladly send you an image for your FB page (drop me an email to have your email address) - as long as you give a credit for it; gotta try and earn a living still and it's either project management or my photography...or both ;-)

Thanks again for the guidance.

Time to watch your team in the breakaway in Tirreno Adriatico - Alex Dowsett of Movistar on the charge.

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hi, will the magnet installed for a Quarq interfere with the P2M? I have a type S for Specialized arms on order. Would like to keep it on there for now. Thanks.
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Hi dl33,

no, it shouldn't, but I have never tried it.

Cheers
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Nicolas are the orings for the standard p2max the same as with type s? Reason I ask is my son has my old p2m and I have type s.
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Hi Jjc,

the o-rings are different. We have both on our website now.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Power2max just came in yesterday and I installed it last night. Easy install- can't wait to test out tomorrow! Thanks!
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For those in the US who have received their p2m, how long was it in transit and how long did it sit in US customs?
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Ordered mine on a Friday and arrived the following Thursday. Spent 24 hours in Chicago customs.
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1 week from leaving Vancouver and arriving in Texas. Spent about 1-2 days in customs.
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Thanks, guys!

Coincidentally, it cleared customs today after about 2 days in customs at ORD.
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bdcheung wrote:
For those in the US who have received their p2m, how long was it in transit and how long did it sit in US customs?

Same here. 1 day in Customs and a week to delivery in San Diego. Got mine today.
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Still waiting for mine to ship. I feel like kid waiting for Christmas as I watch my inbox for the shipment email.
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Hi Nicolas,

I received my order today and there were some mistakes. While I had ordered a 110mm BCD spider with 52x36 rings, I received a 130mm BCD spider with 53x39 rings.

What is the best way to get these mistakes expeditiously resolved?

Regards,
Brian
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Hi Brian,

sorry about that. emailing you now to resolve.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Brian,

getting back to you via email. Sorry about the mixup.

Best
Nicolas

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Once you have installed the type S is there an easy way to change the battery? Does the battery compartment cover come off at all or is it necessary to remove cranks/rings to gain access from the back side of the slot?
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Hi Mnrunner,

on almost all frames you can change the battery with the cranks in place. Just rotate them into the right position so that the ducts for the screws are accessible. So far I only know of one frame (older Cannondale Super Six, around 2011 or 2012) where the bottom bracket gets in the way.

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Maybe the Shiv needs to be added to that list - neither myself or the guys at the LBS can get access without taking things apart. Any Shiv owners out there having the same problem? Here are a couple of pics of my '12 Shiv Pro:






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Received mine today, the integration of the powermeter with the Rotor crank looks very nice I'd say. Installation was easy, when i took my existing crank off i noticed my BB was shot so i replaced those as well.

Only made it a bit more difficult than i had to when pairing by leaving my powertap wheel in my bike so my garmin was finding two powermeters. Wheel out, put it in another room, waited a bit, tried again, bingo! Looking forward to my first ride this week, where I'll use both powermeters for comparison.


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@MNrunner: good to know. Luckily it's only about once or twice a year (depending on how much you ride). The hidden screws also have the advantage that if you damage something it's only the battery cover, which is easily replaced.

@Cobble: Enjoy!

Cheers
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Very nice picture!

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power2max wrote:
Hi ptourkin,

If the DA9000 fit in the CK bottom bracket the Rotor 3D will fit, too, but the Rotor 3D+ will not. The 3D+ has a 30mm spindle and the Rotor 3D a 24mm spindle, like Shimano.

Best
Nicolas

Hey Nicholas, upon attempting to install the 3D+ with the Rotor BB for BSA we found it to be too tight a fit in my Holland Exogrid. It's rubbing against the wire for the Di2 rear derailleur and will cut through it. I will have to use a crank with 30mm spindle and arrange an exchange. Just a heads up to others
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Hi,



I have a Specialized Shiv Tri Module and am looking to add a powermeter. Which of your products would fit the frame, am looking at the type S.

Regards,

Martin
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Hi TriMartinNorway,

any of our Type S that are compatible with BB30:
- Specialized S-Works
- Cannondale
- Rotor 3D+ / 3DF
- SRAM S950

I would go with the S-Works - fits your frame perfectly and is very light and stiff.

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Last week my PM cutoff a few times for as much as 20 seconds. In my race today it cut on and calibrated as usual. After a mile went to zero and didn't turn on until about 20 minutes. Looking at the data it appears pm turned on sporadically. Is this a battery issue? According to what I read the battery should still bet good based on usage. Since nobody has renata locally. I'll have to order.


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I installed my rotor 3d type s tonight, very easy, except now the crank wont spin freely. I followed all the torque specifications but even when loosening everything it still doesnt spin freely, and the non drive side wont come off...help...!
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How do you mean the NSD won't come off? Did you not use the second threaded ring on top of the torqued bolt to back the NDS out? That's what that second threaded ring is for. You thread it in on top of the main bolt, then just back the main bolt out and it pulls the NDS off as it backs out.

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I screwed in the lockring to the 5-6nm recommendation then the pinch bolt to 7nm (again to the recommendation) to secure the lockring from moving. When I losened the pinch bolt and removed the lockring the non drive side still wouldn't come off.

