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Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This?
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I've been hearing a lot of rumors lately about an Ironman in the Woodlands, TX in 2011 but can't seem to find any substantial evidence one way or the other.

Does anyone here know anything about this they can share?
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i hope to god that its not true.


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Late July would be a good time of the year.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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Where did you see or hear this? I do wish they would have longer races in the woodlands. CB and I is Great. DIdn't they used to have a 101 there? I am from Spring living in Dallas and would actually like to do an Ironman in the Woodlands but I think it would be to much for the area. Kind of a Cluster.

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A couple of people were talking about this in my running group last night and one from a pretty creditable source. Like I said earlier, they're all rumors, just didn't know if anyone could confirm this or not.

I can't imagine how they would make it happen, but it would be cool if it somehow worked. Living in Houston, this would be ideal. Maybe it's all just wishful thinking. Apparently there isn't anyone out there that's heard the same.
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A late March/Early April Ironman in the Woodlands would be so awesome!

Fingers crossed



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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I heard the rumor from a couple of guys at the swim hosted in conjunction with the Gateway to the Bay Triathlon. While it would be nice, I don't see it happening, unless there have been policy changes in The Woodlands. The Tri101 race that was supposed to have taken place there in 2008 fell through due, allegedly, to issues with the city on road closures & such. All the same, it would be nice to have a 140.6 race so close to home.


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [off242] [ In reply to ]
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just a rumor... everyone was thinking the big announcment for Lone star was that there would be a full IM. Not happening,,, unless it's a brand new RD going to do it.. the ones that already have races there have said many times it won't be them.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.runnertriathletenews.com/...4A3FB03EBDB3358BB180


It is happening I heard they were in talks about March or May. Maybe somebody can ask Keith from Galveston 70.3 he might know better. Two different transitions. But it is still a rumor.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [guiot] [ In reply to ]
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Already sponsor of the 70.3, why would they also sponsor a full.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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I'm suprised the ST sleuths have not checked to see if the names are registered yet?? The 101 finale was supposed to be there, I was actually looking foreward to covering it. From all I had heard about the area it sounded like a good place for a long race, provided you picked a time of year when the weather is good. NOt sure if it was the city or the lack of will and funds that cancelled that 101 race, wouldn't read too much into that situation. BEsides Ironman is a different animal altogether and they have just a bit more juice than some new race...
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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I love how they're diluting the Kona slot pool! Pretty soon there will be 1750 qualifying races offering 1 slot per race.

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I've been hearing a lot of rumors lately about an Ironman in the Woodlands, TX in 2011 but can't seem to find any substantial evidence one way or the other.

Does anyone here know anything about this they can share?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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It's happening. Announcement next month. Point to point swim, single loop bike, 2 (maybe 3) loop run. Mid-May race date with slight chance of movement to March. Memorial Herman is the title sponsor. Combination of new consolidated governance structure in The Woodlands and Ironman brand recognition makes race possible where the 101 series was unable to get off the ground.

I am in no way affiliated with the organizers or The Woodlands. I just have several very credible sources that are very close to the action.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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I remember reading a story about a Woodlands triathlete that got a lottery into Kona. anyone know the guys name?

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [aka roadhouse] [ In reply to ]
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I remember reading a story about a Woodlands triathlete that got a lottery into Kona. anyone know the guys name?

Actually it was a woman from The Woodlands. Announced today. THis story ran on the local news.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=7384496
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [monty] [ In reply to ]
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I pray that this is the first race they announce that will be done WITHOUT a professional field.

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I remember reading a story about a Woodlands triathlete that got a lottery into Kona. anyone know the guys name?


Actually it was a woman from The Woodlands. Announced today. THis story ran on the local news.http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=7384496[/reply[/url]]

two different stories. I'm sure it was a guy, I wanna say a soldier who's deployment timing was off perhaps but don't quote me on that, just something got in the way . yes, he hurt himself and was out of the running i think it was. sorry for the memory loss, it's been some time since I read the story so i can't place exactly what it was but i think it had to do with an inury now that i'm slowly recollecting it. he was at the time 33 years old and maybe it was last year and I wanna say his first name is Kevin.

either way, cool for the girl.

