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It appears their dietary restrictions are different. Maybe that's an incorrect perception; if it's not, why?

I think of cancellara and it looks like he still keeps himself very lean for a guy that excels in tt's. I think of Crowie who I've heard say many times he eats whatever he wants.

If triathletes were as careful as cyclists about their diets, would that change the sport? (that is if I'm even assuming correctly)
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I am no expert in this at all but the one thing I've noticed with runners, swimmers, or cyclist is that they still have to watch their diet. Otherwise they will gain weight a lot faster than triathletes.
I think the body adapt to the single sport but triathletes keep switching things up and maybe that's why we can eat more.
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%FTP wrote:
It appears their dietary restrictions are different. Maybe that's an incorrect perception; if it's not, why?

I think of cancellara and it looks like he still keeps himself very lean for a guy that excels in tt's. I think of Crowie who I've heard say many times he eats whatever he wants.

If triathletes were as careful as cyclists about their diets, would that change the sport? (that is if I'm even assuming correctly)

in short, climbing during a cycling event can destroy your day. climbing in a trathlon? what climb?

cycling has different demands and the UCI word rankings are built around mostly hilly cycling. the great races have great climbs (and cobbles)
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [3Dealz] [ In reply to ]
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In my experience (with high-level collegiate athletes) it's only runners/cyclists that watch what they eat. I've never met anyone that eats more - and cares less about what they are eating - than swimmers. I would think that's because swimming is the least dependent on W/kg.

Also, TTing is reliant power/CdA unlike pro cycling.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [%FTP] [ In reply to ]
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Top triathlete's do watch their diets, many compulsively. They will tend to weigh more than cyclists (and especially runners) since they need muscles for all three sports, and accordingly have higher base metabolic rates along with the ability to burn more daily calories (more muscles to share the load).

As far as the importance of weight:

Swimming - very little (lots of fat, fast masters swimmers out there).

Cycling on the flat - little (it's a surface area to weight exercise)

Cycling on hills - a lot (it's a power to weight exercise)

Running - a lot (it's a power to weight exercise)


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In the end McCormack learned that a racing weight of 175–177 pounds gave him the ideal balance of leanness and strength, and that being aggressive on the bike and more cautious on the run was the best Kona racing strategy for a big fella.






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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [Titanflexr] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know how many calories these top guys are putting down on training days? What kinds of food they eat?

Also find it hard to believe that Macca is 175-177 in that picture. You think it's just Macca playing mind games or did he really weigh that much?
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jsharp9242 wrote:
Also find it hard to believe that Macca is 175-177 in that picture. You think it's just Macca playing mind games or did he really weigh that much?

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [%FTP] [ In reply to ]
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You think triathlete's don't restrict? Check out this tiny meal plan from Leanda Cave on a day with 6 hours+ of training. Endurance sports lend themselves to restriction and disorder, I don't really see differences in prevalence between running, cycling and triathlon.

As for the comment on w/kg not being important because of the lack of critical cycling climbing. WRONG. Running is a constant climb, you are overcoming your mass with each stride.

As for the comment about triathlete's having higher metabolic rates. Wrong as well. The difference here would be small and would not account for different eating behaviours.

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Does anyone know how many calories these top guys are putting down on training days? What kinds of food they eat?

I'm far from being a "top guy," but I was exposed to that environment for a weeklong camp. Executive summary: started pretty fit, did 53hr of training over 8 days, ate 8000-10000 cal/day, lost 5 pounds. What kinds of food? Anything in sight.

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [jsharp9242] [ In reply to ]
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Haven't bothered reading whatever the poster after you is referring to, but Macca is no where near 175 in that picture. It seems he is only 5'11" and most places have him at 150lbs, which is probably closer to true weight. I am 6'1"+ and weigh ~165 and look like Arnie compared to Macca. BTW, it probably depends on the athletes...some are lucky and can eat anything and not put on weight (I am not a pro but fall into that category and have ~5% body fat and don't train too much (a lot less than 10 hours/week)....the more I work out the heavier I get!!).