In hind sight and after some googling it appears you only tighten the lockring to the point that there isn't any play on the crank and then adjust the pinch bolt to secure it. This wasn't clear in the manual provided by rotor, at least to me. Regardless I brought it in to the local bike shop to see if they could get this setup for me.
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Sorry, I had it backwards. The spindle is attached to the NDS versus the DS. I was thinking it was the other way around. Anyhow, the DS is where the Alloy Bolt and Drive Side Nut are and that's how you get the NDS off, by removing the DS bolt against the nut. You can then remove the NDS and spindle assembly.

Dave
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Oh ok, I'm sure the bike shop will figure it out but that's good info for the future. Appreciate it.
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I screwed in the lockring to the 5-6nm recommendation then the pinch bolt to 7nm (again to the recommendation) to secure the lockring from moving. When I losened the pinch bolt and removed the lockring the non drive side still wouldn't come off.

In hind sight and after some googling it appears you only tighten the lockring to the point that there isn't any play on the crank and then adjust the pinch bolt to secure it. This wasn't clear in the manual provided by rotor, at least to me. Regardless I brought it in to the local bike shop to see if they could get this setup for me.


Yikes, the non drive side cap should only be tightened ~ 1NM to take up the play so that's what is causing the extra friction. The bike shop will have no problem getting things right.

http://www.rotorbikeusa.com/...d_manual_8-18-10.pdf

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yeah, I combined the 1nm with the 5-6nm when I needed to adjust the pinch bolt between those steps. Glad the bike shop will be able to fix it :).
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Hi,

I just received my power2max a couple days ago, had my second ride and the power was inconsistent. I emailed support. Is their no phone number to call you guys directly?

Thanks,

Eric
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Hi Nicolas,

My Types S will arrive soon and I had a couple of questions regarding cadence.

I currently have a Garmin GSC 10 speed/cadence sensor on my Cervťlo road bike and a Bontrager DuoTrap Digital Speed/Cadence Sensor located in the non drive side chain stay of my Trek Tri bike. I'm using a Garmin Edge 500 head unit.

1. Is cadence data always supplied by the p2m i.e. the Garmin Edge 500 will ignore the input from the Garmin and Bontrager cadence sensors?

2. I assume that if cadence from the p2m is used to calculate power then cadence data from the p2m is preferred from a data integrity perspective when analysing files post ride?

3. I've not tested it but the Edge 500 appears to have the ability to specify the connected speed/cadence sensor as speed only i.e. turning off the cadence channel. Would it be a good idea to do this in your experience?

I've never liked the Garmin GSC 10 so this could be a good excuse to replace it one of the more elegant speed only ANT+ sensors from Bontrager:-)

Thanks,

Greg
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1. Correct
2. Correct, again.
3. In my experience this does not work. the Garmin wont find a combo sensor if you specify speed only, or cadence only. You have to choose speed/cadence to make it pair.

I personally don't even bother with a speed sensor. Outside the Garmin will use gps for speed, inside it is irrelevant since you are training with power.
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Sorry guys, seems like some questions slipped by me. Sorry for the late answers:

@theForge: sounds like a battery issue. I have had mine cut out as it died - with cold weather it can go quicker.

@davetheharris: yes, that's right, the NDS bearing play bolt should only be tightened till the play is gone.

@elag: just called you, on it, hopefully we'll resolve it shortly.

@GregW: I have the Duotrap on my Speed Concept and just use the speed magnet. It works fine with the power2max. I am not sure what the Garmin would record if you had the cadence sensor there, too - they can answer that better, sorry.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks @MattAune. Now I know not to bother with the Edge 500 setting too much!

@power2max (Nicolas). Removing the cadence magnet is a really simple solution. Thanks.
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Here's mine.
Easy to fit and so far working perfectly ;-) just got to get the thing outside when the snow has gone. When ever that will be!


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I paired by Garmin 500 with my P2M this weekend, and also installed the Garmin GSC-10 speed / cadence sensor which I used to use on my trainer bike.

Somehow however my speeds are way off - about double of what they should be. Is there an incompatibility between the Power2Max and the GSC10? Wheel diameter is set correctly.

In my first ride with the P2M, I had the P2M paired with my Garmin 310XT and my powertap wheel with my Garmin 500 (no GSC-10 sensor needed) and there did not seem to be any incompatibility problems. Yesterday's ride was the first I did with a regular wheel (no powertap), with GSC 10, P2M, and Garmin 500. Power values were normal, so no interference there. This was an indoor ride, for what it's worth.

I will check tonight if the speed works fine if I were to pair everything with my garmin 310xt, see if the garmin 500 is the problem, however any feedback would be appreciated... thanks!


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Cobble wrote:
I paired by Garmin 500 with my P2M this weekend, and also installed the Garmin GSC-10 speed / cadence sensor which I used to use on my trainer bike.

Somehow however my speeds are way off - about double of what they should be. Is there an incompatibility between the Power2Max and the GSC10? Wheel diameter is set correctly.