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Sorry but there will be a pro field.
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Sorry but there will be a pro field.


pro is just a word.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Marky, agreed on that. And it would be nice if they consolidated age grouper Kona slots to three North America races per year (they could rotate the three), so that the slot pool does not get thinned out (ex above was 1750 races each with 1 Kona slot) :-(
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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You should blog (xtri) about that. Both pro and AG

you must be in China or on the west coast. it's 1a in Ottawa.

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I remember reading a story about a Woodlands triathlete that got a lottery into Kona. anyone know the guys name?


Actually it was a woman from The Woodlands. Announced today. THis story ran on the local news.http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=7384496[/reply[/url]]

Husband and wife get back to back lottery spots?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [MarkyV] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe the 20? slots they have will be from reduced Pro ranks from the new qualifying standards?

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Husband and wife get back to back lottery spots?

Yep, and they've been repeatedly assured that it was completely random. He was just as likely to have gotten another slot this year as she was or anyone else.

While she only found out about it yesterday Ironman contacted him a few weeks ago in order to setup the logistics of the surprise announcement. He was very curious about the back to back issue. They way its been explained to him is that another firm is simply given a list of all of the lottery entrants. The list does not contain anything other than names (no states, interesting stories, etc.). Once the drawing takes place and the names are sent back to Ironman they then cull through the applications looking for interesting stories. It was at this point that Ironman picked up on the back to back issue and decided to contact him about setting up yesterdays events.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [aarondavidson] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone have insight on March or May?
What about April?
(I like May)
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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Could have the bike finish in Houston and have 2500 triathletes run around Rice in circle. That way, it would be just like any other day around Rice (except that for once everyone would go in the same direction).
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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I drove through the Woodlands once. If this goes forward, I think they may have found a an IM tri venue that is flatter than IMFL!


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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10 west or north and there some nice rollers
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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The bike course can only go maybe 20 or so miles inside the woodlands out and back 10 and 10, once you get out towards montgomery, richards or anderson it is rolling terrain, not bad but you will definetly feel some of those hills. There is a half iron distance race called Ironstar that takes place on Montgomery I have done that one and the bike course is rolling maybe 10 min slower than the Lonestar half as far as bike time. Ive heard some people saying that it might be even hillier than Longhron.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't the Galveston LoneStar IronMan in April? Seems strange to me that they would have a Woodlands Ironman so close in time and geographical distance to another long distance event.


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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As someone else mentioned only about the first 10-12 and last 10-12 miles will be in The Woodlands. The rest will be out in Montgomery and Grimes County with rolling terrain. Nothing leg shattering but should be enough to keep things somewhat honest.
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Could have the bike finish in Houston and have 2500 triathletes run around Rice in circle. That way, it would be just like any other day around Rice (except that for once everyone would go in the same direction).


Well there is some nice eye candy running around the campus!!!




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Could have the bike finish in Houston and have 2500 triathletes run around Rice in circle. That way, it would be just like any other day around Rice (except that for once everyone would go in the same direction).


Well there is some nice eye candy running around the campus!!!




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you must not have seen rice guys/girls...
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, and they've been repeatedly assured that it was completely random. He was just as likely to have gotten another slot this year as she was or anyone else.

While she only found out about it yesterday Ironman contacted him a few weeks ago in order to setup the logistics of the surprise announcement. He was very curious about the back to back issue. They way its been explained to him is that another firm is simply given a list of all of the lottery entrants. The list does not contain anything other than names (no states, interesting stories, etc.). Once the drawing takes place and the names are sent back to Ironman they then cull through the applications looking for interesting stories. It was at this point that Ironman picked up on the back to back issue and decided to contact him about setting up yesterdays events.


its as random as all the NBC executives getting Kona spots without qualifying and without even being in the lottery.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [swimfan] [ In reply to ]
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Two different pools of athletes. No one has ever suggested that the NBC or other sponsor slots are random. As has been pointed out repeatedly in other threads there are multiple ways of getting to Kona.

1. Qualifying slot
2. eBay auction slot
3. Lottery slot
4. Sponsor slot

I'm sure there are others I'm not remembering right now.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [excelmonkey] [ In reply to ]
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you must not have seen rice guys/girls...


Agreed. Went on a recruiting trip down there in 2000... nothing remotely head-turning.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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actually it wouldnt be flat here at all(the woodlands) rolling hills north/northwest from here. if they did it, would be very much like ironman louisville. i would hope it wouldnt be in may, it could get really hot,especially for people from colder climates...would be nice to rolll out of bed and do it...would def fill up fast with houston, dallas,san ant, and austin pretty close.

