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US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"?
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This is neither a troll post, nor an attempt at flaming patriotism or USA.

But, what is the US Marines doing sponsoring the 70.3 World Champs? And what is the WTC doing endorsing this companionship?

From an international view itīs both strange, out of place and quite frankly, disturbing to have a national military force being the title sponsor for an event supposedly marketing itself as an international championship.
In the "real" sporting world, outside of such self-proclaiming world championships seen in boxing, triathlon etc, it would be totally unacceptable to have such a political and polarizing sponsor hosting the event.

If WTC were hosting just an ordinary event it wouldnīt be a big deal. But if they are seriously intending to host international championships there will hopefully be many participants from all corners of the world. Iīm sure a lot of them donīt feel comfortable with the force fed patriotism and military prescence.

Sure, these events take place in the US but the actions by the WTC (this and much more) goes to show that they couldnīt care less about hosting championship that cater more to the athletes then to their own wallets. And that these events arenīt international events as much as American events organized in America with American values and patriotism at the forefront.

Iīm not saying that this patriotism is bad. You may be as patriotic and pro-Marine as you wish. I donīt judge or value this. But are the "world champs" the right place for it?

I know from experience that itīs almost futile and pointless to have a rational discussion about these topics. A lot of hot headed people rather let their red, white and blue cloud their ability to actually look at the point being made, than to offer an argumentative answer to the questions Iīve raised.

When I look at this situation Iīm VERY happy to have an organisation as the ITU in the world of triathlon!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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As a Brit, who was thinking of trying to qualify for Vegas next year, it seems a bit off. Makes me question whether they really want non-US athletes to race.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism. The Marines want the elite of America's youth and advertise via the UFC and IM, two extreme sports where young athletes that fit the Marine mold gravitate towards. I'm far from a patriotic American and that's how I see it.

We will never know, but my guess is the Marines offered the most money to sponsor the event, that is how things work in a free economy.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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When are people going to get past the World Champs title that the WTC uses?

They are a for-profit company and they are going to do what they want to do, and that is accept money from who ever gives it to them.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [furiousferret] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, but what about racing a "world champs" in Israel with Mossad as main sponsor, or in Russia with Spetsnaz as the host?
Or why not in China with the Peoples Liberation Army as title sponsor?
Would that feel inviting or appropriate?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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>with the force fed patriotism and military prescence.

The other post, with the guy wondering where all the Marines are, makes me think you are maybe dramatizing the presence a bit. Whatever you do, don't visit The Strip, if you're seeking to avoid force-feeding of American culture!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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not to point out the obvious but the date september 11 could be a factor
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
>with the force fed patriotism and military prescence.

The other post, with the guy wondering where all the Marines are, makes me think you are maybe dramatizing the presence a bit. Whatever you do, don't visit The Strip, if you're seeking to avoid force-feeding of American culture!

I love American culture! I love spending time in America!
This is not what Iīm writing about in my post.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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I just think it is a waste of tax dollars. You think they would realize that "world champs" or not this sport is all about 35 plus year olds with too much time on their hands...all of whom are far too old to join the marines. On the bright side it likely did not cost us that much.

As for what you are complaining about what title sponsor would be appropriate in your opinion?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [jimmys525] [ In reply to ]
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jimmys525 wrote:
not to point out the obvious but the date september 11 could be a factor

Iīm fully aware of the national trauma from this day. I donīt dispute this at all.
Terrorist attacks happen all over the world though.
My question is what this have to do with a so-called World Championship in triathlon?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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I completely agree with you. This is ridiculous.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas wrote:

Yeah, but what about racing a "world champs" in Israel with Mossad as main sponsor, or in Russia with Spetsnaz as the host?
Or why not in China with the Peoples Liberation Army as title sponsor?
Would that feel inviting or appropriate?

Who cares who the primary sponsor is? Would you be less apt to qualify or race if Tampax were the title sponsor? As previously stated, WTC is a for-profit company and they're going to go with whomever is writing the largest check.

Now if you are an American tax payer I could see you wondering what the USMC was doing spending it's marketing budget on a "world championship" race when those funds may be better spent.

As a Marine I think the recruiting effort and funds could be better spent.