In my first ride with the P2M, I had the P2M paired with my Garmin 310XT and my powertap wheel with my Garmin 500 (no GSC-10 sensor needed) and there did not seem to be any incompatibility problems. Yesterday's ride was the first I did with a regular wheel (no powertap), with GSC 10, P2M, and Garmin 500. Power values were normal, so no interference there. This was an indoor ride, for what it's worth.

I will check tonight if the speed works fine if I were to pair everything with my garmin 310xt, see if the garmin 500 is the problem, however any feedback would be appreciated... thanks!

To my knowledge speed from a GSC-10 should be completely unrelated to the P2M.

However, lately I have noticed some erroneous speeds (random speed spikes) in my power files on indoor rides. Hmmm...
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I've been using a P2M, Garmin 500 and the GSC 10 without any issues on my bike for about 3 months now. The speed data has looked normal. All indoor rides so far, still waiting for the snow to clear.
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What is the warranty? Does it transfer if you sell the power meter?
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@Cobble: what you describe is usually when there is a double signal when the magnet passes the speed sensor. Try varying the magnet to sensor distance and exact placement. I had this before on speed sensors.

@milesaway: yes, it's transferrable. 2 years, plus crash replacement policy.

Best
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Hello,

I just received my P2max (rotor24.130) type S in the mail today. Thank you! After reading the installation instructions I have a question.

When installing the lock ring, the instructions say to "tighten the lock ring to te manufacturer specified torque". This value is shown on the calibration certificate. For rotor cranks it is 40-50 Nm.

My question is:

If I install the lock ring as instructed, with the supplied lock ring tool held in a vise, and applying torque by pulling on the crank arm (as pictured in the directions), how am I to measure the torque?

40-50 Nm is a lot of force. Do I just pretty much tighten it as hard as I can?

Thanks
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avmac wrote:
Hello,

I just received my P2max (rotor24.130) type S in the mail today. Thank you! After reading the installation instructions I have a question.

When installing the lock ring, the instructions say to "tighten the lock ring to te manufacturer specified torque". This value is shown on the calibration certificate. For rotor cranks it is 40-50 Nm.

My question is:

If I install the lock ring as instructed, with the supplied lock ring tool held in a vise, and applying torque by pulling on the crank arm (as pictured in the directions), how am I to measure the torque?

40-50 Nm is a lot of force. Do I just pretty much tighten it as hard as I can?

Thanks


I've always installed the nut in the same way and have never destroyed a nut, power meterer's never come loose.

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Hi avmac,

tightening by hand with good force, but not all out is the way to go.

Best
Nicolas

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LOL, I'm thinking you meant "installed" not "excited"?
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Thanks Nicolas
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Moved the magnet and that did the trick. Thanks Nicholas!


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LOL, I'm thinking you meant "installed" not "excited"?

Yes :-)

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Got my Type S with Rotor 3d+ Qrings aero (semi-compact) 155mm crankset within 5 days of ordering...which included the weekend as well. Very impressed with the promptness!!!!

Just a couple of questions since this is my first time using power2max coming from a quarq elsa.

1. I noticed my power balance is way off. One quick 10-minute trainer ride at 47/53 and a longer 75-minute trainer ride @ 45/55 it was a steady 60-minute effort at 90% FTP. The longer ride was was done after running a 10k tempo, and I did feel my left leg to be a little weaker that ride, but it just seemed to be a big difference. When I was on my Quarq, I'm usually around 48/52. Is this power balance discrepancy common on the power2max?

2. my calibration showed -1180 at the beginning of my workout and after an hour on the trainer it was -1182. Is there a certain range for calibration #'s or a range for the variation?

3. I changed the OCP setting of the large ring of the rotor Qrings from 3 to 4. Do I need to do anything else to the powermeter to make sure it's functioning properly?

4. Is there an inflation in power with the oval rings?

THanks!!!
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hi Astig,

to answer your questions:
1) Our power meters don't measure left-right balance by using a reed contact to distinguish between 0 to 180 and 180 to 360 degrees, but goes from torque peak to torque peak: it compares the relative power of the left leg power phase with the right leg power phase. So it can be a bit different from Quarq because of the different approach.
2) The calibration figure has no significance. Any offset changes during the ride (between auto zeros) are compensated by the temperature compensation mechanism.
3) Nope, nothing, except make sure you installed the chain rings properly :-)
4) No, we have tested oval rings and they don't inflate power - we measure at 50HZ and don't use discrete, event based cadence.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks for all the cool info Nicolas! One thing that I want to add, i noticed the power readings were smoother than I was getting on the quarq...awesome. the only thing I don't like is it is a big pain in the butt to get the o-ring seated properly on the battery cap and staying in place. May I suggest making that 'lip' a little longer and to include some kind of a channel to hold the o-ring in place.

Thanks again!
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@Astig: ....busted for not looking at the installation instructions ;-P.

The o-ring is super easy to install - you put it on after you close the battery compartment.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Hahahahaha! ST'ers don't need instructions.
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Hahahahaha! ST'ers don't need instructions.

