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This fine race deserves at least one last thread dedicated to it.

Coverage Is found at: .http://stgeorge.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1twx7GvLM

The weather forecast is calling for a high of 85 degrees with 10mph winds. Reports are that the water at Sand Hollow State Park is "comfortable". Be sure to join us tomorrow starting at 8:30am EST/6:30am MST for our coverage of what promises to be an exciting race.

It looks like the weather will be pretty reasonable for those racing.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Good luck to all racers today. Enjoy the 140.6 mile victory lap....work is done!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Good luck to all.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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They hype their new race coverage and it is...5 fixed cameras for us to stare at! pass

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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bcagle25 wrote:
They hype their new race coverage and it is...5 fixed cameras for us to stare at! pass

Yeah, but it does show that the wind started to really rip less than 10 minutes into the swim.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I have the live coverage on and all they are showing is the finishing Shute, I guess they are not covering any of the swim? Never mind, just realized they have different channels.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Rover24] [ In reply to ]
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10 mph winds? looks like the wind is howling out there !
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [vtlars] [ In reply to ]
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vtlars wrote:
10 mph winds? looks like the wind is howling out there !

Yes, I could see white caps on the lake so over 12mph down there. But:

Heather Wurtele in the lead car is reporting that the winds are much calmer as the riders have come up from Sand Hollow State Park and are approaching St. George.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [vtlars] [ In reply to ]
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If you got to the bottom of the page at:
http://stgeorge.ironmanlive.com/

You can click on T1 for bike start coverage. There are 5 links for cameras at the bottom.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Either Athlete Tracker is completely F###ed up (wouldn't be a huge surprise) or a huge number of athletes didn't make the swim cutoff today.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I noticed the same... frustrating. For some reason I'm guessing that the tracker is fubar'ed versus thinking that half of the M35-39 age group didn't finish the swim. It still shows a swim time for those who didn't make the cutoff but still crossed the mat.



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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Tri14] [ In reply to ]
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If the video is real time, there are a ton of bikes still sitting in transition 15 minutes after the swim cutoff.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [vtlars] [ In reply to ]
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vtlars wrote:
10 mph winds? looks like the wind is howling out there !

The wind is gusting so strong out between Gunlock & Veyo that Ben Hoffman was blown off the road and had to unclip and remount his bike.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:
If the video is real time, there are a ton of bikes still sitting in transition 15 minutes after the swim cutoff.


See that. We need to demand a rule change to offer more time to people to get comfortably out of the water at their leisure and make it to the bike course. It is all so unfair.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like a really rough day out there. If WTC had not killed the 140.6, the news of a very hard swim on top of an already difficult course would have likely reduced numbers further. Hopefully this does not discourage folks from the 70.3 next year.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [R10C] [ In reply to ]
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Yes very hard conditions, high winds 40mph.

About 100 did not make the swim cut off or were pulled out of the water...
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
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sportstats wrote:
Yes very hard conditions, high winds 40mph.

About 100 did not make the swim cut off or were pulled out of the water...

Marc,

Was there a large DNS component today? It looks like way more than 100 not making the swim if you just check a few categories.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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The swim times and DNF swim numbers are crazy
One of last years AG winner had 20 minutes slower swim this year
Weather update?
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
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sportstats wrote:
Yes very hard conditions, high winds 40mph.

About 100 did not make the swim cut off or were pulled out of the water...

I count 107 with times over 2:20. That doesn't take into account any pulled from the water.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I was thinking the same thing about the DNS numbers. I was trying to track a friend who should be a top 20% 45-49er, is a strong swimmer and was very ready for IMSG but I can't find him. Looking at the age groups there are huge #s of DNS. I thought the timing might be off somehow? Strange. Looking forward to hearing more about why this happened today.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I am not on site but was told over 1400 of 1800 started the event.

About 100+ dnf on swim or so.

Marc
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sportstats] [ In reply to ]
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sportstats wrote:
I am not on site but was told over 1400 of 1800 started the event.

About 100+ dnf on swim or so.

Marc

There are swim times listed for 1346 total athletes including the pros. If 1400 actually started the race that means 54 people were pulled from the swim. Additionally 107 of the swim times where longer than 2:20 so the total that didn't finish the swim in time looks like 161 to me. That is based on 1400 starting though. GIGO applies.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I'm on site helping with T1 bags and yea 30+ winds seem about right...so many pulled and so many missing the cutoff. Ironman made the announcement that those who we pulled/missed could continue w/out official time...no chips. Tough conditions for sure!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Yermo] [ In reply to ]
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Next think you know, they will give EVERYONE a metal. This crap has to stop!


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Yermo] [ In reply to ]
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Started my 11th IM this morning at St. George. Perfect morning, calm and comfortable temps. As soon as the gun went off, the winds kicked up to a wicked pace. As you rounded the first turn buoy, complete carnage in the water. 5-8ft swells, spraying water everywhere. It looked like a ship wreck out there, swimmers scattered everywhere. I swam about another 500 meters, and had no idea where I was. Buoys were being blown all over. I was thinking "Is that one I just passed, or when I need to swim to?" The waves and conditions were getting worse. The only thing I could spot was a rescue boat with the flashing red and blue lights.

Decision=not drown and live to race another day. So, as hard as it was, that's what I did. Huge props to those that made it, to those that didn't, no shame in making the right call. Plus, I kind of want to make it to my 44th B-day on Wednesday, the 9th.

Time to go spectate, hang with the girlfriend, and cheer everyone on.

Have a great day everybody!!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [krash187] [ In reply to ]
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Good call. I was very surprised to see the swim times of my friends that go sub 1:00 easy, and they're way over. Bryan Dunn is not a 1:08 IM swimmer. St George IM gods sending the race off with a bang
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [krash187] [ In reply to ]
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8 ft swells? Seriously?
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [robertl] [ In reply to ]
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I agree...8ft? prob more like 2' chop. Not easy for your typical Triathlete who stugglesin a pool without a wetsuit. That race looks like it is beating those people up right now!!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [cmonster] [ In reply to ]
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I heard 3' chop with no consistency from one of my friends that is watching out there today. Fully understand how it feels out there after being in something similar on Lake Mead for Silverman in 2008! Switching to survival swimming isn't much fun, much less with others around you!!! Good call out there, there is always another day!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [ball6135] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, Be safe. I was watching the swim feeds and it wasn't all that bad if you can swim. Any insecurities in the water andit's a tough day.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [cmonster] [ In reply to ]
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From the Live Blog..
"To give you an idea how tough the conditions were out on the bike today, Hoffman & Twelsiek both only managed to ride 5:10. That's over 25 minutes slower than the course record and 17 minutes slower than Hoffman rode here in 2010."


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [stringcheese] [ In reply to ]
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YIkes....that 20 minute slower split for pros will translate to 40-90 min longer for most age groupers!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like WTC made the right call in bailing on this race as an IM going forward. Registrations would've been very hard to come by next year. The 70.3 is probably going to struggle to find an audience.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
Looks like WTC made the right call in bailing on this race as an IM going forward. Registrations would've been very hard to come by next year. The 70.3 is probably going to struggle to find an audience.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Video of the swim exit w/ some WICKED winds...

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [bcagle25] [ In reply to ]
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I'm all for a challenge, but put me in the group that does not really want conditions where we have to worry more about survival than racing. I'd be entering adventure races if that is what I really wanted. Ironman are tough enough. I don't think there is any shame in admitting that you don't want to have to deal with the wrath of nature on top of the already long distance and a tough course. The long distance and a moderately hilly course is fine by me. For those who want to race crazy difficult races, I can understand the draw, but that's probably just a small minority of athletes. Most want to challenge themselves, but not kill themselves either. We still need to go back to work on Monday and perform there.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Agree dev... I seriously don't think this is a case of catering to a low common denominator. Memories of IM Utah with that wind
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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On a note related to this thread Terra-man has played it out patiently in M50-54....as his name suggests, he was off the back by 30 minutes after the 90 min swim, but has moved up to 8th starting the run...now he probably needs to pass 5 more on the run for a Kona slot....go Larkin!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [1fastbeaver] [ In reply to ]
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1fastbeaver wrote:
Next think you know, they will give EVERYONE a metal. This crap has to stop!

No, they are not giving everyone medals. There is no harm in letting them finish as unofficial finishers. They paid their money.

You want to be a badass, go do Norseman, Badwater, Marathon de Sable, or any other number of events out there that make Ironman look like a cake walk.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [krash187] [ In reply to ]
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Ironically, I too started IM number 11 today. The swim was brutal as described. I'm usually very solid around 1:27-1:28 for 2.4 and I swam 2:05.
Then faced brutal wind on the bike. It felt like a headwind most of the time. Missed the bike cutoff to start the second loop along with a big crowd.

Kudos to those who finish today. I did the original IM Utah in Provo the first year and this swim was every bit as bad. The wind on the bike was worse.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Elsa] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear that your quest for number 11 was cut short. But sounds like you are in a positive mindset about the entire deal. Well done!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Elsa] [ In reply to ]
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Elsa wrote:
The swim was brutal as described. I'm usually very solid around 1:27-1:28 for 2.4 and I swam 2:05.