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas wrote:

Yeah, but what about racing a "world champs" in Israel with Mossad as main sponsor, or in Russia with Spetsnaz as the host?
Or why not in China with the Peoples Liberation Army as title sponsor?
Would that feel inviting or appropriate?


The main difference is that the other armys you mention all have the draft. The marines need to advertise to get volunteers to sign up. They also sponser a Nascar team and other sports.

Also, remember it is the 10th anniversary of 9/11. I'm not sure whether this is a one time deal or not, but you may want to cut them some slack on the whole patriotism thing for this year.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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People are always complaining about how the military spends it money. They argue rather than giving billions of dollars of aid to foreign nations that we should spend it on ourselves. I guess this is one small step towards that goal.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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The navy sponsored kIna a few years ago. Not the title sponsor, but their name was all over the porta potties. Considering about every other month someone posts a question about joining the military on this site I think they are hitting a target market. Plus the tv coverage etc. Marketting/recruitment is a big budget item. It's the whole reason the blue angels and thunderbirds exist.

Not to mention the families of the participants. Kids of type A driven individuals. Getting an edge over the other services for name recognition to these guys.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Given that our Government has such a mess of a budget, this just seems like another bad idea. More waste of taxpayer dollars. I would love to know how much they paid for the sponsorship.

I saw a twitter post that said something to the effect that it was very weird to have a government institution as the title sponsor and "war is business?"
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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As an American I can actually agree with you. I would be a little turned off if it was held in another country and that countries military was the primary sponsor. At the same time though, the WTC is an American based company and it's a race taking place on America soil so I can also see how their a valid sponsor but again from a world perspective, it's a little off.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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990 Athletes from the US, AUS and GB equal second with 77 (or was it 177) regardless hardly a WC???

In regards to Marines sponsoring a race, firstly I can understand why they would, advertising to some of the fittest people out there. The military (like in AUS) have big budgets they can use to recruit people. I know in AUS they sponsor an award in Australian Rules Football, but that is the award for most courageous player so I can get that.

Although (as said) I understand why they sponsor the race, it just feels...well..just a little bit off.

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas wrote:
But, what is the US Marines doing sponsoring the 70.3 World Champs? And what is the WTC doing endorsing this companionship?

Dont read into it. It's just marketing, we need to recruit, and obviously someone sees this as an appropriate market. For WTC, they need the $ to pay out the paychecks.

If WTC were hosting just an ordinary event it wouldnīt be a big deal. But if they are seriously intending to host international championships there will hopefully be many participants from all corners of the world. Iīm sure a lot of them donīt feel comfortable with the force fed patriotism and military prescence.

From what I heard there was little to no presence of the military there, so was it really force fed or just a name on a banner?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe next year, every one that doesnt like the Marines "wasting" the money to sponsor a race will complain about the Marines "wasting" money when they let Ironman use Camp Pendleton in So Cal.

Each service is given money for recruitment efforts. If you dont like it, call your congress prerson!


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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The Marine Corps has been very friendly to this sport. Think of all the races that Camp Pendleton has hosted over the years, including full IM events and the current Oceanside 70.3. I am pretty critical of the WTC most of the time, but I think this is a genius partnership. I was a recruiter in the Marines a long time ago and I did not have any PR tools like this. It was just me talking up the virtue of being a Marine.

It is very good marketing for both the WTC and the Marine Corps. As far as gripes and complaints about 'taxpayer dollars' being spent for the USMC to be the title sponsor of this event, how much do you really think it costs? I think it is probably less than the $30 million grant the Feds give away to academics to study shrimps running on treadmills. There is far more wasteful spending going by the Feds than in this sponsorship.