I had the same "problem" and was blowing my mind trying to figure out how the heck to get that tiny o-ring to stay around the lip of the cover. Even decided they had sent too small an o-ring before writing Nicolas to ask for a tip. Reading is fundamental;)

Hugh

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Just got my TypeS installed yesterday and I have paired it with my joule. I have a question, is there anything I need to change in regards to pairing with the joule? I see the circumference is listed at 2096 which is the default, did I pair it correctly? The power seems a bit higher than it should be, I've ridden a powertap for years so usually have a good sense of where my power is at
thanks
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ATB24 wrote:
Just got my TypeS installed yesterday and I have paired it with my joule. I have a question, is there anything I need to change in regards to pairing with the joule? I see the circumference is listed at 2096 which is the default, did I pair it correctly? The power seems a bit higher than it should be, I've ridden a powertap for years so usually have a good sense of where my power is at
thanks

A crank based power meter should read a bit higher than a Powertap as it's upstream of the drive train losses. Something like 2.5% would be on the right order of magnitude.......so 5 watts at a 200 watt effort and 7.5 at 300watts. The wheel circumference setting on the Joule will have no effect on power readings but it will on speed and distance if it's off.

Hugh

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Hello,

I had a problem with my Power2max. My Garmin 310XT detects power meter but it can't calibrate it and no watts/cadence at all. So I think battery is died (without message, it was the first battery because power meter is 5 months old). I changed battery and power meter becomes alive again. After 4 days, 4 rides (about 2:00 - 2:30 hours each day) power meter had the same behavior. OK, I think that was a bad battery, so I replace and then after 2 days, 1 hour ride and 2 hours race... power meter has the same behavior. Now I have no more batteries and today I will try to buy new one in a local shop, because the other two came from Amazon, so, maybe they were too old.

What do you think about it ? When I change battery, led blinks always green, never red. I couldn't find any battery drain related with Power2max power meter.
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HI achapela,

when you open the battery compartment, does a red LED shine? That would be a sign of a weak battery.

The first thing I would try is to take a second bike computer if possible and see if you can reproduce the same issue with a different computer. If not then we know it's not an issue with the power meter not sending data, but with the Garmin not picking it up. Did you recently change the firmware on the Garmin?

Best
Nicolas

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No red LED shine at all. One thing I have done the other day was take out the battery and put it again, greed led blinking starts, Garmin recognize it okl, it could calibrate it and few minutes later the same behavior, now watts, no calibration. Then I decided to change battery. First I had measure battery and I saw 2,85 V in supposed bad battery and 3,22 v in the new battery. My conclusion the new one was ok.

I will try to get another bike computer (Garmin 500) to test it, but I am pretty sure that it is no problem at all with bike computer. I didn't upgrade bike computer, it is the latest firmware version.

Could be a bad battery or near end of life battery ? After using 2 Renata battery, could I use another brand ? Recommendation is by Renata quality but not for fitting, that's it, any CR2450 battery should fit very well in battery compartment, is this true ?
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HI Achapela,

please only use Renata batteries with the Classic. They are the only ones that fit the holder properly - unfortunately the manufacturers all have different tolerances.

Did you also measure the new battery again?

Best
Nicolas

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No, I will do this afternoon when I will change for a new one.

Also measure a battery by this way, seeing only the voltage is not a reason to decide if a battery is good... the right way is trying to see amperage but it is very difficult or impossible... :(
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I am getting a new bike and wanted to know whether I need to transfer the entire crankset over or whether I can just transfer over the power meter portion. I currently have the FSA Gossamer BB30 version of the power2max power meter and the new bike is coming with a FSA SL-Light BB30 Carbon crankset.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


Joel
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Hi Joel,

unfortunately the SL-K doesn't allow power meters to be installed, because the spider is integrated. You will need to move the whole crankset over, plus the adapter bottom bracket (there is no BB30 version FSA Gossamer from us, just the BB30 Megaexo bottom bracket).

Best
nicolas

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I have measure the new battery and it has 2,85V so it is wasted no ? Also, I have take out and put in again and I could see that the led blinks about 4-7 times and then the red led blinks one and then now led at all or some green blinks again...

I will buy a new battery in a few hours... if I could find it ;)
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Hi achapela,

can you contact the support email in the region you purchased in? We'll help with it.

Best
Nicolas

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I just received my Power2Max Type S last week and installed it last night.

Installation was pretty seamless short of finding a solid piece of wood to attach my vice. I was already running a Rotor 3D crank, so first I needed to remove the spider. From another thread here, a bit of heat on the lock ring helped loosen it up to remove it. After cleaning it, I reapplied some loctite to the threads before I tightening it down after installing the powermeter. I did notice I need to remove the bottom plastic housing from my Argon E116 so that I could screw the battery cover back on. Not that big of a deal and easier than removing the cranks to replace the battery.

Once it was installed, it synced seamlessly with my Garmin 510. I've done one test ride so far comparing values between the power2max and my kickr/Garmin Cadence sensor. Cadence is spot on, though it does take a bit to catch up when you accelerate. Power was higher initially (20w higher during warmup and first interval), so I stopped and did a spindown on the kickr. After the spindown, the difference was closer to what I was expecting between the power2max and the Kickr.