Watching the IMSG hashtag. This just came up:

"Lori Jomsky ‏ @LJ3000
RT @tritweeter: Mike Rielly just said this was without a doubt the toughest ever IronMan swim ever in the USA. #IMStG #IMSG"
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Holy cow, had the feed on,. some dude just ran across the line in second place, Reilly tells him, "you've got one more lap,man. but you were almost second." Guy runs back down the finish chute towards the course. LOL
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Larkin is a clever race and is good at execution. At this point, it is a survival race.....run times are gonna be very slow but it s about getting the work done and been very patient....

brutal day form what i see so far...

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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For an indication of the winds today, here is a quote from the Liveblog at 2:50

"The wind is gusting so strong out between Gunlock & Veyo that Ben Hoffman was blown off the road and had to unclip and remount his bike."

If the pros are getting blown off the road (and he won) I would suggest that it's not a nice day in St George.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Ha saw that too, how do you not know you have one more lap
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [robertl] [ In reply to ]
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robertl wrote:
Ha saw that too, how do you not know you have one more lap

Wishful thinking, I'm sure.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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jonnyo wrote:
Larkin is a clever race and is good at execution. At this point, it is a survival race.....run times are gonna be very slow but it s about getting the work done and been very patient....

brutal day form what i see so far...

He's gradually moving up the field, and what's even better for him is that as a 50-54, his run is pretty strong. Lots of guys fall off on the run. Good work to you coach Jonnyo!!!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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I started my 17 IM today. Will probably be my last. A lot of $$, time etc to be sitting in my motel room before 3 pm forced to DNF when working my way back from the swim conditions.

They swim was totally brutal with 1800 yds directly into the wind as wicked as others mentioned. I'm a 1:20 swimmer slower now, but finshed in 2:14. Was the last out of T1 before the cutoff. Then realized I'd forgotten my number so I rode back a mile to figure out what to do. Wasted a bunch of time looking for an official who said just forget it.
I was surprised to see many people out on their bikes sans the chips & passing on the right etc.

I plugged along on the bike planning to take it easy on the 1st loop to get my nausea stomach corralled & then pick it up on the 2nd loop. I had over 9 hours left to go 46 miles @ my avg unstressed pace of 15 mph on the bike & then even walk the marathon to make the midnight finish if necessary. Was rather shocked to find that they were pulling all chips at the beginning of the 2nd loop. There was a huge pile chips on the street & mine nnow one of tem. Only 3/6 of my age group (W 60-64) even made the swim cut off.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [robertl] [ In reply to ]
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Actually They were. Back in my motel room the were as tall as the door. It picked up the longer one was out there. Initially agreed just a chop kinda fun, then a washing machine then these huge swells crashiing waves, water spitting like ice chips & bobbing to catch a climps of the next bouy.
The couse was set up with a 1800 yd swim leg which was directly into the wind.

barb
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Barb,

Sorry to hear what a tough day it was out there. Somehow Athlete tracker missed you all together and we thought you must have taken a pass on the day.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [1fastbeaver] [ In reply to ]
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1fastbeaver wrote:
Next think you know, they will give EVERYONE a metal. This crap has to stop!

WTF is your problem? They pulled their chip. They get no time. They are not official finishers. They may or may not get medals at the finish line. All WTC is doing is allowing them to continue on the course and consume materials from the aid station. What is wrong with that. These people paid $700 for the privilege to be there. What is wrong with allowing them to continue on the course even if they are unofficial?
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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That says a lot: "The run, which is never the easiest part, was the easiest part today."
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Athlete tracker appears to have been down now for more than an hour. Grrrrr

Jodi
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Jodi wrote:
Athlete tracker appears to have been down now for more than an hour. Grrrrr

Jodi

Yeah at least if not closer to two.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Rumors of a fatality today. Anyone heard anything?

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:
Jodi wrote:
Athlete tracker appears to have been down now for more than an hour. Grrrrr

Jodi


Yeah at least if not closer to two.

The athlete tracker on the Ironman site is working fine for me. I've been looking up people with no problem...
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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I was told that there were not any fatalities. But of course that could be wrong. It seems though that we would have heard about a fatality as word travels fast in the triathlon community...
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [arctical] [ In reply to ]
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arctical wrote:
sciguy wrote:
Jodi wrote:
Athlete tracker appears to have been down now for more than an hour. Grrrrr

Jodi


Yeah at least if not closer to two.


The athlete tracker on the Ironman site is working fine for me. I've been looking up people with no problem...

Interesting....I can't see any data more than about 8 and a half hours into the race.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [arctical] [ In reply to ]
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Still more than 2 hours delayed for me. Shows none of the pros have finished.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [arctical] [ In reply to ]
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arctical wrote:
sciguy wrote:
Jodi wrote:
Athlete tracker appears to have been down now for more than an hour. Grrrrr

Jodi


Yeah at least if not closer to two.


The athlete tracker on the Ironman site is working fine for me. I've been looking up people with no problem...

No problems if you wonder about several hours ago;)

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Jodi] [ In reply to ]
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It's weird for me. Once I look someone up, no amount of refreshing, reloading, etc will update it. Athlete tracker always does this for me though. I'm on an iPad if it matters.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Elsa] [ In reply to ]
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Elsa wrote:
It's weird for me. Once I look someone up, no amount of refreshing, reloading, etc will update it. Athlete tracker always does this for me though. I'm on an iPad if it matters.

Sometimes you need to clear the cache but I've been doing that with no luck.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [almost tri-ing] [ In reply to ]
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almost tri-ing wrote:
I was told that there were not any fatalities. But of course that could be wrong. It seems though that we would have heard about a fatality as word travels fast in the triathlon community...

I hope that's the case.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Tracker has been dead for me for >3 hours now. This is sub optimal viewing, although better than Wildflower :-(
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
almost tri-ing wrote:
I was told that there were not any fatalities. But of course that could be wrong. It seems though that we would have heard about a fatality as word travels fast in the triathlon community...


I hope that's the case.

Despite today's brutal conditions, there have been no critical incidents. Just the normal Ironman woes. That's a testament to our amazing staff & volunteers.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I can't get any updates on the IM site. Anyone have an update on Larkin?
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bonehead] [ In reply to ]
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No update, but I suspect he still has several minutes to get into the finish chute given the swim and bike times were slower than his normal standards. He's well positioned for a kona slot though!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I just won the AG. I can't believe. The conditions were the worst I have ever raced in by a long shot. White caps and 3 foot swells on the res. they said if the race had started 20min later they would have canceled the swim. The bike was 30-40mph gust that just ripped the field apart. I never let it get to me and started the run feeling ok...and then not so ok. First was 20min ahead of me off the bike but by lap 2 I had narrowed that to 5min. I caught him at mile 22 and ran scared as my ZOOT teammate Jim Atkinson was coming on strong. But I held on. The slowest Ironman I have ever done...and the most satisfying by far. I did it, I can't believ I did it.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Awesome!!!!! Congrats!!!!

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Bryancd wrote:
I just won the AG. I can't believe. The conditions were the worst I have ever raced in by a long shot. White caps and 3 foot swells on the res. they said if the race had started 20min later they would have canceled the swim. The bike was 30-40mph gust that just ripped the field apart. I never let it get to me and started the run feeling ok...and then not so ok. First was 20min ahead of me off the bike but by lap 2 I had narrowed that to 5min. I caught him at mile 22 and ran scared as my ZOOT teammate Jim Atkinson was coming on strong. But I held on. The slowest Ironman I have ever done...and the most satisfying by far. I did it, I can't believ I did it.

Wow - way to go, Bryan!!
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Bryancd wrote:
I just won the AG. I can't believe. The conditions were the worst I have ever raced in by a long shot. White caps and 3 foot swells on the res. they said if the race had started 20min later they would have canceled the swim. The bike was 30-40mph gust that just ripped the field apart. I never let it get to me and started the run feeling ok...and then not so ok. First was 20min ahead of me off the bike but by lap 2 I had narrowed that to 5min. I caught him at mile 22 and ran scared as my ZOOT teammate Jim Atkinson was coming on strong. But I held on. The slowest Ironman I have ever done...and the most satisfying by far. I did it, I can't believ I did it.

Comgratulations! You looked great crossing the finish line.
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Congrats Bryan!!!!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Great job Bryan!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Fantastic job on a brutal day, Bryan - Congratulations!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [TankBoy] [ In reply to ]
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It was really bad, especially the swim. The swells just kept coming and you would find yourself underwater instead of taking a stroke. Sighting was impossible unless you waited for the top of a wave. I was having fun at the absurdity of it and waves don't bother me, but I felt so bad for all the first timers I knew they must be pulling out of the lake. The bike was all head and cross wind up to Veyo and it was no joke. People were getting blown all over the road.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [TankBoy] [ In reply to ]
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the age grouper that just came through looked like Faris Al-Sultan lol
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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this is actually fun, I have never watched live streaming of the finishers coming in. Very different perspective from when you are actually the one coming in for the finish.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Hardest IM I've ever done by far. Chop was at least 4' with spray blowing horizontal off the crests. A miracle nobody drowned. Hats off to water safety. I body surfed into the swim exit. Bike was 80 miles of howling headwinds and 30 miles of bombing tailwind descents. Run course was nice. It had a good rhythm of slight ascents and descents.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [albertboyce] [ In reply to ]
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albertboyce wrote:
Hardest IM I've ever done by far. Chop was at least 4' with spray blowing horizontal off the crests. Hats off to water safety.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Strong finishes by the Zoot Ultra Team today! Way to tough it out under such brutal conditions.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [NMGal] [ In reply to ]
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I would say so ... Chuck Sloan takes the overall age group race and wins the 35-39 and his wife wins the 35-39 .... just for starters!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [albertboyce] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Albert! Didn't know you were here, big fan of Coffees of Hawaii!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [albertboyce] [ In reply to ]
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Also a Coffees of Hawaii fan...I even have the swimsuit!

