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Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.
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Any wind tunnel data comparing the new shiv to the UCsillyI-approved shiv and/or any other fast tri bikes?

Why no 'bottle' bosses on the top tube for custom bolt-on bento pack storage options? These very handy and versatile top tube bolt bosses are right now already installed on the the trek speed concept, the new giant TT bikes, and will also be on some other upcoming (and very slippery) tri bikes.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Cote and I are in a dealer presentation. But well answer a bunch of questions asap. Yes, there are quite a few graphs.


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Mark is gonna wait to post the graph unto he has full time to explain it. Bottom line, it's fast...


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Cost?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Rappstar wrote:
Mark is gonna wait to post the graph unto he has full time to explain it. Bottom line, it's fast...

How does it fit you? It seems "short and tall", I thought you were a "long and low" guy.

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Can you use a disc cover?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Oh boy....here we go. The moment of truth if my shiv TT is going to be an orphan to its fatty younger brother....can't wait to see the info.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Rappstar wrote:
Mark is gonna wait to post the graph unto he has full time to explain it. Bottom line, it's fast...

Well of course it is (I'd hope). We want to know how fast.

Waiting patiently.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JRenfro] [ In reply to ]
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JRenfro wrote:
Cost?

yes a cost breakdown would be most excellent.

also what's the diff between the S-works and Pro modules (and expert/comp if any)? weight? i'm seeing 11r carbon vs. 10r carbon - what's that mean for the functionality of the bike?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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When can we get one?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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mile2424 wrote:
When can we get one?

I'm shocked it took 10 replies before that question came up!

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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I heard that when the Venge was intruduced. I am still waiting

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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odin99 wrote:
JRenfro wrote:
Cost?

yes a cost breakdown would be most excellent.

also what's the diff between the S-works and Pro modules (and expert/comp if any)? weight? i'm seeing 11r carbon vs. 10r carbon - what's that mean for the functionality of the bike?

Look at the specialized site. Has 4400 for the expert DA, 2800 for the frame set, 5100 for RED...awesome price points.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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another question:

will the current nose-coneless shiv still be made/sold as the UCI- legal version?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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Yes the Shiv TT Module (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) will continue to be sold as the UCI legal Time Trail Bike. The SHIV is a triathlon specific platform.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Chris G] [ In reply to ]
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what about the cost for the 'Comp Rival'? that's where a lot of age groupers will be looking.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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odin99 wrote:
what about the cost for the 'Comp Rival'? that's where a lot of age groupers will be looking.
The costs of all the models are currently on our website but the Comp Rival model is $3300.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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I'm curious how this compares aero-wise to the original Shiv with the Nose-cone (since that's the one I have....)


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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i actually don't see them on the website yet.
http://www.specialized.com/...amp;menuItemId=15757
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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Its been there for a few hours actually. try again.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Oh good....yet another thread about the new Specialized!

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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you're on the canadian website of specialized. Try the USA one
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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yeah, but this one's "official" (at least a Specialized guy started it!)
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Would like to know if testing showed a center pull front brake system better than having the front cable exposed on the left front side of the head tube. I would venture a guess that having just the cable running down the front would have been more aero than having the bigger housing sitting out in the wind.

Also is there enough room when the bladder is in to also place maybe a tube, lever and Co2 inside?

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Curious about cleaning of the water bladder, how easy is it too rinse or clean out. Having experienced food poisoning from a "bladder" (Camelbak) that wasn't fully clean, I'd be hesitant to use the system unless it was easy to clean, and clean fully.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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1) What is the ratio of the aerobars?

2) When will stack/reach be posted on the web?

3) Why no nose cone?

4) Why not a center pull front brake?

5) Limits on rear wheel options?

6) Type of BBs on the 2 framesets?

7) Difference between the 2 framesets?

8) What makes the stem aero?

9) Both frames Di or electronic Ultegra compatible with internal wiring?

10) How does a downtube bottle affect drag?

Thanks,

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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daveinmammoth asked most of my questions, but I would also like to know

- Can you purchase the semi-integrated stem/bars seperate to add to the Pro frameset?

I already have the other components and the S-Works model is out of my price range.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Can you get it with 180mm cranks?

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [ngarcia1110] [ In reply to ]
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This is a great article on the new Shiv
infact, I am surprised how much more in-depth it is than the ST one
Given the intense interest this bike has gathered, would have thought ST would have prepared an article by now

http://www.tririg.com/...New_Specialized_Shiv
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [daveinmammoth] [ In reply to ]
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there is a drag chart in the photos in the link above comparing the new Shiv to the TT and nosecone versions plus the transition. Thankfully it looks like the 3 Shiv versions are close (as my Shiv TT is being built today!!)
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [daveinmammoth] [ In reply to ]
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Will I be able to run my Quarq BB30 cranks on this?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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It appears from the photos that there is a larger gap between the rear wheel and the seat tube and the front wheel and the down tube. Is that correct, and if so, what was the rationale for the increased gap?

Is the rear wheel "gap" simply a result of the vertical dropouts? And why where vertical dropouts chosen over the horizontal on the Shiv TT?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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What does the S Works module including aerobar package weigh?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at prices and specs, I would love to a version spec'd with ultegra or force.

Kinda hitting the price point/ performance level between the rival/apex and the dura ace version.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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To be honest I'm more interested on how it handles than how it looks.....It's all very well designing super aero bikes for Kona,etc.... but most (European) Triathlon courses aren't straight or flat, they are hilly and technical.

What I want is a lightweight, aerodynamic TT bike that climbs, descents and corners like a high-end road bike.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [UKathlete] [ In reply to ]
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UKathlete wrote:
To be honest I'm more interested on how it handles than how it looks.....It's all very well designing super aero bikes for Kona,etc.... but most (European) Triathlon courses aren't straight or flat, they are hilly and technical. What I want is a lightweight, aerodynamic TT bike that climbs, descents and corners like a high-end road bike.

Agreed. What athletes need are some tri bikes set up like this:



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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How much for the S-Works Module? Is a Di2 Module available? I see it shown as the complete bike but not as a module.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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mile2424 wrote:
How much for the S-Works Module? Is a Di2 Module available? I see it shown as the complete bike but not as a module.

There are 7 options on the Specialized website (US site) with pricing, the S-Works Module (red or black) is $6,100 USD and a S-Works Di2 complete bike (black) is $12,700 USD. I'm not sure what you mean by 'Di2 Module', the modules (Shiv and Shiv TT) do not come with components just the frame, fork, bars, crank, seat post, and brakes.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [stickboy1125] [ In reply to ]
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Ah ok, when I had checked yesterday they didn't have prices posted yet.

I wasn't sure if a Di2 module was an option that had different internal Di2 routing.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bespoke] [ In reply to ]
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Nice thing about that graph is that we finally have some data on the venge. It looks like it is about 250 grams less drag than the shiv, which is pretty decent for a road bike.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [daveinmammoth] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Daveinmammoth, I think I can get most of these for you.

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1) What is the ratio of the aerobars?
2) When will stack/reach be posted on the web?

3) Why no nose cone?

4) Why not a center pull front brake?

5) Limits on rear wheel options?

6) Type of BBs on the 2 framesets?

7) Difference between the 2 framesets?

8) What makes the stem aero?

9) Both frames Di or electronic Ultegra compatible with internal wiring?

10) How does a downtube bottle affect drag?

1) Ratio of the aerobar is around 4:1.

2) I'm hunting down the stack and reach charts, I will have Clayton post them along with the geo chart in his original post.

3) the decision for no nosecone came from the need to travel with the bike. Eliminating the nosecone means there are fewer unique parts used on the bike and an athlete traveling with it can typically replace any bolt with parts easily found in a shop. Also, by lengthening the DT airfoil we were able to get similar aerodynamics to what was found in the original Shiv's HT/Nosecone section.


4) We use the same side pull brake front and rear again, so our dealers can stock fewer unique parts. We were also able to get a stronger brake feel from the side pull.


5) I haven't seen a limitation of wheel choice yet. All of Zipp's Firecrest 808s and 404s fit easily.


6) All bikes have our OSBB shell that allows you to run any BB30 crank or any Shimano style crank with supplied adapters.


7) Frame's from SW to Comp share the same exact shape and features. Carbon lay-up has been modified to help lower cost and make a $3300 Rival bike possible!


8) On the back side of the stem there are 3 different heights of "Control Towers" (5mm 25mm and 50mm). These fairings ship with the bike or frame and help reduce cable clutter and provide smooth airflow behind the stem regardless of the riders bar height.





9) Yes, the bikes are equipped with 2 sleeves inside the frame. For bikes with cables the FD and the RD will go down on tube (The mega sewer tube) and the rear brake will go down its own hole. On Di2 and Ultegra Di2 bikes the control box esily fits down the mega sewer tube, while the rear brake is routed down its own separate hole. Cable routing on these bikes is incredible easy.


10) Mark Cote will speak to aerodynamics when he gets home from Kona. He will have the good hard facts for everyone soon.











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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [TriDave79] [ In reply to ]
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The XL will ship with a 175 cranks arm.


TriDave79 wrote:
Can you get it with 180mm cranks?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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What are the crank arm lengths that one can order with the bike?

170-175 only or are there others?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wareagledusty] [ In reply to ]
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Yes Sir, Also, on the SW bike, the TT chainrings have a cut out to allow to a Quarq powermeter. (see below)


wareagledusty wrote:
Will I be able to run my Quarq BB30 cranks on this?





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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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So those of you with current Shiv's, what size do you think you will choose on the Shiv Tri?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly....but a proper TT bike coz they're cool...!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [hgrong] [ In reply to ]
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Again, I'll let Mark speak to the aerodynamics of the bike, however, we did make the choice for vertical drop outs to make the bike easier to use. After testing the bike in CFD we didn't see a gain in drag from the increased wheel gap. Also with the increase in space from the wheel to the frame, it opens up the ability to run high volume tires.


hgrong wrote:
It appears from the photos that there is a larger gap between the rear wheel and the seat tube and the front wheel and the down tube. Is that correct, and if so, what was the rationale for the increased gap?


Is the rear wheel "gap" simply a result of the vertical dropouts? And why where vertical dropouts chosen over the horizontal on the Shiv TT?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [UKathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Hey UKathlete, We have been road testing the bike here in California for about 8 months and the bike handles extremely well for 3 reasons.

First even though the tubes are very deep, Mark and Luc's airfoils are very stable in HIGH crosswind. Even with 90mm deep wheels the bike seems to tac like a sail boat in the wind. It feels fast and predictable. Second, due to the large tubes... the bike is stiff. For years we have said that a bikes overall torsional stiffness is the best predictor of handling and the Shiv is extremely laterally stiff. Even at high lean angles and heavy cornering loads the bike tracks very well. Last, the Shiv TT is one of the best handling TT bikes on the planet thanks to the input from out pro teams. We took what we learned from the Shiv TT and translated that to a triathlon specific platform.


Even on tight and twisty roads, you are going to be able to stay in the aerobar longer and corner with more confidence. We are really proud of how the bike handles.


UKathlete wrote:
To be honest I'm more interested on how it handles than how it looks.....It's all very well designing super aero bikes for Kona,etc.... but most (European) Triathlon courses aren't straight or flat, they are hilly and technical.


What I want is a lightweight, aerodynamic TT bike that climbs, descents and corners like a high-end road bike.




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rickn] [ In reply to ]
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you mean more ;) and at 40kph not 30mph(sorta standard)
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Chris....do you know if the new pads/extensions/shims can be retrofitted to the nosecone Shiv?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, you are correct.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rickn] [ In reply to ]
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and my drag goes up about 75% between those two speeds
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rural] [ In reply to ]
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I 2nd this question about cleaning the bladder ??
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [boilermaker_yv] [ In reply to ]
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The aerobar can not be retrofitted to the original Nosecone Shiv.


Since the brake is mounted to the inside of the original bike's nosecone you would need to have a new fork with brake bosses on it.


Thanks Boilermaker!


boilermaker_yv wrote:
Hey Chris....do you know if the new pads/extensions/shims can be retrofitted to the nosecone Shiv?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Him, good but not exactly stellar then. I missed the 40kph speed first time I saw the graph.
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Of course that is with two bottles.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Bummer......I guess I'll have to do the ST oven surgery to swap the extensions to ski bend.

Thx pal.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jg326] [ In reply to ]
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The bladder can be easily removed from the frame. for cleaning just like a standard hydration bladder.

Also for cleaning the inside of the frame, while we haven't seen a problem or build up or residue yet, we took extra care with finishing the inside of the frame and the area around the bladder with very smooth sealed carbon to make sure that even the most acidic drink can easily be washed off without hurting the carbon on the inside of the frame.


We use an advanced style of carbon molding which uses an EPS (Styrofoam like in a helmet) mandrel coated with latex to help create the complex shapes in the bike while keeping smooth and consistent surface on the inside of the frame. We also use this style of molding in some of out other bikes like the Venge and Shiv TT due to their extreme tube profiles. Keeping tight toleances between the lay-up mandrel and the final shape means fewer wrinkles on the inside of the bike and fewer places for dried up and sticky drink mixes to hide.


I'm working on a video to show how to clean the bladders and frame. we'll post it in this thread when we get it.


thanks Rural





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I 2nd this question about cleaning the bladder ??




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there is a drag chart in the photos in the link above comparing the new Shiv to the TT and nosecone versions plus the transition. Thankfully it looks like the 3 Shiv versions are close (as my Shiv TT is being built today!!)
yes, and it also makes me happy for the same reason! looks like my 2011 +nose is still in the runnin'!






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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [boilermaker_yv] [ In reply to ]
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are you looking for a ski bend for a nosecone shiv?

There are ski bends and straight extensions avaiable for the Nosecone Shiv as well. Have your local Specialized dealer call the warehouse.... we might still have some available.

Cheers.


boilermaker_yv wrote:
Bummer......I guess I'll have to do the ST oven surgery to swap the extensions to ski bend.

Thx pal.



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris,
Why no 'bottle' bosses on the top tube for custom bolt-on bento pack storage options? These useful and versatile top tube bolt bosses are already available on the the trek speed concept, some of the new giant TT bikes, and will also be on some other upcoming (and very slippery) tri bikes. Why not on the tri version of the Shiv? I would imagine that adding them to an existing frame mold would not be a huge endeavor.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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i was told that those were patented
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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I'm loving all of the integrated features that recognize the needs of typical riders.

Among these, the hydration bladder, and the between the bar gel storage/computer mount.

Along those lines, what are you all envisioning as the most aerodynamic method for carrying a flat kit? And why not have it as a built in feature like Trek's rear mounted speed box?

A cut up aero bottle mounted on the seat tube bottle bosses would probably work fairly well, but I have a hard time believing it would work better than something you all design with the frame opening in mind to mount in the same spot and do the same job.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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I doubt those could be patented, bottle bosses have been used before in nearly every conceivable place on a frame. But I could be wrong. Got a patent or patent application number?

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [twinracer2] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah...looks like the TT wins out from ~-8 to ~5 deg of yaw. That's fine by me for the majority of my racing that is in fairly calm conditions here in socal.

Definitely not enough of a difference to make me switch right away. I'm relieved.....


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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i didn't ask that follow up, just asked the original to someone else

but i also determined I could not carry a bottle there anyway, as my knees would continually hit it
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boilermaker_yv wrote:
Bummer......I guess I'll have to do the ST oven surgery to swap the extensions to ski bend.

Thx pal.

you can also just dremmel of the original extensions, I did it like that
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twinracer2 wrote:




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there is a drag chart in the photos in the link above comparing the new Shiv to the TT and nosecone versions plus the transition. Thankfully it looks like the 3 Shiv versions are close (as my Shiv TT is being built today!!)

yes, and it also makes me happy for the same reason! looks like my 2011 +nose is still in the runnin'!




Actually...I'm somewhat surprised by that chart. One would think with the "unshackling" from having to abide by UCI rules that the 2012 Shiv would have been significantly faster than it's other Shiv brethren...

BTW, I'm only seeing about a 5W difference between the Shivs and the Transition at zero yaw...assuming that a Transition is "tied" with a P3C (we've seen data on that before) and recalling that the difference between a P3 and a P4 is about twice that amount...hmmm....



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [alvaro] [ In reply to ]
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Chris R,

I'm having a hard time figuring out which size frame fits me. As a comparison, I've ridden only with Argon E-114 size S which felt like it was a good fit, but it has 20mm less stack and 26mm more reach than Shiv size S. Also Shiv's top tube is 31mm shorter, I'm not sure if that makes a big difference or not. Here's a snap of me on the Argon (yes, I'm aware I could have gone lower and probably the whole position is suboptimal). What I'm most concerned with is that will the extra stack on Shiv allow a proper amount of drop.

Here are my measurements:
Height 170cm (5'7")
Inseam 79.2cm (31.2")
Trunk 59.3cm (23.3")
Forearm 34cm (13.4")
Arm 66.5cm (26.2")
Thigh 59.3cm (23.3")
Lower leg 51.5cm (20.8")
Sternal notch 137.5cm (54.1")
Weight 72kg (159 pounds)

Should I go with size S or maybe even think about XS?

Thanks
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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Yes the Shiv TT Module (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) will continue to be sold as the UCI legal Time Trail Bike. The SHIV is a triathlon specific platform.

What bike does Specialized recommend for the person who, if they want to do TTs, either has to always (i.e. basically EVERYWHERE, but the US) or occasionally (for some events in the US as well...for now) abide by UCI equipment rules?

The S-Works Shiv TT at a list price of $6100 for the frame module is a bit steeply priced for some...and please don't say the aluminum Shiv model. That's "P2K era" technology ;-)



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there is a drag chart in the photos in the link above comparing the new Shiv to the TT and nosecone versions plus the transition. Thankfully it looks like the 3 Shiv versions are close (as my Shiv TT is being built today!!)

yes, and it also makes me happy for the same reason! looks like my 2011 +nose is still in the runnin'!





Actually...I'm somewhat surprised by that chart. One would think with the "unshackling" from having to abide by UCI rules that the 2012 Shiv would have been significantly faster than it's other Shiv brethren...

BTW, I'm only seeing about a 5W difference between the Shivs and the Transition at zero yaw...assuming that a Transition is "tied" with a P3C (we've seen data on that before) and recalling that the difference between a P3 and a P4 is about twice that amount...hmmm....


my guess is that specialized try to make the new shiv more user friendly and adjustable while maintaining drag numbers, instead of making a super slippery bike which is a PITA to adjust and service, as the former nose-cone shiv.

that is enough for me to switch from the nose-cone to the new shiv, but I'm semi-sponsored and can do that at no cost so I'm biased in this decision. The new bike solves a lot of problems I had with the old one so if I can get that without aero cost I'm happy.

The extra drag at zero yaw could be caused by the side-pull front brake, but I'm sure it can be easily tinkered to a center pull
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Actually...I'm somewhat surprised by that chart. One would think with the "unshackling" from having to abide by UCI rules that the 2012 Shiv would have been significantly faster than it's other Shiv brethren...


I agree Tom on one hand....but on the other it seems to me by the responses from Specialized, and well, by the bike itself, that they were going for a purely *functional* triathlon rig that was ~just as fast as the TT version.

I'm sure if they wanted to make a super non UCI bike, they could....it would just have too limited an audience. This bike speaks to both those that go fast and those that have no idea how to zip tie a cage between the bars....


ETA.....I guess I type too slow....lol....same response above.


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my guess is that specialized try to make the new shiv more user friendly and adjustable while maintaining drag numbers, instead of making a super slippery bike which is a PITA to adjust and service, as the former nose-cone shiv.

Well then...let's talk about why the nosecone Shiv was such a PITA to adjust and service. It was because they tried to skirt the UCI "structure" rules in designing the fork/brake/stem system.

So...forget the structure rules and mount the brake normally and then make a separate stem attachment. One could even take advantage of the internal volume of the nosecone to make a place for fluids are repair items. Voila! No longer a PITA.

Here's what I don't get...it seems to me that they could have gotten 95% of what they were looking to do by just designing a non-UCI compliant fork for the Shiv TT frame. That way, the folks who occasionally (or always) need to comply with UCI requirements for TT events would be able to do so with a simple fork swap. Stack and reach dimensions to the pads could even be "adjusted" with how the stem area is designed on the non-UCI fork. Seems to me like that could have been a more cost effective development

Heck....and based on that chart above, it looks like a Shiv TT with a non-UCI compliant fork design may just have even been faster than the other Shivs...

Seems to me like that could have been a more cost effective development...but, maybe that's just me...


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The extra drag at zero yaw could be caused by the side-pull front brake, but I'm sure it can be easily tinkered to a center pull

Yeah, that would be a fairly simple retrofit since both versions use the same mounting studs.



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so are there wheel issues with the new frame? ie larger riders with certain wheels and rubbing?
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BTW, I'm only seeing about a 5W difference between the Shivs and the Transition at zero yaw...assuming that a Transition is "tied" with a P3C (we've seen data on that before) and recalling that the difference between a P3 and a P4 is about twice that amount...hmmm....
I'm not sure if I remember but the Transition/Shiv graphs were probably from tests run at 30mph? The new graphs are at 40kph (25mph), so 30mph wattage differences would be something like 1.7 times as much as these new ones (from what my envelope says).
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I am still trying to get my head around why an integrated system of hydration is desirable. Here's the thing, if you are racing long course and need to fill that internal bladder you will need to:
1. Slow down, grab bottle at aid station
2. Sit up and soft pedal as you try and pour contents into tiny hole on top tube
3. Do all of this before exiting the bottle drop area or be subject to a penalty, otherwise you are carrying that empty with you.

