I would be surprised if someone good at video editing couldn't get that license plate number. Pretty good view of it at the end.

Jodi

Wow and nobody stopped either. Did they go to police with it? They should be able to get LP number.

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It's probably clear in the original video, transcoded video on youtube from the gopros is notoriously inferior.

Looks to me like the plate was fuzzed out by the editor....

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That wasn't even close! the car was waaaaay into the cyclists lane and clocked them both! Far out!

My first thought is someone with a hangover just not paying attention. (Or still drunk from the night before)

I'd say it's pretty likely the driver will get caught and busted, but stranger things have happened.

Glad they both seem OK-ish

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late 90's up to a 2001 Acura Integra.

Wow. Hope they made it out as well as it seems. Should be fairly easy to get that plate off of the original video. They may want to edit the part where they blew through those two stop signs.

I can't imagine riding on roads like that for an extended period of time and NOT being hit at some point. Scary roads.

Sitting her with my broken clavicle to thank for a driver that pooled out in front of our group ride. Guess its hard to see 60 plus bikes rolling at you? Must be our 0% boddy fat.

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A poster for that story remarked: 1995 Acura Integra, plates 3LTK904

Let's enhance the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk

Hope they are OK, I was hit in a similar situation last year. Totally sucks.

I recently moved to Berkeley, and one of the things that struck me was that people don't like cyclists as much as anywhere else. I've also noticed an absurd amount of drivers talking on their cell phones & texting even though the law prohibits it. Not sure if that lead to this particular collision, however I will certainly be more aware next time I head up Tunnel.

95 Integra definitely is what it looks like. My dad had one of those for many years. You can tell by the rear bumper which does not have the vents/slats that the 1998 integra has. This is a disgusting act, and they need to catch this person ASAP

This is terrible. I hope the driver has already been caught!

http://i.imgur.com/i42A2.jpg

I'm seriously considering getting a GoPro Hero2 because of this and other posts. Mount it on the back of the bike, and my iPhone for video from the front.

Yea no doubt. I was just thing the same thing. How aero do you think one of those are? But seriously you almost have to these days. I think a helmut mounted one would be good for these assholes who like to throw thnigs at people. Look right at em and dont need to worry about remembering the licence plate.

Someone posted the following on the local racing email list from the victim:

"Thank guys for your support! Yesterday I went to the police department and I reported the crime. I also gave the video to the police officer. It was possible to identify the number of the car on the video. The police have located the car and the owner. Now I'm waiting for the return of the police on the case."

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thanks for the update.
let us know if there are any other developments.

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Excellent news.

Pretty scary that there were other cars behind the acura that just kept driving as well.

That's awesome...hopefully some justice will be dished out.

Unfortunately, yes they definitely should have edited that out. There already were plenty of comments streaming in last night when I saw this about how they deserved to be hit for not obeying traffic laws.

Yes, blowing stop signs can be dangerous, but it obviously had absolutely nothing to do with being hit in this case. Yet, that seems to make this somehow justified for a nontrivial amount of motorists viewing this video.

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I go up tunnel all the time too! Just getting there safely feels like training sometimes, let alone the rest of the ride.

For cyclist in some states it is pefectly legal to do a rolling stop or proceed without stopping if there are no cars coming.

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I've decided to go up Tunnel this afternoon, and I may blow those stop signs just in solidarity.

I'm glad these guys aren't seriously hurt.

It's weird but everytime I think of getting a GoPro or similar device I keep thinking that I could be recording my own death, and is that something I'd want my family to see?

This is true in Missouri. We do not have to come to a complete stop if it is clear that there are not any other vehicles coming. Not saying it is in good measure to do this just because the law says we can, but not all states have the same laws.

Yes, but California isn't one of them - it's also a $125 fine. Has nothing to do with the hit and run though.

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The fine depends on where you live? It's 300 something in Santa Clara county.

$50 in NY.

I meant in California, he lives only about 60 miles from where I am. :)

totally OT, but did you work for Entre in the mid 90s or go to Bishop O'Dowd?

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This post includes a statement by the Berkeley Police Department:
http://www.berkeleyside.com/...iver-on-tunnel-road/

yes terrible thought ----- though, if you're dead, and you were hit by someone with money (UPS?) they could live pretty well off of the settlement.

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Any stats from anyone as to which type of collision is more likely from the rear or from the front/side? I might start mounting my gopro for my rides but not sure which way to point it.

To avoid city traffic I ride in the suburbs but that makes it red neck territory and it has its own negatives. I ride solo and I've already had the ocassional a-hole yelling or revving up the engine right when passing by me.
I guess until those a-holes don't get in serious police trouble or a hefty fine they'll keep thinking that harrassing bike riders is good fun.
I'm also debating regarding the camera mount, forward or rear facing. I've found no consensus or statistics that would favor one or the other. Guess the safe bet would be to mount two cameras.

Not me but there are two other SWoo's that ride bikes in the general vicinity and grew up here.