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [albertboyce] [ In reply to ]
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x3. Almost confirmed jackmott's catch phrase that a disc is always faster until you get blown off the road! Loved it on the downhill section with the tailwind though where I hit 88+km/h! Swim and bike were nutz today...run would have been fine but was also tough after the exertion required in the prior 2 events. Volunteers and overall support for the race was amazing. Sad to see the race go but it would be a tough sell to any first-timers after these first 3 years...and they made up almost 500 of the 1800 entries this year!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [albertboyce] [ In reply to ]
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x4. tough one, this is definitely a good, honest course (aside from the conditions today). Too bad the 140.6 is going away for the time being.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else have an elevation gain for the course? My Garmin edge 500 said ~2000m (6500+ feet) but the IMSG website said ~4900 feet. I only ask because my edge 500 usually seems pretty accurate. Any info is appreciated.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [JenSw] [ In reply to ]
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Would pink hav made it funny?


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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you went by me on the bike past the indian reservation and smiled/muttered "isn't this crazy"....or something to that effect!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dev,

I did this race today, and agree that the distance is tough enough that these kind of conditions just make it brutal. The swim was an outright disaster and if we were on the shore when the winds hit, it would have been a TT start. There was no reason for people to be swimming in those conditions (this from someone who has swam in most of the worlds oceans and in some pretty swims). I always knew this place would be carnage if the winds came out of the north as it would funnel down the canyon and turn to the two loops into a grueling affair. On my second loop, I passed some people who were walking the final hill and I couldn't blame them. This was a horrendous day, and I am sure WTC will rest easy with the decision to cancel the event. Holding a race here is a big mistake, IMO.



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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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So, Chaos, the swim was chaos?

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [R10C] [ In reply to ]
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It was more than chaos, it was carnage and some people came out with times that suggest that they found a short route through it all, while other's found routes that were the set distance if not farther. Overall, it's a lovely place, but I won't be back for the 70.3 (never planned on it prior today).



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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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CPT Chaos wrote:
It was more than chaos, it was carnage and some people came out with times that suggest that they found a short route through it all, while other's found routes that were the set distance if not farther. Overall, it's a lovely place, but I won't be back for the 70.3 (never planned on it prior today).

I agree, when I could see, there were several people cutting near that big rock, but then many of the buoys were blown all over
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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I have to agree that people cut the course but likely unknowingly many of the buoys were blown off their moorings. I.d call 3-4 swell with white caps and blowing spray. I'm afairly strong swimmer and I thought it was even a little scary out there.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, people definitely cut the swim, as I was coming in I saw people cutting the Island you have to swim around cutting around 500 yards. Was an epic day for sure crazy swim and the bike was insane with winds gusting over 40. I'm not sure Ironman did any favors for those people who missed the swim cutoff. When I was starting the second loop of the bike and there were people just starting their first and hadn't even got to the hard part I thought to myself they should just turn around and ride back to town. Though I think Ironman must have let people cont. if they missed the bike cutoff.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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I agree it was chaos. I saw a kayaker turtle near me as I swam the back stretch. I was thinking geez the rescuers are going to need rescuing!

The last red turn buoy seemed have moved/be moving as it was actually down wind and closer to shore than the final orange buoy. I went around the orange buoy and then tredded water for a while discussing with the swimmers around me if that was indeed the final turn marker. There were no guides/kayaks to be seen but one boat in the distance seemed to be pointing us to turn and head for shore at that point so that is what we did (effectively rounding the red buoy that was down just wind of us).

I am happy it was not a duathlon though given that it sounds like nothing serious happened to anyone.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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I just won the AG. I can't believe. The conditions were the worst I have ever raced in by a long shot. White caps and 3 foot swells on the res. they said if the race had started 20min later they would have canceled the swim. The bike was 30-40mph gust that just ripped the field apart. I never let it get to me and started the run feeling ok...and then not so ok. First was 20min ahead of me off the bike but by lap 2 I had narrowed that to 5min. I caught him at mile 22 and ran scared as my ZOOT teammate Jim Atkinson was coming on strong. But I held on. The slowest Ironman I have ever done...and the most satisfying by far. I did it, I can't believ I did it.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [scann] [ In reply to ]
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Even though the swim was sketchy I am also glad it wasn't a duathalon particularly in retrospect if no one was hurt or drown.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [vikingmd] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like it was utterly mental out there in the swim. My wife swam a 1:35, which is about half an hour slower than normal.

I was very relieved to see her appear on the tracker after the swim finish.

And very happy this morning to wake up and see she had come through for the 30-35 AG win. It was some tough racing out there - conditions were obviously difficult and and then top 3 were very close time wise all the way through the run.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [SmallAngryMan] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like it was utterly mental out there in the swim. My wife swam a 1:35, which is about half an hour slower than normal.

I was very relieved to see her appear on the tracker after the swim finish.

And very happy this morning to wake up and see she had come through for the 30-35 AG win. It was some tough racing out there - conditions were obviously difficult and and then top 3 were very close time wise all the way through the run.


Interesting how the conditions sounded a bit like a replay of IMSA. Light winds at the very beginning of the swim with a huge increase by the middle and then windy for the rest of the day. Bet you can relate to that. I know my wife and I can. The darn wind flags started flapping just the same way at both events.

Glad to hear your wife had a good result.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [scann] [ In reply to ]
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scann wrote:
I agree it was chaos. I saw a kayaker turtle near me as I swam the back stretch. I was thinking geez the rescuers are going to need rescuing!

The last red turn buoy seemed have moved/be moving as it was actually down wind and closer to shore than the final orange buoy. I went around the orange buoy and then tredded water for a while discussing with the swimmers around me if that was indeed the final turn marker. There were no guides/kayaks to be seen but one boat in the distance seemed to be pointing us to turn and head for shore at that point so that is what we did (effectively rounding the red buoy that was down just wind of us).

I am happy it was not a duathlon though given that it sounds like nothing serious happened to anyone.

Stephen

Tough day out there Stephen, congrats on getting it done.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the props Dev and Jonny. Wow, yeah it was survival mode for sure. Grueling. I started the run conservatively and was never able to pick up the pace to a race effort.. Hats off to the guys who were strong enough to go fast today despite the challenges...major respect!


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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IM is cursed in Utah. As was mentioned before in this thread one just has to remember back to IM Ut. Full to half to grave :( . Many have tried but few have overcome. I wont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [crambo] [ In reply to ]
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Yes but there were alot of us who survived the brutal conditions with really slow swim times who chips were pulled on the 2nd loop regardless of pace before 2:30 pm even though on pace to make the 5:30 pm bike course closure time and complete the race. That is just plain wrong! Why would anyone want to pay money to do an event where the real cuttoff time is not 17 hrs but 7:30 hrs.

Personally now pretty angry since I was trying to qualify for IMH. I struggled to swim the whole course.
I had a (4:20) 15.6 mph pace when my chip was pulled at mile 66 conserving energy for the 2nd loop as many had recommended. Given the chance would I have made the bike cutoff with a sub 8 hr bike. I felt pretty good then & fine now. Really unfair & a ripoff since the bike split of the winner & only age group finisher had a bike split of 8:40 with a 5:23 pace @ mile 66 over a hour slower than mine.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Barb,

I feel for you as yesterday was a day that was beyond anything most of us have ever dealt with, and I think the race organizers tried to do what they could (at the swim), but did not think it through to the rest of the cut off times.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Website wrote:

Bike Cut-Off

There are multiple cut-off locations throughout the bike course.

The cut-offs are at mile 21 at 11:30 a.m. (start of the first loop),

mile 64 at 2:05 p.m. (start of the second loop), mile 95 at 4:30

p.m. (Center Street and SR18 in Veyo), and bike finish at 5:30 p.m.

Any rider who has not reached the cut-off locations by these times

will not be permitted to continue. The bike course will close at 5:30

p.m. Athletes arriving at the bike dismount line after 5:30 p.m. will

not be permitted to continue. If you do not meet the cut-offs at mile

21 or 64 you will be given the option to ride back to T2, or ride in

the SAG vehicle. If you do not meet the 95 mile cut-off you will be

required to ride back in the SAG vehicle. Athletes must be out of

transition and starting the run course by 5:40 p.m. or you will not

be permitted to continue.




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If they gave people until 2:30 to get to loop 2 that is 25 minutes more that advertised. Kinda would have been unfair if they let you continue after the advertised cutoff and then you passed the eventual winner and stole her kona spot.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [jonahsdad] [ In reply to ]
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Yea that's the point it's supposed to be a race to the end!

not to a intermediate pre determined point pre race announced but not pre pay ones money. they did to do adjustments on the swim tiime. I heard later there were still people out ther till 10 am & then riding the couse.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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This race sounds a lot like a typical Silverman 140.6, only less elevation gain-by far

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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BarbBikeTechie wrote:
Yes but there were alot of us who survived the brutal conditions with really slow swim times who chips were pulled on the 2nd loop regardless of pace before 2:30 pm even though on pace to make the 5:30 pm bike course closure time and complete the race. That is just plain wrong! Why would anyone want to pay money to do an event where the real cuttoff time is not 17 hrs but 7:30 hrs.