How is this a better option then one on the bars, one behind the seat, especially considering what Cervelo recently published?

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Tom, y'er killin me.

The goal of the new Shiv was to provide the booming triathlon market with a product finally built with their goals in mind. The decision to go 100% UCI illegal was a long and hard fought battle by many of the triathletes internally here at specialized. To be able to develop a product like the Shiv we had make a decision where to allocate our engineering resources sadly that means we pushed away from making a mid-priced UCI legal TT option.


With that said, and Tom... I know you don't want this answer, but the new Shiv Alloy is a pretty rockin bike. The airfoils on the fork, DT, ST, and CSs are all designed to mimic the Shiv TT using a narrow leading edge and a blunt center section. As you've heard us say in the past that shape encourages airflow to stay attached to the shape longer lowering the drag and improving the bikes stability in crosswind. The frame was also developed in conjunction with the new Langster Pro, so the bikes ability to launch "start house sprints" is on par with any carbon TT bike on the market.



The Shiv Alloy also comes with the Alloy version of the new aerobar which give a ton of adjustment, the ability to run any standard stem the rider wants, and free choice of aero extension. Even though we have a large gap in the pricing structure, the new Shiv Alloy is certainly an up to date budget sleeper. We have a lot of TT enthusiasts in-house clamoring to get their hands on it!


Believe me Tom, I wish that gap was patched up too. But with the new Shiv and Shiv Alloy we should provide a much wider range of riders products that fit their experience than ever before!

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What bike does Specialized recommend for the person who, if they want to do TTs, either has to always (i.e. basically EVERYWHERE, but the US) or occasionally (for some events in the US as well...for now) abide by UCI equipment rules?
The S-Works Shiv TT at a list price of $6100 for the frame module is a bit steeply priced for some...and please don't say the aluminum Shiv model. That's "P2K era" technology ;-)




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What speed was being used to report drag differences between the P3 and P4? I thought that Cervelo used 50 kph. A 5W difference at 40 kph is much more significant than a 5W difference at 50 kph.
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Tom A. wrote:
BTW, I'm only seeing about a 5W difference between the Shivs and the Transition at zero yaw...assuming that a Transition is "tied" with a P3C (we've seen data on that before) and recalling that the difference between a P3 and a P4 is about twice that amount...hmmm....

I'm not sure if I remember but the Transition/Shiv graphs were probably from tests run at 30mph? The new graphs are at 40kph (25mph), so 30mph wattage differences would be something like 1.7 times as much as these new ones (from what my envelope says).

Well...I just used the ROT that at race speeds 5W = ~50g of drag at 30mph tunnel speed...and I remembered that the difference at zero yaw for the P4 and P3 was ~100g at 30mph tunnel speed.

Again...this is why I think it's silly that ALL tunnel data isn't just reported in CdA. Then everyone wouldn't have to worry about all of this "what units and what speed" jive...



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Its more universal. The Cervelo test was for a level bottle, with the arms next to the bottle and the riders hands clasped together in front of the bottle. Particularly the hands clasped in front of the bottle is a bit uncommon.

The other thing is that their is 0 penalty to not using the bladder. With the P4 if you can use or run the bottle their is a penalty.


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Tom, y'er killin me.

Well...Mark Cote tells me that I "keep you guys on your toes" ;-)


CakeWalk wrote:
The goal of the new Shiv was to provide the booming triathlon market with a product finally built with their goals in mind. The decision to go 100% UCI illegal was a long and hard fought battle by many of the triathletes internally here at specialized. To be able to develop a product like the Shiv we had make a decision where to allocate our engineering resources sadly that means we pushed away from making a mid-priced UCI legal TT option.

I understand that this new bike wasn't intended to serve the mid-price UCI-legal TT market...I'm guess I'm basically just asking why there isn't a Shiv TT model below the S-Works? That "model" (same shapes, different carbon) is used across all of your other bikes, why not a "Shiv TT Pro"?



CakeWalk wrote:
With that said, and Tom... I know you don't want this answer, but the new Shiv Alloy is a pretty rockin bike. The airfoils on the fork, DT, ST, and CSs are all designed to mimic the Shiv TT using a narrow leading edge and a blunt center section. As you've heard us say in the past that shape encourages airflow to stay attached to the shape longer lowering the drag and improving the bikes stability in crosswind. The frame was also developed in conjunction with the new Langster Pro, so the bikes ability to launch "start house sprints" is on par with any carbon TT bike on the market.

Are we going to get to see some drag data on that bike?


CakeWalk wrote:
The Shiv Alloy also comes with the Alloy version of the new aerobar which give a ton of adjustment, the ability to run any standard stem the rider wants, and free choice of aero extension. Even though we have a large gap in the pricing structure, the new Shiv Alloy is certainly an up to date budget sleeper. We have a lot of TT enthusiasts in-house clamoring to get their hands on it!

I'm thinking the Shiv Alloy might find some use as a "crit bike" ;-) Which reminds me that I need to bug Mark Cote again about coming up with a "Venge Alloy"...





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I think it's meant for LC racing to start full, and then run only 1 bottle between the bar for hand ups.

Let's say it's 50oz (don't know how much it holds, haven't read the thread) that's 2something regular bottles. In a HIM you may not even need to run a bottle cage.

In an IM that eliminates at least 1 bottle hand up completely, maybe 2.

You don't have to worry about losing the bladder on a big bump (i've seen that happen a lot at Soma over the years + at other races) & you have a lot more of your drink of choice on board. = less worry about GI issues later.

Also since we are dealing with triathletes, having them reach behind causes many to swerve out into the lane further, so it could be safer.

All in all it reminds me of the internal bladder on the old bike that Harold Robinson used to ride. Damn it I can't remember the name of the bike.

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desert dude wrote:
I think it's meant for LC racing to start full, and then run only 1 bottle between the bar for hand ups.

Let's say it's 50oz (don't know how much it holds, haven't read the thread) that's 2something regular bottles. In a HIM you may not even need to run a bottle cage.

In an IM that eliminates at least 1 bottle hand up completely, maybe 2.

It's barely a single bottles worth of fluid in the bladder. I'm actually not even sure of the exact ounces but heard it being discussed in one of the videos released somewhere about the bike. Does anyone know exact fluid amount?

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The bladder is 23oz for the M, L, and XL bikes, 20oz for the XS and S bikes.

In the original design meetings for the bike we all expected to see a 72oz bladder with 2 chambers so you could run nutrition and water inside the bike... As the development continued we realized there just isn't that much room inside the bike. The bladder in the production bike is limited by the joint connecting the front triangle and the BB section (OPBBCS). If you run the bladder over the joint there is friction that can over time rupture the system.


As we tested the hydration system in house we realized that by using the bladder as our main water supply and refilling it with a bottle placed on the bar or behind the seat we were able drink more frequently and stay in the aerobar more of the time.


As for the "sloshing" inside of the frame... there isn't any (I thought there would be too! but there just isn't) There isn't any sloshing for 2 reasons. First if you have ridden with a waterbottle on the frame, you have experienced more than you will from the bladder. Due to the narrow profile of the bladder it limits the amount of movement the liquid in the bottle can have (think about sloshing a beer stein and a champaign flute, liquid in the flute doesn't travel as far up the sides of the glass as the stein.) Second, as the water is removed from the bladder all of the volume isn't replaced with air. The weight of the liquid inside holds the bladder open, without the water inside, it collapses on itsself reducing the movement of the fluid inside.


Thanks werobert!


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Does anyone know exact fluid amount?




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I am confused as hell on the sizing.

Currently, I ride a Large Transition with just a small spacer on the stem. The stack/reach is - 526/405.

Looking at the Shiv (stack/reach):

Medium - 540/405
Large -565/425

I thought the Transition was a narrow, tall frame. The Shiv looks even more so. So, if I were to go from the Transition to the Shiv, it seems like a drop from the Large (Transition) to the Medium (Shiv). Yes?

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Ahhh, what a good idea you have!


Currently we don't have many molds for the Shiv TT, think one set per size. Also, the cost of using the latex over EPS mandrel is substantial. For every frame we pop out of the mold, we destroy the mandrel used to create the complex shape of the bike. For a low volume bike like the Shiv TT its tough to make that type of investment sound appealing to the guys writing the checks.


The real solution will be putting some engineering muscle behind the project in the future and creating a bike as fast as the current Shiv TT with an easier to produce frame.


and I'm going to leave the nitty gritty aero details on all the bikes to the Aero Pharaoh himself. I know he is excited to talk about it when Kona is over. This entire project has been tough to keep quiet from the start!!!


Tom A. wrote:
CakeWalk wrote:
I understand that this new bike wasn't intended to serve the mid-price UCI-legal TT market...I'm guess I'm basically just asking why there isn't a Shiv TT model below the S-Works? That "model" (same shapes, different carbon) is used across all of your other bikes, why not a "Shiv TT Pro"?


Are we going to get to see some drag data on that bike?





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Hey UKathlete, We have been road testing the bike here in California for about 8 months and the bike handles extremely well for 3 reasons.

First even though the tubes are very deep, Mark and Luc's airfoils are very stable in HIGH crosswind. Even with 90mm deep wheels the bike seems to tac like a sail boat in the wind. It feels fast and predictable. Second, due to the large tubes... the bike is stiff. For years we have said that a bikes overall torsional stiffness is the best predictor of handling and the Shiv is extremely laterally stiff. Even at high lean angles and heavy cornering loads the bike tracks very well. Last, the Shiv TT is one of the best handling TT bikes on the planet thanks to the input from out pro teams. We took what we learned from the Shiv TT and translated that to a triathlon specific platform.


Even on tight and twisty roads, you are going to be able to stay in the aerobar longer and corner with more confidence. We are really proud of how the bike handles.


UKathlete wrote:
To be honest I'm more interested on how it handles than how it looks.....It's all very well designing super aero bikes for Kona,etc.... but most (European) Triathlon courses aren't straight or flat, they are hilly and technical.


What I want is a lightweight, aerodynamic TT bike that climbs, descents and corners like a high-end road bike.

Good to hear, I'm going to me in the market for a new bike to upgrade from my Transition, which has taken a bit of a beating over the last 3 years...! The shiv is definatley a top contender, but which one, I'm not sure about yet...! For me it's 95% about the handling..
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Chris, Slightly off topic question - I've got a Shiv TT being built right now, expect to pick it up today. When we opened the box at the shop we found that the frame was 100% matte black, no gloss accents except on the fork. The clear-coat is fine, just no glossy black on the frame at all. Is that how theyre shipping now or did I get a one-off? Personally i LOVE it and would have ordered it sooner if I new it was goinng to be all matte/nude carbon. Make the Shiv Tri in matte black and I'd reconsider my frame choice :)
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Hi Styrrell,

Two small details:

1. The rider need not actually clasp hands; just holding the aerobar extensions is all we did. No special hand position, just a bottle between the arms. See figure 3 in the blog post: http://cervelo.com/...d-aerodynamics/2930/

2. There is no aero penalty for using a bottle on the P4. There is a penalty for mounting a bottle on any other frame. See the data here: http://www.slowtwitch.com/...the_Tunnel_1929.html

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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.

What is the overall stack of the new S-Works Shiv with the included aero bars? All you show on the Specialized website is frame stack. For reach we can assume that it will be frame reach + 60 or 90 mm for the stem lengths, correct?
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There is one indisputable fact about the Shiv-Tri, well almost indisputable:

1. For some reason, not understood to me, triathletes love having an aerodrink with a straw up in the front of their bike. This is a fact

2. The shiv provides almost that same functionality is a way that is 99% less stupid - the straw is not sticking up all the time, it is more aero, weight is better located. If it doesn't spill when you lay the bike down, another bonus!

so I conclude this bike will be popular.

The only counterpoint is that the bladder does not hold the 10 gallons that many of the aerodrink products do, so many sprint triathletes will probably die of dehydration.

Another point - not every can use the between the arms bottle. Some peoples extensions are too short, or have weird bends that make it impossible or awkward. or their iphone is already there.



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"The real solution will be putting some engineering muscle behind the project in the future and creating a bike as fast as the current Shiv TT with an easier to produce frame."

A golden nugget for those who rail against you guys for the costs of these super aero bikes we're demanding of you manufacturers. It's always give and take in product design and manufacturing. That "engineering muscle" isn't going to be cheap either.


And thanks to those within the Specialized fold who fought to bring this bike to fruition. I've been waiting...

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Hello Damon,
I guess clasped isn't the correct descrtor, but in the pic aren't the riders hands touching? I've commonly seen hand/bottle/hand in pictures.

I didn't mean their is a penalty for running the P4 integrated bottle, but if you can't use it in a UCI race and need to leave it off and put another bottle in its place , in the same position, isn't there a slight penalty.

Don't get me wrong, I have a friend with a P4 and he raves about. It just that on the finer points of aero I think its important to get the tiny details correct.

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CakeWalk wrote:
Ahhh, what a good idea you have!


Which one? I have LOTS of ideas...


CakeWalk wrote:
Currently we don't have many molds for the Shiv TT, think one set per size. Also, the cost of using the latex over EPS mandrel is substantial. For every frame we pop out of the mold, we destroy the mandrel used to create the complex shape of the bike. For a low volume bike like the Shiv TT its tough to make that type of investment sound appealing to the guys writing the checks.



Sure...but is that a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" thing? Is the Shiv TT low volume because the only offering is high end?

You know, I don't recall seeing very many Transitions at the local and district TTs (or even local triathlons) until the mid and lower end models (i.e. the non-Sworks Transitions...the Pro, Expert, Comp, etc.) were widely available and people could see that they were getting the exact same aero performance as the S-Works Transition at a much more reasonable price. In fact, for a while, IMO the Transition Pro frameset was pretty much the best "bang for the buck" TT frame one could buy (probably tied with the P2C)...until the UCI decided that the fins had to be sawn off in order to use them in UCI regulated TTs :-/



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What's your thoughts on the Alloy version coming out? My Cervelo Dual has seen better days recently...and heck, it seems like a killer deal.



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Few questions:

1) Can you simply elect to not run the internal hydration setup? Is there a reliable, waterproof plug to cap the entry point? I personally prefer the simplicity of a torpedo bottle between my bars and, in the case of the Shiv, a seat tube bottle.

2) With the aerobar, I notice the straw is held on by a magnet to alloy extensions. How is the straw held in place if you use carbon extensions?

3) How might the sweat from the bladder impact Di2 wires running in the frame?

3) On the Specialized website, there OSBB frameset is shown, but there is no aerobar, extensions,. fairing, etc. Is this analogous to the Speed Concept 7 series where you'll simply run a normal stem and spacer?

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stratman05 wrote:
What's your thoughts on the Alloy version coming out? My Cervelo Dual has seen better days recently...and heck, it seems like a killer deal.

Until we see data on it's performance...there's no way of knowing if it's an upgrade or not from your dual...



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Another point - not every can use the between the arms bottle. Some peoples extensions are too short, or have weird bends that make it impossible or awkward. or their iphone is already there.

Mine hits the front tire!
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Thats not a tough one. With a straw (and I got rid or the rigid one after the first ride) I can lift the tube and drink without getting out of my aero position even for a second. Just a little turn of the wrist. No other fluid replenishment solution allows a lower aero penalty, especailly since most racing orgs don't let you use IVs anymore (yeah someone tried it in a race).

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2) With the aerobar, I notice the straw is held on by a magnet to alloy extensions. How is the straw held in place if you use carbon extensions?

It's highly unlikely that the current extensions are steel (the only material that would function as you suggest), which leads one to conclude that there is another magnet involved. Which would work with carbon or any other material.
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On the photos I've seen the magnet attached to the extension. I don't know what the material is, but the photo is rather clear.

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I take that back, I looked at the photo on the front page and it appears as though there is a rubber band that goes around the extension that has a magnet. My bad. Seems a bit odd since you'll have to put it back when you're done, thus taking your eyes off the road.

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I do not get out of the aero position to drink with a torpedo bottle.


styrrell wrote:
Thats not a tough one. With a straw (and I got rid or the rigid one after the first ride) I can lift the tube and drink without getting out of my aero position even for a second. Just a little turn of the wrist. No other fluid replenishment solution allows a lower aero penalty, especailly since most racing orgs don't let you use IVs anymore (yeah someone tried it in a race).

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Not a crit racer

Macho Grande wrote:
Seems a bit odd since you'll have to put it back when you're done, thus taking your eyes off the road.

Bob



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Yes, well, we can't all be Mr. Mott.

Bob



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Ddn't say out of the aero position, I said no aero penalty. How exactly does the fluid get into your belly, without an aero penalty?

Styrrell

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [styrrell] [ In reply to ]
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styrrell wrote:
Ddn't say out of the aero position, I said no aero penalty. How exactly does the fluid get into your belly, without an aero penalty?

You guys need to think more "out of the box"...I think someone needs to incorporate one of these things into an aero helmet ;-)



(BTW...just a hint...but since you write "Styrrell" at the end of every post anyway, how about just making that your signature file? It's a pain to have to cut your name out of every reply I quote of yours)



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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How easy is it to refill the bladder during the ride? Any chance of a video on this process? Thanks guys for listening to the masses.

Robert Driskell
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Bayou Bicycles New Orleans,LA
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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What is weight on this bike compared to prior shiv?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bootsie_cat] [ In reply to ]
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A lot heavier I suspect.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Ok,

I think at least one person wanted to use your idea and put a badder in the aero tail.

Styrrell
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curly wrote:
A lot heavier I suspect.

I doubt it, the nosecone shiv weights a ton
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [styrrell] [ In reply to ]
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i think it could be used as a catheter resevoir for those of you that don't want to wet yourselves while riding, just use a different tube dia ;)
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styrrell wrote:
Ok,

I think at least one person wanted to use your idea and put a badder in the aero tail.

Thanks for moving your signature :-)



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Its going to take some getting used to. typiing it every time is pretty natural.

Styrrell
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [dongustav] [ In reply to ]
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Dong, currently all of the bikes are shipping in full matte just like you received. My personal opinion... man that bike looks good!!! I've alwasy been a fan of black on black on black on black.


I'm glad you are digging it!


dongustav wrote:
Chris, Slightly off topic question - I've got a Shiv TT being built right now, expect to pick it up today. When we opened the box at the shop we found that the frame was 100% matte black, no gloss accents except on the fork. The clear-coat is fine, just no glossy black on the frame at all. Is that how theyre shipping now or did I get a one-off? Personally i LOVE it and would have ordered it sooner if I new it was goinng to be all matte/nude carbon. Make the Shiv Tri in matte black and I'd reconsider my frame choice :)




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Cakewalk,

Looking at the stack and reach information on the website - reach wise, the large is the frame for me, but my stack is 53.5 (3 centimeters lower than what is listed on the website). How much lower can the large go on it's stack?

Thanks,

twomarks
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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Hey JSA

The in the later years of the Transition we started realizing that the frame was actually a little low (especially in the larger sizes) thanks to data we were receiving from our BG Fitters. Starting the project for the Shiv we wanted to have a bike that not only had a huge range of fit... but was also easy to fit for our dealers.


JSA, you are correct. The medium bike will be the easiest way to replicate your fit.




JSA wrote:
I am confused as hell on the sizing.


Currently, I ride a Large Transition with just a small spacer on the stem. The stack/reach is - 526/405.

Looking at the Shiv (stack/reach):

Medium - 540/405
Large -565/425

I thought the Transition was a narrow, tall frame. The Shiv looks even more so. So, if I were to go from the Transition to the Shiv, it seems like a drop from the Large (Transition) to the Medium (Shiv). Yes?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [UKathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to hear you're pickin up what we're putting down. When you get a chance to ride one, make sure you let me know what you think!


UKathlete wrote:
Good to hear, I'm going to me in the market for a new bike to upgrade from my Transition, which has taken a bit of a beating over the last 3 years...! The shiv is definatley a top contender, but which one, I'm not sure about yet...! For me it's 95% about the handling..



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Shiv-er] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Shiv-er let me see if I can answer this one.

here is the S&R chart for the bike:


You are correct, with the stem flipping from 60-90mm you can add that on for your reach to the basebar. However, with this bike we are running a standard 1 1/8th" steer tube so riders will be able to choose any stem and bar they want. (the full integrated carbon aerobar/stem and the alloy bar will also be available in the aftermarket.)

Next on the stack height, with the S-Works carbon bar with integrated stem from the center of the HT to the basebar measures 35mm and from the basebar to the armpad measures 45mm for a total of 80mm from the center of the HT to the arm pad. This is essentially the lowest stock set up.

With this bike and stock parts we have been able to fit both Ben Hoffman and Rasmus easily on the bike [Crowie, as you have seen, runs a Pro cockpit (not to mention Mark, Myself, and many other test dummies in the building!)]

From the lowest position the rider can add up to 50mm of spacer in 5mm increments under the extensions

and 25mm or 50mm of additional height to the steertube with use of the included Control Towers!!!

This means from the stock set up a rider can come up an additional 10cm. This bike is incredibly easy to fit.

Parts are shown below:



The bike also ships with this kit:




including:

Spacers for the extensions in 20mm, 10mm and 5mm heights



3 heights (5mm, 25mm, and 50mm) of behind the stem Control Tower Fairings.



Alright Shiv-er, I hope that covers the basics. We did alot of thinking and reserch about what a REAL triathlete needed and aimed to not just fit the ultra-low extreme of UCI Pro cyclists. Hopefully this is just want everyone has been hoping for.

if you need any more clarification please ask. I'll be fielding questions when I can.

thanks!!!