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OK, I have contacted them. I have purchased a new Renata battery with a end date of June/2020, so I think this battery should have enough life! I have measure and voltage is ok.

When I inserted into power meter it blinks green a lot of times (about 20seg) and no red led blinking, I think that it is positive. So I will wait to see the life of this battery.
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hi Nicholas,

got the P2M type S for Specialized crankarms installed this weekend. Just fyi to my previous question, there's not enough clearance for the Quarq Red magnet on the chainstay. I had to remove it.

Don
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Nicolas,

I got a chance to ride again on the trainer and was again surprised at the big discrepancy of the L/R power. It looks like the power difference is consistently off at different power levels. Here's the garmin file if you want to check it out. http://connect.garmin.com/activity/471448707 . It just seems too much of a difference 45/55. Any ideas? Thanks
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Hi Astig,

I am currently 46-54 on my road bike and 50-50 on my TT bike. There is no "too much". Incidentally this also shows the advantage of measuring all the power vs one leg - if you are at 45-55 as you are you would see 10% lower power on a one-leg system.

Our algorithm always does the same thing - sum the power associated with the left down stroke and the power with the right down stroke. As I mentioned the method differs slightly from what Quarq does because we have another way of determining the power phases (peak to peak, rather than 0 degrees).

Cheers
Nicolas

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thanks for your input. Im glad I dont have that one-legged PM. I would get depressed if all of a sudden my FTP dropped by 10%. hehe

I guess I may need to work on my left leg strength. ;)
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Hi Astig,

I would take the balance info more as a pointer than a training goal. For example I have been drifting down from 48-52 to 46-54 recently, but am also slightly injured on my left leg after I overdid running. So I would keep an eye on the data and if you see sudden changes or drifts over time I would ask the question why it's happening and if it's something you should address. When I talk to people about the merits of actively trying to affect balance I have not heard much in the way that suggests it's worth it.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicholas,

Happy owner of a Power2Max here. I've got the Rotor 3D version, and since I've changed some plans for next season, wish to change my crank length. Just wanted to verify: Are the arms exactly identical with those of stock 3D arms? Can I swap the spider to a different set of Rotor 3D cranks?

Metar Heller

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tessartype wrote:
Nicholas,

Happy owner of a Power2Max here. I've got the Rotor 3D version, and since I've changed some plans for next season, wish to change my crank length. Just wanted to verify: Are the arms exactly identical with those of stock 3D arms? Can I swap the spider to a different set of Rotor 3D cranks?

Metar Heller

Yes all Rotor 3D road crank arms...............but not the 3D Track version.

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Perfect. Order placed on a set of 175mms - time to shelf the TT bike until autumn and get back on the road bike.

ZONE3 - We Last Longer
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Hi tessartype,

that's right - and thanks Tillquist!

Best
Nicolas

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Hello Nicolas,
I'm having problems installing Q-Rings (and QXL) on S-Works FACT carbon cranks with the type S power2max. Is this a known bad combination? What hapens is that the Rotor ring fouls the inside of the crank making the rings wobble and rub the front derallieur.
Kindest regards,
Kent
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Hi Kent,

this is not a known issue - actually my colleague rides the Specialized with Q-Rings. Can you please send us pictures to support at power2max dot com? I guess it's most likely an installation topic.

Best
nicolas

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Just for my peace of mind, I did a static torque test on the left and right cranks.

Baseline calibration factor (unweighted): -1184
left crank (weighted 32 lbs): -1038 (36/25t), -1043 (52/25t)
right crank (weighted 32 lbs): -1041 (36/25), -1042 (52/25t)

I worked out the numbers and am within 0.27% (left) - 1.8% (right) of the slope printed on the certificate. So I guess, it's my leg. DAMN!!!
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Hi astig,

you can rest assured, the algorithm is very unemotional and just does its thing :).

A side note - we don't recommend the static torque test, because it has too many potential sources of error and has a systemic bias due to bottom bracket friction. Our calibration at the factory is designed to so that this does not factor in. That's why you can't compare factory calibration with a static torque test in a meaningful way.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Nicolas,
I was wondering if you could help answer a question I had? I sent a message on Monday to the support contact and hadn't heard back so I thought I would go ahead and post my question here. Here it goes:

I currently purchased a Trek SC 7.5 with SRAM Force 22. I was wondering if you could tell me what Power2Max Powermeter would work best for me? I believe its still a BB90 and I see there is a Type S compatible with Force 22, but I tried using the powermeter selector and when it came up with my options that wasn't one of them. I really want to ensure that I am selecting the right one. Thank you for your time and response.
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Hi lestoad,

sorry if your email slipped through. You can simply order the Type S for SRAM and install it on your Force22 cranks, it will work fine with your Speed Concept. One thing you should know: The Force22 has a reversed bolt pattern with a hidden bolt under the cranks. Our power meter has the "normal" bolt pattern, so the chain drop pin would be on the other side if you use the Force22 chain rings.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks again!!

Do I need Classic or Compact? I am assuming Compact?
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Hi lestoad,

that depends on your chain ring size preference:
Compact: 50-34 or 52-36
Classic: 53-39 or bigger.