Edit: and I eat absolute crap...no vegetables unless someone cooks for me or I am eating out, 2-3 cans of coke at work and a 2 litre bottle in the evening (although this maybe Mountain Dew instead). My customary Rocky Road bar in the morning from work cafe plus 2 cookies. The afternoon is something from the vending machine (lately it's been Doritos). In the evening a bag of Haribo (or Pringles if feel like something more savoury), a Skor bar (addictive little bastards....they need to crush those bars up and put them in a big bag, reckon they would sell like hot cakes) and something else (often a chunky Kit Kat at mo). This is around the normal meals of breakfast (this varies a lot from Dunkin stuff (#1 (2 donuts and coffee) or one of their sandwiches) to waffles or eggs), lunch (normally a turkey or chicken sandwich with honey mustard, swiss cheese and tomatoes), and dinner (order in a lot as Manhattan has everything at the press of a few buttons (Delivery.com)...sushi is a favorite as is Thai, Chinese and Indian). So basically, rubbish.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [dwesley] [ In reply to ]
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dwesley wrote:
In my experience (with high-level collegiate athletes) it's only runners/cyclists that watch what they eat. I've never met anyone that eats more - and cares less about what they are eating - than swimmers. I would think that's because swimming is the least dependent on W/kg.

Also, TTing is reliant power/CdA unlike pro cycling.

X 10 on swimmers!!!!! If runners were doing the equivalent training of top swimmers (around 18,000 yds/day), then they'd be running about 36 mi/day, and then they too could eat whatever they want.


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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [jsharp9242] [ In reply to ]
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jsharp9242 wrote:
Does anyone know how many calories these top guys are putting down on training days? What kinds of food they eat?
Went to two talks by Crowie a couple of years ago (after his first and second wins at Kona) and he said he has lots of chocolate milk and loves his donuts. Often indulges in beer too, just to keep the weight on.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [%FTP] [ In reply to ]
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Cyclist, Runners and Triathletes all eat fairly similar. A triathletes training will generally require more calories due to the have both upper and lower body muscle to maintain/recover compared to cyclist and runners which really only care about the legs and then they usually only want the minimum muscle needed before loss of performance.

One big thing is cyclist generally speaking have to be a racing weight for a larger part of the year due to there jobs. Most pros don't even peak at 100% in cycling, only the team leaders do. they may get to 95% or be on great form but never really be at 100%. Triathletes generally speaking have longer periods between races and do peak at 100% for there races so they mainly watch more what they eat in the lead up to major races. And then there's runners who cant really afford to put on to much weight at any time due to the high volume high impact training.

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [%FTP] [ In reply to ]
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To thos that say macca is not 175lbs look at his legs and hips!! Muscle weighs more than fat and he has a lot of muscle down there.

Train with ITU guys who defiantly watch their weight. Went on camp with my squad and it almost got to a point of obsession.

I think there's a video of Chris lieto saying he averages 5000cals a day.

I'm 6 foot 145lbs and defiantly watch what I eat, Moreso not eating crap and dialing back on the carbs at dinner.

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [cannastar] [ In reply to ]
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 "Muscle weighs more than fat"
I think you mean more dense? A pound of fat is the same as a pound of muscle but I believe the same volume of muscle weighs more than that same volume of fat. But it's a bit too early for a physiology lesson and I'm about to get my ass kicked at this half marathon this morning after my 100 mile ride yesterday. Damn you Ironman training!

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To thos that say macca is not 175lbs look at his legs and hips!! Muscle weighs more than fat and he has a lot of muscle down there.

Train with ITU guys who defiantly watch their weight. Went on camp with my squad and it almost got to a point of obsession.

I think there's a video of Chris lieto saying he averages 5000cals a day.

I'm 6 foot 145lbs and defiantly watch what I eat, Moreso not eating crap and dialing back on the carbs at dinner.

Has been discussed to death already but here's NO way Macca weighs 175 in that picture. No friggin' way.

This stat on "TriMaven" is much more likely near reality for his racing weight: 150ish
http://www.trimaven.com/Pro-Men/chris-mccormack

I'll bet he walks around during early training and off-season at 175, sure, but for racing and in that picture, he's definitely 150 or lower.
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dwesley wrote:
In my experience (with high-level collegiate athletes) it's only runners/cyclists that watch what they eat. I've never met anyone that eats more - and cares less about what they are eating - than swimmers. I would think that's because swimming is the least dependent on W/kg.

Also, TTing is reliant power/CdA unlike pro cycling.

Plus, a little bit of bodyfat also helps swimmers. Helps ya float.