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Anyone have insight on March or May?
What about April?
(I like May)

I like March or April. May conflicts with grad school...at least in 2011.


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [off242] [ In reply to ]
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Please heed this warning....A MAY IM WILL BE A DEATH MARCH IN SOUTH TEXAS ..... Mar/April is ideal!
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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I had heard they are going to make an announcement at the CBI tri this year. I've heard April/May - who knows for sure though. If they do wait until CBI to announce (May 1), I think that is a little crappy, assuming IM St George registration opens on May 2 for 2011. I guess its just personal opinion, but I think people need a little more advance warning - or should get to know their options before slapping down nearly $600 for a race a year away.

Maybe they will announce at Lonestar instead.

I've heard from 2-3 different "sources" as well, so we'll see what actually happens in the next few weeks.

Lonestar goes back to the first weekend in April next year (2nd-3rd), and Easter is late (the 24th), so maybe they are aiming for the 3rd weekend? Who knows - maybe I'm kidding myself hoping they don't consider putting it in May. I guess the good thing is the bike course and run course (assuming they are anywhere in that area) should be fairly shaded.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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KW
After hearing about the IM St George course from Trent S. who previewed the course, afraid this flatlander will never darken the course. IF IM Woody happens it is going to be some fun in Houston for sure.
Wonder how that would effect Lone Star attendance however?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [C5Torch6sp] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure about Lonestar - would be great if they had the aquabike - IMAZ was 2 weeks after Lonestar in '08 and several of us used the aquabike as our last long-ish workout and it worked out great. I think with mdot coming in that the aquabike is no longer though (not 100% sure on that one though).

It only took one look at the St. George profile to see the 30 mile climb on the bike you do twice to know I'd never do it, but I'm talking about the rest of the US, who aren't quite as hill-challenged as we are in Houston! Montgomery county has plenty of "hills" for me.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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if past history holds true - once a new race opens it does not fill for months
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Pure speculation but the folks that organized Gateway to the Bay (Alcatraz qualifier) in Kemah, TX last weekend have said recently "ONE HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT FOR 2011 THAT WE WILL ANNOUNCE SEPARATELY SOON! STAY TUNED!"

Could this be the Ironman announcement?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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Forgive me for asking, but as a west coast guy I am not familiar with "The Woodlands". Is that suburb of Houston (and what is with "The" in front of the town name)? I thought air quality and traffic were sketchy there?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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Its on the far northern end of Houston metro. A bit of an high tech burb from what i have seen. Lots of trees , hence the name.

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It is a large, masterplanned community north of Houston on 45:
http://www.thewoodlands.com/

Just north of there, you get into the Sam Houston national forest, and I'd consider The Woodlands pretty clean, and pretty different from Houston proper.

I do think it would be a great place for an event like this - spectators certainly wouldn't be bored during the day, and there are plenty of activities for everyone before/during/after the race.

There is a huge outdoor concert venue - The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavillion, a mall, the newer Market Street shopping/eating area, many hotels, and some great multi-use pathways.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [writhe] [ In reply to ]
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That would be a surprise if they were the RD's. They did a pretty good job with the Kemah race but they are relatively new at the whole RD thing. I don't see Ironman giving it to someone so new to the game.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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As an innerlooper, Kathleen did a pretty good job describing my home.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Might be that its in reference to Herman Memorial being the named sponsor. There name was on the Kemah race and the Texas 70.3 and seems to be getting linked to this IM?

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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If I remember correctly the "101' event swim was to happen in a canal near the Woodlands Mall. I cannot imagine having ~2000 people swimming in that even with a individual start as opposed to the mass start that WTC prefers.

There is lake near by:




but I am not really familiar with it. Isn't it very shallow?

There is also Lake Conroe about 15 minutes North where the Ironstar triathlon held.



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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I think maybe it would be more of the fact they'd have to move their race...at least possibly.

If Lonestar gets the first weekend of April and this IM is presumably the end of April/First of May, then where would Gateway go?

I don't think they are the race directors either, but all of this is just speculation at this point!

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Only the last half mile or so will be swum in the canal. The rest of the swim will be out in the lake. The canal is plenty deep. It will NOT be at Lake Conroe.
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That would be a surprise if they were the RD's. They did a pretty good job with the Kemah race but they are relatively new at the whole RD thing. I don't see Ironman giving it to someone so new to the game.

