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Swedish goggles -- design flaw
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First, let me say that I love swedish type goggles. My favorites are the TYR socket rockets. In order for them to be comfortable and last for me, they must have the string/plastic nose piece instead of the little piece of elastic band nose piece.

The design flaw is that it takes either an accomplished surgeon or watchmaker to get that freaking string through the hole and then tied up correctly. The string either doesn't go through or, worse, begins to unwind into its component parts while you try to make it fit. Would it have killed anyone to make that string hole in the eye piece about 30% bigger?

(Hmmm.... maybe this needs to also be posted in the cry like a biatch thread?)
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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If your having problems with the string unwinding, take a lighter or light a match and burn the end of the string so it doesn't unwind.

Its been a while since I've looked at rocket sockets. Is the middle piece any different from the regular swedish goggles?

It takes me 4-5 minutes to put together swedish goggles from scratch.

And I'm like you that I can't wear the elastic band between the nose. I've tried but I can't get them to fit well on my face and they always end up leaking.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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... or you can make the hole bigger by filing it out with a circular file.


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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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I've never met anyone who couldn't get comfortable using a small section of the strap as the nose piece. I haven't used the string in 15+ years as it is a major PIA.

It is so easy to tweak the fit and find just the right length to be comfortable.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [motopsycha] [ In reply to ]
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The piece of strap is definitely uncomfortable...I have never met anyone who didn't use the string instead...

I wear Tyr socket rocket 2.0 as well. I wet the tip of the string and poke it through...my problem is getting the string tied the perfect length...yes it must be perfect...then I flame the ends a bit, tied on the outside so this does not scratch my nose.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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mattbk wrote:
...my problem is getting the string tied the perfect length...yes it must be perfect....

Someone tought me a trick years ago(which I'm sure most of you may already know) to get them perfect. Don't try and tie the string to the right length. Tie it so there's some slack, then twist the eye piece(s) until you get a comfortable fit.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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I'm curious.

In what way do you fine the piece of strap uncomfortable?
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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I use a couple of split rings and a barrel swivel (aka fishing tackle) so that it'll never twist up or stretch. Takes a little extra fuss to set up (needed to try a couple different sizes the first time, years ago), but then it's dialed in exactly right and I can do new replacement pairs now and have them perfect on the first try without needing any adjustment.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
First, let me say that I love swedish type goggles. My favorites are the TYR socket rockets. In order for them to be comfortable and last for me, they must have the string/plastic nose piece instead of the little piece of elastic band nose piece.

The design flaw is that it takes either an accomplished surgeon or watchmaker to get that freaking string through the hole and then tied up correctly. The string either doesn't go through or, worse, begins to unwind into its component parts while you try to make it fit. Would it have killed anyone to make that string hole in the eye piece about 30% bigger?

(Hmmm.... maybe this needs to also be posted in the cry like a biatch thread?)

Ya, the string on my pair finally broke after about 5 yrs of swimming. I too struggled to get the new string through the little holes but finally managed it just by using a little spit to get the string to stay straight. So, should be good for another 5 yrs now:)


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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [motopsycha] [ In reply to ]
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motopsycha wrote:
I'm curious.

In what way do you fine the piece of strap uncomfortable?

I love the dynamic fit of the swedish goggles. Especially the tyr socket rocket with the tiny bit of gasket. But weirdly enough, the dynamic nose piece strap feels horrible. It stretches and has the goggles sit very uncomfortably on my eyes; to the point that it really bothers me and I don't think I would be able to use them. So, I love the dynamic fit of the goggle, which when compared to regular/average goggles is like wearing a nike free vs uncomfortable dress shoes. But I need the nose piece part more stable it seems. I hardly see many that keep/use the stretching band.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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Have you played around with shortening/lengthening the nose strap to alleviate the pressure? There is definitely a sweet spot to make it comfortable. I think that is the big benefit of using the stretchy nose piece, it is super quick and easy to adjust.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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I've been wearing these goggles since probably 1985 and love them. Only goggles I'll wear. I can remember having an issue with that when I was a kid. Still have an issue with them today.

I use to head down to my dads work room in the basement and he had a spool of waxed string. This stuff was slick. It was the same exact stuff that shipped with the goggles however it was coated in wax. No matter where you cut the string the ends would not unravel and they would stay nice and tight. I use to order 10 pairs of swedes at a time. Toss the goofy string that came with them and swap in the stuff in my dad's work room. Man I loved that string. I'll have to head back over to my mom's to see if that stuff is still there. I totally forgot about that.

This is similar to the stuff that I used.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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mattbk wrote:
motopsycha wrote:
I'm curious.

In what way do you fine the piece of strap uncomfortable?


