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This video is a good reason why a lot of roadies get bent out of shape about aero bars on group rides. Some people just can't be smart enough to stay off them...


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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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I laughed.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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I did too. It's beyond me why he wasn't able to save it. Why did he go off the road in the first place? Just grab the rear brake and ride straight until it stops.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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Because his front wheel was destroyed by the quick release.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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Yes. I saw that part, but it has no bearing on his poor choice to ride it off the road.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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It's hard to control a bike at 30mph that suddenly has fewer spokes than it's supposed to.

ETA: If I know I'm going to crash in my experience it's better to do it off-road.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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NateC wrote:
Yes. I saw that part, but it has no bearing on his poor choice to ride it off the road.

If only a Slowtwitch thread existed where we could evaluate the guy's judgement.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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eganski wrote:
NateC wrote:
Yes. I saw that part, but it has no bearing on his poor choice to ride it off the road.


If only a Slowtwitch thread existed where we could evaluate the guy's judgement.

if only.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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At least he shaves






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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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NateC wrote:
Yes. I saw that part, but it has no bearing on his poor choice to ride it off the road.

Did you see how easily his front wheel collapsed when it hit that chunk of grass on the side of the road? How responsive do you think that wheel was at that point?

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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I've seen this happen in crits and had it happen once. If you stand the bike up straight and get on the back brake, you don't need "responsiveness" you just need to be calm.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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Check out this thread, it's clear based on the video that the guy exercises piss-poor judgement.

This would also be a good time for a facepalm picture.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, I must be having a dense day. You linked back to this thread, but I'm guessing this was posted before?
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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he is lucky he didn't crash on the road, he would have taken out the guy with the head cam,

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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NateC wrote:
I've seen this happen in crits and had it happen once. If you stand the bike up straight and get on the back brake, you don't need "responsiveness" you just need to be calm.

His momentum was taking him to side of the road. If he was gonna correct that direction, he would need "responsiveness." Not to mention that the guy doesn't look like the kind of guy that has ridden a bunch of crits. Surviving situations like that is an acquired skillset.

Guy was clearly an idiot for overlapping wheels and using aero bars in a pace line. No disputing that......but the reality is that he did a pretty good job of keeping the bike upright until he hit the clump of grass.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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If you're looking for something original to discuss, you could always post a link to the video of the Ford Expedition that turns into the parking lot and cuts off the triathlete during the race... /pink

This is about on the same level of repost failure as the Chopper Reid thread that popped up a couple days ago. HTFU ST, and learn how to use the search button!

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [NateC] [ In reply to ]
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How about this thread as additional reasons not to ride in the aero bars in a pace line.


http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...g=m%20ernst;#3516619
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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eganski wrote:
This video is much funnier.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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eganski wrote:
I laughed.

me too
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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James Haycraft wrote:
It's hard to control a bike at 30mph that suddenly has fewer spokes than it's supposed to.

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Watch it again. They weren't doing 30mph. Maybe 20. Look at their gearing and cadence.

Still he had some spoke removed.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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The speed is mostly irrelevant when you lose spokes. I was just going along w/ the title of the video.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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James Haycraft wrote:
The speed is mostly irrelevant when you lose spokes. I was just going along w/ the title of the video.

That was quick.

I wasn't getting on you about it. You're just the one who wrote 30mph so I quoted it. Please forgive?

At least it was the guy who fouled that ended up on the ground. I don't like to see any rider go down, but this situation seems fair enough.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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My evenings are spent watching TV with my laptop in my lap so I can usually respond pretty quickly haha. I'm currently training really hard at being lazy.

Agreed about the one that messed up luckily being the only one that bit it.

Threads like this push my buttons b/c people assume that aero bars = sketchy rider. While in many cases this is true, it's an unfair generalization. I generally judge if a rider is sketchy by seeing how well he (or she) follows the rules. That's a much better way to pre-judge than to simply look at their bars.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like he used his front brake on the dirt. That was the really big mistake, one he probably won't repeat.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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it's an unfair generalization

Its a fine generalization, it just isn't always true. When I show up at a group ride where I don't know the people I make sure to stay clear of anyone with aerobars, at least until I get a chance to see how they ride. Often times they aren't the most squirrely, but as a general rule, yeah they are.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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- drafting on aeros behind two guys who aren't is going to give you a speed advantage, and very likely result in half wheeling. 3rd wheel was obviously trying to correct this because he had stopped pedaling and was moving right hand to drops, but due to poor skills veered right.

- at the same time 2nd wheel veered left suddenly to overtake 1st. If 2nd had his wits, after passing camera dude, he'd have continued straight to overtake 1st, rather than following 1st to the shoulder, then suddenly pulling left.

I'd say this crash was due primarily to poor choices and skills by 3rd. Though I also think 2nd could have been smarter in timing taking the lead.

Doesn't look they were doing 55kph, but I wasn't there.
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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Looks like he used his front brake on the dirt. That was the really big mistake, one he probably won't repeat.

I thought that too the first time I saw it......but when I looked at iy again, he hits a clump of dirt and the wheel seems to collapse.

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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no way they were going 34

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [ZackC.] [ In reply to ]
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ZackC. wrote:
If you're looking for something original to discuss, you could always post a link to the video of the Ford Expedition that turns into the parking lot and cuts off the triathlete during the race... /pink

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Re: Aero bars on group rides... [winstonw] [ In reply to ]
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- drafting on aeros behind two guys who aren't is going to give you a speed advantage, and very likely result in half wheeling.

What about not pushing the pedals so hard?


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jt10000 wrote:
winstonw wrote:
- drafting on aeros behind two guys who aren't is going to give you a speed advantage, and very likely result in half wheeling.


What about not pushing the pedals so hard?

as long as you push less hard well before the guy in front decides to; cos you're exposed to less air resistance than 2nd wheel in front of you, and your hands are no where near the brakes (unless you have AeroBrake)
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