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"fat" swimmers.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [3Dealz] [ In reply to ]
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I am no expert in this at all but the one thing I've noticed with runners, swimmers, or cyclist is that they still have to watch their diet. Otherwise they will gain weight a lot faster than triathletes.
I think the body adapt to the single sport but triathletes keep switching things up and maybe that's why we can eat more.

probably not with competitve swimmers, but I could see your point with the other two


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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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I'll bet he walks around during early training and off-season at 175, sure, but for racing and in that picture, he's definitely 150 or lower.

Besides being overconfident in your ability to guess body mass from pictures, you are not giving the hugeness of his ass and legs enough credit. Thats a huge load of muscle hes got in that region, dense, heavy muscle.



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jackmott wrote:
lightheir wrote:

I'll bet he walks around during early training and off-season at 175, sure, but for racing and in that picture, he's definitely 150 or lower.


Besides being overconfident in your ability to guess body mass from pictures, you are not giving the hugeness of his ass and legs enough credit. Thats a huge load of muscle hes got in that region, dense, heavy muscle.

Not overconfident - being honest.

Seriously, do you think Macca walks around in the offeseason at 190? 15lbs over is a typical weight gain for a pro off peak. His ass & legs are NOT huge - yes, they're dense, but you CANNOT get denser than bone, and for muscle, it's not much heavier than water. To think that those slim legs and rear are packing on tons of pounds is ridiculous.

Allen Iverson, the all-star basketball player is taller than Macca and arguably has more muscle mass in his legs and butt because he needs the explosivity for jumping (and the dude could jump like no other.) Even without the anorexic look, he was barely 170lbs. Macca is at least 15, if not 20 under that.
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"fat" swimmers.


And on the other hand, a physique like this would in no way be world running or cycling champion any time soon. (Women's world marathon swim champion.)


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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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there are some elite level cyclist women that are pretty big too. its one of my great 'endurance sports mysteries' - do they NEED the extra mass to get the power, or do they HAVE the extra mass because its a niche sport where you can get away with it?


but yeah, won't work for running.



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jackmott wrote:
there are some elite level cyclist women that are pretty big too. its one of my great 'endurance sports mysteries' - do they NEED the extra mass to get the power, or do they HAVE the extra mass because its a niche sport where you can get away with it?


but yeah, won't work for running.


They're big but not THAT big. She's carrying wayyy more extra fat (not muscle) than any women's pro cyclist for sure. The cyclists do have some big quads, particularly track sprinters, but they certainly have little to no body fat. That swimmer is at least 18% BF, if not more, which is downright pudgy for a typical cyclist or runner.

I'm sure the 'fat' helps in swimming, very analogous to a wetsuit. Fat floats, and you expend less energy on flotation. Even if it saves you 0.25% of energy, in a long race, that may be a crucial advantage to winning. As well, the extra fat may be a lot of 'brown' fat which at least theoretically, could help you generate body heat and possibly work at a more efficient temperature for those easily chilled extremities/etc, but that's just a theory.

Maybe not as much for a sprinter or pool swimmer like Phelps, but I think that marathon swim champion physique pretty much shows this is the case for long-distance swimming at least.
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Maybe not as much for a sprinter or pool swimmer like Phelps, but I think that marathon swim champion physique pretty much shows this is the case for long-distance swimming at least.

the male 25k open water champs are pretty ripped.



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Before moving to triathlon I swam D1 college. I ate whatever I could whenever I could with no holding back. We would be doing 65000+ yards a week with a large amount of it being working yards. During those days our coaches and trainers talked to us about maintaining race weight but it was not a huge worry for 90% of the people on the team. Since moving to tri I watch my weight much closer. I don't think that its just that I am training much less hours than I was as a swimmer, but I can 'feel' my weight much more when running than swimming. Also, swimming races are usually much shorter than running/cycling races.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [Chlorinator] [ In reply to ]
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World-record holder of 20K open-water swim. Not really, but just continuing this debate about fat swimmers.



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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [%FTP] [ In reply to ]
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since switching from multisport to cycling last year i've definitely become more concious of my diet. not necessarily the quality of the food (i've always tried to do lots of veggies, no refined sugars, little processed foods, etc.) but certainly the amount of calories i consume.

i'm also trying to shed the upper body muscle i have left over from my water polo days in college. as a cyclist i have bigger legs, smaller chest and arms, and weigh less than i did as a triathlete.

disclaimer: i'm a cat4 nobody, please don't assume i speak from any sort of professional perspective.
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To beat the dead horse at Macca @ 175:

BMI for 5'11 @ 175 male = 24.4.