Shiv-er wrote:
What is the overall stack of the new S-Works Shiv with the included aero bars? All you show on the Specialized website is frame stack. For reach we can assume that it will be frame reach + 60 or 90 mm for the stem lengths, correct?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Macho,

1) Yes you can run the bike without the bladder. The frame will ship with a small cap with will close the frame from sweat, water, and rain.



2) the magnet is held to the bar by a "knog" like rubber piece. It can be easily moved anywhere the rider wants.


The cables and wires are both sealed away from the bladder. If you look at the X-Ray of the bike you can see that there is stiff plastic housing that runs from the holes at the top of the TT to the BB so the user can easily guide the cables through the frame.






4) Yes sir, you can run and Stem/Bar combo you want. the Steer tube is 1 18th inches and will accept any standard stem.


Macho Grande wrote:
Few questions:


1) Can you simply elect to not run the internal hydration setup? Is there a reliable, waterproof plug to cap the entry point? I personally prefer the simplicity of a torpedo bottle between my bars and, in the case of the Shiv, a seat tube bottle.

2) With the aerobar, I notice the straw is held on by a magnet to alloy extensions. How is the straw held in place if you use carbon extensions?

3) How might the sweat from the bladder impact Di2 wires running in the frame?

3) On the Specialized website, there OSBB frameset is shown, but there is no aerobar, extensions,. fairing, etc. Is this analogous to the Speed Concept 7 series where you'll simply run a normal stem and spacer?

Thanks,

Bob




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [alvaro] [ In reply to ]
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Race ready, lighter than my Transition so hardly a ton.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Jordan, how does the sizing compare between the 2011 shiv and the new SHIV tri? I am cuurrenting on a 2011 Shiv.

Thanks.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Also, what are the crank arm lengths for the Medium and Large SHIV sizes?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Are you planning on utilizing the in frame storage technology in your mountain bikes and if so how much weed is expected to fit in there? I have some mountain biker friends that are wondering.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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CakeWalk wrote:

The bike also ships with this kit:





I've read the new carbon handlebar will be made available seprately too. Any release date for it? And price? Also, will it ship with the same kit as pictured above?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for being so helpful on this forum. The bike looks very "beefy" I am a female-srong rider, but only 110 pounds so frame weight is important to me. Can you compare the weight of say a speed concept and P4 built up similarly? thank you.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris,

Just wondering how wide the basebars are center to center.

Thanks

Arif Sidek
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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I have no idea about stack or reach, I was using a nose-cone size S shiv with 1,5cm of risers. What size do I need in the new shiv to get that same pad height?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Robert Driskell] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Robert! Hope everything is going well at the shop. I haven't seen you out here in a while!

We will start releasing videos on "how to" after the Kona crunch is over.


Robert Driskell wrote:
How easy is it to refill the bladder during the ride? Any chance of a video on this process? Thanks guys for listening to the masses.



Chris R.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [twomarks] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Twomarks,

The stack chart does not take the height of the bar in to account. Even though the frame is slightly taller in stack to accommodate more real world athletes, the ability to run any bar and stem combination should help the flexible outliers like yourself. Make sure you are also taking in to consideration the stack of your current handlebar.


Thanks Twomarks




twomarks wrote:
Cakewalk,


Looking at the stack and reach information on the website - reach wise, the large is the frame for me, but my stack is 53.5 (3 centimeters lower than what is listed on the website). How much lower can the large go on it's stack?

Thanks,

twomarks




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [arif@beyondt2] [ In reply to ]
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Arif, My size Medium is 42 center to center. I'll try to find out the widths on the other sizes this afternoon.

Thanks!


arif@beyondt2 wrote:
Hi Chris,

Just wondering how wide the basebars are center to center.

Thanks



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [sanderv] [ In reply to ]
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We are making both the Carbon and Alloy bars available in the aftermarket. Both bars will have very minimal decals so they will not mess up the mojo of anyone's non specialized bikes.

We are trying to take care of our production needs before we start selling in the aftermarket. We want to make sure that a bike with as many parts as the Shiv is fully supported in our warehouses and dealers before we start selling the aerobars in the aftermarket. We are also looking and some VERY competitive prices. Until I can really confirm the prices though, I'll reserve our price plan.

We're working on it sanderv! I'm very excited to get that back out to the masses!


sanderv wrote:
I've read the new carbon handlebar will be made available seprately too. Any release date for it? And price? Also, will it ship with the same kit as pictured above?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Chris. I'm particularly interested in the XS size

Arif Sidek
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [cat] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Cat, I just texted the demo guys at Kona to see if they could weigh the XS and S bikes.

My size medium weighs under 17.5lbs with pedals. When I get the other weights of the demo bikes I will let you know.

thanks Cat!


cat wrote:
Thank you for being so helpful on this forum. The bike looks very "beefy" I am a female-srong rider, but only 110 pounds so frame weight is important to me. Can you compare the weight of say a speed concept and P4 built up similarly? thank you.



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Chris G] [ In reply to ]
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LOL! Its just as well the Shiv Tri doesnt come with rear dropouts or urban fixie hipsters will be riding one with the integrated bong attachment!
On a more serious front I think huge kudos to Specialized for this bike. It seems like a lot of people here want something with integrated brakes and stem level with top tube, but Specialized have delivered a bike that has the aerodynamics of their former nosecone superbike, with wider fit options, easier service and you can get it for a bit over 3 grand for a complete bike! Think about it.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a general Specialized question.....but something I would love to see on the Shiv....have you guys ever looked into a custom paint program ala "Project One" for consumers? I know Trek does their painting in house, so I wasn't sure if this was the only factor but curious whether this option has ever been explored and what the reasons for or against it would be?
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CakeWalk wrote:
We are making both the Carbon and Alloy bars available in the aftermarket. Both bars will have very minimal decals so they will not mess up the mojo of anyone's non specialized bikes.
Sounds good :-)
Looking at this picture
http://www.tririg.com/...ized_Shiv&num=29
will there be the option of a lower spacer that fits between the extension clamp and the base bar? So the extension sits as low as possible, at the expense of not getting much/any tilt adjust?
I think I'd need it to go that low, even with the low-profile stem......
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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CakeWalk wrote:
9) Yes, the bikes are equipped with 2 sleeves inside the frame. For bikes with cables the FD and the RD will go down on tube (The mega sewer tube) and the rear brake will go down its own hole. On Di2 and Ultegra Di2 bikes the control box esily fits down the mega sewer tube, while the rear brake is routed down its own separate hole. Cable routing on these bikes is incredible easy.

Hi, CakeWalk:
Thanks for all the great info. I'm trying to figure out if the 2012 Shiv TT module (UCI version) is indeed compatible with internal Di2 as stock. It looks like this can work (it was on some pro bikes), but I wonder if the version shipping to consumers requires any modifications. Does it use a similar "sewer" to the 2012 non-UCI version (or something else that would enable it to work)?

Do you know which Shimano Di2 cable kit is required? Looks like the battery is attached via the water bottle mount.

Thank you so much. If it's internal Di2 compatible, I'll order right now!

I'm capable of drilling/dremel-ing/soldering, but I wouldn't want to damage the frame in any way.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Chris,

Any weight limits on the bike? I am a big guy (235#) built more like a linebacker than the typical triathlete. I'd be looking at the Large or XL frame. Thanks!

dusty



"slow is smooth, smooth is fast."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [trifil] [ In reply to ]
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Cranks on the Med and Large bikes are 172.5mm the XL bike gets 175mm.

Cheers


trifil wrote:
Also, what are the crank arm lengths for the Medium and Large SHIV sizes?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Quote Mile,

A few years ago we actually "tested" program for custom paint. While it was a viable option, something that the end customer occasionally asked for, we had to think about who we really work for. The dealers that sell our product were in need product on time and lower in cost. The custom paint program took some time away from the general production of our frames and required more time in the design department.


While there were a few custom paint jobs that were tested in the market, we decided to scrap the program and reinvest the money back in to on time production of bikes that were all ready selling out of.


Alot of our dealers live and breath on being able to sell our bikes, if the supply chain shuts down... we let them down.


For now, the program is out, but in the future there are always possibilities! Thanks Quote!


mile2424 wrote:
Here's a general Specialized question.....but something I would love to see on the Shiv....have you guys ever looked into a custom paint program ala "Project One" for consumers? I know Trek does their painting in house, so I wasn't sure if this was the only factor but curious whether this option has ever been explored and what the reasons for or against it would be?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [arif@beyondt2] [ In reply to ]
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Great to hear Arif, I'll try to hunt down the width on the XS in the morning!


arif@beyondt2 wrote:
Thanks Chris. I'm particularly interested in the XS size



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [carlosferreiro] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Carlos, There is certainly room to make the part you are talking about and it has certainly been kicked around.

Before we start work on the small aftermarket parts like that, we are trying to get all of the main support items in to the aftermarket (i.e extra bladders, and our onboard, integrated food and tool storage!!!).


carlosferreiro wrote:
CakeWalk wrote:
We are making both the Carbon and Alloy bars available in the aftermarket. Both bars will have very minimal decals so they will not mess up the mojo of anyone's non specialized bikes.
Sounds good :-)
Looking at this picture
http://www.tririg.com/...ized_Shiv&num=29
will there be the option of a lower spacer that fits between the extension clamp and the base bar? So the extension sits as low as possible, at the expense of not getting much/any tilt adjust?
I think I'd need it to go that low, even with the low-profile stem......



Chris R.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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I hear that tetonrider! I wouldn't want to damage it either!

It is possible but you need to cut and reconnect the shift cables.


I sent the guys in the R&D Bike Shop an email, I'll find the correct parts kit needed. What shop would you work with? There are a few shops out there that have already been doing this modification.


Cheers!


tetonrider wrote:
CakeWalk wrote:

9) Yes, the bikes are equipped with 2 sleeves inside the frame. For bikes with cables the FD and the RD will go down on tube (The mega sewer tube) and the rear brake will go down its own hole. On Di2 and Ultegra Di2 bikes the control box esily fits down the mega sewer tube, while the rear brake is routed down its own separate hole. Cable routing on these bikes is incredible easy.


Hi, CakeWalk:
Thanks for all the great info. I'm trying to figure out if the 2012 Shiv TT module (UCI version) is indeed compatible with internal Di2 as stock. It looks like this can work (it was on some pro bikes), but I wonder if the version shipping to consumers requires any modifications. Does it use a similar "sewer" to the 2012 non-UCI version (or something else that would enable it to work)?

Do you know which Shimano Di2 cable kit is required? Looks like the battery is attached via the water bottle mount.

Thank you so much. If it's internal Di2 compatible, I'll order right now!

I'm capable of drilling/dremel-ing/soldering, but I wouldn't want to damage the frame in any way.




Chris R.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wareagledusty] [ In reply to ]
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hey Dusty! One of the benefits of building a bike with this much carbon fiber... its stronger than a Mack truck.

The frame goes through some pretty unreal testing. For instance our pedal fatigue test for this bike (and many of our other carbon road frames.) applies over 1300nm of force to each "crank arm" in the frame for 100,000 cycles. That is around 30% more force than required by the CPSC.

Get out there and crush those Clydesdales!




wareagledusty wrote:
Hey Chris,


Any weight limits on the bike? I am a big guy (235#) built more like a linebacker than the typical triathlete. I'd be looking at the Large or XL frame. Thanks!

dusty




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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CakeWalk wrote:
I hear that tetonrider! I wouldn't want to damage it either!

It is possible but you need to cut and reconnect the shift cables.


I sent the guys in the R&D Bike Shop an email, I'll find the correct parts kit needed. What shop would you work with? There are a few shops out there that have already been doing this modification.


Cheers!


tetonrider wrote:
CakeWalk wrote:

9) Yes, the bikes are equipped with 2 sleeves inside the frame. For bikes with cables the FD and the RD will go down on tube (The mega sewer tube) and the rear brake will go down its own hole. On Di2 and Ultegra Di2 bikes the control box esily fits down the mega sewer tube, while the rear brake is routed down its own separate hole. Cable routing on these bikes is incredible easy.


Hi, CakeWalk:
Thanks for all the great info. I'm trying to figure out if the 2012 Shiv TT module (UCI version) is indeed compatible with internal Di2 as stock. It looks like this can work (it was on some pro bikes), but I wonder if the version shipping to consumers requires any modifications. Does it use a similar "sewer" to the 2012 non-UCI version (or something else that would enable it to work)?

Do you know which Shimano Di2 cable kit is required? Looks like the battery is attached via the water bottle mount.

Thank you so much. If it's internal Di2 compatible, I'll order right now!

I'm capable of drilling/dremel-ing/soldering, but I wouldn't want to damage the frame in any way.

Thanks so much for the prompt reply. I really appreciate it; the answer makes the difference for me in terms of a purchase.

I'll actually be doing the build myself. I've built up many frames and done an external di2 install (Tarmac SL3). I have to travel quite a bit for races, so I need to understand exactly how everything works as inevitably something will go wrong the night before a race, when I'm alone in a hotel room. I find the best way to understand the bike is to do the build from scratch. If I've installed the brakes and run the wiring, then -- for example -- it's very easy for me to fine tune the brakes after changing wheels. Nothing wrong with a shop doing the work, but for my situation and doing races unsupported, another approach works best for me.

Do you use the downtube battery mount or an under-the-seat mount? I'm open to either as if I flat during a TT my race is over. I can see how things are different for those doing long course triathlons.

Many thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris - thanks for your assistance here.

I've been trying to understand the differences between the various Shiv framesets - the S-Works module, the Pro frameset and the frameset on the Comp Rival and Expert Models.

As far as I can tell:
1/ the Pro frameset is the one on the Comp and Rival bikes
2/ the S-Works and the Pro framesets are identical except for the different grade of carbon

Is this correct? And what are the real-world differences between the S-Works and the Pro framesets, in terms of stiffness, aero, handling, etc?

I am trying to decide which one to get, and the website doesnt really provide this information.


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Those who are slower than me suck.
Those who are faster than me dope
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know! But what about the spacer kit? Will it come with the carbon handlebar? So that a Shiv Comp/Expert owner could take advantage of the Control Tower functionality too?


CakeWalk wrote:
We are making both the Carbon and Alloy bars available in the aftermarket. Both bars will have very minimal decals so they will not mess up the mojo of anyone's non specialized bikes.

sanderv wrote:
I've read the new carbon handlebar will be made available seprately too. Any release date for it? And price? Also, will it ship with the same kit as pictured above?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Chris! One more question, what colors will the bike come in?



"slow is smooth, smooth is fast."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wareagledusty] [ In reply to ]
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all the models for next year are up on the web... http://www.specialized.com/...amp;menuItemId=17553
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Cakewalk,

Any chance you know when the Shiv Pro OSBB Frameset will be available to purchase? Thanks.

-Ben

4 x Kona Qualifier
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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i'm looking at the Shiv Pro Frameset but have a couple questions
1. can i use my Quarq SRAM S975 crank?
2. can i get the New Specialized S-Works Shiv aero stem and bars (and if so, what's the cost)?

thanks
GO BUFFS!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wareagledusty] [ In reply to ]
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No worries, ask anything you need.

All the colorways are on the web page. http://www.specialized.com/...amp;menuItemId=17553




wareagledusty wrote:
Thanks Chris! One more question, what colors will the bike come in?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bwinterroth] [ In reply to ]
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The first SMALL quantity of S-Works bikes ships to dealers later this month. Pro, Expert, and Comp will be hitting stores over then next few months.


bwinterroth wrote:
Cakewalk,

Any chance you know when the Shiv Pro OSBB Frameset will be available to purchase? Thanks.

-Ben



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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thanks. I saw that each of the models on the Shiv page was basically representing a different option but I didn't know if there were any others that weren't on the sample pictures. I of course like the matte black s-works bike the best....

I'd better start saving now.



"slow is smooth, smooth is fast."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CUBuffFan] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Buff,

Yes your Quarq crank sould work as long as it is an OSBB.

And Yes, the new aerobar will indeed be available in the aftermarket. We are currently trying to meet the needs of the production bikes but after we are caught up with the main production runs it will be available for sale. We are still finalizing the prices, but we how to be very competitive with both the aftermarket Alloy bar seen on the expert bike and on the S-Works carbon bar.

cheers


CUBuffFan wrote:
i'm looking at the Shiv Pro Frameset but have a couple questions
1. can i use my Quarq SRAM S975 crank?
2. can i get the New Specialized S-Works Shiv aero stem and bars (and if so, what's the cost)?

thanks
GO BUFFS!



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Im the same way Dusty!!! I love the all black Shiv, Shiv TT, and Venge.


wareagledusty wrote:
I of course like the matte black s-works bike the best....



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,
Please forgive my ignorance in this question, how was Crowie able to use a DuraAce crank on his Shiv?
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Specialized Cranks, Sram OSBB, and Shimano cranks (w/ the supplied adaptor) will fit all of the frames.




CUBuffFan wrote:
Chris,
Please forgive my ignorance in this question, how was Crowie able to use a DuraAce crank on his Shiv?



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CUBuffFan wrote:
Chris,
Please forgive my ignorance in this question, how was Crowie able to use a DuraAce crank on his Shiv?

With one of these:



Suffer Well.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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What is the Crowie bike size???

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will those work with SRAM or is there a like product?

thanks in advanced...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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I was just asked--

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Will a wheelbuilder cover on a powertap wheel fit in the new shiv?

my reply:

We haven't tested any wheel covers. Our priority was fitting, at a minimum, the new Zipp Firecrest designs.

Zipp's Website says that the outer diameter of their Fircrest 808 CC is 25.3mm wide and this is a photo of the amount of clearance with that wheel.



I don't have a wheelbuilder cover to test.

Hope this helps,



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CakeWalk wrote:
I was just asked--

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Will a wheelbuilder cover on a powertap wheel fit in the new shiv?


my reply:

We haven't tested any wheel covers. Our priority was fitting, at a minimum, the new Zipp Firecrest designs.

Zipp's Website says that the outer diameter of their Fircrest 808 CC is 25.3mm wide and this is a photo of the amount of clearance with that wheel.



I don't have a wheelbuilder cover to test.

Hope this helps,

That's not the area where a covered wheel typically rubs in a Transition (unless you do some custom "craft" work). It's back where the stays "kink" in near the hub.



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And that kink is non-existent on the new Shiv. With the spacers/removed the brakes (and frame) have a ton of clearance for all of your aero wheel happiness.


Mark

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MITaerobike wrote:
And that kink is non-existent on the new Shiv. With the spacers/removed the brakes (and frame) have a ton of clearance for all of your aero wheel happiness.

Well...not necessarily mine, but maybe someone else's aero happiness ;-)

BTW, is the "kink" there on the Shiv TT? Just curious if it's just the new Shiv (shall we call it the Shiv Tri?) that doesn't have the kink...



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I saw a new s-works shiv today. one of the ones that was shipped to bike shops. let me say that for everyone that thinks the head tube/ front triangle looks really weird / strange, it looks WAY better in person. i wasn't so sure to begin with, but in person, its sexy without question. it was even the full red colored one - black would probably look even better.
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MITaerobike wrote:
And that kink is non-existent on the new Shiv. With the spacers/removed the brakes (and frame) have a ton of clearance for all of your aero wheel happiness.


Mark

So does that mean that a wheelcover will work for sure? If so, this makes my Shiv/SC decision really, really easy. Still waiting for LBS to get one in so I can try my own wheelcover on it but I'm dying to know if anybody has confirmed this in person.

jamie
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We haven't tested everything, but I believe you'd be OK. I'll check into this with our R&D shop here (not sure if I have wheel covers in the office or not).

Thanks,

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Mark,

I've just ordered a Shiv TT - are there any geo differences between the 2012 Shiv TT and the previous nosecone Shiv?

I've ordered a small on the advice of the dealer in Sydney. I'm 5'11". The dealer had a nosecone Shiv in the store in a medium and it looked quite big, hence the advice to go to a small. Also, I'll be doing some UCI-reg TTs so will need to get that saddle back behind the BB.

Also, do you have you run the Venge against the S5 yet? I'm currently torn between the two.

Thank very much.

Alex
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MITaerobike wrote:
We haven't tested everything, but I believe you'd be OK. I'll check into this with our R&D shop here (not sure if I have wheel covers in the office or not).

Thanks,

Mark

Please do and let me know. Thanks!

Jamie
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I have doubts with the size of the Shiv:

My actual P4 S54: reach 41.9 stack 49.8

Shiv medium: R 40.5 S 54M
Shiv long: R 42.5 S: 56.5

what size is best for my???

thanks
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts exactly, I am a cervelo 54 p3/4 fit as well, I am ok on the nosecone shiv but I think that without a seriously negative stem ie ergostem I won't fit the new shiv, and to my mind that isn't a true fitting bike plus I don't want to cart half a pound of stem around.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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Same here. I like to ride long and low. I think the reach on the Medium is too short, but the stack on the large is HUGE.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [applenutt] [ In reply to ]
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The stack of the medium is huge, over 1cm more than the large Transition and that's a tall frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [curly] [ In reply to ]
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True.

I was very excited to see the pricing for this new bike, but the sizing is a bummer.
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Yes not good for us but from how I have seen a lot of bikes setup on here it will be ideal for a lot of them. I think that the range of features and pricepoints will take some beating.
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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.

Hi Clayton,

I got to test ride the new Shiv while in Kona, and I have to say that it was a sweet ride! While upgrading my Transition Pro is not in the cards just yet (I think a divorce might ensue), I really liked the saddle that was on the bike and figured I could at the very least afford that upgrade. I think that the demo bikes all had the Romin Evo Pro saddle - can you confirm this? Also, what are the differences between the various Romin Evo models, other than the composition of the rails? Do the rails make a difference in the feel of the saddle, or mostly just weight? I'm not really concerned about a few grams.