First, super excited if this rumor turns out to be true.

Second, no way that Onurleft would be the RD. They are just too new and too small to handle something on the magnitude of an official IM race. This isn't a knock against them as they have done a great job putting on the two tri events they have done (I think they have only done Bridgeland 2009 and Gateway 2010 so far). I would think that IM would want a more experienced RD putting on the race, especially a brand new race.

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Montgomery county has plenty of "hills" for me.
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Kathleen amen to the above.
The Ironstar course is plenty enough.
Will be fun to see how this rumor mill grinds out .

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Any word of an announcement this weekend at Texas 70.3?

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Any word of an announcement this weekend at Texas 70.3?

Rumors I have heard:

- Memorial Hermann will be sponsoring the new Ironman race
- Memorial Hermann recently entered into a partnership with the Woodlands Township (not a rumor but fact)
- It will be either announced at this weekend's 70.3 or May 1st at the CB&I (sprint race hosted by the Woodlands Township with sponsorship $ from Memorial Hermann).

I think announcing it at the 70.3 this weekend makes the most sense. Bigger crowd, IM and Memorial Hermann branded event, etc. The Woodlands likes to do things their own way as well so it could be May 1.

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It will be either announced at this weekend's 70.3 or May 1st at the CB&I (sprint race hosted by the Woodlands Township with sponsorship $ from Memorial Hermann).


Nope. Mid-May.
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Well since it wasnt announced @ the 70.3 this weekend ---Im guessing we'll hear @ CB&I. My question is how do they typically handle entry into an inagural event ? Get in line...or online ? I will tell you that a Mid May IM could be a scorcher ! Regardless of the date I am pumped ...20mins to the start to my casa !
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cash26.2] [ In reply to ]
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past few years any brand new IM has not sold out for months
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbuser] [ In reply to ]
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Any new news? (after St George)
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Any more news of when we could get an announcement?

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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How are you getting around the political nightmare caused by the local municipalities' opposition to holding a major race in this venue, which, in part, doomed the 101 series?

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How are you getting around the political nightmare caused by the local municipalities' opposition to holding a major race in this venue, which, in part, doomed the 101 series?

I would assume $$$ eases a lot of problems and trepidations.

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Apart from the fact the Lake Conroe area has only one large (and expensive) hotel, I would much rather see an IM event run on two loops of the Ironstar course. That course would be pretty interesting in May.

But then they couldn't use the Ironman Woody moniker. Instant classic.
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How are you getting around the political nightmare caused by the local municipalities' opposition to holding a major race in this venue, which, in part, doomed the 101 series?


I would assume $$$ eases a lot of problems and trepidations.




It did not work a couple years ago, depite quite a bit of money being thrown at it. My aunt and uncle live in The Woodlands and tried to advocate for the 101 race. They said it was an insane nightmare working with the local municipalities. I am just curious about what has changed in the last 2 years.

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WoodlandsTXTri ---- soon?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone heard any more news on the Ironman Woodlands announcement? Some were saying it may happen this weekend.
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It's the rumor that won't die. I've seen claims elsewhere that an announcement will come on Sunday.

Of course, there were rumors that there was going to be an announcement 3 weeks ago, as well.

I'll probably do it if it happens, but an IM in May could easily see high temps of 90 degrees. Historical daily high for mid-May is 86-87 with records of 95-96.
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2 years ago the Woodlands was governed by the many HOA's. This year the Woodlands formed a central Township government and elected their first officials in preparation for full incorporation in 2012. The difference is huge. Rather than dealing with dozens of personalities, open palms and attitudes the organizers are dealing with one or two people who are actually in charge. Also the organizers have the ear and support of some very high ranking and influential members of the new township who happen to run and bike a little. The county commissioner (avid cyclist and advocate) is on board. There are problems as there always will be, but none that can't be overcome with $$$ and lots of it, which is something that Memorial Herman and Mdot have in spades but 101 did not. I'm not saying it's a definite thing, but it's certainly not an impossibility.

And for everyone who thinks it'll be a flat ride, go ahead and keep thinking that.
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Any news on IM Woodlands? This is starting to feel like watching Gilligan's Island.
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So...how hilly Hookem (horns)?
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who cares? the woodlands is 100% flat, boring pre planned suburbs.

might as well do an ironman on a treadmill and a trainer. will have more soul.