Personally now pretty angry since I was trying to qualify for IMH. I struggled to swim the whole course.
I had a (4:20) 15.6 mph pace when my chip was pulled at mile 66 conserving energy for the 2nd loop as many had recommended. Given the chance would I have made the bike cutoff with a sub 8 hr bike. I felt pretty good then & fine now. Really unfair & a ripoff since the bike split of the winner & only age group finisher had a bike split of 8:40 with a 5:23 pace @ mile 66 over a hour slower than mine.

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Barb,

So are you saying that she got to the 66 mile of the bike half an hour after you did and they didn't take her chip? That's what the numbers you are quoting imply.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Yes but there were alot of us who survived the brutal conditions with really slow swim times who chips were pulled on the 2nd loop regardless of pace before 2:30 pm even though on pace to make the 5:30 pm bike course closure time and complete the race. That is just plain wrong! Why would anyone want to pay money to do an event where the real cuttoff time is not 17 hrs but 7:30 hrs.
Personally now pretty angry since I was trying to qualify for IMH. I struggled to swim the whole course.
I had a (4:20) 15.6 mph pace when my chip was pulled at mile 66 conserving energy for the 2nd loop as many had recommended. Given the chance would I have made the bike cutoff with a sub 8 hr bike. I felt pretty good then & fine now. Really unfair & a ripoff since the bike split of the winner & only age group finisher had a bike split of 8:40 with a 5:23 pace @ mile 66 over a hour slower than mine.

I don't know if this actually happened in your case, but it is possible the winner changed strategies to ensure making the published time cuts (e.g., maybe overcooking the first loop to make the cut, resulting in a slower overall time). Because of such potential behavior modification, it really is potentially unfair to change published rules while the race is in progress.

It certainly sucks for you, and I'm sorry your day ended in such disappointment.
I don't know your financial situation, but it is still possible for you to get into IMTX which occurs 19May. You still have fresh run legs. You potentially have another shot to show off all your training and try to KQ.

Whatever you do, best of luck. And congratulations on completing such an epic swim - many failed.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Just read through the thread and I can tell you from being out there in that lake that it wasn't 2ft chop. I'd say 4 to 5 ft swells. It literally would pick you up and body slam you down. It's a miracle no one drowned because when I looked around there wasn't a rescue boat in site and the three kayakers I saw were all floundered. I talked to a guy at breakfast and he told me his uncle's boat sank out there yesterday. But as it turned out the swim was the easiest of the three events. The bike was just plain brutal. For as much as I've heard about the wall it was one of the easiest parts of the ride as the gusts were at your back. My slowest time out of 8 and the most painful. I know now how all the geographic features of this state were carved out of the wind over 1000s of years. It only took one day to carve me up!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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I finished the race also yesterday, in just under 15h. My goal was 12.15 ~ 12.30. I'm a slow swimmer, and was shooting for 1h25 but took me 2h08. As others have described, it was brutal. People were all over the place, some had climbed on the islands, many on kayaks and boats. Total carnage. After 1.5h I started getting really tired of fighting these waves, and pushed to make the cutoff and be safe. When I came out of the water I was exhausted. I am very happy everyone make it out alive.

My arms were so tired it was very difficult to handle the bike in the wind. Simply didn't have any power left. Going towards Veyo took forever, but the Veyo wall was probably the easiest part of the day. Downhill was sketchy on the first lap with the wind gusts. Flatted on the second lap, got stomach ache, nose started bleeding, whole body was hurting. Mentally and physically exhausted. Started the run running but was so bloated it became more and more of a walk. Finished around 10pm. Tough tough day.


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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IMSG yesterday was my first Ironman ever... and I finished!
Are they all this tough?

Holy crap it was gnarly out there!!!

About 10 minutes into the swim the wind started blowing, hard. By 20 minutes, I had waves coming over my head from behind. My wife at the start line said sand was blowing all across the lake. At the 2nd turn when you start heading back, I only saw 1 buoy the entire 1.8km return trip. The Salt Lake newpaper reported winds were 40mph and waves up to 5'.

In the water, we could see nothing, but more waves. Maybe another swimmer every few minutes. I would pause and try to spot the rock island since I knew we passed off to the right side. That was my only guide for the entire return trip. There was no cutting the course BTW. A guy who exited the water at the same time as me and was being told he had to swim back out and go around the final red buoy. Must have cut inside it. Harsh...

I thought I'd do a 1:15 swim, but I think it ended up around 1:40. Had fears of not making 2:20 since I didn't have a watch. You couldn't stop and catch a breather because the waves were in your face and you'd just be pushed backward. Couldn't side stroke or breast stroke because the waves would just pour over your head. I literally felt like I was fighting for survival. Made it though, and VERY proud of that.

Then onto the bike. Same 40mph winds on the bike. When I was passed by the 2 leaders, riders were pushing along at a blistering 6mph on a 'false flat' into canyon headwinds. The leaders BLASTED by probably doing about 10-12MPH... like 12MPH is "blasting".

The run sucked. Zig-zag-zig-zag, etc, etc. Great for spectators I guess, but having to cover all those back and forth's really just made it an uninteresting and therefore psychological challenge.
At the awards this morning they said 28% DNF... does that qualify this as the most difficult Ironman in history? Sure as hell felt like it should be.
I give mad props to anyone who survived that swim. It was 'survival' out there, bottom line.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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Let Barb Ride!!!!

So sorry that happened. It seems that yesterday was somewhat unprecendented but I bet you would have made it.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Cobble] [ In reply to ]
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I finished the race also yesterday, in just under 15h. My goal was 12.15 ~ 12.30. I'm a slow swimmer, and was shooting for 1h25 but took me 2h08. As others have described, it was brutal. People were all over the place, some had climbed on the islands, many on kayaks and boats. Total carnage. After 1.5h I started getting really tired of fighting these waves, and pushed to make the cutoff and be safe. When I came out of the water I was exhausted. I am very happy everyone make it out alive.

My arms were so tired it was very difficult to handle the bike in the wind. Simply didn't have any power left. Going towards Veyo took forever, but the Veyo wall was probably the easiest part of the day. Downhill was sketchy on the first lap with the wind gusts. Flatted on the second lap, got stomach ache, nose started bleeding, whole body was hurting. Mentally and physically exhausted. Started the run running but was so bloated it became more and more of a walk. Finished around 10pm. Tough tough day.

I'm tipping my virtual cap to all of you who raced yesterday. Sounds absolutely epic! And the times and DNFs reflect the struggle you all went through. Your non-tri friends and co-workers may not appreciate what you went through but we do. I've only done one IM and I was fortunate to have pretty much perfect weather and it still was a bitch! Nice job, folks whether you finished or not.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [gergzos] [ In reply to ]
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Tough day. Goal was 11:30 and I did 11:58. Bike portion was really hard with winds.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [KonaDreamer] [ In reply to ]
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KonaDreamer wrote:
Iwont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.

Doubt that. Wouldn't be surprised to see the 70.3 sell out for years to come.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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No I guess I'm being misunderstood this is not about the other age grouper at all. She had an 45 min better swim time than then me & was ahead of me at the time the race official pulled my chip though at the pace I was going even allowing for a slower second loop had I'd been allowed to continue with the 9 hours still left I'd probably have finished the bike nearly an hour ahead of her 8:40 split so our elapased total times would have been similar (assuming I'd made it by 5:30 pm) & it would have been a good race in the run.

It used to be that an ironman was race to the finish line after all 3 sports not does not appear to be the case an longer. Has my husband a non triathlete but supportive wondering why anyone would pay $700 to be told they can't continue to the 17 hr cutoff with so much time left.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [JimMoss] [ In reply to ]
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JimMoss wrote:
KonaDreamer wrote:
Iwont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.

Doubt that. Wouldn't be surprised to see the 70.3 sell out for years to come.

I disagree, Jim. I think the 70.3 will struggle to find an audience. It literally has nothing going for it that would draw a big 70.3 crowd. Brutal course, early season, BFE location, no more cool IM swagger, people dont travel as much to a 70.3, etc.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:
vtlars wrote:
10 mph winds? looks like the wind is howling out there !


The wind is gusting so strong out between Gunlock & Veyo that Ben Hoffman was blown off the road and had to unclip and remount his bike.


This is false by the way...
I was driving the lead car and saw the whole thing.

A suspected 40 MPH "gust" came up on us after battling a headwind from the Ivins area up to "the Wall" It was right near a rock quarry and a huge amount of sand blew across the road. I stopped the car- (almost in an effort to block/break the sand from pummeling the cyclists. I knew the wind would still kill them though. It was the worst 'short burst' gust of the day.) but the gust still pushed Hoffman- who had a rear disc - off into the weeds. he handled the bike like a mountain biker champ and got right back on the road. He was off the road for maybe 3 seconds.
Maik Twelsik almost stopped as well, but did take the lead at that moment for a bit.