And I don't think it is wasteful at all. I think it is brilliant. I also understand how you might not dig it from an ideological perspective. Just remember that Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton and the USN Coronado Base have been very accomodating to triathlon. They have stepped up repeatedly over the years to support this sport far more than any private entity I can think of.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Brilliant? Good Marketing? How does this hit their target demographic? I agree with this guy --

"You think they would realize that "world champs" or not this sport is all about 35 plus year olds with too much time on their hands...all of whom are far too old to join the marines"

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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A smart marketing person should know that it is a not a good idea to put 100% effort into one predefined target demographic without developing others. That's just basic. Good marketing is not static, it is developed outside of normalcy, which is to say that it is always adapting to changing circumstances.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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> How does this hit their target demographic? I agree with this guy

You and the guy miss the point. It's not about recruiting, and the Marines don't sell anything. It's about branding. And the demographic for the Marine brand is the "free world."
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [furiousferret] [ In reply to ]
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furiousferret wrote:
I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism. The Marines want the elite of America's youth and advertise via the UFC and IM, two extreme sports where young athletes that fit the Marine mold gravitate towards. I'm far from a patriotic American and that's how I see it.

We will never know, but my guess is the Marines offered the most money to sponsor the event, that is how things work in a free economy.

Oh, really?

So, if for instance the Mormon Church wanted to spend a few million bucks to be the title sponsor, would that be OK? What about some creationist movement with a lot of dough? Or some extreme conservative right wing lobby group that wanted to state an anti-gay or anti-gender equal society? Still OK
What about if the KKK raised a shitload of cash? Iīm sure they also want to "recruit"...

Extreme exemples, yes, but where would the WTC draw the line for something being TOO political, to religious, to polarizing?
If itīs just about the money, itīs just a matter who would pay the most.

And I get the point why the Marines want to sponsor this! But the question remains unanswered if thatīs appropriate in a so-called World Champs? Whatīs next year? Letting the CIA sponsor the event? Iīm sure they could use some good press too...

If youīre an American and went to a World Champs in a foreign country, would you feel comfortable and at ease with the opposite scenario?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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I do wonder a bit if it's going to help them reach their target market. Seems like they're going for the 18-25 year old demographic for their preferred recruits, and triathlon's a sport people usually seem to develop an interest in during their late 20s or later.

Seems like the X Games and such would be more of their desired demographic because they'd skew younger.
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JamesTR wrote:
As a Brit, who was thinking of trying to qualify for Vegas next year, it seems a bit off. Makes me question whether they really want non-US athletes to race.

As a Brit (albeit one living in the US) it makes absolutely no difference to me. That said, I think the intent behind having ford as a title sponsor of ironman is probably to aggravate the Germans...

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas Extreme exemples, yes, ... [b wrote:
I agree.[/b]


If youīre an American and went to a World Champs in a foreign country, would you feel comfortable and at ease with the opposite scenario?

I would fee comfortable and at ease if the worlds in Britain were sponsered by the SAS, or if they where in in Sweden and sponsored by the Military.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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So, if for instance the Mormon Church wanted to spend a few million bucks to be the title sponsor, would that be OK? What about some creationist movement with a lot of dough? Or some extreme conservative right wing lobby group that wanted to state an anti-gay or anti-gender equal society? Still OK
What about if the KKK raised a shitload of cash? Iīm sure they also want to "recruit"...

Extreme exemples, yes, but where would the WTC draw the line for something being TOO political, to religious, to polarizing?
If itīs just about the money, itīs just a matter who would pay the most.

And I get the point why the Marines want to sponsor this! But the question remains unanswered if thatīs appropriate in a so-called World Champs? Whatīs next year? Letting the CIA sponsor the event? Iīm sure they could use some good press too...

If youīre an American and went to a World Champs in a foreign country, would you feel comfortable and at ease with the opposite scenario?

Apparently you have not even a little bit of a clue about the Marine Corps.

BTW, if I went to a race in, say, Russia and it was sponsored by the Russian equivalent of the USMC I would have no issue (FTR I have never served in any armed forces).

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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It's a freakin' race. Who gives a shit?

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [FLA Jill] [ In reply to ]
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The US Army supports and sponsors many NHRA and NASCAR racers/teams for entire seasons.

The Marine Corps sponsors the 70.3 world championships.

One sponsorship costs less than the other.

How many 18-25 year olds do you think are ready to hop on a Top Fuel Drag bike?


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Now that makes perfect sense!

Ask anyone in the 18-25 male demographic and Ironman racing = not cool and boring.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN 19030 wrote:
It's a freakin' race. Who gives a shit?