WOW...just saw video...hope all ok

SF TV News just reported an arrest of the driver that hit these two guys. Karma is a bitch.

Shocking seeing that.

hit and run they should get 30 days Jail and the car crushed.

The police everywhere need to be harder on people that break laws.

Thanks for the followup post Cathy.

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Nice place he was hanging out in.....

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They have a video of his car hitting the cyclist. Not of who was driving the car.

Any one of these devices will get the driver to talk

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What an awful, awful invention.

 

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I'm curious why you think so. When it was announced around last Interbike, the only real complaint was the anti-mirror contingency, who thought drafters could use it to spot marshal's in a tri. Otherwise, the occasional glance down when a car is approaching to see that it's not crossing the line, plus the 10 mins of recording in case of a crash sounds like pretty decent features.
But I often miss other obvious things

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Totally agree,


Plus the scumbag reported his car as stolen on the same day, while the cops found the car at the same location than he was... It's not even that he "didn't see" the cyclists, he hit them and purposefully ran away, and tried to get away with it.

Why is it awful?

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Holy crap, this just made CBS national news and the drudgereport...

And yes, the headline just two lines below is classic.

Not to mention the headline two lines above.

The two riders were Brazilians ... they were speaking portuguese after the crash

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Not surprising at all given the demographics of Berkley.

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And, the frame after this one is why you wear a helmet.

Ive ridden on that road once, will never do it again. Its the last stretch of through city Highway before you hit the real highway. People drive through there pissed as hell from all the city traffic. Berkeley streets are such a mess to deal with.

Later down the road the bike lane veers into the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. I thought thats where the collision would have happened, but this looked aggravated or negligent.

Michael Medaglia is the guy they arrested.....what a winner. https://www.facebook.com/...glia/100000749158375

His FB post from 4/17 talks about riding a motorcycle while drunk. Not surprising he's an ex-con.

Plus, the A-hole posted a eulogy to his step son who was HIT ON HIS MOTORCYCLE.....oh,the irony!!!!

agreed

Well, now we know why he didn't stop...

If I only had one I would set it up facing backward. That's where the cars come from. Even the wide angle of a GoPro probably wouldn't see the car that runs a redlight/stop sign and t-bones you. A few of the bike-car collision videos that have been published would only have been seen with a forward-facing camera (i.e the ford expedition that passes a guy during a race only to make an immediate right turn), but those seem to be a much more rare type of accident. I would say that the majority of collisions on the road are caused by cars overtaking cyclists without enough clearance, so I would put the camera on the back.

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What a winner

Considering that his Facebook page is open to the public, I bet it took the police a few minutes to track him down.
It looks like his cell phone auto checks in. Most visited place, the �Jack London Inn� right where the police found him.

Considering that he reported his car being stolen that day, I wonder if the D-Bag is going to claim that it wasn't him driving. Regardless, he's heading back to his second home (prison) for awhile.

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It's amazing how much information people offer up using Facebook.

would be nice for bike base bars and seatposts to have cameras as an option (with the software set to keep recording forever and just keep the last X amount of minutes, instead of stopping when the card is full) as well as have a front wheel dynamo of some sort for power + of course a 5-min capacitive backup for when you stop (so you never have to take them out or deal with batteries lasting only 2 hours when you're out riding for 4), I doubt you'd need a lot of power from the dynamo to run two cameras so it should have minimal impact on your speed, and anyways this would be something you'd have on a training/commuting bike anyways, not on your race bike...

somebody should kickstart this, with all the bike+car accidents there ought to be a market for it (not to mention it'd also cover things like people "buzzing" you by intentionally passing too close, or throwing stuff at you etc.)

While this data from Effective Cycling is rather out-dated, that turns out not to be the case:

http://www.johnforester.com/BTEO/ECIM6.pdf

On page 7 or so, there's a table that lists the types of bike accidents by frequency, and being overtake is way down on the list (two types adding up to less than 4% of the total).

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The facebook page is priceless. He posts that he "hates liars fakes and assholes." 2 posts earlier he has a "watch out for bikers" pic and implies that his stepson died in a motorcycle accident.

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That is for an urban environment. I was thinking more about my experience riding in rural areas on the open road. Per that list though it definitely looks like anyone who frequently rides in urban areas would want to put a camera on the front...

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Here's the setup I have on my bike.

I assume this if for recoding backwards only, no link to a front display?

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Is this something like what you were looking for?
http://cerevellum.com/hindsight.aspx
- rear facing camera with a loop (also a screen to allow use instead of a mirror).

Well, yeah, when by definition there aren't (m)any cross roads ("on the open road"), there aren't many other ways to get hit.

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Correct. I have the handlebar mount sold as an aftermarket product from GoPro, but I rarely use it on the road. Usually for mountain biking or I'll use the handlebar mount on a broomstick to get video of my swim stroke under water. I figure if I'm going to get hit, the chance it higher it will be from behind and the camera will capture the vehicle and hopefully the drivers face. In a forward facing camera, who knows which way the camera will be facing after the chaos of being struck by a vehicle. I suppose I could purchase another camera, but I'd rather save my money or use it on other things.