'Normal' weight (nonathletes) listed at 18.5-24.9
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/...&submit_e=Submit

Now I know he's got muscle, so it'll throw off the BMI , but take one look at that photo on page 1 as well as the other guys like Craig Alexander (who clocks in at around 150-155lbs himself) and tell me that with that degree of leanness, he's pushing a near-'overweight' BMI. No friggin' way.

Now @ 150lbs, BMI = 20.9, which looks much, much more like what you'd expect from how he looks and how much muscle he's carrying (which actually isn't that much.)
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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lightheir wrote:
To beat the dead horse at Macca @ 175:

BMI for 5'11 @ 175 male = 24.4.

'Normal' weight (nonathletes) listed at 18.5-24.9
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/...&submit_e=Submit

Now I know he's got muscle, so it'll throw off the BMI , but take one look at that photo on page 1 as well as the other guys like Craig Alexander (who clocks in at around 150-155lbs himself) and tell me that with that degree of leanness, he's pushing a near-'overweight' BMI. No friggin' way.

Now @ 150lbs, BMI = 20.9, which looks much, much more like what you'd expect from how he looks and how much muscle he's carrying (which actually isn't that much.)

I weigh 174 lbs and I am unable to see every notch of my breast plate, so going by that fact alone, I will say he is under 174 lbs in that picture.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [Cervelo Apple] [ In reply to ]
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My BMI is the equal of Macca's alleged 175lbs at 5'11", and I look like a friggin' marshmellow in my race pics. And I used to lift weights religiously, so a lot of it is muscle and little is fat, and I still don't look anywhere near as skeletal as all 3 of those guys on the 1st page. Those guys are seriously lean. A BMI of 23+ for that look - no way.
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I am 5'11 and weigh 175......He is full of crap if he says that's his weight.

When I walked past him at an event, I look like a chubby body builder beside him.

I would guess he is about 155-160 MAX.
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Andrew69 wrote:
jsharp9242 wrote:
Does anyone know how many calories these top guys are putting down on training days? What kinds of food they eat?

Went to two talks by Crowie a couple of years ago (after his first and second wins at Kona) and he said he has lots of chocolate milk and loves his donuts. Often indulges in beer too, just to keep the weight on.



I sat at a table beside Crowie the night before Muskoka 70.3 and watched him eat a small pizza and then some sort of pasta dish (fettucini alfredo?) with a ton of salt on everything. Don't remember what he drank or what Mirinda Carfrae ate but she put a ton of salt on everything as well
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [Chlorinator] [ In reply to ]
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Also, swimmers are generally just bigger people than runners and cyclists. Swimmers are generally taller and have more upper body muscle mass. Your average D1 swimmer is probably around 6'2" and 190 or so.

Also, to address another poster's comment that "fat helps you float", well that is true but good technique and a balanced body position are much more important, and actually more fat makes a swimmer's body a bigger projectile and less streamlined.

To address another poster's comment about "plenty of fast fat Masters swimmers", we can say the same about Masters cyclists. The "Old Men Who Get Fat in the Winter Team" cycling T-shirt wouldn't exist otherwise, and I see quite a few fat, over 40 guys who can still ride pretty fast as long as there are no major climbs. Also, even in running, I remember seeing a photo of Henry Rono years ago when he was making a comeback and he ran somewhere around a 4:03 mile despite carrying a good extra 30-40 lbs. I couldn't believe someone with a clearly discernible paunch could be leading a national track meet in the mile. That said though, running is certainly the sport which penalizes extra weight the most. In swimming and cycling on relatively flat conditions, as another poster pointed out, weight just doesn't matter that much.

One final point: once they are at their optimum weight, top swimmers, tri-people, and cyclists HAVE to eat more than runners, because they put in about twice as many hours training as the pure runner.

One more point: since swimmers wear no jersey or singlet to cover their flab, and have most of their body showing, IN THEORY they should have more reason to keep extra pounds off, but apparently it doesn't always work that way...


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I am 5'11 and weigh 175......He is full of crap if he says that's his weight.

When I walked past him at an event, I look like a chubby body builder beside him.

I would guess he is about 155-160 MAX.