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [fstbckadct] [ In reply to ]
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Remember the sponsor is paying. They are not getting paid. In theory, they are deferring some of the cost your event fee. One should, therefore, love it when an organization they despise sponsors an event. They are paying for you! Further, if you dislike the sponsor you should be very quiet about it so as to limit the exposure gained from their sponsorship. God Bless The United States Marine Corps.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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It could have been the WTC "World Champs" sponsored by Tampax. Or McDonalds. Or Budweiser (sorry, InBev). Or Exxon/Mobil.

Pretty sure WTC only cares about who can sign the biggest check, not the baggage or background that sponsor might bring.

If Mosad or Spetznaz wrote a bigger check - we'd probably be griping about that right now.
I think WTC World Champs on 9/11 sponsored by Mosad would be pretty badass, and a HUGE F U to the terrorists, but that's probably just me.
YMMV.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bobttcoach] [ In reply to ]
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You forgot the part that you are paying the sponsor with your taxes, so it's all coming back to you.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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Therefore, people should not whine about the US Military sponsoring any kind of sporting event.

There are gaps to fill to make this sport better.

It is amusing to me how the military knows better than the private sector PR firms about brand recognition.


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bigred3 wrote:
You forgot the part that you are paying the sponsor with your taxes, so it's all coming back to you.

Not pointing fingers so please don't take this the wrong way. The USMC has a recruiting budget and how they spend it is up to them. So that money is getting spent regardless. There is no better recruiting tool though than a Marine his or herself.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Brand recognition is very difficult to quantify. I think people are whining because this is our government dumping money that they don't have.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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Brand recognition is very difficult to quantify. I think people are whining because this is our government dumping money that they don't have.

Again...this money is budgeted already. If it wasn't spent here it would have been on buildboards or magazines etc. It's not like they said "screw it let's dump $500k into this" and we are footing more of a bill.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [MarkyMark80] [ In reply to ]
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We are broke. This is the wrong mentality, it's already budgeted... How about not spending it period? This the reason we are in trouble, rampant spending.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Mojozenmaster wrote:
....

It is amusing to me how the military knows better than the private sector PR firms about brand recognition.

And you know for a fact that the military didn't hire a private sector PR firm to help them with brand recognition?
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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I guess I see your point through my clouded patriotism. My guess...in all honesty...if that the Marines put up the most $$ to have their name on the banner. Much like Ford does for Kona. With enough cash I bet they would remain next years event "IM 70.3 WC brought to you by Jonas!". The Marines are are using the event as a platform for rectruitment which I can understand and I highly doubt the WTC put much thought into how the rest of the world would react. I mean, we're America after all, doesn't the rest of the world love us???

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Need4Speed305] [ In reply to ]
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I'd be willing to guess that title sponsorship for this event, which is otherwise barely a blip on the sporting world radar, costs a fraction of what one, :30 spot on the Super Bowl would run them. And yet nobody would say boo about the latter, since all sorts of corporations choose to waste their $ on SB commercials.

I'd also guess that trying to align themselves with (generally) young, fit, active people makes more sense for the Marines, than advertising to old, fat, couch potatoes who run to the bathroom during the boring commercials anyway.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [sdmike] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think the Marine Corps needs a private PR firm to affirm their brand recognition. But they have one nonetheless. But I do know the Marine Corps tried (as a part of a larger TV spot) to shoot a commercial in downtown San Francisco with the Silent Drill Team.

That never happened. I heard they fired that agency, and filmed here instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAp-VdBkIDE


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Don't get your panties all in a bunch, you don't have to worry about another countries military equal to the USMC sponsoring anything because let's face it none are even close let alone equal. Now drag your sorry ass back to mamby pamby land!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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No doubt, those SB spots are big $$. Plus, like you said, the market is very different. The SB seems to cater to beer, food and finance. I doubt many of the same people would care too much about who placed well at a triathlon or better yet who sponsored the damn thing.

On the flip side, the SB is an "American" event...but the World Series (baseball) isn't, yet it still gets only US teams and US sponsors and nobody complains about that...

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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bigred3 wrote:
We are broke. This is the wrong mentality, it's already budgeted... How about not spending it period? This the reason we are in trouble, rampant spending.