Thanks,
David.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [davidhoy] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Sorry for my bad english, I'm french triathlete and it's my first reply...

Do you know if the Pro frameset can be used with shimano Di2 or if the Di2 is just available with S-works frameset ?

Thank you for your help.
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Nobody for answer me ? ;-(
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On the Pro frame set only, the OSBB, will that accept any group- in other words, if I purchased a complete DA group off the rack, is that frame set set up to complete the build, or does there need to be some modification to the frame set?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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The Pro has the same frame design as the S-works, so I don't see how the Pro wouldn't be compatible. However, if you already have D12, why not just by the S-Works frame module and use your current bike parts to complete the build?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Alex, Congrats on the new rig. The the Shiv TT shares the same Geo as the previous Nosecone bike. So if the medium looked a little long, the Small should do the trick.

I just had a few Aussies in my USA SBCU class last year, which shop are you working with?

As for the data on the S5 and Venge. We havn't been back to the wind tunnel with the S5 yet. Mark and the Engineering team have been working their butts off trying to get everything on the new Shiv ready.

We'll be back in the swing of testing soon, and be sure to share the aero data with you.

Cheers.




alexZA wrote:
Hi Mark,

I've just ordered a Shiv TT - are there any geo differences between the 2012 Shiv TT and the previous nosecone Shiv?

I've ordered a small on the advice of the dealer in Sydney. I'm 5'11". The dealer had a nosecone Shiv in the store in a medium and it looked quite big, hence the advice to go to a small. Also, I'll be doing some UCI-reg TTs so will need to get that saddle back behind the BB.

Also, do you have you run the Venge against the S5 yet? I'm currently torn between the two.

Thank very much.

Alex



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [davidhoy] [ In reply to ]
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Great David, glad you liked the bike.

The saddle speced on the bikes is indeed the Romin Evo.

Here is the breakdown for our saddles. The carbon rails are slightly stiffer and can be more durable over time. If you're planning on running the carbon rails you will need a set of "carbon rail hardware" for you existing seatpost. (http://www.specialized.com/...oduct.jsp?spid=64487)






davidhoy wrote:

I got to test ride the new Shiv while in Kona, and I have to say that it was a sweet ride! While upgrading my Transition Pro is not in the cards just yet (I think a divorce might ensue), I really liked the saddle that was on the bike and figured I could at the very least afford that upgrade. I think that the demo bikes all had the Romin Evo Pro saddle - can you confirm this? Also, what are the differences between the various Romin Evo models, other than the composition of the rails? Do the rails make a difference in the feel of the saddle, or mostly just weight? I'm not really concerned about a few grams.

Thanks,
David.




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Nemo, All of the frames are compatible with internal Di2 cables.

Chris


Nemotri wrote:

Do you know if the Pro frameset can be used with shimano Di2 or if the Di2 is just available with S-works frameset ?

Thank you for your help.



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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Hey OCD,

The frame comes with a set of adapter that allow you to use any Shimano style cranks set.


Full, Dura-Ace... No problem.


OCD wrote:
On the Pro frame set only, the OSBB, will that accept any group- in other words, if I purchased a complete DA group off the rack, is that frame set set up to complete the build, or does there need to be some modification to the frame set?




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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here you go Nemo,

CakeWalk wrote:
The bladder is 23oz for the M, L, and XL bikes, 20oz for the XS and S bikes.

In the original design meetings for the bike we all expected to see a 72oz bladder with 2 chambers so you could run nutrition and water inside the bike... As the development continued we realized there just isn't that much room inside the bike. The bladder in the production bike is limited by the joint connecting the front triangle and the BB section (OPBBCS). If you run the bladder over the joint there is friction that can over time rupture the system.


As we tested the hydration system in house we realized that by using the bladder as our main water supply and refilling it with a bottle placed on the bar or behind the seat we were able drink more frequently and stay in the aerobar more of the time.


As for the "sloshing" inside of the frame... there isn't any (I thought there would be too! but there just isn't) There isn't any sloshing for 2 reasons. First if you have ridden with a waterbottle on the frame, you have experienced more than you will from the bladder. Due to the narrow profile of the bladder it limits the amount of movement the liquid in the bottle can have (think about sloshing a beer stein and a champaign flute, liquid in the flute doesn't travel as far up the sides of the glass as the stein.) Second, as the water is removed from the bladder all of the volume isn't replaced with air. The weight of the liquid inside holds the bladder open, without the water inside, it collapses on itsself reducing the movement of the fluid inside.


Thanks werobert!


wsrobert wrote:
Does anyone know exact fluid amount?


Nemotri wrote:
Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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Nemotri wrote:
Thank you for your answer.
Can you confirm that the capacity of the bladder is 20 oz ?

This was already covered in this thread:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=3566153#3566153

23 oz or 20 oz depending on size.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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xavigon wrote:
I have doubts with the size of the Shiv:

My actual P4 S54: reach 41.9 stack 49.8

Shiv medium: R 40.5 S 54
Shiv long: R 42.5 S: 56.5

what size is best for my???

thanks

I'm lost :-) M or L??
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Are there any wheel restrictions? All Zipp, all SRAM, etc?

SM



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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forgive me, this has probably already been asked...

but,
is there any difference in the carbon lay up (like stiffness in the bottom bracket area, etc) between the pro and comp models. I'm weighing the differences between just the pro frame or the rival comp version. i understand the sworks is different (better) carbon - but i want to know the differences in the lesser models.
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odin99 wrote:
forgive me, this has probably already been asked...

but,
is there any difference in the carbon lay up (like stiffness in the bottom bracket area, etc) between the pro and comp models. I'm weighing the differences between just the pro frame or the rival comp version. i understand the sworks is different (better) carbon - but i want to know the differences in the lesser models.

I'm no authority on this matter, but based on Specialized's published info (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) the Pro, Expert and Comp frames all use the same carbon lay-up (FACT 10r).

The S-Works version uses 11r.

10r was essentially the top-of-the-line lay-up from one or two seasons ago. (My 2011 Tarmac SL3 is 11r, so at a minimum it was on top bikes released last summer.)

I'd wager that in a year or two the S-Works model will get the then-latest carbon lay-up and the 11r will trickle down.

If you are tuned into their road bikes, 10r was used on the Tarmac SL2. The SL3 is stiffer and lighter than the SL2 (if you search I am sure there are charts to quantify this). The SL4 uses the same lay-up as the SL3 yet is still stiffer & lighter, so I would not fret about 10r vs 11r in the real world.
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tetonrider wrote:

I'm no authority on this matter, but based on Specialized's published info (http://www.specialized.com/...1101&scname=Road) the Pro, Expert and Comp frames all use the same carbon lay-up (FACT 10r).

The S-Works version uses 11r.

10r was essentially the top-of-the-line lay-up from one or two seasons ago. (My 2011 Tarmac SL3 is 11r, so at a minimum it was on top bikes released last summer.)

I'd wager that in a year or two the S-Works model will get the then-latest carbon lay-up and the 11r will trickle down.

If you are tuned into their road bikes, 10r was used on the Tarmac SL2. The SL3 is stiffer and lighter than the SL2 (if you search I am sure there are charts to quantify this). The SL4 uses the same lay-up as the SL3 yet is still stiffer & lighter, so I would not fret about 10r vs 11r in the real world.

thank you! can Chris R. confirm this?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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They answered my question and said that all Shimano options will work. The PRO frame comes with adapters for the crankset, but is DI2 compatible and all Shimano group compatible ( I think that is what he was saying )



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry if this has been asked already. Tried to search this long forum but couldn't find it anywhere so here is the question.

This bladder you guys inserted inside the frame, Can we take it out for cleaning or is it permanently fixed there? Any additional details and videos/photos would be helpful
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3Dealz wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked already. Tried to search this long forum but couldn't find it anywhere so here is the question.

This bladder you guys inserted inside the frame, Can we take it out for cleaning or is it permanently fixed there? Any additional details and videos/photos would be helpful

Very easy to remove and clean. There's a cap that can cover the opening if you choose not to use the hydration system.

-David
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,

two quick questions:
1) in see the frames will come with adapters for Shamino cranks, will there also be an adapter for SRAM cranks?
2) any info (availability, etc) on the computer/food storage "bin" thingy (i know, very techincal!) Rasmus Henning used between his bars in Kona?

thanks in advanced!
Steve
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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.


Hi Clayton,

I have read that the bladder is refillable while riding. What's the size of the top cap of the hydratation system? I think that the process to refill the bladder is really complicated...ride with one arm in the aerobars and try to put all the liquid inside the small hole without messing all the TT

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1°/ Do you know if the arobars of the S-work frameset will be availlable alone ?
For use it by exemple with the Pro frameset...

2°/ Do you have pics of the hole of the bladder on the bike for see how refill it ?
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Hi clayton, any ideas if the geometry would fit someone with long legs and short torso "long and short" according to Dan Empfield. what type of body dimension group is the geometry for? thanks.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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http://velonews.competitor.com/...4441/attachment/4-21

yes bars are available aftermarket it's around post 130-140 by cakewalk above


We should really try to make better use of the industry reps on this board, asking them the same questions over and over again just is going to frustrate the purpose of having them here.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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sorta part of their job.... its not all roses all the time...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hey guys, first time poster...

1) How easy is it for fluid to drain out of the downtube?

2) Does excessive condensation build up in the tube?

3) Was there any strength testing done for the composite if it gets excessively wet? Or is the seal waterproof?

Thanks,

Aaron
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enginaaron wrote:
3) Was there any strength testing done for the composite if it gets excessively wet? Or is the seal waterproof?

They have been building racing shells and oars (rowing) out of carbon and carbon composites for two decades or so now - getting wet has no effect on carbon/composite strength.


~Kevin
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [kluecke] [ In reply to ]
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If the laminate is sealed properly, it's not an issue. Water does indeed lower the strength of carbon composite laminate structures.


kluecke wrote:
enginaaron wrote:
3) Was there any strength testing done for the composite if it gets excessively wet? Or is the seal waterproof?


They have been building racing shells and oars (rowing) out of carbon and carbon composites for two decades or so now - getting wet has no effect on carbon/composite strength.
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CakeWalk wrote:
As for the data on the S5 and Venge. We havn't been back to the wind tunnel with the S5 yet. Mark and the Engineering team have been working their butts off trying to get everything on the new Shiv ready.

How about just Venge vs. S3?

We can take it from there... ;-)



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kluecke wrote:
enginaaron wrote:
3) Was there any strength testing done for the composite if it gets excessively wet? Or is the seal waterproof?


They have been building racing shells and oars (rowing) out of carbon and carbon composites for two decades or so now - getting wet has no effect on carbon/composite strength.

Also high performance yacht hulls, masts, etc. Just take a look at any picture of a Volvo Ocean 60 sailing at full tilt, and you'll know that carbon composite handle water just fine.


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Can I transfer my "traditional" style (ie non-BB30) FSA SRM over? If it's a yes the cards gonna get a beating, otherwise might a deal-killer!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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While you guys are all lusting on the new 2012 SHIV and are flooding the market with '11...
I just fetched a incredible deal on a Sworks 2011!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [drfranky] [ In reply to ]
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I'm surprised by the size used by Crowie (S) and Rasmus Henning (M) in Kona....is posible???
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [xavigon] [ In reply to ]
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crowie is 5', 11" and rasmus is 6', 2"...why not?

4 x Kona Qualifier
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bwinterroth] [ In reply to ]
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Very small sizes are not?? More logical to see M and L.......I with 1m78cm (5'10'') would have to use S size??
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Do the Roval 45's fit in the new shiv?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry for the hideous, busy here at the office.


There is indeed a difference in the frames. SW Model uses a carbon layup that is around 150g lighter than the Pro/Expert/Comp frame. Stiffness testing in the lab showed very little difference in the overall stiffness between frames. Sine there is so much carbon being used, both frames are extremely laterally rigid, absolutely no need to fret losing power from frame or BB flex.


Another very notable change in spec from the Pro to the Exper/Comp bikes is the carbon aerobar shared by the SW/Pro bike and the Alloy bar shared by the Expert/Comp bikes. Both bars offer an enormous range of adjustment allowing the fitter to raise the armpad and extension 50mm in 5mm increments. Additionally, the armpads can be placed so they are anywhere fore/aft on the extension and can be moved 9cm in width adjustment.


The Carbon bar comes with an integrated aero stem allowing for adjustment of a 60mm or 90mm stem with the adjustment of a small wedge while the allow bar uses a standard stem.


Hope that answers the question, sorry for the delay odin99!


odin99 wrote:
forgive me, this has probably already been asked...


but,
is there any difference in the carbon lay up (like stiffness in the bottom bracket area, etc) between the pro and comp models. I'm weighing the differences between just the pro frame or the rival comp version. i understand the sworks is different (better) carbon - but i want to know the differences in the lesser models.




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bwinterroth] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe they had to use a smaller size than optimal given the very high stack of the Shiv. Using a smallish frame would get the stack lower but would require a longer stem than a larger frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks OCD, You are correct. All frames work with Shimano cranks thanks to these adapters.




OCD wrote:
They answered my question and said that all Shimano options will work. The PRO frame comes with adapters for the crankset, but is DI2 compatible and all Shimano group compatible ( I think that is what he was saying )




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Hey CU Buff,

The standard BB will work with SRAM Cranks for BB30 cranks and the Adaptors will work for GXP.

The bar mounted storage, along with a rear mounted tool/hydration are still being shaken out. Rasmus ran the rapid prototype at Kona and we are using his feedback to build the production model we hope to release later this year.




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Chris,

two quick questions:
1) in see the frames will come with adapters for Shamino cranks, will there also be an adapter for SRAM cranks?
2) any info (availability, etc) on the computer/food storage "bin" thingy (i know, very techincal!) Rasmus Henning used between his bars in Kona?

thanks in advanced!
Steve



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,

What is the difference between the stem on the Expert and Comp? The description reads like it is more adjustable but I don't understand 6061 faceplate with cone head bolt and plastic clip, 12-degree, w/4-degree shim.

Is there anyway to upgrade the stem on the Comp to the "Aero Stem" that is on the Pro?

How much of a difference in aerodynamics does the stem make between the three versions?

Thanks,

Jason
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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9 pages of folk believing a bike will make them faster, job well done , training is so 1980's
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CakeWalk wrote:


Another very notable change in spec from the Pro to the Exper/Comp bikes is the carbon aerobar shared by the SW/Pro bike and the Alloy bar shared by the Expert/Comp bikes. Both bars offer an enormous range of adjustment allowing the fitter to raise the armpad and extension 50mm in 5mm increments. Additionally, the armpads can be placed so they are anywhere fore/aft on the extension and can be moved 9cm in width adjustment.


The Carbon bar comes with an integrated aero stem allowing for adjustment of a 60mm or 90mm stem with the adjustment of a small wedge while the allow bar uses a standard stem.



Chris,

by any chance, do you know if the carbon bar can accommodate Zipp Vuka Shift R2C extensions with the built-in shifter bosses? I'd be interested in running these with my SRAM R2C shifters if possible. Thanks,

Nick
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [SN95NIK] [ In reply to ]
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The new Shiv bars will accept any 22.2mm OD extension, so Vuka up -- you're good to go.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Any plans or thoughts about making different extension shapes for the Shiv TT bars? I know people have thrown them in the oven to detach them from the mounts but I'm not that daring...
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Do you know if it's possible to put the aerobars under the base bar like the pro missile evo or the speed concept ?












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I'm just now getting into Triathlons, aka no Triathlon Experience. Is the Shiv Comp Rival "too fast" for a Beginner?

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Hello,

Hey, the TT frameset, is it only available in black? Black is the only one shown online- but I see lots of pics of guys with the red/white/black rig. I am seriously shopping, and I am not see the options on the website.

Also, where can I take a spin on one. The guys at the expo did not have any to ride unless I totally missed them, and my LBS seem to be too cheap to stock them right now- or they can't get them??

Please advise.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [BaylorBarbee] [ In reply to ]
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I dont see any bike as "too fast" for a beginner. In fact I would say the Shiv Rival would be an excellent choice, as you have a very aerodynamic frame and fork that can easily be upgraded over time with more "go fast" parts as you progress in the sport.
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What brake levers are the photo???


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Nemotri] [ In reply to ]
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We don't have tooled clamps that would accommodate this lower extension position today but have looked into the concept. The pad stack would have to change drastically to accommodate this style of bar clamp.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [BaylorBarbee] [ In reply to ]
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Ditto on what Kevin said -- this is the kind of bike that would give you freespeed on day 1 and could continue to be upgraded over time.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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Hey OCD,

The Shiv TT only comes as a module so few dealers have them stocked on their floor. We have a few demo's kicking around in a few of the trucks.

It's only available in stealthy satin black -- the black, white, red bikes are the 2011 Shiv (nosecone) bikes.

PM me with your location and I can look into a store that might have a built bike around for test ride.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Hy,

i have ordert a Shiv Comp 2012.

Is it possible to fit a FSA Neo Pro crank on this frame, waht kind of adapters can i use?

FSA offers an own BB30 to MegaExo adapter, is this the right one?

regards
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [deirflu] [ In reply to ]
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im still confused about the adapter that is included as well. Its a shimano adapter that comes with it, but it seems like it was indicated that it would work for Sram gxp as well. is this true Or would someone have to get a different adapter for sram gxp?
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I'm not sure if someone has already asked this. I live in Souther California (Orange County) and I'm wondering when will the pro frameset start shipping to bike shops? So far it seems that the realistic date is early December.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [OCD] [ In reply to ]
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Hi. I have ordered the Shiv Pro OSBB Frameset. How can I get the S-Works aero stem that comes on the complete bike?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [windRider666] [ In reply to ]
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Just one question, what is the maximum saddle height I could get with the 350mm seat-post (what is the maximum [safe] seat post exit I could get)?

I`m tall and I need 850mm between BB center and saddle rail. Is it possible to do?

If not, another question could be, do you have a 400mm seat post option?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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Depending upon frame size, you shouldn't have any issue. The max saddle height on the M, L, XL frames is about 90cm+ so you're OK.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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The aerobars will be available aftermarket sometime in the spring. The carbon aerobar will ship with the integrated stem you're talking about.

Until then, the only way to build up this way is to buy the SW module or the SW or Pro bike.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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You would have to get an adapter for SRAM GXP that converts from BB30 to GXP. Specialized doesn't make one ourselves right now but I've seen this done before.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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I have a set of the adapters from Wheels Manufacturing - they're minimal, light, and work perfectly. They are reusable, and removeable (unlike some BB30-to-BSA adapters). I have no relationship with Wheels Mfg, I just think these are great parts.

For Shimano Hollowtech cranks:
http://www.bikeparts.com/...lts.asp?ID=BPC134778

SRAM/Truativ GXP cranks:
http://www.bikeparts.com/...lts.asp?ID=BPC364502

You just keep the bike's BB30 bearings in, and add these adapters, and put your cranks straight on. Easy as pie.



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JudgeNick] [ In reply to ]
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I use them as well, great value for money too.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the response. But will I be able to purchase just the stem this spring (without the carbon aerobars) for use on a different set of bars?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark,

Just wondering what cable housing Specialized is recommending for the new Shiv. I was thinking about Nokon or Yokozuna. Will either of these be compatible inside the frame?

Thanks

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Clayton,
congratulations on a magnificent bike. Finally a triathlon specific bike.
But I'm just wondering if the 'fuel-selage' affects the structural integrity of the bike?
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JudgeNick wrote:
I have a set of the adapters from Wheels Manufacturing - they're minimal, light, and work perfectly. They are reusable, and removeable (unlike some BB30-to-BSA adapters). I have no relationship with Wheels Mfg, I just think these are great parts.

For Shimano Hollowtech cranks:
http://www.bikeparts.com/...lts.asp?ID=BPC134778

SRAM/Truativ GXP cranks:
http://www.bikeparts.com/...lts.asp?ID=BPC364502

You just keep the bike's BB30 bearings in, and add these adapters, and put your cranks straight on. Easy as pie.

Hi,
does the GXP adapter also works with FSA MegaExo ? The Shimao has an smaler innerdiameter.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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This stem is proprietary and only works with the Specialized carbon aerobar. The clamp is a 4:1 ellipse/airfoil so it only works with a bar of this cross section. Thus it'll be sold with the carbon aerobar in the aftermarket.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [markrhino] [ In reply to ]
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The frame was designed with the Fuelselage in mind, so there are no structural concerns from the integration of the hydration system. The TT/HT junction went through all fatigue and ultimate strength testing with the port in the TT, and the carbon layup was designed with this geometry in mind. In fact, the Shiv is one of the stiffest triathlon or TT bikes we've ever tested torsionally.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bwinterroth] [ In reply to ]
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Just as with the Shiv TT, there's room for Nokon or Yokozuna housing as well as traditional cable and housings. I use the Gore lined system personally, but the bike's compatible with whatever system you'd like to use.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark-
Can you share what the overall width of the downtube is in comparison to the Shiv TT? i.e. did you make it any wider than you would if you didn't include the fuelselage?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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I know this is the "Official Specialized Shiv Thread", but I feel it is more focused on the 2012 triathlon version.

I've got a question that pertains to the extensions of my 2012 Shiv TT (and presumably to prior versions of the Shiv), so I created a new thread as not to infringe upon this one.

If anyone has knowledge of Shiv extensions, I welcome your feedback here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=3638983

Thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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Hy,

is it possible to fit the 2012 shiv tri with a center pull brake from the transition or from the shiv tt?

regards
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [deirflu] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

is there someone who know when the gel holder will be available (http://www.tririg.com/...ized_Shiv&num=15)?