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Hey Jack ...you forget, humidity builds character ! You might find more hills than you think ...the course (allegely) routes out of the woodlands into what we flatlanders call hills!
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Course has been approved by TXDot. It includes two railroad crossings so that should give locals an idea of the bike route.

Apparently the one remaining issues is the proposed race hotel. Seems like the Woodlands Marriott Woodlands is booked full each weekend for large scale events.

Latest word is that the announcement has been pushed to June (not sure yet when in June). Everyone is still onboard with the case so alternate dates are being considered.
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nothing can be more boring and awful than the Longhorn 70.3 course.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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Crud! I was hoping for May.
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Apparently the one remaining issues is the proposed race hotel. Seems like the Woodlands Marriott Woodlands is booked full each weekend for large scale events.

I stayed at a fairly nice Motel 6 when I saw The Cure in The Woodlands back in 1992. Have you checked with them? Or anyone else?

Keep us posted.


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [off242] [ In reply to ]
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Motel 6 eh? Did they leave the light on?
Anyway...are there any other hotels capable?
Heck, erect some big tents and have at it!
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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An October --November race ?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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Its not great but what about the woodlands country club? They have a huge area for the expo.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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The weekly ironman woodlands bump.

Any updates?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbluke] [ In reply to ]
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My friends brothers sisters cousin told my dog that we will have an announcement by June....maybe July but probably by September. Great "breaking news" that you don't actually have ANY information on....
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [maverick04] [ In reply to ]
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Crap. Saw the thread was bumped back to the top and thought something was announced.

Oh well. Starting to feel like Cousin Eddie's kids at Christmas
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [shaymike2014] [ In reply to ]
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I've nothing to report on this event. Anyone else?


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [shaymike2014] [ In reply to ]
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Starting to feel like Cousin Eddie's kids at Christmas.
Ha!
Me too.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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I'll give it the "weekly Woodlands" bump.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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Latest that I'm hearing is to expect an announcement any day now. Race date of Memorial Day weekend. Gonna be a hot one if true.
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of all the cool places to do an IM that could really use an IM.....WHY, WHY, WHY in the hell would anybody put one in the woodlands. Holy bad idea batman.....


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Race date of Memorial Day weekend. Gonna be a hot one if true.


That's cruel and unusual punishment to have a IM in Houston that time of year.

I hope they'll have plenty of ambulances and life flights at the ready.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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What would be the difference between that and Kentucky in August?
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  • Houston, TX on average is warmer than Louisville, KY by 14F.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [cbluke] [ In reply to ]
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Woodlands, Tx and Louisville both avg mid-80's and humid given their expected race time of year (end of May vs end of Aug).

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [DFWTri] [ In reply to ]
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houston is waaaay warmer than loueeville between may-september. no comparison, plus the sun is stronger...the bike courses would be identical, although i would think lilville is more scenic,diff trees,etc...
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What would be the difference between that and Kentucky in August?

Good point. Normal high/low for May 29 (Saturday before Memorial Day this year) in Houston is 88/70. Normal high/low for Louisville for August 29 (IM Lou race day) is 84/66.

It must be said that the high temps on the Saturday before Memorial Day in Houston the last five years has been:
2010 - 96
2009 - 94
2008 - 93
2007 - 78 (rained like hell, record rain fall for that date in Houston history and why it was "cool")
2006 - 92

You can pretty much bank on low-90's and brutal humidity around Memorial Day.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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I heard in mid-May that an announcement was to occur next week.

If so, I'll be back in town for it and will begin making phone calls Monday morning.

I was told by WTC PR personnel - when a rumor was going around about an announcement at the 70.3 in Galveston - that if there was an announcement by WTC, it would be done by press release.

Not sure what the local folks would have planned. That's what I'll be calling around for on Monday to see if anything is developing.
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Perfect weekend (for me). Hope this pans out!
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any idea what would be the host hotel? maybe we could get a jump on it and make reservations before the announcement at a cheaper rate?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WoodlandsTXTri] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously? Memorial Day? Seriously?

Do they want us to all die? Let's try mid-April at the latest....or October/November.

Ugh. This is upsetting if it is true...about as upsetting as the Houston Marathon lottery.

People died at Lonestar this year and it was "only" in the upper 80s and a half.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [IRONwolf] [ In reply to ]
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I think the Woodlands actually has the potential to be a nice place for one...just not any time between about May 1 and September 30...that makes it an awful, awful idea.