You miss the point. We need people to join the Marines. We do not have a draft. They need to market themselves. Where better then with fit people. Gets them thinking or their family or friends. There are lots of triathletes in the military.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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I think from a US Point of view, this makes a ton of sense. From an international point of view, imagine going to the ITU World's in Beijing and having the race sponsored by the People's Army....it would just seem weird for a non Chinese athlete, and might be really weird if you're from Korea or Japan. I think this is the angle that Jonas is trying to address. Of course, the date of this thread, and the entire topic is entirely turbocharged. I can certainly appreciate the US Point of view and why the Marine sponsorship makes sense....in the end this is a WTC World Championship. Basically a championship event that is "by invitation" to athletes from around the world....it's actually more like the US Open of Half Ironman and is probably more comparable to what is going on today in Flushing Meadows!!!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Some people will complain about anything/everything.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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America is different. The military is not the State. The state of America's military is volunteerism, not conscription.

About 1% serve to protect the other 99%

i think if other people knew that no-one here is forced into military service, that might make a difference. And a military entity sponsoring a sporting event is a good thing, not a bad thing.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas wrote:
Yeah, but what about racing a "world champs" in Israel with Mossad as main sponsor, or in Russia with Spetsnaz as the host?
Or why not in China with the Peoples Liberation Army as title sponsor?
Would that feel inviting or appropriate?
I think it would be really cool to beat them.
Sort of like a African American guy beating nazi's in the Olympics. Makes it that much sweeter. I mean it is not like the U.S. Is made up of over a billion nationalities anyway is it?

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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You'd think with the upcoming Dod funding cuts, that the military, and marines could probably use that money for something more needed, like bullets, bombs, body armor etc.


Or maybe WTC just couldn't get a title sponsor for the race to pay as much as they wanted?

I was at the race, other then ON running shoes, zipp/sram, and 19 wet suits b/c I know the reps, there was Kswiss and BMC bikes. I can't recall anyone else at the expo even. I'm sure others were there, but they didn't make an impact on me to get me to remember them.

The Marines as the title sponsor either they didn't get shit for booth space, didn't have the manpower or time to get a booth together or weren't even there at the expo.

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Chris G] [ In reply to ]
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You guys can speculate all you want but you should know it did not cost ANYTHING for the Marines to sponsor the 70.3 Championships.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Iron Gal] [ In reply to ]
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You guys can speculate all you want but you should know it did not cost ANYTHING for the Marines to sponsor the 70.3 Championships.

Now I'm disappointed in the VC firm that owns WTC for not being able to get a paying title sponsor for a world championships.

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I was disappointed by that too.......... to not see any official Marine Corps presence at the event. I used to have to pull color guard duty for the most innocuous events. I think on a day like today their resources were stretched pretty thin.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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That's not how budgets work. There is so much recruiting/marketting $. That's where it came from. Similar to weapons development/procurement $. This is manpower procurement $. Absolutely necessary. Without people there is no need for bullets or body armor.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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The Marines didn't "dump" any money into the race!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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The USMC is with their same advertising agency they've been since the 1940's. And last time I checked, that final shot of that video was shot in San Francisco.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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You all are reading WAY to much in to this.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that it is good for the Armed Forces of the US to get good publicity OTHER than war??

I thought it was good to see the Marines as the total sponsor. YES, it is the IM 70.3 WC, a WC held in the USA!! If anything, all the athletes should feel safe. Some of you idiots are making it sound like the Marines were going to post snipers in buildings picking off any NON-American who might be leading the race. Shut up already. I swear some of you all gripe and complain just to gripe and complain. Is it really going to affect your race?? No! Put a sock in it.

The US Army is all over NASCAR and Pro Rodeo. Not to mention the banners and such you always see at the Olympic Games when they are in the US. No one complains about that.

It's good publicity for the Marines. Publicity targeted at all demographics. Their target demographic and the Parents and Grandparents of their target demographic that might have to give their blessing to a son or grandson wanting to become a Marine. I guess that idea would have required some of you all to actually think though. ;-)

In the end, it was a great race! An Australian won and passed an American to do so. I think everyone is safe. Geez!!
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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I never understand these sort of posts. First, if you don't agree with the sponsor or you hate WTC because they are a for profit company than don't do the race. Pretty simple really.
Regardless of who the sponsors are....if someone or something didn't come forward it's highly unlikely these races would exist. It's like when everyone complained about how Kona was one big Ford commercial. It's because of sponsoships you even have the ability to watch your sport.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [maverick04] [ In reply to ]
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The US Navy sponsors the X Games where were the complaints about that?