They basically rode together the entire ride, and I never saw a 3rd place biker from mile 25 on... They had a commanding lead on Axel Zeebroek and anyone else.


The Wall had a bit of a tailwind, and then some battling until Veyo. The ride down Snow Canyon highway gave some relief, and I saw them settle into aero for the first time in a long time.




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They basically rode together the entire ride, and I never saw a 3rd place biker from mile 25 on... They had a commanding lead on Axel Zeebroek and anyone else.


The 2 lead guys were only yards apart when they passed me by Gunlock. Didn't see 3rd for at least another 15 minutes or so, and 4th passed me right before I passed the bike path for my 2nd loop. Definitely looked like a 2-man race from my perspective.

Really can't imagine battling the ride with a full disc though. I was happy to be 'spoked' and having no problem with the side winds.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [KonaDreamer] [ In reply to ]
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IM is cursed in Utah. As was mentioned before in this thread one just has to remember back to IM Ut. Full to half to grave :( . Many have tried but few have overcome. I wont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.

RIP IM Ut & SG

Im interested in hearing why you would something so lame. I personally know MANY people will be racing next year in the St.G half. All of the people Im thinking of (me including) heard that it will be a half next year and said oh yeah, I can complete that distance. I live in St. George and the community here is a community that thrives on physical activities. I respectfully disagree. I think that the 70.3 is a PERFECT fit for this area and I think its here to stay.

As for the race Saturday, I volunteered at T1 and I volunteered at a run aid station on diagonal. I have grown up running and my family is a boating family. I have NEVER seen the weather change as quickly as it did on race day. I was told by a security guy that 1 person had died but that is completely hearsay, the newspaper and local news stations havent reported anything so I doubt that there were fatalites. EVERY swimmer that came in said the swim was the craziest thing I had ever seen. My family has a twin engine 35' Nordic speed boat and I wouldnt even want to be on the lake in the boat let alone swim in it. We were told by the swim director that had the race started 10 minutes later they wouldve "canceled the whole thing." BUT they didnt and sometimes thats how things go. I felt horrible when I saw the people who had finished their day with a DNF.

They did give the swimmers an extra 30-40 minutes before they called time. They even let people who they had pulled out of the water and slower swimmers continue without being timed. It was crazy but many athletes were able to complete. I LOVED helping the athletes in the aid station. I found friends I hadnt seen since running in highschool and college. I learned so much and It made me so excited to start racing tri's.

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I call it the St George kiss goodbye. I did all 3 races the first year in the cold. last year in the heat. And finally we saw what can really happen in southern Utah, the wind. It was sad to hear of so many people not making cutoffs. It was by far and and probably will be forever now that is gone the Hardest Ironman of my life. I was in complete I just want to be done mode and it was fantastic to finish and to have not let the course finish me. I did want to quit many times but I knew this was the last hoorah and I would do everything in my power to see it through.

My hear goes out to those of you who were unable to make finishing a reality. No one is to blame it was chaos out there and as bad as some things were handled the RD kept it going when he could have stopped it and said it was canceled. We knew what we were signed up for and knew that this required extra preparation. If you didn't make it you will live to fight another day. We did the best we could in the circumstance and so did the RD's and the best volunteers on the planet.

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As for the race Saturday, I volunteered at T1 and I volunteered at a run aid station on diagonal.

All the aid stations were great, but what you guys had going on with Diagonal road... CRAZY!
Great theme. Great decoration. Lots of fun to run through.
You guys put alot of time and effort into your little corner of the race and I for one REALLY appreciated it!

Good job up there on Diagonal!

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KonaDreamer wrote:
IM is cursed in Utah. As was mentioned before in this thread one just has to remember back to IM Ut. Full to half to grave :( . Many have tried but few have overcome. I wont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.

RIP IM Ut & SG


Im interested in hearing why you would say something so lame. I personally know MANY people will be racing next year in the St.G half. All of the people Im thinking of (me including) heard that it will be a half next year and said oh yeah, I can complete that distance. I live in St. George and the community here is a community that thrives on physical activities. I respectfully disagree. I think that the 70.3 is a PERFECT fit for this area and I think its here to stay.

As for the race Saturday, I volunteered at T1 and I volunteered at a run aid station on diagonal. I have grown up running and my family is a boating family. I have NEVER seen the weather change as quickly as it did on race day.

The Sand Hollow State Park manager said she had never in the history of the park seen a wind that bad coming from the east like that. She said that they maybe get that easterly wind 3 times per year and never that bad.

I am ALL in on a 70.3 next year and totally agree that it is a perfect fit for the community! This year for the full IM there were approx 80 locals racing and around 300 from N. Utah. (not counting a big number of locals that signed up last minute...) I would expect that number to total well over 700 for the 70.3 next year.




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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [AtoZion] [ In reply to ]
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I hope becoming a 70.3 will atract more people to the area as it is so special and full of some of the nicest people in the country. The legacy that the x3 Ironman event has produced will continue and is now available to a wider base that want an honest tough course somewhere unique, pick here or Branson if you want your new medal to really mean something more.

Good luck, I will be back!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [krash187] [ In reply to ]
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Incredible. Hard to believe the lack of response on this thread. SG went from infamous to legendary yesterday. This was absolutely the most difficult race in IM history. The most obvious and telling three facts. Slowest average finish by an eternal 9 minutes, 13:52. Finish time by a winner 9:07. Mike Reilly the voice of IM can never recall a race won in more than 9 hours. Ben Hoffman was 19 minutes up on second place...after he was literally blown off the course by the wind. The fastest age grouper was over 10:05. And finally the most telling stat: 29 % DNF rate. The scary thing is, as bad as the swim was the bike was worse! 19% did not make the bike cutoff. Which in itself is equivalent to the highest previous record for failure to complete in an entire race (St George 2011). This after they made the marathon course easier! Mixed feelings for me. After completing this monster in 10 and 11 might have been nice to say I did it all three years and finished the toughest race EVER! Knowing my luck I would have again lost my timing chip and not gotten n official time. St George you are gone, but you have assured yourself you will never be forgotten!
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Were you listening to this as you posted that?

http://www.youtube.com/...yer_detailpage#t=17s

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Incredible. Hard to believe the lack of response on this thread. SG went from infamous to legendary yesterday. This was absolutely the most difficult race in IM history. The most obvious and telling three facts. Slowest average finish by an eternal 9 minutes, 13:52. Finish time by a winner 9:07. Mike Reilly the voice of IM can never recall a race won in more than 9 hours. Ben Hoffman was 19 minutes up on second place...after he was literally blown off the course by the wind. The fastest age grouper was over 10:05. And finally the most telling stat: 29 % DNF rate. The scary thing is, as bad as the swim was the bike was worse! 19% did not make the bike cutoff. Which in itself is equivalent to the highest previous record for failure to complete in an entire race (St George 2011). This after they made the marathon course easier! Mixed feelings for me. After completing this monster in 10 and 11 might have been nice to say I did it all three years and finished the toughest race EVER! Knowing my luck I would have again lost my timing chip and not gotten n official time. St George you are gone, but you have assured yourself you will never be forgotten!
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Mike has a short memory...Perhaps he meant that in the last decade or so he can't remember a 9hr plus win.....Tough day and a huge shame that it will be the last time for an IM in St George.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [BarbBikeTechie] [ In reply to ]
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So sorry to hear about all that. There was a lot of "unfairness" out there. My training and traveling partner in his first attempt at the distance, was pulled from the water. It was 30 minutes into the race, he was behind most of the starters but ahead of some. He was instructed to get in the boat, no choice. I don't really have a problem with that as I understand the swim director was doing the best job he could. But ultimately he didn't have the opportunity to finish a race that he trained so hard for. And there were many others like him, given no choice despite being ahead of people who ultimately finished the swim. Oh well, it was a crazy day, and we are very fortunate nobody died


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [twothbeave] [ In reply to ]
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The thoughts that went through my head during the swim, starting at 1000m

Where the hell did that wave come from?


Is it raining?


oh, I get it now, it's a windstorm, duh


Can I swim 1800m into this?


Maybe it's just a 5 minute deal...


Could this have come at a worse time, or from a worse direction?


Maybe if I swim way to the right, that mountain (15 miles away) will offer some protection


Where did everybody go


When are the boats gonna come out here with a megaphone and tell us the swim is cancelled?


Finally there's THE ROCK


Wow, I can't wait to swim downwind


So an hour and a half later, I return to land, to find gozillions of transition bags and bikes. Crazy


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Terra-Man] [ In reply to ]
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I was there yesterday and started the swim..this was to be my first full distance, and by no means am I a strong swimmer. Swim time was likely gonna be around 1:25-1:30 (based on pool times and 70.3 swim times). Plan was just to take my time, get through it and then go for it on bike and run...