Thx,
Fred
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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I have a second question.

If I put an extra liquid bottle under my seat, where is the best method/place to store a flat kit?

Thx!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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The DT width on the new Shiv was about aero first and then when checking for the fuelselage, we found we didn't need to add any width. The design started with aero performance and then we of course checked out capacity for the fuelselage, designed layup for stiffness/weight, etc.

So the DT is a similar width but with the deeper cross section, the aspect ratio is higher than that of the Shiv TT.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Good deal. Looking at the pictures the down tube looks huge, but it is hard to judge the width from the pictures I have seen.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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What is the stack (pad height) of the new aerobar set up?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [GregRF] [ In reply to ]
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From the handlebar center, it`s adjustable between 45mm and 95mm.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [deirflu] [ In reply to ]
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Whats the deal with the Shiv Pro frameset? Just lower quality carbon? run your own bars?

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Can you tell me how much the complete Large shiv with the Di2 weighs?
thx

Kona wanna b
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [slowrider] [ In reply to ]
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Any reps still around?

What are the aero bar spacing?
Is it configurable?
Could XLab Torpedo (http://www.xlab-usa.com/torpedo-mount.html) be fit between the bars?

Thanks in advance for the answer,
Fred
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Any update on when the new shiv starts to be available? I noticed that sigma sports in uk has this on their page, but shows out of stock.

Other question: i would like to fit the 3t ventus on it. How much space there is behind the stem?

Thanks!

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I got mine yesterday. 5 hour ride tomorrow.

Happiness.

(Disclaimer - bad photo, bad light, not in the big chainring, my floor needs a vacume, seat too high, blah, blah blah. Short answer - I have one, you dont).

And yes, the first long ride is with those wheels.
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Where do you live? What size is that?

Very nice setup. Did you weigh it by chance yet?>

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WOW... NICE..
Do you know how much it weighs?
What size ?
THX

Kona wanna b
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Aerobar stack is about 35mm from bar center to top of pad holder. About 45mm with the pad.

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MITaerobike wrote:
Aerobar stack is about 35mm from bar center to top of pad holder. About 45mm with the pad.

Mark

I would like to know the aero bar spacing (not the stack). I want to know if I could use a XLab torpedo bottle betwen them.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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1. The Fuelcell (nutrition and computer aerobar container) is still in development. What Rasmus raced at Kona was a one off proto for him.

2. There's no one place for a flat kit on this bike. I just raced IMAZ with a flat kit in my jersey pocket and kept the bike clean.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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The Extension spacing is 110mm C-C and the stock ski-tips that come on the bike jog 10mm inward from each side (or can be swapped to go wider 10mm on each side). With rotation, you can get a pretty dialed fit.

There's room for a standard bottle cage or the X-Lab Torpedo. Here's a pic of my front end setup.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wpg_wild_cat] [ In reply to ]
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The Pro frameset is a different layup and since it's a 1-1/8" steerer, you can run most aftermarket stems and bars. Our aerobars will be available aftermarket this spring for those that would like to buy this frameset and the bars separately or upgrade a Comp or Expert to the new carbon bar.

Only the S-Works bike and module will be available for the first few months so you'd have to wait for this frameset anyways.

And to answer someone else's question -- the S-Works bikes and modules are shipping globally now.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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"And to answer someone else's question -- the S-Works bikes and modules are shipping globally now."

Yup, just saw one in my LBS today. It looks okay in pictures (I hated it when the pics first leaked), but to see it in person is an eye-opener. It's a sweet looking bike! I didn't ask to use a scale, but with 808's and DI2, I'd put it under 18 lbs.

From what I was reading here and on Specialized.com, I though I'd have to go with a small (I'm 5'11"), but after seeing it, I'm definitely gonna go with a medium.


I'm already planning on selling both my road and tri bike to get on one of these.




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Hi All,

First time poster in what seems to be a pretty educated community! Have discovered some interesting nuggets in the last day or two.

Brandon, was just wondering if you took one for a ride or plan to? Some ride impressions would be excellent as I haven't located any on the interwebs so far.

Cheers,

Leghorn

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Leghorn11] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, it was still having its plumbing installed, so I wasn't able to ride it. The LBS owner is trying to get a couple of the Expert or Comp models in for the showroom, but he's saying that whatever comes in has already been bought, so I think it'll be in the second to third quarter of next year that I'll get to ride one from his shop.

I would look up Mark Cote's posts (he rode it at IMAZ) or the guy who posted the red S Works a couple posts above ours in this thread.

Best of luck to you!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Otter] [ In reply to ]
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How did the 5 hour ride go? Interested in things like if you achieved your fit, did it feel notably quick, and also the weight possibly?

I'm looking at a pro not an S-Works, so your frame / componentry will be lighter but it's a guide.

Leghorn

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Brandon_W] [ In reply to ]
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For training ride, is the Specialized Virtue Aero Bottle a good fit on the seat tube for this new Shiv? I think it was design for the Transition...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not certain that it won't fit, but the only bottle cage mount is on the seat tube, so it may not fit flush.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Is there a target date for the Pro release? Anything other than "next few months"?

Any insight would be GREATLY appreciated.

Side Note - Awesome article by Rapp in LAVA. Great insight!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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I don't work for Specialized but I called up the two LBS stores that I deal with (both are Specialized concept stores) and according to them, the frames haven't hit the water yet from the manufacturing country (Taiwan I think) but they are expected to ship soon. The pre-ordered frames are expected to arrive here sometime in January.


Perhaps the Specialized reps on this forum can correct me.
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i'm wondering how people carry nutrition (not liquid) and spares, etc on their shivs (either 2012 or nosecone). thanks.

kawika
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I work at a LBS where Specialized is sold in Australia. February is our latest update, I can't wait cause I'm super keen for one! S-Works are arriving sooner, but Pro and onwards are February for us.

Am planning to run it with H3 front and H3D rear (the deep set), both in clinchers. Continental SuperSport 20mm on the front and 23mm rear, any thoughts on this set up? Any shiv owners running H3/H3D's? Would appreciate any input.

Leghorn

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So does that mean you don't have the S-works yet?
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Haven't seen or heard of any coming into the shop, but at a recent half IM one was spotted by a customer....

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in my pocket


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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The Virtue aerobottle was originally designed for the Transition and works well on the 2011 Shiv and 2012 Shiv TT with DT bottle bosses. It will work on the 2012 Shiv (Tri) but you need to drill out new holes for the bottle cage bolts on the cage to get it to sit correctly in the frame. The DT/ST angle works pretty well though.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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SW bikes and modules will be the only available until early 2012 when the Pro, Expert, and Comp will be flowing.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Leghorn11] [ In reply to ]
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I have ridden H3D's before but not on a Shiv. They are ripping fast wheels though are more susceptible to buffeting in crosswind than a traditional spoked wheel. These would be crazy fast on a Shiv though... If you can hold 'em down, there are very few (if any) wheels that I've seen more aero.


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Thanks for that Mark, appreciate your time.

It's going to be a long a few months waiting for the Pro's to arrive.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Leghorn11] [ In reply to ]
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are the specialized bars going to be available when the pro frame is? (i.e, will they ship at the same time). or will there be some delay before the aftermarket parts are on the market? this was probably already covered, but seemed pertinent with questions about availability.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark, what is the length of the crank arms on the XS Shiv Pro (I've not been able to find them on Specialized site anywhere)? I had a Retul fit done today and the measurements on the XS fit me nicely however the fitter recommended I use 165 mm cranks. Cheers!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tomp83] [ In reply to ]
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They come stock with 170mm on the XS. Specialized doesn't make a 165mm today but the frame is BB30 compatible or you can use our Shimano press-in adapters (or Wheels Manufacturing's press-in adapters) to run a Shimano Hollowtech2 crankset at the shorter length.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [7718] [ In reply to ]
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The carbon and alloy aerobars will likely be a couple of months behind the Pro frame delivery in most markets.

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The stack on these bikes is a real bummer for anyone suitable for P series geometry. Which I guess is not all that many these days, as apparently even the P5 won't have P series geometry. What the heck am I supposed to ride?!?!


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MITaerobike wrote:
The Virtue aerobottle was originally designed for the Transition and works well on the 2011 Shiv and 2012 Shiv TT with DT bottle bosses. It will work on the 2012 Shiv (Tri) but you need to drill out new holes for the bottle cage bolts on the cage to get it to sit correctly in the frame. The DT/ST angle works pretty well though.

Mark

Mark what are DT bottle bosses?
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downtube?
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Duh thanks :)
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ive had mine a week
just got my cheap training wheels on but have 909 set for racing
im in oz and very lucky as i think there are only 6 here atm

very happy its super responsive rides great and very fast, you really notice the less effect by cross/head the wind

http://s1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/ironpo/

link to photos

cheers
ip
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ironpo wrote:
ive had mine a week
just got my cheap training wheels on but have 909 set for racing
im in oz and very lucky as i think there are only 6 here atm

very happy its super responsive rides great and very fast, you really notice the less effect by cross/head the wind

http://s1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/ironpo/

link to photos

cheers
ip


You are not using the standard bar, which one is it, Zipp VukaShift? Do you know if is it possible to buy them alone (wihtout the handlebar)? Do they fit well with Specialized handle bar?
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hi
yep i just went for zipp extenstions (chicane) as i hate ski tips
fitted fine on the standard shiv base bar and looks great
cheers
IP
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ironpo wrote:
hi
yep i just went for zipp extenstions (chicane) as i hate ski tips
fitted fine on the standard shiv base bar and looks great
cheers
IP

Ok, thx for the info. I'm also not really appreciate the original extension shape.

Can I ask you a last question? Your setup for the computer seems great (compared to my Cateye's Strada), what are you using?

Fred
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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for my SRM power control i just used 2 profile computer mounts. 1 ,long 1 short fit perfictly between my bars
just join them with the mounting bracket of the power control, very neat and tidy
if your bars are slightly narrower you can just trim the longer mount down
cheers
IP
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark, Thanks for the rapid reply - much appreciated. Would it be possible to post a few pictures of the Pro Shiv and a Shiv in XS size? Thanks.
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What are the chances that Triathlon rules change making the Shiv illegal to be more aligned with UCI regulations?

I bought a $250 Blue Seventy Skin Suit in 2007 which was perfectly legal at the time, then they changed the rules and I only got to use it in one race.

Does Specialized have any assurances from WTC, USAT, ITU etc. that they won't make the new Shiv illegal in the future?
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jesse@thr wrote:
What are the chances that Triathlon rules change making the Shiv illegal to be more aligned with UCI regulations?

I bought a $250 Blue Seventy Skin Suit in 2007 which was perfectly legal at the time, then they changed the rules and I only got to use it in one race.

Does Specialized have any assurances from WTC, USAT, ITU etc. that they won't make the new Shiv illegal in the future?


That`s a good question. I`m sure Specialized have an answer about this.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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I was wondering this myself, would suck to drop $8-10,000 on a bike and then they come out and say its no longer legal. Considering P5 instead when it comes out, but would really like to get the Shiv if I knew it wasn't going to be outlawed, not that it is, just considered it could.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [cdander3] [ In reply to ]
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I wouldn't trust what any of the alphabet agencies say they will do in the future. However I'd be carefull of buying a non UCI frame if I was going to do bike TTs even where they are allowed now, or ITU races. I doubt run of the mill races will change anytime soon.

Styrrell
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tomp83] [ In reply to ]
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I still owe you the Pro pics, but here's an XS (Red) next to my size S (Carbon) that I raced at IMAZ. I don't really think of the bikes as XS-XL like normal -- i.e. I could fit the XS-M easily, and due to the stack I like to run, the S works best. I could also fit the XS well but would opt for this if I went more aggressive.




Man, makes me want to go race again...ah offseason.


Mark

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We've worked really closely with the federations (USAT, ITU - draft illegal rules, WTC, etc.) and have gotten no indication that more stringent rules are on the way. We've followed all equipment guidelines enforced by these groups.

Mark

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It's good to know that you worked with these agencies. Question, have you heard of any other companies complaining that you aren't ITU legal? I guess they can always just do something different themselves too, but that takes time and captial, and instead they may just start complaining and trying to get some regulations in place. Just thinking off the cuff. I really like the bike and would love to get one, just want to be comfortable spending that much money before I do. Plus still need to get on one and make sure it works for me, hoping to do that in January!
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Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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HI Mark,

I'm very close to upgrading my well used Transition... Specialized are still favourite, but I'm not sure which frame to go for, Primarily I ride TT's - almost none of which are UCI restricted. Aesthetically, I much prefer the TT version, I also like the lower base bar position... but would the Tri model be faster..? The roads round here are generally poor quality and far from flat, so weight and comfort are also factors...Any reccomendations...? .I hate making decisions..!
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Hey Mark,

Looks like you zip tie an S-Works Carbon Rib Cage between your aero bars? and maybe another one on the back?
http://www.asiorders.com/...ID=80362&BIB=976

Trying to find that old 60 min / 40k tt split!
http://www.supergosam.blogspot.com
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Love the look of the black Shiv you raced in AZ. Will that graphic/paint scheme be available to consumers?

Toro Performance
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Is there a specific date these SHIV's will start shipping to LBS'? Would love to see one!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [realtalk411] [ In reply to ]
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2012 Shiv TT....featuring fully internal Di2. it's possible! (you can also buy a brand new shiv i have for sale, if anyone is looking for a module -- and i can even do this for you!)

thanks for looking. hope you enjoy the build! (contact point positioning is temporary--just roughing in the build.)

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can you post this in a few more threads pls?
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tetonrider wrote:
2012 Shiv TT....featuring fully internal Di2. it's possible! (you can also buy a brand new shiv i have for sale, if anyone is looking for a module -- and i can even do this for you!)

thanks for looking. hope you enjoy the build! (contact point positioning is temporary--just roughing in the build.)

It looks very nice :-)

My TT bike
BMC TM01
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Tillquist] [ In reply to ]
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thanks, tillquist. means a ton coming from you, having seen some of the amazing work you do.

this isn't even a finished build. :)

Tillquist wrote:
tetonrider wrote:
2012 Shiv TT....featuring fully internal Di2. it's possible! (you can also buy a brand new shiv i have for sale, if anyone is looking for a module -- and i can even do this for you!)

thanks for looking. hope you enjoy the build! (contact point positioning is temporary--just roughing in the build.)


It looks very nice :-)
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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have the pro builds/frames begun shipping yet?! if not, how soon?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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The pros are beginning to ship globally. Not sure if any have hit stateside yet. Will likely be within the next month.

Mark

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cool - hoping to see one in the LBS soon. Do you have pics you can post of a pro yet?
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Is the black bike an S-Works version? I can't tell :-)

Bob



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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I was hoping you could recommend a size based on my arm pad stack and reach measurements? Both measurements are taken in relation to my bottom bracket. I'd really like to know what size shiv tri would fit me and still allow for optimal handling.

Elbow pad stack 630 (center of BB to Center of elbow pad)
Elbow pad reach 475 (center of BB to Center of elbow pad)


I’ve done some searching online and it looks like the stems can be adjusted from 60-90mm and the stack of the base bar + the pads is about 80mm. I couldn’t find anything anywhere saying now much fore/aft adjustment in the pads is possible. I could be completely off base here but I’m guessing I could ride a small or medium frame with the medium only giving me about 1cm of downward stack adjustment if I decided to go lower in the future? I’m wondering if my reach would be too much for the small frame and cause handling issues?

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can you use any stem you want to for the specialized tt shiv?
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can you use any stem you want to for the specialized tt shiv?

in brief....no.

if you want to use the specialized base bars & cockpit, you need the specialized stem, as the specialized base bar does not have a round bar clamp.

if you are hell-bent on using a different stem, the steerer is 1" (not 1 1/8"). sure, you can use a shim, but most stems these days have stack heights (40+mm) that are greater than the exposed steerer on the shiv TT (~28mm). also, most stems place their bolts toward the back, and because the shiv TT is designed with aerodynamics in mind the gap behind steerer and top tube has been minimized. you might find the bolts interfering with rotation of the bars. additionally, you mess with the incredible aesthetics of the shiv TT. :) (this bike, in my opinion, is the best-/meanest-looking TT/Tri bike i've ever seen in the shiv TT incarnation.)

can you do it? maybe...if you're very motivated.

running most stems (other than something custom) would work against the very aerodynamic benefit that one hopes to achieve by racing this frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Whats the msrp on the shiv pro osbb frameset in Canada?

D

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wrong. the Shiv is 1 1/8 steertube
tetonrider wrote:
SeasonsChange wrote:
can you use any stem you want to for the specialized tt shiv?

in brief....no.

if you want to use the specialized base bars & cockpit, you need the specialized stem, as the specialized base bar does not have a round bar clamp.

if you are hell-bent on using a different stem, the steerer is 1" (not 1 1/8"). sure, you can use a shim, but most stems these days have stack heights (40+mm) that are greater than the exposed steerer on the shiv TT (~28mm). also, most stems place their bolts toward the back, and because the shiv TT is designed with aerodynamics in mind the gap behind steerer and top tube has been minimized. you might find the bolts interfering with rotation of the bars. additionally, you mess with the incredible aesthetics of the shiv TT. :) (this bike, in my opinion, is the best-/meanest-looking TT/Tri bike i've ever seen in the shiv TT incarnation.)

can you do it? maybe...if you're very motivated.

running most stems (other than something custom) would work against the very aerodynamic benefit that one hopes to achieve by racing this frame.
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darb85 wrote:
wrong. the Shiv is 1 1/8 steertube
tetonrider wrote:
SeasonsChange wrote:
can you use any stem you want to for the specialized tt shiv?


in brief....no.

if you want to use the specialized base bars & cockpit, you need the specialized stem, as the specialized base bar does not have a round bar clamp.

if you are hell-bent on using a different stem, the steerer is 1" (not 1 1/8"). sure, you can use a shim, but most stems these days have stack heights (40+mm) that are greater than the exposed steerer on the shiv TT (~28mm). also, most stems place their bolts toward the back, and because the shiv TT is designed with aerodynamics in mind the gap behind steerer and top tube has been minimized. you might find the bolts interfering with rotation of the bars. additionally, you mess with the incredible aesthetics of the shiv TT. :) (this bike, in my opinion, is the best-/meanest-looking TT/Tri bike i've ever seen in the shiv TT incarnation.)

can you do it? maybe...if you're very motivated.

running most stems (other than something custom) would work against the very aerodynamic benefit that one hopes to achieve by racing this frame.

i think you missed a key part of his question. the shiv TT is a 1" steerer. perhaps what you are thinking of -- the shiv (tri) -- is 1 1/8", but i assure you of the shiv TT spec.
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Does anyone know what other aerobars ext will work will new S -WORKS Tri Shiv? My bike is PERFECT size M and i have it built at a 16.56lbs i just hate the goofy bend to the ext's and like a more aggressive bend! I feel they should have added another cable port further down so you have the option to cut the bend off making stock bar more versatile. Thanks for the help
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [soybean0422] [ In reply to ]
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See move but I think most of them are a standard size and will work. I am going to use my Vuka's as Mark Cote indicated they'll work in a post above.

Bob



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Question for you on fitting the Shiv...

You've shown what goes behind the stem with the control tower fairing, but my question is what goes under the stem? Or is the stem always slammed to the headtube and any extra stack that is needed is made up for in the aerobar extensions being raise ala the old nosecone Shiv? If that's the case, what are the fairings used for?

Sorry to be obtuse on this one...

Bob



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wpg_wild_cat wrote:
Whats the msrp on the shiv pro osbb frameset in Canada?

D

anyone?

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Is there any chance that Specialized will create a bottle specifically design for the new Shiv (as the Virtue bottle was for the Transition)?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Do you think Ultegra Di2 will be compatible with the frame?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [realtalk411] [ In reply to ]
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Yes the frame is compatible with Ultegra Di2 road shifters and wiring so it should be compatible if Shimano releases an Ultegra Di2 TT shifter.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark,

I sent you a pm with some specific questions about a 2012 SHIV TT a while bike. I was awaiting your answer to make a purchase decision. I still haven't pulled the trigger and I'd like to hear from you. Would you check your messages. It was back on Jan. 8.

Thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bobby11] [ In reply to ]
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this might have already been asked, but anyone have experience with running cables on the new frames? How difficult of a job is it for a non-bike mechanic?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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BLUF: Not hard...think outside the box.


I built an S-Works Shiv. Running the cables was not much trouble at all. It will take some time as the housing length will depend on what spacers you use on the cockpit. I ran the rear derailleur cable starting in the middle and running out the back the working up the down tube. In the end I built the bike twice. Once with every spacer I could bolt on, with cables routed and derailleurs adjusted. Did the fit. Then tore it down to cut proper cable length. Bike built with SRAM Red and SRM. Only problem was the SRAM break levers did not fit correctly.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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So I do all of my research and go into my LBS (a top level Specialized dealer) in early December 2011 and order the new Shiv Comp Rival. He puts it in the computer and they say it will arrive mid Feb. I don't really want to wait, but I do, very excited about the new bike.

Several good offers on other bikes float by as the new year rolls around, but I trust Specialized will come through on their promise and I pass on the other offers.

I call the LBS every few weeks to make sure there are no delays, and they tell me no problem.

I call the LBS today and they say that Specialized has decided to ship the Shiv Expert which is $1000 more than the Comp Rival. The Comp Rival won't be in for another month (how the hell am I to believe this?). They try to upsell me, but I am a very unhappy customer right now.

What kind of game is Specialized playing here? Bait and Switch? hoping I'll drop another $1K. Not likely.

How do I get Specialized to live up to their promise and get the bike I ordered over 2 months ago delivered to my LBS ASAP?