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [bigred3] [ In reply to ]
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"We are broke. This is the wrong mentality, it's already budgeted... How about not spending it period? This the reason we are in trouble, rampant spending."

You have no idea how government $ is budgeted and spent. This is REGULAR PROGRAMMED money that is 5 years old. While yes, the USMC could have NOT spent the $ to sponsor the race today, it would NOT have resulted in any additional $ available in current government coffers. It simply does not work that way with government money. In reality, programmed money that is not spent simply goes away...and has a ripple effect that leaves an ever reducing budget for the entity at hand...USMC...and USMC Recruiting in particular.

I spent my last 3 years prior to retirement at USMC Recruiting HQ. I think you would actually be fairly pleased with the extremely effective use of advertising $ by the USMC. They spend orders of magnitude less $ than the other services, and yet have maintained successful recruiting missions for decades. They are VERY selective about where the $ is spent. And there are incredibly precise metrics used to determine the efficacy of any particular advertising campaign. While I was there we dumped the Busch Series car sponsorship because it simply didn't produce the exposure that other venues...like the 70.3 at hand...produced.

I could point to a lot of "rampant spending" in the DoD and related government entities in the last 10 years. This is NOT it.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [maverick04] [ In reply to ]
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Buncha commies in this thread.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Iron Gal] [ In reply to ]
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Iron Gal wrote:
You guys can speculate all you want but you should know it did not cost ANYTHING for the Marines to sponsor the 70.3 Championships.

Then I have no objection at all to it :-)

I really do think that the Army likely gets their money's worth from Nascar though. Seems like there is far more interest in serving in the military in the south than here in NY.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Other than the people during the broadcasts, who else actually refers to the race as the "Marines Ironman 70.3 World Championships"? That sort of lingo is reserved for the people who are getting paid to say that mouthful. Those same people couldn't actually give a shit what they call the race. Same goes for me.

Think about how we talk about the other races on the forum. We talk IMLP, not the Ford Ironman Lake Placid. Same for IMKY, Kona, etc. In common parlance, we couldn't care less who is sponsoring the event. I haven't a clue who sponsors the European events, nor would it matter.






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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Jonas wrote:
furiousferret wrote:
I don't think it has anything to do with patriotism. The Marines want the elite of America's youth and advertise via the UFC and IM, two extreme sports where young athletes that fit the Marine mold gravitate towards. I'm far from a patriotic American and that's how I see it.

We will never know, but my guess is the Marines offered the most money to sponsor the event, that is how things work in a free economy.


Oh, really?

So, if for instance the Mormon Church wanted to spend a few million bucks to be the title sponsor, would that be OK? What about some creationist movement with a lot of dough? Or some extreme conservative right wing lobby group that wanted to state an anti-gay or anti-gender equal society? Still OK
What about if the KKK raised a shitload of cash? Iīm sure they also want to "recruit"...

Extreme exemples, yes, but where would the WTC draw the line for something being TOO political, to religious, to polarizing?
If itīs just about the money, itīs just a matter who would pay the most.

And I get the point why the Marines want to sponsor this! But the question remains unanswered if thatīs appropriate in a so-called World Champs? Whatīs next year? Letting the CIA sponsor the event? Iīm sure they could use some good press too...

If youīre an American and went to a World Champs in a foreign country, would you feel comfortable and at ease with the opposite scenario?

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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You should also worry if they are the ones measuring the swim course................................They will do it in nautical miles!!! ..Think this happened in the first IM calif. Little long
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Iron Gal] [ In reply to ]
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They wanted to shoot the Silent Drill Team in Haight-Ashbury, I know this for a fact. Maybe they were denied by the SF City Council. Anyone can shoot from Chrissy Field.