Was having a pretty good swim, just before the first turn buoy noticed the spray, and could t figure out where it was coming from.... Then a few minutes later the chop got bad. I turned the first buoy and started for the 300m portion with no intentions of stopping. Was feeling fine...stopped for one second to hang onto a board, in order to get my bearings, as couldn't even see buoy's for the chop...as I'm about to start swimming, the swim director pulled up in his motorized raft and told me to get in..he didn't give me a choice. Had he asked me if I wanted to get in, I would have said no. ( There were several hundred people behind me still swimming), and I didn't argue with him..we then stopped and picked up around 10 more that were ordered to get in the boat...the swim director, was obviously very concerned about everyone in the water, and had it been feasible he probably would have cancelled the swim in the middle of it, but how do you do that with 1400 or so swimmers at various points? He said 10 minutes earlier and the swim would have never happened. to be with the swim director during those tense 20 minutes was interesting. His main concern was every swimmers safety, and rightfully so given that most of the swim support was in danger as well. I saw one kayaker that flipped and we had to pull him in, as he was really struggling to stay afloat, and then there was the boat that took in so much water it started to sink and had to be towed to shore..

My biggest disappointment was that I put a lot into this race financially. St george is a long way from mississippi! On the bright side, training for this race gave me an even better fitness base for the summer. While bummed that I didn't get to finish, that really isn't that big of a deal to me. I like this sport because I enjoy training, enjoy racing, and meeting the people.

They ended up letting us do the bike and the run.. I chose to do the bike and passed on the run bc have been dealing with a hip issue and didn't see the point in making it worse. Did the bike in 6:10 (unofficially obviously but official by my garmin :) it was quite the training ride to say the least..

Within the rescue raft I was on, there were four people who had done more than one IM...one guy was a 1:08 swimmer. A couple of 1:15-1:20's, and a 1:25...found it interesting that several of folks who were pulled had experience withmass start OWS at this distance..
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Terra-Man] [ In reply to ]
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So an hour and a half later, I return to land, to find gozillions of transition bags and bikes. Crazy


Same thing, I was also VERY shocked at the number of bags/bikes in transition when I came thru...

Does anyone have any statistics on IM DNF's and previous hardest races?????

I'd be really interested to know if this was the "hardest" Ironman to date. Surely someone has charts and graphs to measure up finishing times, total DNF's and such to compare.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [adventureboy] [ In reply to ]
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Mike said at the awards that the DNF rate wasn't the highest ever, IM Loisville holds that distinction due to heat.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Did you see how far the roll down went in 40-44?
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In my age group male 50-54, there were 82 starters and 50 finishers...brutal. My guess is that this race attracts a more experienced level of athlete than say, Arizona or Florida. So simple DNF rate not necessarily comparable. Sorta like comparing course times and dnf rates at St. Croix and New Orleans...

But whatever, it was a tough day, and there were some outstanding and inspiring performances out there...kudos to Bryan and others...


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Well Mike's short memory may have failed him on this as well. Louisville 2010. Puhleeseee! 16% IMSG 2010 14%, IMSG 2011 18% (worst previous) IN 2012 29%!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [twothbeave] [ In reply to ]
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For Bryan and Adventure Boy,

http://www.runtri.com/...onman+st+george+2012

The stats are shocking! I guess it was 19% last year, it's in the rounding! As I said before this is just legendary!
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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JimMoss wrote:
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Iwont be long until they pull the plug on the 70.3 race also.
It literally has nothing going for it that would draw a big 70.3 crowd.

K - I'll name one thing going for it. It's 294 miles straight shot south on I-15 from Salt Lake City. The sport continues to grow in Salt Lake City. Most athletes can stomach training indoors on a trainer for a 70.3 in the early build. We get enough good weather days outside in SLC from March-April to get in some longer outside rides. Having said this, I realize that to sell out there will need to be a large number of participants from NV, AZ, CA and other locations to make it a sell out. But I doubt there's a "pull the plug" in the future for the new 70.3.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [twothbeave] [ In reply to ]
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So I'm home now and am trying to find a video of the swim (at the southern portion of the lake). The other thread on this topic has degenerated to where I don't care to reply so I'll ask on this one; anyone seen something posted that portrays what we saw at lake level? I believe my senses have been restored and I sure don't recall it being one ft chop out there.
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Wondering if the link for st George stats takes into account those who got a time for the swim, bc I was a DNF on the swim and they gave me a time of 2:23... A lot of us they took our chips but Still gave us a swim time, and no bike time
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Yes of course it's going to be that high but remember they pulled all the chips off at mile 66 begining sometime after 2 - 2:30 pm on the bike so it was an arbitary decision. So people didn't get to try to make it to the 5:30 pm bike DNF. So anyone with a slow swim time in the brutal conditions got screwed from the start.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [LayLow] [ In reply to ]
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I had no intention of doing this race this year. Then when they announced it would be a 70.3 i thought awe crap I better go do it for the last time (entered in 2010). So the Tuesday before the race I went to the local rec center to make sure I could still swim 2.4. After banging it out in a little over an hour I convinced my wife I could get through it she gave me the go ahead nod. I have boated on sand hollow, work at a boat dealership, own a boat and that was the nastiest storm I have ever seen come up that fast. After the first turn buoy I just remember looking north and seeing the huge dust cloud blowing way off in the distance and thinking this isn't good. After the second turn buoy now swimming straight into the wind I remember just laughing out loud thinking this has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever done. 4 to 5 foot waves is no exaggeration I think there were a couple that probably pushed right around 6 feet. I wish I could have swam with a go-pro.

The finally red turn buoy got blown off and stuck on the island so who knows how far anyone swam. I saw people swimming all over that lake. I went to the last orange one and called it good before turning for the exit. My hats off to the two volunteers out there in the inboard ski boats. That is the kind of storm we see that sinks our customers boats. Once you dip the bow once or twice they start to fill up like a bathtub and the the inevitable happens.

As I crossed the line at 14:14ish I had two thoughts, I am never doing another IM followed closely by you pussy you could have done it faster but you got beat mentally.
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I have so many thoughts about this race...or should I call it my mental Ironman, my day of survival. Sitting here 2 days out from the race and having read all of the previous posts I am here to give you my perspective. Two of my buddies that started the swim were pulled from the water. Both have completed Ironman distance races before. I finished the swim. Why?? Because I didn't see another option. I think those that were close to the boats or the kayaks chose that option. Some were not given the option. That is because it was scary out there. No one would go out for an open water swim in those conditions. One of my friends was sitting on the boat trying to decide whether or not to continue and saw the swimmers floundering, being pushed around by the water and thought, "We are going to have a problem here. All of these people need to be saved and there are not enough boats to save everyone." He made the decision to call it a day. I may have called it a day as well had I been given the option but I did not see any way out of the water except to get through the swim. I am not a strong swimmer. My other two IMSG swims were 1:19. I did this one in 1:52. I have no idea how far I swam but I do know I found all of the red buoys. The yellow ones were nowhere to be found. The truth is that no one can pass judgment on this swim course unless they were in the midst of it. I started swimming 3.5 years ago. I have always done my swim training in a pool. I kept wondering if there was some sort of technique to swimming in water like this. I have no idea how people posted such fast swim times. I felt like I was moving about an inch every stroke. I would stop every 3-4 strokes and look for anything reassuring...a pink cap, a green cap, a buoy. Most of the time all I saw was water. The waves had the effect of someone slapping you repeatedly. I lost all sense of time. It was only about getting done with the swim. I kept thinking (hoping) that the wind was only at Sand Hollow. I knew the north wind would've been worst case scenario on the bike.

And so my feet finally found the ground. My neighbor was there and stripped my wetsuit. Her only comment, "Good job battling through that." Thinking back on T1 I can remember it being a much more subdued atmosphere than the previous two years. I am thinking there were a lot of stressed family members. I know my friend's wife, daughter, and parents were all extremely panicked, tears and all. He was planning on swimming around 1:10. The boat got him to shore at about 2:05.

I was so happy to be out of the water and on my bike, only to be immediately beaten by wind. I hardly ever bike outside. I am a mom with three small children and I work full time nights as a nurse. My life is not such that I have much workout freedom. When I have an hour to bike I choose the computrainer. I am not accustomed to riding in wind AT ALL. But...when you have been in a situation where your only train of thought is survival, your perspective changes. At least that is what happened to me. My whole outlook on the day changed. I was glad to be alive. Glad I was on my bike. Glad to FEEL alive. And when those strong bursts of wind came at me I thought, "You will not defeat me!"

This race did not defeat me. I survived to the end. Was it pretty? NO!!! Those who came out on top, I applaud you. I wanted to finish well. I wanted to finish strong. I wanted to better my time. It didn't happen. But...for the first time in 3 years I LOVED the wall. Ended up being my favorite part of the bike. I am a huge believer in choosing your attitude. I feel bad for those who feel like they were shafted. The truth is, what is done is done. These are races. These are one day events. IRONMAN is not LIFE. Be happy you are alive and safe and with the people you love and those who love you.

Thank you IMSG! I have to admit that the thought did cross my mind, "I am glad I don't have to make the decision whether or not to do this Ironman next year!" But, I am stoked for the 70.3. All three years of this awesome event were VERY different. I feel privileged to have been able to conquer IMSG.
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Wow, great race report.

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I've been frustrated with my 910XT: first one filled up with water and died at Southbeach tri in Miami, and now the second one turns off when I try to follow courses. But, the $399 was worth the scientific proof that I finished the 2012 IMSG swim leg!

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/175826129

I had the autolap set on 500 yds...check out the splits: 5:46, 5:59, 6:06 (looking like a 52 minute swim!), 8:18 (hey, why are the boats creating so much wake), 9:51 (wow, where'd the storm come from?), 10:10 (Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump: "Is that all you got!?!?), ...