C'mon Specialized, you're better than this.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [iGadget] [ In reply to ]
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The upsell part is really odd and crappy. As for missing the promised delivery date of an all new model ... gee, that never happens (pink).
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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In 2008 I waited nearly 5 months for a Transition Pro. The ETA kept getting pushed back.

Not much you can do but keep checking with your LBS and wait in line with the rest of us...
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shohen wrote:
In 2008 I waited nearly 5 months for a Transition Pro. The ETA kept getting pushed back.

Not much you can do but keep checking with your LBS and wait in line with the rest of us...

Hmm, maybe time to start considering another brand.
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bobby11 wrote:
As for missing the promised delivery date of an all new model ... gee, that never happens (pink).

Yeah, maybe my expectations where out of whack. Why bother giving you a date if you can't deliver on that date? Or is it really just a matter of building up the bike with higher end components?
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i thought the original ship date for the comp was end of feb / early march. as far as i know, no comps have been shipped yet (there would be pics on ST of one if they were arriving in shops). plenty of elites, pros now though. comps were last to be shipped.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rural] [ In reply to ]
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Here is mine if you missed my initial post. Still needs some tweaking,race wheels and other small things.





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Spokesman wrote:
Here is mine if you missed my initial post. Still needs some tweaking,race wheels and other small things.





That's a beauty - which Shiv model is it?
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odin99 wrote:
i thought the original ship date for the comp was end of feb / early march. as far as i know, no comps have been shipped yet (there would be pics on ST of one if they were arriving in shops). plenty of elites, pros now though. comps were last to be shipped.

Good to know - where did you hear those dates? Wondering why my LBS is out of the loop.
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from my LBS - and from various posts about the new shiv around here that's what i've gathered. as far as i know specialized hasn't changed any shipping dates (but i don't work for specialized) - the sworks and pros have arrived on or near on time.
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I spoke with a Specialized rep last Thursday. He said the first Comps should arrive this week (Specifically, Feb 6th or 7th).

However, today's the 8th and I'm still waiting for a call from the bike shop.
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jesse@thr wrote:
Spokesman wrote:
Here is mine if you missed my initial post. Still needs some tweaking,race wheels and other small things.






That's a beauty - which Shiv model is it?

I'm not sure, but I think it is the S-Works...just saying'...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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I got my Pro frameset last week, about 7-10 days late, which was alot sooner than I was really expecting. I'd bet your comp is pretty close.
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
I spoke with a Specialized rep last Thursday. He said the first Comps should arrive this week (Specifically, Feb 6th or 7th).

However, today's the 8th and I'm still waiting for a call from the bike shop.

Ok, this is somewhat good news. How do I get in touch with a Specialized rep? I was hoping they would respond to this post.
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jesse@thr wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
I spoke with a Specialized rep last Thursday. He said the first Comps should arrive this week (Specifically, Feb 6th or 7th).

However, today's the 8th and I'm still waiting for a call from the bike shop.


Ok, this is somewhat good news. How do I get in touch with a Specialized rep? I was hoping they would respond to this post.

I met the Specialized rep while attending a season "kickoff" event at my LBS. Reps from Trek, Specialed, and some other vendors were there. My LBS is the largest Specialized dealer in Texas so will get them first (according to him).

However, as I mentioned previously, he said the bike would be here on Monday or Tuesday. It's Wednesday so there must be a delay or he didn't know what he was talking about. Hopefully, there is just a slight (very slight) delay
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
However, as I mentioned previously, he said the bike would be here on Monday or Tuesday. It's Wednesday so there must be a delay or he didn't know what he was talking about. Hopefully, there is just a slight (very slight) delay

Cool - sounds close. Let me know when you get the call!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still waiting my Shiv Pro XL. I'm from Canada.

Do you think it's normal?
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jesse@thr wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
However, as I mentioned previously, he said the bike would be here on Monday or Tuesday. It's Wednesday so there must be a delay or he didn't know what he was talking about. Hopefully, there is just a slight (very slight) delay


Cool - sounds close. Let me know when you get the call!

Received a text from the rep and now he's saying the Comp will be here at the end of the month. Quit teasing me!!!!!!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Mark,

Just wondering when the side clamp rails for carbon saddles will be available? I've got an expert but want to chop some weight out and plan to do some of it through the saddle.

Cheers

- Leghorn -
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Leghorn11] [ In reply to ]
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Those carbon rail saddle clamps are available as an aftermarket part. Just the outer plates need to be changed for the carbon rails. The inners stay the same and are compatible with both.

We sold through our first stock very quickly. I don't have current info on when the next shipment will be in. Until then you can track down a SW or Pro Shiv customer who isn't using a carbon railed saddle and negotiate his or her hardware -- each of the SW and Pro models come with both seatposts, one with carbon railed hardware and one with alloy railed hardware so you can pick the seatpost offset you need and the saddle hardware you need.

Hope you're enjoying the new bike!

Mark

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Thanks for the super quick reply Mark. I have just ordered some today, they came in red which is perfect for my colour scheme. Adds a little bling. Once again, appreciate your efforts.

- Leghorn -
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Leghorn11] [ In reply to ]
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I actually made my decision to order a Shiv Expert on Monday. I was told that it would not be available until the end of February or early March, which I was fine with.
My LBS (Toga Bikes-NY) called me yesterday and told me that the bike has arrived at Specialized and will be available at the shop by the end of the week.

Now, I just need to sell my Kestrel to help pay for the Shiv!!

I'm very excited...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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posted, this in another shiv thread, but no replies.
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anyone have a review of the water bladder?

my experience has been less than stellar. hard to get in correctly (maybe i didn't even get it in right). once in, i couldn't even suck air through it because it was too compressed. also could only fit a few oz of water in because it was all compress. when i pulled it out and filled it with water and sucked on it, the flow was very low - much lower than a normal camel pack... meh. maybe its user error, so looking for other experiences.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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Hmm...
No disrespect to the boys at specialized and if any one could help me out here, I put the deposit down in mid december for a pro model.


"Where the F*ck is my Shiv Dammit?!"
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [7718] [ In reply to ]
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No problem getting the bladder in. Just make sure that the hose is threaded through the sleeve on the side of the bladder, this makes a big difference. On using it, jury is out. It doesnt work like a camelback under pressure, so you have to suck the liquid all the way up. I'll use mine a bit in training and possibly for longer races, but for Sprint and Olympic will stay with the bottle between the arms. Regardless its a speed machine! I'll post some pictures...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Timbo293] [ In reply to ]
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Timbo293 wrote:
Hmm...
No disrespect to the boys at specialized and if any one could help me out here, I put the deposit down in mid december for a pro model.


"Where the F*ck is my Shiv Dammit?!"

No disrespect? Weren't you told that these bikes were not available until February/March? Are your expectations with delivery aligned with delivery dates? I too, put a deposit down, but knew that the delivery was months away. Not sure where you live, but are you even able to ride it outside? I live in the Northeast, so I don't need a Shiv to ride on the trainer!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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I just got back from a training camp in AZ and rode with a bunch of guys on Trek SC's. Needless to say, the trip made me realize my Felt B12 isn't going to cut it anymore. I rode the previous model Shiv and actually loved it so I think I'm going with the Shiv but am a bit naive. Can someone help me understand what the stiffer carbon will do if I decide to purchase the Shiv module rather than the Shiv pro? Are there other differences that I'm missing with the frameset?

Thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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I'd be surprised if you could tell a difference.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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I received my S-works Shiv (M) about 2 weeks ago after putting it on order in mid-Nov. I have finally gotten it put it together and am taking for it's maiden voyage tonight, too bad it will be on the trainer. I wasn't promised any timeline and I was just glad to have it this fast. It took last years Shiv TT a lot longer to arrive for some of my Teammates.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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My Shiv Comp.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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When did your bike come in? I ordered mine in November. What size? I heard that some of the sizes (Medium and Large) will be shipped earlier than others. I'm crossing my fingers that I'll get a call from the LBS.

I'm jealous!!!


Philosoraptor wrote:
My Shiv Comp.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Came in a couple of weeks ago. I just picked it up this week. It's a size small. Regarding delivery dates, I am in Australia so they might be rushing orders through because we are nearing the end of tri season here and there are some big races coming up soon.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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I am in australia as well. I have two sizes coming - XL and L.

My LBS rang today and said the XL will be here on Tuesday and the L will be here the following Monday.

I will look at both and have a fitting done and take whichever fits me.

I have been waiting 4 months. They call me Mr Patient.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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Philosoraptor wrote:
Came in a couple of weeks ago. I just picked it up this week. It's a size small. Regarding delivery dates, I am in Australia so they might be rushing orders through because we are nearing the end of tri season here and there are some big races coming up soon.

Has anyone in the US taken delivery of a Shiv Comp yet?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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I placed a special order for a Comp Rival through my LBS in December.

When I placed my order, the LBS said the bike would arrive by February at the latest.

Today the LBS said my bike will not arrive until April.

According to the LBS, Specialized was having some manufacturing issues that have now been worked out.

I'm disappointed that I won't have my bike for some of my early-season races.

K_Man
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [K_Man] [ In reply to ]
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K_Man wrote:
I placed a special order for a Comp Rival through my LBS in December.

When I placed my order, the LBS said the bike would arrive by February at the latest.

Today the LBS said my bike will not arrive until April.

According to the LBS, Specialized was having some manufacturing issues that have now been worked out.

I'm disappointed that I won't have my bike for some of my early-season races.

K_Man

I sent a text to the Specialized rep regarding the delivery date of my Comp Rival. He now says mid March. My LBS says within the next few weeks which is consistent with the rep. Frankly, I don't think anyone knows for sure! I just want my bike before the HIM on April 1st. The clock is ticking....
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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It is worth the wait. You will love it when you get it. I can only imagine how fast it will be with some HED3s or something.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
K_Man wrote:
I placed a special order for a Comp Rival through my LBS in December.

When I placed my order, the LBS said the bike would arrive by February at the latest.

Today the LBS said my bike will not arrive until April.

According to the LBS, Specialized was having some manufacturing issues that have now been worked out.

I'm disappointed that I won't have my bike for some of my early-season races.

K_Man


I sent a text to the Specialized rep regarding the delivery date of my Comp Rival. He now says mid March. My LBS says within the next few weeks which is consistent with the rep. Frankly, I don't think anyone knows for sure! I just want my bike before the HIM on April 1st. The clock is ticking....

Yes, this is frustrating. I have had the same experience. Originally it was mid Feb, then early March, now my LBS says end of March. My first race is in early April - hope he is right.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.

Member of Team: Rogue Racing Project
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,
Just wanted to post a picture of my new Shiv out enjoying the sun for the first time...!


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Pickles] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, I got mine through VO2 as well; hope yours comes in time for that race. You'll love it!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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Any word on the Shiv Pros in Canada? Still waiting on my frameset!!

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quickguru wrote:
I'm still waiting my Shiv Pro XL. I'm from Canada.

Do you think it's normal?

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [wpg_wild_cat] [ In reply to ]
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Me too :(
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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With all this Shiv talk, it made me wonder...

Is the Shiv going to be the next "everyone has one" bike?

I bought mine. I love it. But, I don't want to see them at every race and training ride.

Thoughts?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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I think they might. I live in a small city of about 100,000 people and I know of at least 6 that are already on the roads here, plus several more that will be soon. I think they might take a big chunk out of the Cervelo market share.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark,

has the shiv been tested in the tunnel with different bottle options (aero vs. round vs. none) in the seat tube?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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The real question is when are going to see a McLaren Shiv?!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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If the McLaren Venge weights are any indication of what the McLaren shiv would indicate, I say pass.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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It's not all about the weights, it's about the carbon layup as well. The main reason the production McLaren Venge's are weighing more is due to the neon red paint. I believe on the tour bikes these were decals. There's 100 grams right there. It would be very interesting to know the inside numbers or tolerance allowed or expected on each frame? Is there a QC process to enforce this? I would think they would have to have a spec saying they allowed +/- 50grams for example off their nominal target weight. Granted I think they could have done more with the Venge, but if McLaren and Specialized could work on a full blown non UCI Shiv with aerodynamic fairings and push the envelope to a whole different level, that would be very interesting to see.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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All I know is that the S-Works Venges I've seen weights of are lighter than the McLaren Venges I've seen weights of. And both are still heavier than the SLC-SL that was released about 6 years ago. Arguing over a paintless bike is pointless; weigh it as it arrives.

And as for layup:
"McLaren’s goal was to get the same stiffness of the S-Works Venge and aerodynamic benefits, but at a lower weight."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Runless] [ In reply to ]
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I know the carbon layup was suppose to increase stiffness by 10% as well, and was "suppose" to reduce the weight by 10%. We know that the weight values have not been coming in lower and in most cases heavier than a normal S-WORKS. Not sure how true this is, but I had also read the following, "The normal S-Works Venge frame takes about 15-20 hours to make in labour. The McLaren frame takes upto 10 times that at 150-160 hours in carbon layup and optimization as well as frame finish and painting."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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I am thinking of running a disc or possibly wheel covers on the back of my Shiv. Does anyone know if there are any discs that will not work with the Shiv due to clearance issues? What about wheel covers? Also, will the flat Renn discs work well with the Shiv frame design? I am under the impression that flat discs work well when the frame acts as a fairing for the rear wheel as is the case with the Shiv.
Cheers.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Pickles] [ In reply to ]
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Pickles wrote:
I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.
I picked up my Shiv Comp Rival today in Delaware USA - Thanks Specialized!
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jesse@thr wrote:
Pickles wrote:
I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.

I picked up my Shiv Comp Rival today in Delaware USA - Thanks Specialized!

Pics or it didn't happen.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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Here is my Shiv Comp Rival, picked it up yesterday!


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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Philosoraptor wrote:
jesse@thr wrote:
Pickles wrote:
I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.

I picked up my Shiv Comp Rival today in Delaware USA - Thanks Specialized!


Pics or it didn't happen.


Here ya go... looks damn fast - just gotta keep working the engine...



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jesse@thr wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
jesse@thr wrote:
Pickles wrote:
I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.

I picked up my Shiv Comp Rival today in Delaware USA - Thanks Specialized!


Pics or it didn't happen.


Here ya go... looks damn fast - just gotta keep working the engine...




Nice! Is that stinger a C2 and if so how does it fit in the stays? A C2 Jet is on my shortlist.
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Philosoraptor wrote:
jesse@thr wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
jesse@thr wrote:
Pickles wrote:
I too ordered a Comp Rival at the beginning of January. I went to my shop today and they told me late March to early April. I have a big race on April 1st and I am really not that happy right now that I probably won't have a tri bike for that race.

I picked up my Shiv Comp Rival today in Delaware USA - Thanks Specialized!


Pics or it didn't happen.


Here ya go... looks damn fast - just gotta keep working the engine...





Nice! Is that stinger a C2 and if so how does it fit in the stays? A C2 Jet is on my shortlist.


Yes, 2012 Flame Rouge C2 platform - going all in on the wheels this year. No problem at all with the stays, but it seems the brakes will need to be adjusted when switching between training and racing tires.

With only a short 10 mile ride in before it got dark, here are my first impressions - I'd like to hear what others are thinking...

+ the bike fits me like a glove while riding - LBS had plenty of options to really tune the fit and I've probably done over 20k miles of riding on my last TT bike, so I knew what I wanted
+ brakes work very well
+ power transfer was solid
+ It was very windy when riding and the side wind was not a factor on the frame (I was using the stock wheels on the ride)
+ handles well on turns
- not a great climber or a super quick starter, but not terrible either - at 20.8 lbs (with standard speedplay zero pedals and empty hydration pack and standard wheelset - 1.4 pounds lighter with HED wheelset) - but it is a TT bike afterall and I wasn't really expecting much in these areas
- changing out race tires with these brakes seems like it will be a pain, but perhaps the barrel adjuster will give me enough play
+ paint job is really cool
+ shifting is fine

Unfortunately, my legs were shot from a 4 hour training trail RUN the day before, so I didn't get a real sense for how fast this bad boy will go, but I did give it a go a few times and was impressed with my comfort level at top speed even with the stock wheels - can't wait to take it out on a TT test ride.
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Well done, that could be the first time I've ever seen the arm rests higher than the seat...

Bob



"If you have a dream, pursue it as hard as you can. The world needs more of that." - Jordan Rapp
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks jesse@thr for your initial impression. I'd be interested to hear more feedback like this. Now that you guys are starting to get some time in the saddle, is the shiv living up to your expectations, how does it compare to some of your other bikes. How do you guys feel this bike will do on a course with a lot of rolling hills (e.g., Kansas 70.3, Branson 70.3 etc.?

Thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [chamblin] [ In reply to ]
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chamblin wrote:
Thanks jesse@thr for your initial impression. I'd be interested to hear more feedback like this. Now that you guys are starting to get some time in the saddle, is the shiv living up to your expectations, how does it compare to some of your other bikes. How do you guys feel this bike will do on a course with a lot of rolling hills (e.g., Kansas 70.3, Branson 70.3 etc.?

Thanks!

Getting it to climb takes some getting used to. It actually doesn't seem a great deal slower than my road bike up hills but you really seem to need to muscle it, especially in the front end, to get it to go. This is my first TT bike so it is hard for me to describe but I am guessing that the extra effort you need to put into the front of the bike is mostly due to the lack of stiffness in the bars relative to road bars. I would also describe the feeling from the back of the bike as less stable. I am guessing that this is due to the lack of stiffness in the stays relative to my road bike. The feel of climbing when seated is actually not all that different to my road bike really. I should note that my road bike is a Cannondale CAAD10 and is a really great climber so this comparison is pretty unfair.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]
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Macho Grande wrote:
Well done, that could be the first time I've ever seen the arm rests higher than the seat...

Bob

That's what I like about this forum - other people see stuff that you don't - Thanks Bob. The good news is I saw myself on the bike during the video fitting and my back looked pretty flat. I have plenty of spacers to play with on the aerobar if I want to go more agressive, but not sure I would gain much. Most of my serious races will be longer distance, so need to balance the comfort level, but yes, I don't want to sacrifice too much of the human aero positioning.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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For once I'm not trying to be a jackass, but....

If your back is that flat with the max spacers and your arms that high how does that handle remotely well?

And, how agressivve you get depends on your fit, really. It looks like you're about one bike size too small, unless you have a weird T-Rex physique.

Bob



"If you have a dream, pursue it as hard as you can. The world needs more of that." - Jordan Rapp
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]
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Macho Grande wrote:
For once I'm not trying to be a jackass, but....

If your back is that flat with the max spacers and your arms that high how does that handle remotely well?

And, how agressivve you get depends on your fit, really. It looks like you're about one bike size too small, unless you have a weird T-Rex physique.

Bob

Not sure what to tell you brother. I'm normal size 5'10", 31" inseam - no T-Rex staring back at me in the mirror. It is the medium frame. Had a professional fit, from a reputable and certified fitter / specialized dealer. All the spacers under the aerobar pads were removed, leaving two large headset spacers to play with. Won't be changing seat height or position - that is spot on. Handling seems fine - took it on a steep descent with some nice turns at maybe 35mph - not a problem (although I was probably in the drops so I could brake if needed). You do have me wondering if I would be just as comfortable if I removed a spacer.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [kello711] [ In reply to ]
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How strong is the magnet? Does your straw stay attached to the magnet throughout your ride? Over bumps? Just curious because the one at our shop seems to be fairly weak in strength.

Toro Performance
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jbird2131] [ In reply to ]
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It is not the strongest, I rode yesterday and the straw came loose a bunch of times. Seemed like every time I hit a decent bump, it came loose, kinda annoying. I'm trying to figure out a better way to secure the straw.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Any advice on how to fill the fuselage on the fly ? Fluids seem to back up and take a while to seep into the bottom of the bag. No way I could do this on the fly in its current state of function. I have size small shiv pro with size s,xs hydration system.

Magnet seems to work fine if not under tension. I used some velcro to hold the tubing streamlined under my aero bar pad.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bchambliss10] [ In reply to ]
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What about using a rare earth magnet from radioshack? That's what I plan on doing. The magnet inside pops out with a little wiggle work.

My frameset is here but I'm waiting for drivetrain to come in next week sometime... TORTURE

Toro Performance
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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I've never had an issue refilling, though I've only had my bike indoors on the trainer -- but as soon as I refilled I could drink with no problem. Maybe try reinserting the reservoir into the frame so there's no kinks? ( had an issue with the once)
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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You could try tugging on/jiggling the tube as you fill the bladder. It seems this takes the tension off the sides so they don't stick together so much.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Is it possible to run a battery in the seatpost? ie is the frameset optimized for internal wiring?

Toro Performance
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jbird2131] [ In reply to ]
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I think the battery is supposed to mount on the left chainstay. There are lugs there and I am assuming that is what they are for.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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That´s my new ride.

Specialized Shiv Comp XL with a couple of upgrades ;-)


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deirflu wrote:
That´s my new ride.

Specialized Shiv Comp XL with a couple of upgrades ;-)


pics not working.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [odin99] [ In reply to ]
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odin99 wrote:
deirflu wrote:
That´s my new ride.

Specialized Shiv Comp XL with a couple of upgrades ;-)



pics not working.

Now? I can see it?!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [deirflu] [ In reply to ]
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Newp. Not working.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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Mine was suppose to come this past weekend... Getting a bit nervous for my race this weekend. Don't know if I can get a fitting and some rides in before Saturday.... Fingers crossed!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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Philosoraptor wrote:
Newp. Not working.

Now?
I use the button "Insert Image" and upload it with URL. Is this the right way?