Cheers
Nicolas

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NIcolas; do you have the new 2014 Rotor cranks yet? also is there a plan to develop the duraace crank?
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Hi R2,

unfortunately we don't yet - as an OEM customer it takes a bit longer till we get the new graphics. The cranks are almost unchanged (very slight weight differences).

Re Shimano - we can't because the cranks aren't available to us.

Best
Nicolas

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Nicolas-

I've been using a P2M Classic with Praxis rings on my P5 with no issues. I like things that just work!. I had a shop build up a road bike also with a P2M classic and Rotor Q-Rings (50/34 non-aero). Both bikes are 110BCD, 3D+ cranks. I took my P5 into a different shop to have it checked for the warranty recall and also to swap the Praxis rings for a set of Q-Rings (52/36 non-aero) and they called saying they are having an issue mounting them. I didn't fully understand the problem, but sounded like an issue with spacing and the battery compartment etc. Is there any known issues here or something they might need to be doing differently? My road bike has the exact same configuration and I don't recall that shop having to do anything out of the ordinary. Thanks.

Rob

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Hi Rob,

The Classic power meter has a limitation in the compact version: aero and "normal" Q-rings interfere with the battery compartment. The solution is to modify the chain ring or to use a Type S. Your 50-34 chain rings will have been the OCP3.

Sorry that I don't have better news.

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks for the quick response. Just to clarify, my 50/34's were definitely modified then to fit on the Classic P2M on my road bike? That's what this shop thought too, about the P5, that they have to modify the rings.

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Hi Rob,

if you had the 50-34 Rotor OCP3 Q-Rings they will have fit on there without any modification. Here you can see how the ring needs to be modified:


Best
Nicolas

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Sorry to keep dragging this one out. I was aware of the modification needed to the aero rings, like you showed in the picture. So are you saying that the 50/34 standard rings didn't modification (see my picture)? And the 52/36 standard rings shouldn't need modification either with the Classic P2M? The 52/36 look just like the 50/34 pictured. Thanks again.[/img]

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Hi Rob,

sorry, I thought I had answered, but my computer crashed.

You have the OCP3 rings that only have one position. These don't have material between the chain ring bolts, that's why they work without modification. The "normal" rings in 52-36 have material there, this is why it doesn't fit.

Best
Nicolas

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Now its clear! Thanks for the follow up.

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PS: your extractor plate (the silver ring over the nut tightening the right crank arm onto the axle) should be below the nut, not above it :-), i.e. you shouldn't be able to see it

Best
Nicolas

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Well I guess the shop didn't do that right :-) I will pull out the manual and try to get it right myself. So it seems need to loosen the nut and put the ring below and reattach/tighten the nut.

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Spot on, you will just need to reverse the silver nut.

Best
Nicolas

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Hey Nicolas,
My "toys" came in the mail today :)
https://www.flickr.com/...et-72157643415030043

I hope to put them on this weekend, but we've had rain the last 3 days and better weather this weekend, so I may get some outdoor riding/running in while I can.
I'll keep you posted.
Thks...
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I have to start off by saying that Nicolas at P2M is awesome!!! Their customer service and response time is untouchable.
Thank you Nicolas!!

My question is around power readings compared to my Tacx Fortius trainer. I do not expect the two power readings to be exact, but I did hope it would be closer than 10-20 Watts apart.
My new P2M is reading 10-20w less than my trainer. Is there a calibration I should be aware of?

It is also worth noting that my P2M power was all over the board while my Tacx was reasonably steady.

I calibrated my Tacx before I started and then warmed up. I even stopped a couple time to let my P2M auto-cal.

My cadence is spot on.

Any words of wisdom?
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thanks Nicolas, last question do you think that the fact that you guys use 4 gauges vs sram and quarq using 8 - makes a difference in power readings? does new type s differs in this matter from old p2m?
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Hi R2,

to abuse an old saying: it's not about the number of gauges, it's about what you do with them :-).

Seriously - no, it's not an issue at all. A bit like a carbon frame - one frame uses less material (lighter frame) than another, but can be even stiffer, if the right technology is used.

Best
Nicolas

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@mikar_68: it's perfectly normal that your power2max and Tacx don't agree exactly - the Tacx is not a calibrated unit, so differences are very well possible.

Best
Nicolas

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Hi Everybody,

I wanted to install the Type S on my Cervelo S5 with Rotor 3DF. I also own the normal P2M with Rotor 3D+ so I had the tool.
But my Rotor 3DF Lock ring looks totally different from the one I have on the 3D+ and does not fit to the crank. Has anyone faced these probs?


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@andid333: we tested the tool with the lock ring with our tool and it worked. So unless they changed it the tool should still work.

Cheers
Nicolas

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power2max wrote:
@andid333: we tested the tool with the lock ring with our tool and it worked. So unless they changed it the tool should still work.

Cheers
Nicolas
@Power2max
Unfortunately this does not work as I can not insert the tool into the holes. The edges of the tool do not fit into the round holes. Do I have the latest tool?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [andid333] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, the tool hasn't changed. It's odd, because we have the same cranks in our office (we tested it at the time) and it works. I wonder if Rotor changed the spec. Does it clearly not fit or is it close?