And unfortunately it seems sometimes the places where we'd most like to see one, or we think would be just awesome, are the places where it never would/could happen. I've mentioned Austin several times, and there is apparently no way the city would ever shut down for that long...and the Longhorn course doesn't count...it is in the middle of a bunch of cowfields and you can see the Austin skyline far in the distance if you are at the top of a hill.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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Location is good, the date sucks...WTF! We have IMSG in May, CDA in June, why not put Woodlands in late March or Early April? Make it the first race of the year...or move it to October?

I was raised in Houston, live in the Nashville area now close to Lou...Houston is not just warmer but much more humid. Not interested if this is the date.
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My thought just now was "explain to me why in the world you'd have a race in UTAH earlier in the year than in Houston!!"

People had a really, really hard time at CapTex this year (Austin's big sprint/olympic race on Memorial Day) - were dropping like flies. Austin can sometimes be a 1-2 degrees hotter, but Houston makes up for it with its humidity...so in my eyes they are very comparable...i.e. if that olympic was dicey, having an ironman in that kind of weather is just pure genius.

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So much for the Galveston 70.3


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Vince@HED] [ In reply to ]
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Oh if this thing really does come in for Memorial Day weekend, Lonestar, ahem, "Ironman Texas 70.3" will be about 8 weeks earlier - it is going back to the first weekend in April. The timing would work out well for those wanting a half while training for the full.

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People had a really, really hard time at CapTex this year (Austin's big sprint/olympic race on Memorial Day) - were dropping like flies. Austin can sometimes be a 1-2 degrees hotter, but Houston makes up for it with its humidity...so in my eyes they are very comparable...i.e. if that olympic was dicey, having an ironman in that kind of weather is just pure genius.

I heard CapTex was rough. I haven't spoken to one person who thinks it's a good idea to have an Ironman in Houston at the very end of May. Temps have been in the mid-90's the last couple of years.

Not that it will stop me from registering since there is no way I'm going to pass up an Ironman that is 25 miles from my house. Until common sense kicks in, I guess I'm saying, "See you in the med tent!"

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I wish they would swap dates. Much rather do a full in early April and the half in late May.

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yeah an ironman here in texas in may is hot even for local texans used to heat. imagine coming here from lets say the northeast. if they have it here that weekend, i put money up that someone dies of heat stroke(seriously.)

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Mac, I cover running/multisports for the daily newspaper in Montgomery County, the Conroe Courier, as well as Runner Triathlete News and Inside Texas Running.

My guess is that the host hotel would be the Marriott Waterway, but it only has 347 rooms.

I have a source within another property within Montgomery County that says there are two large blocks of rooms being held for the Memorial Day Weekend, which they can't access.
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Texas state law requires meeting notices to be posted 72 hours in advance.

The Woodlands Township posted on Friday, June 11 an agenda of their Board of Director's Workshop for Thursday, June 17. The Workshop will determine which items are placed on the Regular Agenda for its monthly meeting on Wednesday, June 23.

Item # 9 of the following document states "Receive and consider a major event coming to The Woodlands;" --

http://www.thewoodlandstownship-tx.gov/...gendaSEALED61710.pdf

The supporting documents for this session on Thursday, June 17 are in the following document:

http://www.thewoodlandstownship-tx.gov/.../06.11.10Binder1.pdf

If you go to pages 107-108, you will have confirmation that Memorial Hermann approached The Woodlands Township and The Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau about producing an Ironman.

I plan on being in attendance at the June 17th session.

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If you go to pages 107-108, you will have confirmation that Memorial Hermann approached The Woodlands Township and The Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau about producing an Ironman.

A little cynical here, but...

So is Memorial Hermann running a little low on cash? Perhaps they figure this is an excellent way to get a boost in hospital revenue:

1) sponsor a 8-14 hour sporting event at the beginning of the Texas Hell Period
2) watch the participants drop like flies
3) take them to the nearest Memorial Hermann hospital and collect from insurance companies

I need to open up a tire store and sponsor a race on thumbtack and nail covered track!
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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Jon:

keep us posted. will be interesting to see what happens. I think a late May date is a terrible idea.
i would rather see mid-november personally. i would not like the early April date as I hate to train long during the winter.... but hey, its not my decision and I don't have to race it!
an IM in this area would be nice but I hope they give thought to the time of year.