I decided before I even left the park on the bike that this was no longer a race, but survival...I was not going to DNF. I'm in awe of all those that not just finished but actually raced.

Slowest Iron-distance race I've ever done, but one of the proudest accomplishments. This is why races like this should continue. I don't think anyone signed up for this race thinking it was going to be easy, even with the run course change. Very disappointed that they've cancelled such a unique event in only it's 3rd year but glad that I got to participate this year.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [deh20] [ In reply to ]
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9th IM at IMSG this year.
I wanted to quick sooooo bad.
When I got to the Veyo wall I about cried.
I kept plugging away.
Have done IMLOU last 3 years( all 12:xx times)
Did 16:17 on Saturday.
I went to a place I have have never been.
It will be the medal I remember as the hardest I ever won!

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My mother-in-law called on Saturday to say that she was watching the race on TV and saw tons of swimmers getting pulled out of the water. She lives in Salt Lake - anyone else up there know about the event being televised live?



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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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I hear you mate! I am still seeing vividly the waves and have good memories of some serious waves (for a lake). My father has video that is grainy and hard to see (he was the boat ramp trying to video the far end, but you can easily pick out the big waves and see the kayaks being tossed aside and boats pitching up and down severely. I would love to see some photos from any of the rescue boats who were on the far end of the course, as the photos of the run into the shore don't even remotely show the true picture.


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Thanks, your description was brilliant and am so glad you finished. WELL DONE!


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POST THEM. I also was the in the middle of that too. That was some serious shit!!! (I was think that for sure, someone was going to die out there)

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Incredible. Hard to believe the lack of response on this thread. SG went from infamous to legendary yesterday. This was absolutely the most difficult race in IM history. The most obvious and telling three facts. Slowest average finish by an eternal 9 minutes, 13:52. Finish time by a winner 9:07.
Mike Reilly the voice of IM can never recall a race won in more than 9 hours. Ben Hoffman was 19 minutes up on second place...after he was literally blown off the course by the wind. The fastest age grouper was over 10:05. And finally the most telling stat: 29 % DNF rate. The scary thing is, as bad as the swim was the bike was worse! 19% did not make the bike cutoff. Which in itself is equivalent to the highest previous record for failure to complete in an entire race (St George 2011). This after they made the marathon course easier! Mixed feelings for me. After completing this monster in 10 and 11 might have been nice to say I did it all three years and finished the toughest race EVER! Knowing my luck I would have again lost my timing chip and not gotten n official time. St George you are gone, but you have assured yourself you will never be forgotten!
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Mike has a short memory...Perhaps he meant that in the last decade or so he can't remember a 9hr plus win.....Tough day and a huge shame that it will be the last time for an IM in St George.

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And presumably Mike Reilly doesn't pay attention to European events...
Last year's Ironman Wales:
Jeremy Jurkiewicz won in 09:04:21.

The swim was moved to a different beach because of unsafe conditions, the video for that still looked gnarly. The winds were the tail end of some hurricane over the Atlantic and the bike course is an exposed (windy) ~8000ft of climbing. Not sure what the DNF rate was (I'm too lazy to check). It likely wasn't as bad as IMSG (don't know, I wasn't at either, but the wind looked hellish) but Mike Reilly should check his memory (or his stats package).

Anyway, IMSG looked like a real challenge, so fair play to anyone who went out in that. It's great to hear the stories from the survivors and finishers. Real grit was shown by everyone who finished, or tried to.

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Incredible. Hard to believe the lack of response on this thread. SG went from infamous to legendary yesterday. This was absolutely the most difficult race in IM history. The most obvious and telling three facts. Slowest average finish by an eternal 9 minutes, 13:52. Finish time by a winner 9:07.
Mike Reilly the voice of IM can never recall a race won in more than 9 hours. Ben Hoffman was 19 minutes up on second place...after he was literally blown off the course by the wind. The fastest age grouper was over 10:05. And finally the most telling stat: 29 % DNF rate. The scary thing is, as bad as the swim was the bike was worse! 19% did not make the bike cutoff. Which in itself is equivalent to the highest previous record for failure to complete in an entire race (St George 2011). This after they made the marathon course easier! Mixed feelings for me. After completing this monster in 10 and 11 might have been nice to say I did it all three years and finished the toughest race EVER! Knowing my luck I would have again lost my timing chip and not gotten n official time. St George you are gone, but you have assured yourself you will never be forgotten!
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Mike has a short memory...Perhaps he meant that in the last decade or so he can't remember a 9hr plus win.....Tough day and a huge shame that it will be the last time for an IM in St George.

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And presumably Mike Reilly doesn't pay attention to European events...
Last year's Ironman Wales:
Jeremy Jurkiewicz won in 09:04:21.

The swim was moved to a different beach because of unsafe conditions, the video for that still looked gnarly. The winds were the tail end of some hurricane over the Atlantic and the bike course is an exposed (windy) ~8000ft of climbing. Not sure what the DNF rate was (I'm too lazy to check). It likely wasn't as bad as IMSG (don't know, I wasn't at either, but the wind looked hellish) but Mike Reilly should check his memory (or his stats package).

Anyway, IMSG looked like a real challenge, so fair play to anyone who went out in that. It's great to hear the stories from the survivors and finishers. Real grit was shown by everyone who finished, or tried to.

I've heard stories of Wales being crazy.

When I first heard about IM StG, I was angry at WTC for "wimping out" on a real SoCal/NoCal/AnyCal Ironman. Yes, Vineman is there. But come on. Dave Scott and Mark Allen are from California.

But, I got talked into it for the last go around.

The circuit needs these races. I don't know if I can time-qualify for Hawaii. I did France as my first, and now I've done this, and there is a special satisfaction to doing Ironman courses that test you against geography and nature. France was the sheer magnitude of a Cat-1 climb. Here it was the wind.

And the community was the best, nicest, and most supportive of any of my five Ironmans. Best run support stations ever. By far.

And no one is really mentioning this, but the roaring headwind on the climbs was only exacerbated by the chip seal concrete. When you slow down, the tires really dig into the chip seal gaps. I would occasionally roll through non-chipped sections for a few yards (and at 25-30mph headwinds, you have a lot of time to try out different kinds of concrete) and that would have been a lot better. You know, so I was doing 8mph rather than 7mph. I had a compact and 11-25, and have never spent so long in 34x25. I think the concrete wouldn't have been as big a deal without the headwind.

Again, I think IM needs some races like this, that aren't supposed to be 3000 people behemoths. Draft pack-breaking climbs. Tough runs. And swims that don't get cancelled unless there's lightning or impossible wakes. That swim was epic, tough, and awesome.

If anything, this day is an argument for the return of the full IM. Bring it back.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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It's a bit lengthy so I'm not going to paste it, but my better half has put up her race report and I think it captures the feel of the day pretty well.

I'm, er, pretty proud.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [SmallAngryMan] [ In reply to ]
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Tell your wife she had a nice blog. Its interesting to re-live my experience that day thru other's writings. Of course... I finished nowhere near 1st place in my AG like she did though :^)

Seems like the run course was forgettable for most people. I found it hugely boring, though my family and friends enjoyed seeing me yo-yo'ing all over the place. If they'd placed the run along a bike path down to the river and along some bluffs, would have made it HUGELY more inspiring and memorable.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [SmallAngryMan] [ In reply to ]
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Her description of the swim is spot on and I copied that section of her blog and sent it to my wife as I couldn't have communicated it any better. I find it interesting that I had a similar time goal and came out the same time as her friend @1:22. I've read a couple of posts where people reported only around a 5 minute delta over their best Ironman swim time. I find that very hard to believe.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [SmallAngryMan] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, I met Laura (my mate Tim was racing with her), and found her to be a great person and super fast racer! Tell her congrats on running them down to win her AG. I hope to see all you guys in Kona!

Cheers,
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [CPT Chaos] [ In reply to ]
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Cheers guys, appreciate the kind words.

Definitely hope to see you out in Kona Cpt
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [rebmd] [ In reply to ]
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Agree that the swim was insane, and people who weren't in the water should try to avoid talking about "12" chop." The earlier description of 4-5' swells is closer to my recollection. I thought the ship was more than just taking on water. A buddy of mine - former collegiate swimmer - said he swam by a boat that had capsized.

I inhaled a bunch of water, could barely breathe during the bike, and had to bail during the run after I started to desaturate at rest while sitting in the ambulance.

Most disappointing race of my life.

Well, I guess I'll have to do another one.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [LayLow] [ In reply to ]
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I agree that it is a great location for a race. I loved it except the wind. 70.3 will be easier to plan and keep the bike course a bit easier. Cant do anything about the wind. The problem is going to be where are you going to draw the participants from? Vegas has a 70.3 and only 90 miles away. I won't travel from the east coast for a 70.3 but I did love it. I would be back for the 140.6 (even though I got pulled of the bike course for being a slow, ill-prepared hack:). It was brutal, but an awesome experience.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [rebmd] [ In reply to ]
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Great attitude. Sorry you got pulled. I got through the swim but was very very concerned about a friend who is am IM arizona finisher. He also got pulled from the water. It was just dangerous. I am glad nobody got killed in the water. I got pulled on the bike, and I'll tell you this. this was my 3rd IM and out of the 7 people in my van off the bike, I was the least experienced.