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe I have to check again. Yesterday I did not get the tool in as I had the impression that the edges at the too did not fit into the holes. To me it did not fit in clearly.

So you say you checked with the same type of lockring? On my 3D+ I have the lockring you have in your online shop.

Cheers,

Andreas
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Re: Official power2max support thread [andid333] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, we did.

Rotor did a special lock ring for Cervelo that combines the lock ring with the drive side spacer. That's why it looks different. We got one of them to check and even though they look incompatible the pins fit the holes. Maybe check again :-).

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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power2max wrote:
Maybe check again :-).

Thank you. I will check tonight.

Cheers again,
Andreas
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Are you sure you didn't use a 3D rather than 3D+ tool? From the photo, the radius of the circle of holes looks clearly smaller than the 3D+ tool in the photo. Looking at my 3D and 3D+ tools side by side I'd say it looks more likely that the 3D tool would fit that lockring.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi all --

Wondering if anyone has run into a similar issue.
I just got a semi-compact Rotor 3D P2M with the Praxis on my Orbea Ordu. I've had it at 2 different mechanics three times because I can't shift from the small ring to the big ring. Starting to wondering if there are some compatibility issues.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Steve Irwin] [ In reply to ]
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Steve Irwin wrote:
Are you sure you didn't use a 3D rather than 3D+ tool? From the photo, the radius of the circle of holes looks clearly smaller than the 3D+ tool in the photo. Looking at my 3D and 3D+ tools side by side I'd say it looks more likely that the 3D tool would fit that lockring.

With a little pressure I got the tool into the holes, but yu need to be KingKong to get the thing turning. The locking sits bomb proof.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [andid333] [ In reply to ]
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Right, well that's a separate issue :)

It will have been assembled with threadlock. A little heat can help with the threadlock, but I put the crank arm in a vice and have used a 1.5m length of scaffolding pole as a spanner extender to get enough leverage to remove the lockrings from factory assembled cranksets. If you use the same technique it's at your own risk, I'm just telling you what I've done to get them apart in the past - I haven't broken one yet, though.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Steve Irwin] [ In reply to ]
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Steve Irwin wrote:
Right, well that's a separate issue :)

It will have been assembled with threadlock. A little heat can help with the threadlock, but I put the crank arm in a vice and have used a 1.5m length of scaffolding pole as a spanner extender to get enough leverage to remove the lockrings from factory assembled cranksets. If you use the same technique it's at your own risk, I'm just telling you what I've done to get them apart in the past - I haven't broken one yet, though.

P2M offered me help so I will send the crank and sensor into their factory. Should be there on Wednesday. I tried with heat, but unfornately the German winter this year was too warm, so I did not do enough strenght training to get it turning...

Thanks for your help.

The guys from P2M offer awesome support.
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Re: Official power2max support thread [andid333] [ In reply to ]
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Btw I already have a P2M on my P3 and I am so happy about that I got this second one, the type S for my roadie...
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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Nicolas,

This might be more of a question for the folks at Rotor, and one I think I know the answer to anyway, but I want to ask regardless to make sure I'm not screwing anything up. I was wondering whether there are any negative issues with not using the 1mm spacer on the NDS with a Rotor 3D+/Type-S? My Cervelo P5 was really (really) tight at 37.5 Nm main nut torque (range is 35-40) with the recommended build sequence for the BBRight (i.e. from left-to right: NDS arm - pre-load nut (backed completely outboard) - 1mm spacer - left bearing seal - left bearing - right bearing - right bearing seal - supplied wide spacer - DS crank/PM/CR assembly). The cranks would spin about 3/4 of a turn when I flicked them with the chain off with the above values. The pre-load nut of course wouldn't budge from the full out position.

Once I took the 1mm spacer off the left side and re-torqued the assembly to 37.5 Nm, I was able to hand-tighten the pre-load nut perhaps 2 turns at the most. The whole assembly spun much more freely. I can't imagine there being any problems with not using the 1mm spacer, but I thought I'd ask.

Dave
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Re: Official power2max support thread [djmercer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Dave,

there should be no problem with it. Just keep an eye on whether the any play develops later. I had the same situation once and removed the spacer, only to have play later on - I hadn't seated the drive side well enough the first time around. Or maybe your bearings aren't pressed in all the way (could be only a few tens of a mm, maybe).

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi nick. I was interested in getting a power 2 max power meter but wanted to get one that's under $1000 hopefully. I have sram red components and 172.5 cranks arms. What would you recommend me getting for a good price?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [l712palmer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

our best priced option is the FSA Gossamer, which is from $899. With A SRAM Red you'll have to add a bottom bracket. Which version of the SRAM Red do you have? GXP or BB30?

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Do I need to calibrate my p2m with my Garmin 810 every so often to keep them right,

Cheers Noel,
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Zipp] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Noel,

your Garmin 810 will want to do a zero offset calibration on start up. You don't need to worry about it at all, because every time you coast more than 2 seconds and don't pedal the unit does it automatically.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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I have a felt b2r 2009. It's sram red gxp
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Re: Official power2max support thread [l712palmer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

then you can go for hte FSA Gossamer ($899), and Megaexo bottom bracket ($36) and you can reuse your existing chain rings from the SRAM Red. If they're worn - the Praxis Works package is a very good deal ($99 instead of $185).