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If you go to pages 107-108, you will have confirmation that Memorial Hermann approached The Woodlands Township and The Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau about producing an Ironman.

A little cynical here, but...

So is Memorial Hermann running a little low on cash? Perhaps they figure this is an excellent way to get a boost in hospital revenue:

1) sponsor a 8-14 hour sporting event at the beginning of the Texas Hell Period
2) watch the participants drop like flies
3) take them to the nearest Memorial Hermann hospital and collect from insurance companies

I need to open up a tire store and sponsor a race on thumbtack and nail covered track!

They could always make the run loop around the Memorial Hermann hospital in The Woodlands and save on ambulance costs. They could just have a bunch of stretchers waiting and just wheel us in as we drop.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jana] [ In reply to ]
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Jana:
No flying and a short drive for an IM. How nice would that be?
See you tomorrow.
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So is Memorial Hermann running a little low on cash? Perhaps they figure this is an excellent way to get a boost in hospital revenue:

1) sponsor a 8-14 hour sporting event at the beginning of the Texas Hell Period
2) watch the participants drop like flies
3) take them to the nearest Memorial Hermann hospital and collect from insurance companies

I like the way you think. Still, it's doubtful that a Memorial Day IM so close to home will keep me away. :)


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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Jon - If you read down the meeting materials it basically says that the Marriot will be the race hotel.

Also, why are so many people bellyaching about it being hot and humid. Sure it will be but it's not like it's a crisp cool day at Kentucky, China, Wisconsin (some years), CDA (some years), and certainly not Kona. Suck it up. It's not supposed to be easy.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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i actually like the heat,wind,hills,etc...but texas is hotter than kona...it'll be interesting how fast it sells out, my guess is 1 week tops..

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [mr. hanky] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately I have not been fortunate enough to experience Kona. Maybe the Houston heat and humidity will scare everybody away. That might be my only chance to get a slot.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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thats what were thinking for my wife. shes in the 30-34, theres usually only 2-3 slots and she is usually 4-7...nothing is like training thru these summers, but it does make a difference in a race like kona. i actually got cold at the swim start(deep water start)

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN, I did a little research on the historical temps the past five years for the Sunday before Memorial Day in The Woodlands.

5/30/2010 - High of 91, low of 71
5/24/2009 - High of 80, low of 66
5/25/2008 - High of 93, low of 78
5/27/2007 - High of 84, low of 69
5/28/2006 - High of 84, low of 77

Two of the last three, though, makes it look like a trend.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like the name of the race will probably be Ironman Texas.

ironmantexas.com has been registered to WTC. ironmanwoodlands.com or ironmanthewoodlands are still free domains. A google search of ironmantexas.com shows that it was a fan site for Iron Man (the comic book character). Looks like WTC bought the domain a few months ago.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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I remember reading a lot about WBGT after the Chicago Marathon fiasco in 2007 and have seen it mentioned in Houston Marathon info and a few others places. This is the index the American College of Sports Medicine uses to determine whether cancellation would be necessary due to weather.

I'm not nearly scientific enough to know for sure if this is right, but someone let me know if it sounds close....

Per the table here (http://www.bom.gov.au/...t_stress/#conversion), assuming a temperature of 90f (32c), with relative humidity of 80%, the WBGT is equivalent to 37c, which taking it back to fahrenheit, you get 98.6f (this conversion from humidity/heat in celcious to WBGT in f is where I'm not 100% sure I know what I'm doing....)

The ACSM table of WBGT levels is here, from the Austin Marathon page (under the race cancellation/alteration tab): http://www.youraustinmarathon.com/medical.

Per that table, events with WBGT over 82F are recommended to be canceled, and 73-82F should be shortened/altered.

I may be wrong in my calculations to get to what the WBGT would be for a day with 90F temps and 80% humidity, but I do not think I'm too far off.

I realize there are probably several long endurance events regularly held with the WBGT far north of the "cancellation limit" set by the ACSM, but I guess it is just a matter of how far is too far...and I guess no one will know that until they try.

The other issue is even the locals who can train in the weather will be tapering for however long during May, and that is usually when the temps skyrocket (i.e. livable at the beginning of may and awful by the end).

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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A friend and I talked about the ironmantexas.com domain a while back, but since Lonestar is now "Ironman Texas 70.3", I could just as easily think it had something to do with that. Granted their website is ironmanlonestar.com - even though they renamed the event ironman texas 70.3 - guess my point is basically who knows what that means - they haven't exactly been consistent in the past!