I love the dynamic fit of the swedish goggles. Especially the tyr socket rocket with the tiny bit of gasket. But weirdly enough, the dynamic nose piece strap feels horrible. It stretches and has the goggles sit very uncomfortably on my eyes; to the point that it really bothers me and I don't think I would be able to use them. So, I love the dynamic fit of the goggle, which when compared to regular/average goggles is like wearing a nike free vs uncomfortable dress shoes. But I need the nose piece part more stable it seems. I hardly see many that keep/use the stretching band.

+1. In just a small amount of turbulence I can feel the whole google move as the nose piece stretches.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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You need to tighten it then.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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Use a bit of the strap. Way easier to thread through the holes than the string+blue plastic combo and you can easily adjust it if you ever need to. I've been doing it this way since the late 80's. Not sure why the one poster thinks it's less comfortable, I found the blue plastic thingy to leave a indentation in my nose.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [AWARE] [ In reply to ]
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AWARE wrote:
You need to tighten it then.

Haha! NO! If I tighten the strap then it has too little space for my nose during normal swimming. =)
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [govols] [ In reply to ]
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govols wrote:
Use a bit of the strap. Way easier to thread through the holes than the string+blue plastic combo and you can easily adjust it if you ever need to. I've been doing it this way since the late 80's. Not sure why the one poster thinks it's less comfortable, I found the blue plastic thingy to leave a indentation in my nose.

Dude, "bit of the strap" is the same thing as the "little piece of elastic band" I mentioned in the OP. It doesn't work out due to reasons both I and mattbk have outlined in later posts.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
First, let me say that I love swedish type goggles. My favorites are the TYR socket rockets. In order for them to be comfortable and last for me, they must have the string/plastic nose piece instead of the little piece of elastic band nose piece.

The design flaw is that it takes either an accomplished surgeon or watchmaker to get that freaking string through the hole and then tied up correctly. The string either doesn't go through or, worse, begins to unwind into its component parts while you try to make it fit. Would it have killed anyone to make that string hole in the eye piece about 30% bigger?

(Hmmm.... maybe this needs to also be posted in the cry like a biatch thread?)

WTF are you talking about? Socket rockets are not swedes.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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htfu...use the strap.

as someone who's borderline ocd about my training enviroment, i understand. i never minded using the strap, but understand the "need" for the string.

good luck, threading then tying that bastard to the correct length is a MAJOR pita.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [Madduck] [ In reply to ]
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Push it through from behind with a small needle. Piece of cake.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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Nootca make strings which are cut in a way to speed up the process

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [motopsycha] [ In reply to ]
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motopsycha wrote:
I've never met anyone who couldn't get comfortable using a small section of the strap as the nose piece. I haven't used the string in 15+ years as it is a major PIA.

It is so easy to tweak the fit and find just the right length to be comfortable.


You're right, we've never met :-)

I am cursed with close set evil looking beady little eyes (according to TriSpouse) and doubly cursed with a big nose. For me it's almost impossible to get goggles to fit. I've never found gasket type that doesn't leak badly. I wear the gasket free type. I need the string because the rubber tube just never works. I've given away probably 20 pairs of goggles over the years, all bought on the recommendation from someone who swears they fit ANY face. With the spring and stretch in the rubber nose piece, they always pop off my face by just enough to leak like the Hoover Dam!

Thankfully I've found the swedish type AND the string and can finally swim with goggles that don't leak. Now if I could just find a pair that don't fog up. (and yes I use spit, and yes I've tried anti-fog drops and, and and.....)

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Never used the string. Clip an inch or two off of the strap and use that. Then you tweak the fit to you. I've been swimming over 20 years and always went this route.

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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
govols wrote:
Use a bit of the strap. Way easier to thread through the holes than the string+blue plastic combo and you can easily adjust it if you ever need to. I've been doing it this way since the late 80's. Not sure why the one poster thinks it's less comfortable, I found the blue plastic thingy to leave a indentation in my nose.


Dude, "bit of the strap" is the same thing as the "little piece of elastic band" I mentioned in the OP. It doesn't work out due to reasons both I and mattbk have outlined in later posts.

No, it isn't. I'm saying to use a piece that you cut off the strap, hence "bit of strap". I assume you're using TYR or some other Sweed-style google that comes with some flimsy piece of elastic but the Sweeds I/most competitive swimmers think of are these. My advice would give you a nose piece like the black ones pictured on that page. If you insist on using the plastic cylinder nose piece instead the article actually has some pointers for that too.
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Re: Swedish goggles -- design flaw [Skibum232] [ In reply to ]
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I've posted this comment before: use a small piece of butyl rubber inner tube for the nose piece. It lasts much longer than the latex strap. It is also slightly less elastic, so it maintains the best tension more effectively. Thread the butyl rubber through the blue tube from the package of the original Malmstens (or the black tube from the Speedo Malmstens) to protect the bridge of your nose.
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