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deirflu wrote:
Philosoraptor wrote:
Newp. Not working.


Now?
I use the button "Insert Image" and upload it with URL. Is this the right way?



yep, working now. and WOW, those are indeed some upgrades! looks great (and HUGE)! congrats.


edit: how come you didn't go with the Pro frame?
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edit: how come you didn't go with the Pro frame?

Because of the satin black paint job. Looks great.

The black and red of the Pro is nice too, but there are so many black and red bikes out there.
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Very awesomeness. I really like those PRO bars. While I appreciate the adjustability of the Specialized bars, they just have far too much stack, especially when combined with the already very tall frame. Enjoy your ride.
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I have the Shiv Expert. Size medium. A few issues with the hydration system only. Everything else is perfect.

1. I'm having a hard time getting more than 20oz of fluid in the bladder once in the frame. It's also a pain to get the bladder into the frame after cleaning (empty, of course). I can put 36oz of fluid in the bladder out of the frame, but the capacity is dramatically reduced inside the frame. Any tips. I have blown into the straw to inflate the bladder once inserted into the frame.

2. Pulling/sucking fluid out of the bladder during a ride was less than easy. The hole seems too small and I can get a little at a time, but can't get a big drink. I checked for kinks in the hose. It is even a bit hard to suck fluid out with the bladder out of the frame.

3. The magnet. Dropped the hose on every big bump during the ride.
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Agree with number 3. Our specialized rep said that they're aware of the issue and working on a solution. While we wait, I've swapped magnets for a much stronger one and used the rubber strap to secure a camelback straw holder to my left extension. It works pretty well, but a more elegant solution would be nice

Toro Performance
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [ernielson1] [ In reply to ]
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I can only get about 20oz in the bladder as well, but I am having no issues with drinking the liquid so far. The only time I have difficulty is when the bladder is just about empty, it seems to create a vacuum seal. I have attached a piece of Velcro to the straw and the aero bars and I have not had the straw come loose. A stronger magnet would be ideal but I have yet to find one.
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7718 wrote:
anyone have a review of the water bladder?

my experience has been less than stellar. hard to get in correctly (maybe i didn't even get it in right). once in, i couldn't even suck air through it because it was too compressed. also could only fit a few oz of water in because it was all compress. when i pulled it out and filled it with water and sucked on it, the flow was very low - much lower than a normal camel pack... meh. maybe its user error, so looking for other experiences.


Hey 7718

Before you put the bladder in to the frame make sure it is flat and doesn't have any wrinkles. Next use the hose to guide the bladder in to the hole in the top tube. When guiding the bladder in to the frame, be careful not to force the bottom of the bladder if to the front of the head tube. Aim the hose down the down tube gently shaking it as you are feed it in to free up any friction from the frame and bladder. Once the bladder is seated in the frame blow in to the bladder and inflate it.


The biggest problem I have seen with installing the bladder in to the frame is people getting stuck in the head tube area. make sure you are making the bend down in to the the Downtube and you should be good to go.


I am working on a video to show proper installation.


cheers!







Chris R.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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jenkinsbr wrote:
I just got back from a training camp in AZ and rode with a bunch of guys on Trek SC's. Needless to say, the trip made me realize my Felt B12 isn't going to cut it anymore. I rode the previous model Shiv and actually loved it so I think I'm going with the Shiv but am a bit naive. Can someone help me understand what the stiffer carbon will do if I decide to purchase the Shiv module rather than the Shiv pro? Are there other differences that I'm missing with the frameset?

The weight savings are the biggest thing. The SW Frame is around 1/2lb lighter than the pro frame. When designing the layup (order in which the different sheets of carbon are applied) the SW frame is able to use higher modulus, stiffer fibers that tend to cost more cash. The pro frame has similar stiffness but needs to use more sheets of less stiff carbon to achieve the same ride characteristics. As a result the thin wall tubes of the SW frame tend to flex more and provide a slightly smoother ride than what you will find in the pro frame.

ha, not that anyone is saying a deep section aero tube rides smooth!!! if you really want a smooth ride go throw your leg over a Roubaix!!!



Chris R.
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mile2424 wrote:
I know the carbon layup was suppose to increase stiffness by 10% as well, and was "suppose" to reduce the weight by 10%. We know that the weight values have not been coming in lower and in most cases heavier than a normal S-WORKS. Not sure how true this is, but I had also read the following, "The normal S-Works Venge frame takes about 15-20 hours to make in labour. The McLaren frame takes upto 10 times that at 150-160 hours in carbon layup and optimization as well as frame finish and painting."


Hey Mile2424!

The McLaren really is a thing of beauty!

The McLaren Venge did make some big gains over the already brilliant S-Works bike. The weight drops over 100g! and the Stiffness to weight improved by 17% over the standard SW layup.

As for the production time, our construction method is called FACT-IS and it is an expensive and lengthy process. With that said, it is the absolute best way currently to put a bicycle together. By breaking up the frame in to smaller parts our engineers can focus on refining small parts of the frame for stiffness, ride quality, and weight. While this is a more expensive production method than the "Triple Monocoque" method that many companies use through out their line it really makes for a better riding bicycle.


FACT-IS break up of a new SW Shiv-






At specialized, we use the FACT-IS method in nearly all of our high performance Road, MTB, and Tri products. Actual hands on time for almost all of our FACT-IS construction bikes (from a base-level tarmac to SW Venge) is around 22-24 Hours. We are able to make lower cost frames like the base Tarmac by using more of lower cost materials, not by cutting labor time.


As for the McLaren Venge... it uses another world of precision. Actual hands on time laying up the bike is around 72 hours! almost 3 times as much as a standard frame.







Chris R.
Specialized Bicycle Components
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How strong is the magnet? Does your straw stay attached to the magnet throughout your ride? Over bumps? Just curious because the one at our shop seems to be fairly weak in strength.


Birf2131,

Big bumps can knock the straw from the magnet. I have had the best luck by positioning the magnet on top of the extension so that as you run through bumps in only has to keep the hose from rocking side to side... not up and down. Gravity is our friend.


Chris



Chris R.
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Hi CateWalk,

not sure to understand how you position your magnet. Could you provide a picture?

Thanks again for all this interesting information!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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quickguru wrote:
Hi CateWalk,

not sure to understand how you position your magnet. Could you provide a picture?

Sure thing.







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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Chris,
Do you have some numbers on how much we can expect the small and large size bladders to hold when properly inserted in the frame ?
I can get about 20oz in the small bladder on the initial fill with some effort. On the fly, I can get another 8-10oz in it at time before i worry about it overflowing.
Is this what other people are experiencing ?

Thanks,

RG
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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CakeWalk wrote:


The McLaren Venge did make some big gains over the already brilliant S-Works bike. The weight drops over 100g! and the Stiffness to weight improved by 17% over the standard SW layup.

Hey Chris,

The actual scales have been telling a very different story as to weight of S-Works versus Mclaren Venges.
Here is one McLaren at 1180 grams: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ntable;post=3816874;
here is another McLaren, in 56cm, with Di2 stuff weighing in at 1200 grams(Di2 stuff weighs 102 grams):
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/...t=98146&start=75

Interestingly enough 54cm S-Works is 1050 grams without Di2 stuff:
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/...=47679&mode=view

So the S-Works is the same weight when accounting for size differences and variation, if not a little lighter. I think one could make a case that the variation from claimed weights is to say the least disappointing. I know the paint is slightly different, but I'm not a fan of weighing bikes in a condition other than consumers receive them.
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I think it would also be very interesting to know a few things about the process of the McLaren and where the additional weight analysis may come from.

I believe the McLaren layup is using carbon pieces or templates that are being precisely cut by computerized CAD programs. Whereas the S-WORKS is just hand applied allowing for some manual overlapping of pieces. This was my understanding when the bike was first released, and this was how McLaren worked with Specialized to refine the layup and minimize the overlap and excess weight where needed. If this is the case, I would guess there is very little variance in the weight of each "set" of pieces or templates that go into a frame. Any chance you can share the tolerance of +/- "X" grams per "set" of pieces for each frame?

Next, I would think there is some additional weight with the resin applied once the carbon is diced out and applied into the frame. After this, I would think you would have the bare carbon frame, and then would need to apply the matte black paint onto the frame, add the S-Works paint or decal and the McLaren logo, clear once again, and then add the rocket red McLaren paint on top of this. Is there a reason the red color was chosen as a paint rather than a decal like the tour bikes? Was there a reason the color of the S-Works decal also changed from the dark stealthy grey to a brighter silver for production bikes?

Does Specialized QC inspect or allow "X" grams of variance for a McLaren leaving the line or getting shipped out? How about for a normal S-Works? It would be very interesting to know if there were records showing all bikes produced, with weights, and plotted on a chart to see the distribution. Of course like others mentioned, this may vary greatly or depend on when these weights are measured, but it would be vary intriguing to understand the process.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

I am the happy owner of the new Shiv S-works equipped with Di2. I find it very hard doing a good looking Di2 wiring setup around the aerobars. Does anyone have good suggestions and pictures to help me??
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Rasmus1310] [ In reply to ]
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Rasmus1310 wrote:
Hi,

I am the happy owner of the new Shiv S-works equipped with Di2. I find it very hard doing a good looking Di2 wiring setup around the aerobars. Does anyone have good suggestions and pictures to help me??




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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [mile2424] [ In reply to ]
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mile2424 wrote:
I think it would also be very interesting to know a few things about the process of the McLaren and where the additional weight analysis may come from.


I believe the McLaren layup is using carbon pieces or templates that are being precisely cut by computerized CAD programs. Whereas the S-WORKS is just hand applied allowing for some manual overlapping of pieces. This was my understanding when the bike was first released, and this was how McLaren worked with Specialized to refine the layup and minimize the overlap and excess weight where needed. If this is the case, I would guess there is very little variance in the weight of each "set" of pieces or templates that go into a frame. Any chance you can share the tolerance of +/- "X" grams per "set" of pieces for each frame?

Next, I would think there is some additional weight with the resin applied once the carbon is diced out and applied into the frame. After this, I would think you would have the bare carbon frame, and then would need to apply the matte black paint onto the frame, add the S-Works paint or decal and the McLaren logo, clear once again, and then add the rocket red McLaren paint on top of this. Is there a reason the red color was chosen as a paint rather than a decal like the tour bikes? Was there a reason the color of the S-Works decal also changed from the dark stealthy grey to a brighter silver for production bikes?

Does Specialized QC inspect or allow "X" grams of variance for a McLaren leaving the line or getting shipped out? How about for a normal S-Works? It would be very interesting to know if there were records showing all bikes produced, with weights, and plotted on a chart to see the distribution. Of course like others mentioned, this may vary greatly or depend on when these weights are measured, but it would be vary intriguing to understand the process.


I'd like to do our best to keep this thread on the Shiv, Mark and I have been trying very hard to make sure everyone with the Shiv or anyone with questions has an outlet for answers. If anyone has questions about the McLaren lets get that rolling in a new thread so the questions don't get rolled up in to the middle of this thread.


However, The best thing about the McLaren is how quickly the technology is trickling in to our other projects!

Working with the McLaren engineers we have started to learn new ways of analyzing the bikes, new ways of manufacturing, and new ways of improving quality control. Specialized does one of the best jobs in the industry testing our product. Between the in-house test lab and the nearly identical test lab based in our manufacturing facilities in Taiwan we're able to quickly get data and make revisions to our projects.


For most of our testing we tend to use "destructive" tests. This means that after testing a frame for strength or fatigue the product is typically scrapped. With bikes like the Tarmac, Epic, Ruby, ect... that's fine. We produce thousands of these frames and we want to make sure that we are testing frames straight from the assembly line. With the McLaren we are only producing 500 bikes world wide, that means we can't afford to break as many frames. The engineers at McLaren worked with us using "non destructive testing. They were able to show us a ply-by-ply analysis of exactly how each layer in the frame contributes to its over all performance. This level of analysis let us make fewer revisions and optimism the frame much more quickly than the typical process.


Along with the preproduction analysis, we also started using nondestructive means of testing quality after frames have been produced. After working with the McLaren team we have invested in sonar measuring equipment that allows us to check for wall thickness and carbon compaction before we destroy the frame. By measuring the wall thickness and compaction of the carbon we can ensure consistent layup and performance of every frame that leaves the factory. This technology is already being put in to use for bikes that will be available in 2013 as well as helping to refine frame lay-ups that already exist!


Really really cool stuff is happening. If there are anymore questions about the McLaren lets start a new thread, I love chatting about that bike. it really is the pinnacle of want ANY bicycle company is doing we are learning an enormous amount from them.


Chris







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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris,

I started a McLaren thread...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [chamblin] [ In reply to ]
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chamblin wrote:
Thanks jesse@thr for your initial impression. I'd be interested to hear more feedback like this. Now that you guys are starting to get some time in the saddle, is the shiv living up to your expectations, how does it compare to some of your other bikes. How do you guys feel this bike will do on a course with a lot of rolling hills (e.g., Kansas 70.3, Branson 70.3 etc.?

Thanks!

Last week, I did a 10 mile TT test course on a 3/4 mile loop with a small hill in 18mph winds using my Stinger 9s on both front an rear. Averaged over 24.5mph. Ok with that for March and conditions. I expect to easily be over 25mph when I get in race fitness, calm conditions and I'm more used to the bike. By comparision, I did a 6 mile TT last September on the same course in calm conditions when I was in top fitness (1 week before Poconos 70.3 race) on my previous TT bike and averaged 24.3. I did also upgrade the wheelset on the Shiv with Stinger 9s which were superior to the wheelset I used on my previous Tri bike, so this will play a big factor in speed.

Today I rode an easy 50 miler on hilly terrain (Garmin 905 tells me 4300 feet of climbing) with stock wheels on the Shiv. I do this ride to get comfortable in the aero position for long periods, but not to go fast. I have done this course many times before on my previous TT bike and several times within the past few months. I would say the ride quality was generally better including climbing. Riding in the wind seemed better, particularly a headwind. I'm still getting used to the bike, so was cautious around sharp turns at speed, particularly this time of year - lots of loose gravel. It took me roughly the same amount of time to cover the 50 miles with less effort. The standard Shiv wheelset are fine for training on a course like this, but they aren't made for racing. I would say the Shiv wheels are inferior to the training wheels I used on my other TT bike.

Other notes:
I shortened the tube from the hydration system so that it just reached the magnet on the aerobar as I've seen some others on the forum do. This worked well and I was able to get the bite valve in my mouth with no problem.
I plan to replace the bite valve - it is waaay too much work to suck water out. I'm pretty confident a camelback bite valve will work much better.
I did confirm that swapping between training and race wheels will be a hassle and require reconfiguring the brakes.
I did drop my aerobars significantly (removed both head tube spacers) for this the 50 mile ride. Still trying to find the 'right' position for me for long rides. It was very easy to remove the head tube spacers, but I need my LBS to cut the head tube down to size.
I did use the bottle cage on the long ride along with the hydration system, using only water in the hydration system. This was 'just enough' water for a 50 mile ride on a 60 degree day. Have not tried to refill while moving yet.

I'll post more as I learn.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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I replaced mine with a Camelbak valve and it works much better. Besides, They've been doing hydration a little longer than Specialized.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Any other tips? I've got the bladder down the downtube, but it won't go in the last 4 inches or so. I've tried everything that I can think of and have had a few mechanics try too... same result. Are there issues with the bigger bladder fitting into a medium frame? I'm racing Oceanside in a few weeks and need to figure this out... Thanks!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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I'm having the same problem with my large frame. I shined a flashlight down there and there was a bunch of cellophane. I've been fishing it out all day. As if someone were using it as a garbage can. Might have nothing to do with the problem but I thought it was weird.

Same as you though. Can't get it in the last few inches...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm, using the downtube as a place to store your trash while on a ride? I hadn't thought of that :P
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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renolaw wrote:
Any other tips? I've got the bladder down the downtube, but it won't go in the last 4 inches or so. I've tried everything that I can think of and have had a few mechanics try too... same result. Are there issues with the bigger bladder fitting into a medium frame? I'm racing Oceanside in a few weeks and need to figure this out... Thanks!

Sure Renolaw

First make sure the bladder is flat and doesn't have any folds in it.



When you are inserting the bladder in the frame make sure that you aim the hose down to the downtube. If you dont make the bend it will bind up and not fit.



aim the hose afar down the downtube as possible as show here.



If you are still having issue send me a PM and we'll take care of it.



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks! I'll give it another shot and PM you if I'm still having issues.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [bchambliss10] [ In reply to ]
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Bigger magnet "knog" is on its way. Will likely be in available as a service part early this summer.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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The Extension spacing is 110mm C-C and the stock ski-tips that come on the bike jog 10mm inward from each side (or can be swapped to go wider 10mm on each side). With rotation, you can get a pretty dialed fit.

There's room for a standard bottle cage or the X-Lab Torpedo. Here's a pic of my front end setup.

Mark


I like this picture and the one posted by Cakewalk on March 13th. Both show the aerobars coming inward, rather than outward.

When I got my bike from the LBS, he configured it outward and told me that is what the manual said to do - I would have thought that would be an optional configuration that I could have weighed in on,

In any case, my previous setup had straight aerobars, so I'm not sure what I want and at this point and switching the bars will be a hassle, so hoping to get a little more insight...

Is it just a matter of trading comfort for aero? Do you lose much comfort on the inward facing bars? Is the inward more aero? It would seem to be. Any thoughts would be helpful.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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My guess is that comfort would have something to do with the relationship between the aerobars and the width of the pads/armrests. I have my extensions in the facing inwards orientation at the moment with the elbow pads in the middle setting and am quite comfortable. I imagine people with wider shoulders who have their armrests wider may want to have the extensions in the facing outwards orientation.
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Philosoraptor wrote:
My guess is that comfort would have something to do with the relationship between the aerobars and the width of the pads/armrests. I have my extensions in the facing inwards orientation at the moment with the elbow pads in the middle setting and am quite comfortable. I imagine people with wider shoulders who have their armrests wider may want to have the extensions in the facing outwards orientation.

Thanks - good points. I had my pads on the middle too, but measured it against my previous setup and decided to widened it to get the same width and feel. I then twisted the bars inward without switching just to get an idea of how it would feel if they were closer, and I can tell it will feel much better having them closer together (inward). I called my LBS and he wants to charge me an hour to do the switch. I'll probably do the switch myself since my LBS is 30 minutes away.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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It's a pretty easy switch and you should only have to switch the shifters and cables/housing to do it (not cut new cables or housings). Yes we did intentionally design these bars to go either way.

Mark

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MITaerobike wrote:
It's a pretty easy switch and you should only have to switch the shifters and cables/housing to do it (not cut new cables or housings). Yes we did intentionally design these bars to go either way.

Mark

Thanks - yes a good design for sure.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JAA904] [ In reply to ]
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Figured out a fix for my issue. Turns out that the housing for the internal routing was too high to let the bladder slip down into the downtube for the last few inches. I cut the head off of a golf club and used the narrow end of the cut shaft to push down the housing that was way down the downtube at the same time that I put the bladder in. Kind of stupid... but at least it works now...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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CAnderson_SBC wrote:
Hey Everyone,
My name is Clayton Anderson and I'm the Community and Social Media Specialist here at Specialized. As many of you have seen, We have introduced a new bike today at Kona, S-Works Shiv. I would like to extend my help with any questions that you may have. I will answer as many as I can and will be more than happy to get the information from our engineers and designers if needed.

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. It looks like that routing might be my problem too. I'll give that a shot.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,

Are frame bladders/tubes currently available to purchase?

Thanks,

Aaron
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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MITaerobike wrote:
It's a pretty easy switch and you should only have to switch the shifters and cables/housing to do it (not cut new cables...

Did the switch today - easy as pie. I like this bike more and more everyday. I'm no mechanic, but this bike is designed well for the weekend mechanic to fine tune the fit and do routine work.

Thanks Mark.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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I posted in the "Let's see your ride", too. It has been a dream to ride from the first fitting. Very comfortable, climbs well, and seems real fast. I have not used the bladder yet and am not sure if I will even use it.

I'm loving this bike.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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I have a question on the seat post. I just picked up my shiv comp last night and started to set it up at home, but with the size Medium I couldn't set the seat post low enough. With a Cobb V-Flow Max I couldn't get the saddle height below 80cm. Is it normal to have to cut the seat post? Or should the seat post be sliding further into the frame? It seems the post bottoms on a seam of carbon where the rear triangle meats with the seat tube.

Anyone here have to cut their seat post?
~Greg
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [GregRF] [ In reply to ]
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GregRF wrote:
I have a question on the seat post. I just picked up my shiv comp last night and started to set it up at home, but with the size Medium I couldn't set the seat post low enough. With a Cobb V-Flow Max I couldn't get the saddle height below 80cm. Is it normal to have to cut the seat post? Or should the seat post be sliding further into the frame? It seems the post bottoms on a seam of carbon where the rear triangle meats with the seat tube.