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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Mojozenmaster] [ In reply to ]
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Blimey! It seems most posting in this thread, apart from the synergy with 9/11, have totally forgotten the original links with the military and Ironman, a link forged long before the JV companies or even previous owners of the Ironman name were in the game.

Commander (later Captain) John Collins was the man who first proposed the competition (and no it wasn't in a bar and there weren't a number of military present). However, it was a marine, nearly three years later, who pushed John (and his wife Judy) into actually getting the original Ironman race underway. I remember the quote was, "When are we going to get this three part thing going", or words to that effect.

And there was certainly a strong showing from the Hawaiian based military (US military) in that first race, and the military has been involved, in the US and around the world, ever since with most races recognising a 'uniform' category.

It seems on the day, and in the traditions of Ironman therefore that the Marines are the perfect sponsor! And what better way to showcase the human side and the lifestyle fitness of the corp?

As a student of history of Ironman I say "get over it" and get on with your training - there's another race around the corner!

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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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the difference is the US Military is made of Volunteers not people that are required to serve!

Big Difference.




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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [FLA Jill] [ In reply to ]
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The Navy sponsored the X Games this year
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [Jonas] [ In reply to ]
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Don't ever come race Oceanside then. You'll have to race by REAL marines with REAL guns riding in REAL tanks. Shit, or Superfrog, Navy fucking SEALS. Forget about it

As others have mentioned, it's a made up WC. Just like Kona, and Clearwater was. I'd be more afraid of racing around a bunch of scary driving blue hairs in Fla than any marines. Who, by the way (the marines) make absolutely kick ass "volunteers"

And no, if it was in the UK and the RAF was a sponsor, I really wouldn't care or notice.
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ChrisM wrote:
Don't ever come race Oceanside then. You'll have to race by REAL marines with REAL guns riding in REAL tanks. Shit, or Superfrog, Navy fucking SEALS. Forget about it

As others have mentioned, it's a made up WC. Just like Kona, and Clearwater was. I'd be more afraid of racing around a bunch of scary driving blue hairs in Fla than any marines. Who, by the way (the marines) make absolutely kick ass "volunteers"

And no, if it was in the UK and the RAF was a sponsor, I really wouldn't care or notice.

Realistically as I said earlier in the thread, these events are like the US Open of half and full Ironman, with approximately 50 percent invites to international athletes (which by the way is awesome....I love the international flavour). Its just that Americans have a habit of calling big events on their home soil World Championships (world series, superbowl, NBA championships) even though typically only US participants/teams get to play. At least at a WTC World Championships, we have a lot of international content, but realistically these events are more like Flushing Meadows than the Olympic games! Viewed in the context of "US Open of Half Ironman" the Marines sponsorship entirely makes sense. Viewed in a true World Championship context, I am sure that some athlete from China, or Iraq or Afghanistan, or North Korea might feel somewhat uncomfortable.

So for my international friends who might feel it being out of place, just view it as the US Open of half IM, and the cognitive dissonance around having an Armed Force sponsoring the event should subside :-). Makes sense for the Marines to sponsor a US Open. It's in the US, it's their event, and they are hosting us, and the Marines help provide the freedom in the US under which the event happens.
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Re: US Marines sponsoring WTC "World Champs"? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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ChrisM wrote:


Realistically as I said earlier in the thread, these events are like the US Open of half and full Ironman, with approximately 50 percent invites to international athletes (which by the way is awesome....I love the international flavour). Its just that Americans have a habit of calling big events on their home soil World Championships (world series, superbowl, NBA championships) even though typically only US participants/teams get to play. At least at a WTC World Championships, we have a lot of international content, but realistically these events are more like Flushing Meadows than the Olympic games! Viewed in the context of "US Open of Half Ironman" the Marines sponsorship entirely makes sense. Viewed in a true World Championship context, I am sure that some athlete from China, or Iraq or Afghanistan, or North Korea might feel somewhat uncomfortable.

So for my international friends who might feel it being out of place, just view it as the US Open of half IM, and the cognitive dissonance around having an Armed Force sponsoring the event should subside :-). Makes sense for the Marines to sponsor a US Open. It's in the US, it's their event, and they are hosting us, and the Marines help provide the freedom in the US under which the event happens.
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