Best
Nicolas

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Thanks Nicolas! I appreciate all of your help. I did have one more question though, what bottom brackets would be compatible with the GXP. If I wanted to upgrade from the $899 fsa gossamer. I dont want to order the wrong one
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Re: Official power2max support thread [l712palmer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi palmer,

the bottom bracket is GXP in the case of SRAM. You need to remove that and install a Megaexo bottom bracket for BSA (which is the frame format).

Sorry for all the abbreviations :-).

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Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Just sharing a photo of my new Type S on my bike. Loving the Type S!!!



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Re: Official power2max support thread [astig] [ In reply to ]
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Damn, slick looking bike!

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Looking to purchase (2)Classic power meters w/ Rotor 3DF and 52/36 chainrings. Is there any assembly on my end when ordered as a complete unit? Secondly, both bikes are bb30, no additional parts are needed, correct?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [equaine642] [ In reply to ]
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Hi equaine - replied to your PM.

Just in case - yes, we deliver assembled in North America.

Cheers
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Nicolas,
Just wanted to clarify. I have SRAM red GXP. Felt 2009 b2r

Would getting the power2max rotor 3d with the rotor BB1 for BSA be compatible? I dont want to get the wrong bottom bracket. Thanks so much!!!
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Re: Official power2max support thread [l712palmer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Palmer,

yup, you remove the GXP bottom bracket from the B2R. The threads follow the BSA standard. You then install the BB1 bottom bracket for BSA and you're good to install the Rotor 3D.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Power2max Type-S on BH G6 bike.......... enjoy

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official power2max support thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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Morten,

chapeau! Looks amazing.

Best
Nicolas

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Is there an estimate for delivery in Toronto area? How long from order to delivery?
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Re: Official power2max support thread [aries33] [ In reply to ]
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Hi aries,

we usually ship the same or next day (last week was an exception due to Sea Otter). In our experience it takes 2 to 5 days for shipping within Canada.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Hi again Nicolas, what is the estimated delivery to the U.S. Maryland area specifically. Order says its still processing and that was from last Thursday
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Re: Official power2max support thread [l712palmer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

apologies, the end of last week was a little special due to Sea Otter Classics. We are back in the office and working through the orders. Your power meter should go out today or tomorrow.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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Question regarding Rotor 3D w/power2max... what's the best BB30 to BSA converter... looking to swap cranks between my road bike and CX bike; CX bike is BB30 road is BSA. I've heard that most all make annoying sounds when on the BB30
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Re: Official power2max support thread [jvictoria] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

we had good feedback on the Rotor BB30to24. The even better solution may be to go with a Rotor 3D+ and BSA30 bottom bracket on the BSA if you are concerned about this.

Best
Nicolas

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Re: Official power2max support thread [power2max] [ In reply to ]
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power2max wrote:
Hi,

we had good feedback on the Rotor BB30to24. The even better solution may be to go with a Rotor 3D+ and BSA30 bottom bracket on the BSA if you are concerned about this.

Best
Nicolas
Thanks... I'll look into both...
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Re: Official power2max support thread [mikar_68] [ In reply to ]
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mikar_68 wrote:
I have to start off by saying that Nicolas at P2M is awesome!!! Their customer service and response time is untouchable.
Thank you Nicolas!!

My question is around power readings compared to my Tacx Fortius trainer. I do not expect the two power readings to be exact, but I did hope it would be closer than 10-20 Watts apart.
My new P2M is reading 10-20w less than my trainer. Is there a calibration I should be aware of?

It is also worth noting that my P2M power was all over the board while my Tacx was reasonably steady.

I calibrated my Tacx before I started and then warmed up. I even stopped a couple time to let my P2M auto-cal.

My cadence is spot on.

Any words of wisdom?


I switched from a powertap to power2max. I found similar results as described above...

I did two tests where I used the powertap and power2max. Overall the power2max was 8 watts less. On a trainer with a Kurt Kinnetic road machine, in a specific gear at a specific cadence... I found my powertap watts to be very steady throughout a ride. With the power2max, I found for the first 20-30 minutes the watts to jump around a little bit after a calibration. When I would notice it to be a little high or low, I would not peddle for 2 seconds and let it recalibrate. It seemed to steady after 20-30 minutes.

Another issue, after a hard interval, I will stand up to stretch my legs, I found this could really screw up the calibration. Especially if this is in the first 20-30 minutes of a ride, I have seen my watts jump 15-20 watts. So anytime I stretch, I sit and calibrate again and be careful to keep my feet still and light.

I have now gotten the hang of calibration, but I'm not thrilled with how it works. I'm finding myself paranoid and thinking about my pauses/rests and if I'm screwing it up.

I have had a couple instances where the power stops for 5-10 seconds also.

Can you give any insight on how it calibrates, what might potential screw it up?
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Nicolas, should I plan for any hiccups trying to put these NoQ rotor rings on this P2M classic?

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