Anyone here have to cut their seat post?
~Greg

I needed to have mine cut. I'm not sure how much was taken off, but I have my LBS do it. I believe 2" was taken off.
Good luck.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [IVcoops] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know. I've seen it written on the Specialized site: "THE SEAT TUBE HAS UP TO 200MM OF SEAT TUBE INSERTION, SO THERE’S NO NEED TO CUT THE POST". Perhaps that is for the XL size. Just wanted to check that it wasn't a frame issue. Time to get the hack saw out...
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [GregRF] [ In reply to ]
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Mine came with two seat posts (size medium). I used the longer version and it is now pushed down as far as it will go. If I need any further adjustment I can just swap the post to the extra shorter post included with the bike. Am I the only person who received two?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Buffaloes1] [ In reply to ]
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Buffaloes1 wrote:
Mine came with two seat posts (size medium). I used the longer version and it is now pushed down as far as it will go. If I need any further adjustment I can just swap the post to the extra shorter post included with the bike. Am I the only person who received two?


i'm pretty sure the two different posts have different offsets/setback. that's what makes the different from each other - not the length.
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Has anyone used the bladder and noticed that when they refill it during a ride they have to pour very slowly so that the bladder absorbs the liquid? Do you think it's doing that because it's bunched up in the downtube?
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jenkinsbr wrote:
Has anyone used the bladder and noticed that when they refill it during a ride they have to pour very slowly so that the bladder absorbs the liquid? Do you think it's doing that because it's bunched up in the downtube?

This seems to be the common experience. Others have suggested such things as tugging on the tube as you try and fill it.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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I actually don't have a problem with mine at all. Some times it is a little troublesome getting it back in the frame after cleaning, but if I make sure I get it in there right it fills just fine. I can usually fill it no problem with two good, fast squeezes on a water bottle.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Philosoraptor] [ In reply to ]
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This is because the bladder is twisted or bunched up in the frame. Take it out and reinsert it. If it's in there correctly, it should be very easy to fill.

We'll have a video on the Specialized website in a few days. Stay tuned.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [GregRF] [ In reply to ]
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There's a bunch of ST insertion but yea, some will still need to cut. This is OK and normal. The 350mm on the XS and S is a bit long, so a lot of these athletes have had to cut their posts.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the advice. I'll try this when I get the bike back tonight. I saw the pictures that Chris posted so I must have inserted it incorrectly.
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Its tricky on some frames until you get used to it. I'm sorry we didn't provide you video or better info sooner.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark - no worries. Just glad to hear it was my fault. It's a XS bike so I'm not sure if it's the bladder has less room to play with or not but I'll give it a try tonight. Should be pretty awesome after I figure it out!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [kello711] [ In reply to ]
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What size frame do you have ?
I'm wondering if this is only a problem on the size small and xs frames.

My problems
1.) On the fly filling - too slow to complete by the end of an aid station if you just want to fill and chuck the bottle.
2.) Magnets are not strong enough - hose becomes dislodged often on rough roads (currently using some industrial strength velcro to help secure).

Hopefully, R&D will come up with some improved bladder options in the future.

RG
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rmg wrote:
What size frame do you have ?
I'm wondering if this is only a problem on the size small and xs frames.

My problems
1.) On the fly filling - too slow to complete by the end of an aid station if you just want to fill and chuck the bottle.
2.) Magnets are not strong enough - hose becomes dislodged often on rough roads (currently using some industrial strength velcro to help secure).

Hopefully, R&D will come up with some improved bladder options in the future.

RG

I have the same problems

I'm planning to replace the magnets with rare earth magnets. I haven't figured out how to remove the magnet from where the fuelsalage connects to the bike frame. The magnet that wraps around the aero bars is relatively easy to replace.

The local stores don't seem to have the correct size rare earth magnets in stock so I will order them online. Each magnet will cost a few bucks at the most.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Is there a place for a bento box on the shiv. The integrated hydration system seems to limit the options.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of a really clean looking cockpit with Di2?

There seems to be quite a bit of excess wiring with mine and I would really like a point of reference for my LBS when I take the bike back in.

This is the best I've been able to find so far:

http://triathlon.competitor.com/...0855/attachment/28-7

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, we have a few new magnet solutions coming this summer but you can do the same mods with bigger rare earth magnets. A 4mm x 12mm diameter magnet on both the mouthpiece (already included with the angled up bite valve) and "knog" style silicone mount pass the 50 mph descent test very well.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Is anyone know if the Virtue Aero Bottle fit in the frame?

Is it the best choice for a seat tube bottle on this new Shiv?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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it doesn't fit
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Put mine in front of seat post. Have to come out of aero to access for a few seconds but seemed like a better option for me than trying to tape gels everywhere.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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you might be able to attach the bento box with velcro to the top tube. or, use the darkspeedworks case, and use some velcro on the bottom. that case seems the most structurally sound. ask darkspeedworks more about it, im not affiliated with the product, but it seems like a good option.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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Is there still a shortage of SHIV's? I'm trying to guesstimate on when mine might come in and whether I would be able to use it for the AG race in San Diego next month. It would be a PRO model, if that helps any.

Thanks!
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I have been riding my new Shiv for a couple of weeks now and it is great. However the bite valve for the liquid bladder leaves a lot to be desired. I thought it was just me but two of my friends have the same bike and had the same complaint. I swapped the entire tube and valve out with one from a camelback and now I can actually get liquid out. I hate to complain about such a sweet bike but maybe this feedback is helpful for future models?!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Diesel44] [ In reply to ]
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I'd have to agree with this one - I am off to REI tomorrow to buy a camelbak bite valve, the one that comes with it is somewhat useless.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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To my knowledge, there isn't. But, luckily for shiv riders, that's gonna change in a few weeks.

We will soon be releasing the new Speedpack 483 and it will mount to your top tube behind your shiv's hydration port, cables, whatever. And the 483 won't need to connect to a stem at all. With our new proprietary strap system, this new Speedpack will stay very securely on your top tube even without a stem for support. If you want to see a pic, we have one of our prototype packs pictured (during some on-bike testing) on our facebook page. And if you're interested, we also have a pre-order list going on our website, but you don't need to pre-pay.


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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Shane_W] [ In reply to ]
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Yes the Shiv bit valve takes some practice, you have to get your teeth right on the line and it makes it hard to suck liquid if you're not right on. I think I'll try the camelback valve too.

As for loading the bladder into the bike, I find it's easier if I use a piece of plastic (like a plastic ruler) to guide the bladder down into the frame. Otherwise, it tends to bind up a bit, and if the hose kinks in any way, its nearly impossible to suck liquid. It seems that pulling the bladder out a bit makes for easier filling. Part of the problem is that the liquid needs to displace air in order to drain down into the bladder, so (hypothetically) if there was a straw or some other way for air to get out of the bladder as liquid enters, the whole process should be much faster.

YMMV
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
To my knowledge, there isn't. But, luckily for shiv riders, that's gonna change in a few weeks.

We will soon be releasing the new Speedpack 483 and it will mount to your top tube behind your shiv's hydration port, cables, whatever. And the 483 won't need to connect to a stem at all. With our new proprietary strap system, this new Speedpack will stay very securely on your top tube even without a stem for support. If you want to see a pic, we have one of our prototype packs pictured (during some on-bike testing) on our facebook page. And if you're interested, we also have a pre-order list going on our website, but you don't need to pre-pay.

Good to know. I got to your site and pre-order!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Shane_W] [ In reply to ]
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Shane_W wrote:
I'd have to agree with this one - I am off to REI tomorrow to buy a camelbak bite valve, the one that comes with it is somewhat useless.

I have to agree that the existing valve leaves a lot to be desired. It works, just not very well. I purchased a camelback bite valve too. However, I'm not sure how to connect it because the valve is smaller than the tube. What's your plan?

Despite the valve issue and magnets needing to be replaced with rare earth magnets, I LOVE MY BIKE! It's fast!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Diesel44] [ In reply to ]
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I have been riding my new Shiv for a couple of weeks now and it is great. However the bite valve for the liquid bladder leaves a lot to be desired. I thought it was just me but two of my friends have the same bike and had the same complaint. I swapped the entire tube and valve out with one from a camelback and now I can actually get liquid out. I hate to complain about such a sweet bike but maybe this feedback is helpful for future models?!

Can you buy the tube and bite valve separately? I've seen the bite valve (which I purchased), but not the tube. Maybe I need to look harder.

Thanks
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
Diesel44 wrote:
I have been riding my new Shiv for a couple of weeks now and it is great. However the bite valve for the liquid bladder leaves a lot to be desired. I thought it was just me but two of my friends have the same bike and had the same complaint. I swapped the entire tube and valve out with one from a camelback and now I can actually get liquid out. I hate to complain about such a sweet bike but maybe this feedback is helpful for future models?!

Can you buy the tube and bite valve separately? I've seen the bite valve (which I purchased), but not the tube. Maybe I need to look harder.

Thanks
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. I am not much help, I had an extra camelback to scavenge for parts. Maybe just buy a whole new camelback bladder and then use the parts that you need. An added benefit is that the blue tube looks cool!
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Diesel44] [ In reply to ]
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For those of you with a size Medium frame, what size is the bladder you use? I got a bladder that fits XS/S frames, just wanted to check before I call the LBS back.

Is there a bladder designed for the Medium sized frame?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [REDSTORM] [ In reply to ]
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There are only 2 size bladders, the other fits M and up. I think you got the wrong bladder with your frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [REDSTORM] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah - I have a medium and you are supposed to get the larger bladder with that frame.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [REDSTORM] [ In reply to ]
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REDSTORM wrote:
For those of you with a size Medium frame, what size is the bladder you use? I got a bladder that fits XS/S frames, just wanted to check before I call the LBS back.

Is there a bladder designed for the Medium sized frame?

Size Medium should be shipping with a 23ox (Large) bladder. The XS and Small are shipping with a 21oz (Small) bladder.

Cheers



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks all, I may just stay w the 21oz bladder, it will probably fit easier, and really, what 2extra oz's of liquid? It's not worth the $20 of gas it'll take me to get to the LBS.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [REDSTORM] [ In reply to ]
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Speed/Cadence sensor placement.

With all of the effort placed on clean lines and no cabling, I am surprised at the lack of effort at integration.
The Duo Trap appears a really neat and simple solution.

One would assume that the vast majority of owners would be using Ant+, Polar or Bluetooth
Would it be too cost prohibitive for an aftermarket company to supply all three solutions?


It just seems a shame that I am going to have to zip tie sensors to the frame
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [coxy_in_nz] [ In reply to ]
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coxy_in_nz wrote:
Speed/Cadence sensor placement.

With all of the effort placed on clean lines and no cabling, I am surprised at the lack of effort at integration.
The Duo Trap appears a really neat and simple solution.

One would assume that the vast majority of owners would be using Ant+, Polar or Bluetooth
Would it be too cost prohibitive for an aftermarket company to supply all three solutions?


It just seems a shame that I am going to have to zip tie sensors to the frame

But of those three, I will only use one (currently using none) and I don't want to pay for tech that I am not going to use.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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I've had my Shiv for about 1.5 weeks and think I'm in love. I am still working out the kinks with the bite valve (replaced w/ camelbak and shortened the tube but it seems but now the valve won't stay on; may use camelbak tube) and am also having some issues with Rotor Q-Rings and SRAM Red but I'm sure it will get resolved after I see the right mechanic. It's amazing how much faster and more comfortable I am on this bike than I have EVER been before. Best purchase ever.


When I finished my ride tonight, I noticed the shop that built the bike forgot to put on some of the pieces by the stem. I'm not sure what adapters to put on and was hoping to solicit some feedback from those of you that are more experienced....I tried putting on the piece in the 3rd picture but the screw obviously was too long to make it work. Any thoughts or recommendations would be much appreciated!








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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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The pictures posted in the editor....anyone know why they won't post?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jenkinsbr] [ In reply to ]
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I have a quick, "What would you do?" question for the thread. I may purchase a new Shiv. My current ride has a Sram Red FD/RD and Crankset. The cassette is a 1070 or Force Cassette. Would you;

A) purchase the S-works Module and transfer the drivetrain over and sale the frame of the old bike
B) purchase the Shiv Pro Sram Red and Sale the other bike as is

I will admit that my old bike has the 2011 Red FD and is fairly touchy when it comes to move from small to large chainring. I understand the the Sram Red FD on the Shiv Pro Sram Red is the newer black edition, and does not flex as much.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Bmonty2504] [ In reply to ]
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What are the two bosses on the non-drive side chainstay for? DI2 battery? I have the Shiv Comp and won't be going DI2 anytime soon...wish there was a cleaner way to mount sensors for speed/cadence using these bosses...any thoughts?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tazunemono] [ In reply to ]
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tazunemono wrote:
What are the two bosses on the non-drive side chainstay for? DI2 battery? I have the Shiv Comp and won't be going DI2 anytime soon...wish there was a cleaner way to mount sensors for speed/cadence using these bosses...any thoughts?

I don't know the answer, but I like the way you're thinking - hope some posts a brilliant idea
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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What Bosses? Any chance of a photo.

The reason I ask is because I cannot see them on either on the Specialized site not any of the photos in the TriRig article.

Is there a relationship between the bosses and the crank - could it be a mounting point for sensors?

I also did not notice any additional bosses on a frame on display in our LBS in New Zealand.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [coxy_in_nz] [ In reply to ]
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I've been getting in to the whole triathlon picture, got my first tri bike, the new Shiv Comp and am wondering what the best "bang-for-buck" upgrades I can make will be. I'm consistently reading tires and wheels... but am wondering what to pay attention to/be alert for/etc. I'm a bigger rider @ about 230 lbs. if that makes any difference.

Does anyone have recommendations for mid-range wheels? I'm not looking to drop another $3k, but something in the $1000 to $1500 might be more plausible (and will that create a substantial difference?!). Are $80-$100 tires a better buy?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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For all of you riding a new shiv tri in a size small… What are your pad stack and reach measurements? I’ve been really interested in the new shiv tri and attempted to get in touch with specialized a few times with no luck. My current bike’s pad stack is 625 and my pad reach is 475. I pulled up the 2012 shiv fit guide…
http://www.specialized.com/OA_MEDIA/pdf/SHIVStack-Reach.pdf

And it look as though the medium is too tall (unless I use a low rise aerobar instead of the integrated one) and the small might be the best fit. I’m just wondering if my reach of 475 from the BB would end up putting too much weight over the front wheel and give me some handling issues.

What are your thoughts? Worst case scenario here is the bike won’t fit and ill move onto something else.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [JMarkel9] [ In reply to ]
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JMarkel9 wrote:
For all of you riding a new shiv tri in a size small… What are your pad stack and reach measurements? I’ve been really interested in the new shiv tri and attempted to get in touch with specialized a few times with no luck. My current bike’s pad stack is 625 and my pad reach is 475. I pulled up the 2012 shiv fit guide…
http://www.specialized.com/OA_MEDIA/pdf/SHIVStack-Reach.pdf

And it look as though the medium is too tall (unless I use a low rise aerobar instead of the integrated one) and the small might be the best fit. I’m just wondering if my reach of 475 from the BB would end up putting too much weight over the front wheel and give me some handling issues.

What are your thoughts? Worst case scenario here is the bike won’t fit and ill move onto something else.

I currently have a small Shiv Tri. My stack is 540 my reach is 385 (all legs, short torso). I've been professionally fit. Prior to riding a Shiv, I rode a medium Transition.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [tazunemono] [ In reply to ]
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Indeed, those are for mounting a Di2/Ui2 Bettery.

Chris


tazunemono wrote:
What are the two bosses on the non-drive side chainstay for? DI2 battery? I have the Shiv Comp and won't be going DI2 anytime soon...wish there was a cleaner way to mount sensors for speed/cadence using these bosses...any thoughts?



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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CakeWalk] [ In reply to ]
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I've used them for anchoring the zip ties for my Garmin speed/cadence sensor.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark,

I'm trying to fit an S-Works cage between the bars and I couldn't figure how you tie wrap yours. My cage is too low between my arm. Could you send more precises pictures of your setup please?

Thanks! Awesome bike BTW!


MITaerobike wrote:
The Extension spacing is 110mm C-C and the stock ski-tips that come on the bike jog 10mm inward from each side (or can be swapped to go wider 10mm on each side). With rotation, you can get a pretty dialed fit.

There's room for a standard bottle cage or the X-Lab Torpedo. Here's a pic of my front end setup.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [quickguru] [ In reply to ]
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I owe you some better pictures, but this was recommend to me by our pro triathlon team mechanic, Jeff Donaldson. Using a Specialized Rib cage, we zip tied one tie on the back of the cage to both the left and right extension. In the front, we used several zip ties to create a platform for the "upper" water bottle bolt area and then zip tied that onto this "zip-tie" platform. This angles the bottle up a bit and is still easy to access and pretty stiff.

Hope that helps,

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [CAnderson_SBC] [ In reply to ]
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I have a new S-Works SHIV and had the bike shop cut the head tube down to the lowest control tower position to be used with the included Specialized carbon aerobars. The position is still not low enough so I want to change to a different stem and aero bar setup. The problem is that the Specialized stem stack height is only 30mm and most manufacturers make stems with a 40mm stack height.
I had no idea that when I had the head tube cut that I would be losing the option to use an aftermarket Aerobar configuration.

Any suggestions or solutions?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if the integrated stem/bar option is available aftermarket yet? I really want the Shiv Expert because I like the color, but I'd also like the aero stem/carbon bar of the Shiv Pro.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [hankscorpio] [ In reply to ]
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The Specialized aerobars will be available this summer -- will likely be around July in stores. We had to make sure we could hit demand for bikes first, thus the bars weren't available aftermarket immediately when the Shiv launched.

The alloy bar on the Shiv Expert is identical fit to the carbon bar. So you could build and race with the Expert out of the box and then upgrade to the carbon barset during the summer.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, I was aware of the dealers not having them at launch in order to meet demand of the bikes. Wasn't sure if they were out now aftermarket or what. Thanks for the info!

So, the fit for the rider is identical, but what about aero? I assume the integrated bars are more aero than the non-integrated of the Expert/Comp models, right? Or is it just the integration of the stem that changes the aero?

Aerodynamically, would I be better off waiting for the integrated bars to come out, or to just grab a pro missile evo (or, whatever top-end bar) and slapping that on the Shiv Expert's standard stem?

Really appreciate the answers, thanks!
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Question - I have the TL-720 brake levers on my Shiv - does this recall apply to my bike? The description below is unclear...

http://www.cpsc.gov/.../prhtml12/12151.html

"Description: The recalled products are Tektro TL-83 brake levers. TL-83 levers are designed exclusively for use with aerodynamic handlebars (aerobars) sold as original equipment on 2010 and 2011 S-Works Shiv bicycle frame modules and 2012 S-Works Shiv TT bicycle frame modules. They are also sold as aftermarket service parts for these modules. The levers are modified versions of the TL-720 brake lever. They are black aluminum and have a quick release slot at the top of the lever arm. Model number “TL-720” can be read on the side of the lever arm when braking action is applied."
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Any idea of what price the integrated aero bar will be?
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Mark - are you guys going to release the base bars in different widths? I have the Pro but I really need some wider base bars. I run my Venge and Tarmacs with the FSA 440mm bars. It would be great if you guys had at least a slightly wider bar than what comes on them stock.
-Shane
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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I raced on the Shiv Pro SRAM Red today for the first time and loved it! I posted the fastest bike split in the race. My one question is if you have any suggestions for how to get the drink straw to stay put? Every time I hit bumps on my ride it falls down. I would love to see a small fork like clamp instead of the magnet...something I could just stick the straw in so it wouldn't bounce around. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I love the ride. Crosswinds were terrible today but the Shiv handled them to perfection! Thanks for designing such an AWESOMELY fast ride!

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Re: Shiv brake lever recall question [jesse@thr] [ In reply to ]
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This recall is for the brake levers included on Shiv TT modules. These have threaded stops that act as quick releases on the lever. We have changed the design to no longer have the quick release feature.

On all of the Shiv (not Shiv TT) bikes, framesets, and modules, the brake levers are not affected by this recall and are good to go.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [GAIJIN] [ In reply to ]
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Pricing for the integrated aerobars hasn't been set yet, but it'll be very competitive.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Shane_W] [ In reply to ]
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We aren't currently planning on releasing another width outside of the 410mm bars that are spec-ed today. While I'd like to make something around 360/380 and some 420's or 440's, we haven't tooled these yet.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [Jeff Paul IA] [ In reply to ]
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There is a bigger magnet for the silicone strap part that is coming available this summer -- a 12mm diameter by 4mm thick magnet is in this new strap. With the "open" style bite valve and this new magnet, we're able to ride here without any issues on the biggest bumps and fastest descents.

The open style bite valve has a bigger magnet in it than the other bite valve. Try this out first and see if it fixes your problems -- it does for most. Secondly, if you prefer the "closed" bite valve, then remove the magnet from the
open bite valve and electrical tape it to your extensions. This will give you a bit more magnetic force than the current silicone strap.

Either way, the solution is more magnetic force.

As soon as the new magnetic silicone strap is available, I will post the information to the forum.

Mark

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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Mark
I posted a question a few days ago and was hoping you may have a solution.
When you are using the integrated areobars and want the stack tower in the lowest position you must cut the headtube down to 30mm to add the included integrated stem topcap. Once you make this cut you can no longer use an after market aerobar because there isn't a single stem (that I could find) that has a 30mm stack height.
If there isn't a solution then there should be a warning or a reconfigure of the stem topcap to accommodate leaving a 40mm stem height.
Please let me know my my options are.
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Official Specialized Shiv Thread [MITaerobike] [ In reply to ]
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I stuffed a 1/2 inch by 1/4 inch rare earth magnet in the current knog and it works beautifully! absolutely locks both mouth pieces in place without any chance of it slipping.


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MITaerobike wrote:
The Specialized aerobars will be available this summer -- will likely be around July in stores. We had to make sure we could hit demand for bikes first, thus the bars weren't available aftermarket immediately when the Shiv launched.

The alloy bar on the Shiv Expert is identical fit to the carbon bar. So you could build and race with the Expert out of the box and then upgrade to the carbon barset during the summer.

Mark

Mark any chance that those of us with th Shiv TT will be able to buy extensions to replace the standard ones that come with the module?
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