We all knew IMSG was a beast. We all trained(clearly not enough). This was a special day and i will remember it forever.
Bummer but no dishonor. Looking forward to IMFlorida.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [SmallAngryMan] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats to the wifey! Enjoyed reading her report. She and I had very similar time goals going in. And eerily similar race experiences. I finished a minute ahead of her.

Have fun in Kona!


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [dienekes88] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear you didn't make it, but you got a lot further than most. I made it but had my slowest time of 6 IMs. I swallowed a bunch of water too and am curious about what "desaturate" means. I was constantly peeing on the run and couldn't figure out why.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [mrwoodhouse] [ In reply to ]
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Desaturating meant that my O2 sat (proportion of hemoglobin binding sites that was oxygenated) was low-ish as determined by a portable pulse oximeter that the medics had. Didn't need oxygen, but it was really odd to see a large drop from my baseline that really couldn't be explained by the altitude (~3000 feet).

Swallowing water wouldn't have been a problem. It felt like I actually inhaled it into my lungs when a couple waves crested over me while I was taking a breath. I coughed up a storm and then had breathing issues that have continued (to a much lesser extent) until the present.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [dienekes88] [ In reply to ]
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you might consider seeing your doc in the next couple of days if not back to baseline.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [scca_ita] [ In reply to ]
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Some video of the IMSG 2012 swim from a boat following the Pros.

http://www.youtube.com/...de=1&safe=active
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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I what recall saying was I personally had never brought an Ironman Mens winner in over 9 hours. Which I haven't.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [IMVoice] [ In reply to ]
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Fair enough. That's obviously a very different thing than the recollection of the other poster, who said "Mike Reilly the voice of IM can never recall a race won in more than 9 hours." I (and ultra-tri-guy) was responding to that statement, which is clearly not what you said then...

Good of you to correct the record though. It's nice to have input from the names in triathlon on ST, and Mike Reilly is definitely a name.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [IMVoice] [ In reply to ]
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IMVoice wrote:
I what recall saying was I personally had never brought an Ironman Mens winner in over 9 hours. Which I haven't.


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I think I might have you on a technicality Mike....2006 Ironman Coeur d'Alene..Age-grouper Chris Hauth wins overall in 9:07..I'm sure I heard someone calling out "You are an Ironman" at the finish.....Maybe I am mistaken and that was one of the few races you weren't working.



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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Ultra-tri-guy] [ In reply to ]
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Ultra-tri-guy wrote:
IMVoice wrote:
I what recall saying was I personally had never brought an Ironman Mens winner in over 9 hours. Which I haven't.


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I think I might have you on a technicality Mike....2006 Ironman Coeur d'Alene..Age-grouper Chris Hauth wins overall in 9:07..I'm sure I heard someone calling out "You are an Ironman" at the finish.....Maybe I am mistaken and that was one of the few races you weren't working.



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...and then of course as the pro womens only race moved to Lake Placid the following year age grouper Alex Mroszczyk-Mcdonald was first male and fastest overall in 9:16.....

I know,I know...these weren't male pro races but if we do know one thing about Slowtwitch is that folks are anal about the facts ...

There are two more but after hanging out at over 100 of these things I'm sure they are all starting to melt into one big Iron-mess in the old grey cells....and the cheesheads are a pretty forgettable bunch..;-)


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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So here's a question: IM Lanzarote has fewer registered participants (1694, if the participant list is correct) than IMSG. So why do they keep that race around? I know WTC is trying to maximize their profits (can't blame them for that), but why hang on to Lanzarote and not Saint George? Are there other factors in play?

Tough conditions but incredible location and swim / bike course (run would need improvement). Hard to imagine a better destination race in the US (at least from an east coaster's perspective.) And, I think it's more difficult to justify spending the money to travel that far for a 70.3.

Sad to see it go. Glad I got to participate in the last one.
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [deh20] [ In reply to ]
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deh20 wrote:
So here's a question: IM Lanzarote has fewer registered participants (1694, if the participant list is correct) than IMSG. So why do they keep that race around? I know WTC is trying to maximize their profits (can't blame them for that), but why hang on to Lanzarote and not Saint George? Are there other factors in play?

Tough conditions but incredible location and swim / bike course (run would need improvement). Hard to imagine a better destination race in the US (at least from an east coaster's perspective.) And, I think it's more difficult to justify spending the money to travel that far for a 70.3.

Sad to see it go. Glad I got to participate in the last one.


Lanzarote has been around for 12 years so it has a nice solid history. It fills a niche in both its location and difficulty level. It's located in an area where many pro triathletes do a good bit of winter training. IMSG has seen decreasing enrollment and after a year like this with weather that made things extremely challenging it's likely that next year would have been a bust. Athletes that have trained extensively in the area know that as difficult as last weekends weather was, things could be much worse. Many other reason too and I'm certain others will add them.

As sad as it is today, 20 years from now it will be enjoyable to remember that you did the last IM in St. George "the really tough year when less than 3/4 of the field finished." Few others will remember but you will and that should be enough.

Hugh

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deh20 wrote:
So here's a question: IM Lanzarote has fewer registered participants (1694, if the participant list is correct) than IMSG. So why do they keep that race around? I know WTC is trying to maximize their profits (can't blame them for that), but why hang on to Lanzarote and not Saint George? Are there other factors in play?

Tough conditions but incredible location and swim / bike course (run would need improvement). Hard to imagine a better destination race in the US (at least from an east coaster's perspective.) And, I think it's more difficult to justify spending the money to travel that far for a 70.3.

Sad to see it go. Glad I got to participate in the last one.

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Ironman Lanzerote is a race that is run by people who are passionate about multiports and licence the name from WTC...Ironman St George is owned by WTC which is owned by a company which is now showing a leaning toward developing their portfolio and not developing a great triathlon venue...

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Ultra-tri-guy] [ In reply to ]
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Good points.

And St. George is a great destination in many respects...but name a "great" IM venue where the swim is far removed from the finish...are there any?


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Terra-Man] [ In reply to ]
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Good points.

And St. George is a great destination in many respects...but name a "great" IM venue where the swim is far removed from the finish...are there any?

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Ironman Cairns,which will go down as one of the most beautiful race destinations on the planet has it's swim and transition about 20k'ish from the finish...


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Ultra-tri-guy] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe you are right...but among established races which have long term success, that is the question.

Bad logistics will kill a race once the luster wears off


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Terra-Man] [ In reply to ]
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Terra-Man wrote:
Maybe you are right...but among established races which have long term success, that is the question.

Bad logistics will kill a race once the luster wears off

I suppose if you didn't have a car, the logistics of SG would be difficult. But I found it to be one of the easiest 2 transition races I've ever done. Only challenge was that the directions that they handed out to the spectators were wrong (something like turn down 700 instead of 5000 or vice versa....) The athlete shuttle service was quick and easy.

Compare that with CdA, where we had to stay in Spokane last year because there were no hotels left. Not to mention that a hotel within 3 miles of the start is $300 per night, compared with $129 at the Best Western Abbey Inn (with the best breakfast buffet I have ever had...fresh waffles with strawberry and banana!)
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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Terra-Man] [ In reply to ]
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Terra-Man wrote:
Maybe you are right...but among established races which have long term success, that is the question.

Bad logistics will kill a race once the luster wears off


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I will be very interested in seeing how many go to Cairns as it is right at the start of winter and makes for a very long season for the southern triathletes.If WTC is dissapointed with Cairns and bails after a few years,someone else will take over and put the race on...Personally I liked the small field feel of Challenge Cairns last year as I'm not really a fan of the gong-show mega races.It was one reason I loved Ironman Malaysia but that didn't make enough cash (among other problems) and was canned.


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [Ultra-tri-guy] [ In reply to ]
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Ultra-tri-guy wrote:
Terra-Man wrote:
Good points.

And St. George is a great destination in many respects...but name a "great" IM venue where the swim is far removed from the finish...are there any?


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Ironman Cairns,which will go down as one of the most beautiful race destinations on the planet has it's swim and transition about 20k'ish from the finish...


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Isn't this the first year for IM Cairns? It seems to still be open for entries at this point too. Only time will tell if it's a success.

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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [deh20] [ In reply to ]
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The issue with the logistics is when you are a DA, like me, and leave your bike number stickers at the hotel and can't check your bike in and have to drive back, etc...and also when your friend's wife, who has never seen an IM race, has to choose between seeing the swim and being stuck there for 2.5 hours, or waiting for the bike and run.

Vegas WC has similar issues...but at least there, the check in is at the finish line.

There are very few perfect venues (like Canada, once you get there). St. George is far from perfect. Beautiful scenery. Great support. But challenging logistics. And chip seal roads


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Re: IM St. George thread- The last running today [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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sciguy wrote:
Ultra-tri-guy wrote:
Terra-Man wrote:
Good points.

And St. George is a great destination in many respects...but name a "great" IM venue where the swim is far removed from the finish...are there any?


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Ironman Cairns,which will go down as one of the most beautiful race destinations on the planet has it's swim and transition about 20k'ish from the finish...


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Isn't this the first year for IM Cairns? It seems to still be open for entries at this point too. Only time will tell if it's a success.

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First year as an Ironman branded race and second as an Iron distance after Challenge Cairns last year..the same managment company are putting the race on..It is an awesome venue!

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