I do not see any video output port on these for live watching. Looks like you can only transfer the file via USB after you are done.

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Hello klehner and All,

Not so sure about that data from John Forester .............. I think ZackC. has it right ...................




http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/25000/25400/25439/DOT-HS-803-315.pdf

I note that John Forester used only urban data (and excluded rural data which is where we usually ride) from the Cross Study for his book but he must have �adjusted� the data in some other ways to get results quite different from the published Cross Study which shows motorist overtaking cyclist as the largest class of causes for fatal accidents ���.. partly because of the larger speed differential between motorist and bicycle than in intersection crashes.

Regardless of how John parsed his data �� in fairness to John it should be noted that as a probability ���� because of the number of cyclists and number of miles ridden your chances are very good that you will not killed by being hit by a car from behind ����. but if you are killed by a car �� there is a good chance the police report will state �� �struck from behind by motorist who did not see the cyclist ......
Motorist released on own recognizance ���

Excerpts from the 1977 Cross bicycle study:

Page 229 - 231
Class D includes five problem types that occurred when (a) a vehicle overtook and collided with a bicyclist traveling in the same direction, or (b) the threat of an overtaking motor vehicle caused the bicyclist to collide with an object that obstructed the path he would have taken if the obstruction had not been present. Class D does not include cases in which the bicyclist turned or swerved into the path of an overtaking motor vehicle.

Table 36 lists the problem types and subtypes for Class D and shows the proportion of fatal and non-fatal cases that were classified into each problem type and subtype. It can be seen in Table 36 that Class D accounted for nearly 38% of all fatal cases and that nearly one-fourth of all fatal accidents were classified into Problem Type 13 [motorist overtaking � cyclist not seen].

Since Class D accounted for only 10.5% of the non-fatal cases, it is clear that the likelihood of suffering 'fatal injuries is far higher for Class D accidents than for any other accident class. The high incidence of fatal injuries is mainly the result of the high speed of the motor vehicle on impact. About 45% of both the fatal and non-fatal accidents in Class D occurred in a rural area. It also was found that 56% of all rural accidents in the fatal sample and 31% of the rural accidents in the non-fatal sample were classified into Class D.

Few young bicyclists are involved in Type 13 accidents [motorist overtaking � cyclist not seen]. For example, it was found that the age of the 5th centile bicyclist in the fatal and non-fatal samples was 12.9 and 11.2 years, respectively. Apparently, bicyclists younger than 11 or 12 years of age are not permitted to ride during darkness and in the types of areas where Type 13 accidents occur. The median age was 18.3 years for the bicyclists in the non-fatal sample and 20.5 years for bicyclists in the fatal sample.

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A couple of (layman) comments �.. for triathletes the percentages of Class D fatal accidents would be higher because than figure of 38% because we are older � and a good share of the 100% total of the accidents in this study involved children and we are not in that group � also we ride in rural areas where about 45% of the fatal accidents occurred (and 56% fatalities were with the motorist overtaking the cyclist (Class D) � then we should subtract out some percentage of accidents because we do not ride at night a great deal �.. also keep in mind that this study was completed in 1977 and conditions have changed somewhat.

A bit more current data for fatalities:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811156.pdf


Pedalcyclist fatalities occurred more frequently in urban areas (69%), at non-intersection locations (64%), between the hours of 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. (28%), and during the months of June (9%) and September (12%).


http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811386.pdf

most pedalcyclist fatalities in 2009 occurred at non-intersections.

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5 minutes seems way too short, VGA resolution is likely way too low to catch any license plates, and it still has a rechargeable battery instead of a dynamo solution so no, not what I was talking about: rather than this a gopro would be a lot better (since with a large SD card you can record as long as the battery last anyways), but I still think somebody should come up with something like I described...

Haha I guess that is a bit of a tautology...

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There was an arrest made in the Berkeley hit-and-run case:

http://www.ktvu.com/...t-caught-vide/nMkPH/

Some weird things surrounding this case:

• The owner reported the car stolen the day of the hit-and-run (not sure if before or after the incident).
• The owner was staying at a hotel for some reason.
• Apparently the guy was on probation, had heroin, and ammunition (a violation of the probation).

Seems like the guy might have been jacked up on heroin when he drifted into the cyclist(s).

No there isn't a live feed available. Why would anyone care to see live video of me riding? Yes those cameras exist...but not on my budget.

Not to mention that a lot of states have no front license plate requirement so you could be looking at just trying to ID a make/model, and maybe the driver's face, if you use a rear-facing camera.

This incident (and what seems like more frequent ones recently) has prompted me to use my Contour on road rides, not just mountain biking.

I don't know, it could be kinda cool. Imagine friends or family that can see what's going on during a race instead of only the few seconds they see when you run or ride by? Or laughing with friends over stuff that happens during a ride or race. I have an older model ContourHD cam that I like, but I recently saw this. http://looxcie.com/