Sounds corny, but a lot of appearance involves how and where you carry your weight. Some people have the hip structure/proportion such that the weight disappears on them, while others look like bulbous cows.

I have thin arms and have always carried my weight in my lower body. If I lose weight the middle and upper body extra flesh disappear before the lower body.

That being said I would definitely not guess he is 175 as I am currently 170 at the same height and the looks are not similar.

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Also, to address another poster's comment that "fat helps you float", well that is true but good technique and a balanced body position are much more important, and actually more fat makes a swimmer's body a bigger projectile and less streamlined.
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Acrtually, fat helps fill in those extra ridges and makes you much more hydrodynamic, like a seal or a porpoise.

Do you think those washboard abs and ripped muscles are helping or hindering your profile in the water?

And while I agree with you that body position+technique are far more important than fat, at competitive levels nearly all swimmers have good body position and technique. At the world class level for marathon swims, that's absolutely certain. At that point, having enough body fat to smooth out your ridges as well as give you a teensy flotation edge may be the difference between winning and losing in those long swims. This can also be seen at play even in local pools with nonelite swimmers - I'm sure you've seen the very obese yet surprisingly speedy fat male or female who looks like they could barely run as they are so faf and heavy, yet are surprisingly fast in the pool, even with sloppy form. I had a gal next to me last week who was 5' tall, 210 at least, big fat belly, crappy, sloppy pull for sure, but almost keeping up with me at 1:40/100 despite clearly doing workouts of <1000 yds, and not at high intensity. There is no other factor than fat that was helping her - take that fat away and she'd def be a 2:00+ swimmer given her form flaws, which were being compensated for with her generous buoyancy and round form (which was probably more hydrodynamic than mine - I have the washboard abs.)

There's a youtube video posted recently of one of the fastest HS swimmers who swam nearly fast enough in an event to win an NCAA Div1 race if he posted the same speed, and while he's not fat, he's far from ripped.
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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [linhardt] [ In reply to ]
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linhardt wrote:
k89533720 wrote:
I am 5'11 and weigh 175......He is full of crap if he says that's his weight.

When I walked past him at an event, I look like a chubby body builder beside him.

I would guess he is about 155-160 MAX.


Sounds corny, but a lot of appearance involves how and where you carry your weight. Some people have the hip structure/proportion such that the weight disappears on them, while others look like bulbous cows.

I have thin arms and have always carried my weight in my lower body. If I lose weight the middle and upper body extra flesh disappear before the lower body.

That being said I would definitely not guess he is 175 as I am currently 170 at the same height and the looks are not similar.

While I do agree that some folks can 'hide' their weight, it's nearly impossible to hide that weight when you're in a form fitting triathlon outfit. For sure, Macca is not going to be able to hide 25lbs of weight in that outfit compared to a similarly tall yet 25-30 lbs lighter competitor who looks nearly ideentical in height and build.
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linhardt wrote:
Sounds corny, but a lot of appearance involves how and where you carry your weight

I am an example of this. I am 5'6" and weigh about 137 on race day. A few years ago I was over 180.

When I tell people this, they refuse to believe me. Sure my face is little thinner, and my upper body is a little more bony, but the truth is that my lower body is where all the weight was and still is and that is hard to see, so people tend to think that I lost 10 or 15 pounds at most.

At 137 and single digit body fat, my upper body is super defined, abs, ribs, triceps. My legs, while lean and a little thinner, still look basically the same (no ripped out muscle, or veins, or anything like my upper body). Sure the thigh circumferencehas changed some, but that is not very discernible to people.

In other words, I carry almost all of my weight below the waist, when I gain some and lose some, unless you are measuring my thighs/hip/etc, the difference is pretty hard to notice on me.

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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I KNEW IT ! Its my washboard, totally freaking ripped 6-pack Abs that are slowing me down in the pool. I am that 2:00/100 guy. I've been swimming more yards, working on technique, living by total immersion and it was a god-damn waste of time. I only got 6 seconds better. I needed more cookies and beer instead. Gotta run to the Quickie mart before tomorrow's masters.

Seriously, you may be right.

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Pieter van den hoogenband is a fine example of a fattie whose hydrodynamics allowed him to be so much faster than other skinnier people.

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Re: The diets of pro cyclists vs triathletes [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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Hoogenband was not fat at all. I don't where you're getting that from. He was 6'4" and 180 in his world-class swimming days.




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