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May is the toughest time to race in Texas as the daily temperatures are usually sky rocketing yet no one has been able to do any heat acclimatization in yet. CapTex tri is notoriously a tough race due to this reason as people are just not physically ready to race in 85-90 degree temperatures. IMO March/April and October/November are the only reasonable months you could put on a ironman in the Houston Texas area. Else you are going to have IM Korea and IM China like conditions. We all know how much those races are loved.
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Here's what we know from today's Board of Director's Workship in The Woodlands Township:

+ The proposed event name will be the Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas.

+ The proposed date will be Saturday, May 21, 2011.

+ I do not have any complete details yet on the courses; however, they will be part of the complete presentation to the Board meeting on Wednesday, June 23, at 6 p.m.

+ Three-time Ironman TJ Fry (2006 Kona) spoke during the Public Comment period in support of the event.

+ Nick Wolda of The Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau made the presentation to the Board.

+ Questioning from the Board seemed light, but the biggest question is how the residents will respond in the next six days to the potential hassles from road closures. (Two Directors - Bruce Tough and Nelda Luce Blair - seemed to be the most enthusiastic about the opportunity and what it would mean for The Woodlands.)

+ Four-time Ironman (98 and 99 Kona) Josh Urban, Chief Operating Officer of Memorial Hermann - The Woodlands, and Linda Nelson from MH-TW were in attendance.

+ The presenters (Wolda and attorney Bret Strong) indicated that an October date was originally discussed, but since that would be too close to Kona folks involved in the negotiations from The Woodlands Township felt like they couldn't get the top professional athletes, which has led to the May date.

Hope to have a complete story on Runner Triathlete News' website later today or tomorrow and in the Conroe Courier tomorrow.

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Someone died at the Hermann Memorial this year?
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+ The presenters (Wolda and attorney Bret Strong) indicated that an October date was originally discussed, but since that would be too close to Kona folks involved in the negotiations from The Woodlands Township felt like they couldn't get the top professional athletes, which has led to the May date.


No talk of March or April? October is one month out of the year...I understand people not coming then because of Kona...but that also hasn't stopped IMFL. I still do not really understand choosing something that late in the spring/early summer - I assume it ultimately comes down to money, etc, and not the actual best interests of the athletes.

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Okay, thinking a little more about this...

The training for a May 21 race in Texas would actually be about as close to perfect as you can get. The first few rides may be a bit cold in Jan/Feb, but we won't ever really get that hot training...at least I hope not...

May 21 does sound better than May 29 or 30 or whenever Memorial Day is - only a week difference, but for some reason sounds not nearly as hot :-)

Average high for that day is 85, average low is 65. Record high is 95 set in 2005.

Past Few Years:
2010: 91/75
2009: 88/60
2008: 91/71
hmmm....not seeing where that average of 85 is coming from yet!!
2007: 82/63
oh...apparently it was a cool May for all of 2007 - that year was the outlier for the later dates in May as well
2006: 89/63

So averages for the last 5 years are 88.2/66.4. Take out 2007 and your average high for the day is 90.

Average humidity for that time period is 70% (averaging the average humidity for the day).

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We need some historical analysis of Lake Woodlands water temps on May 21st. I know the CB&I race the first weekend in May is usually wetsuit legal but is very close. I would assume three weeks later would make water temps too high?!?

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Ooooh - didn't even think about that. Even if the water was wetsuit legal, the air wouldn't be! (i.e. you'd melt as soon as you tried to get into a wetsuit and stood around for 5 minutes). I'm pretty certain the water would be way above wetsuit legal, especially considering I think the limit is going down to 76 for 2011 races (I think I remember that...don't remember if it was WTC or USAT specific, but either way I think it would apply to this race).

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I would love to do the race...but no way for late May. I am a native Texas (now live in TN), born in Houston. We all deal with heat, I just don't understand why on purpose you would place the race during this time? It should be in early April. There are no IMs in April. This race could kick off the season just like IMAZ in April used too...funny, didn't they eventually move that race...because of weather?
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I agree 100% - why make something okay when you could make it great?

I just went back to look at the Cozumel weather from last year - I heard stories about how awful it was...and it was nothing close to the weather IMTX will have. I also looked at Gulf Coast weather - that one has been rough every time I've done it...highs there still usually in the low 80s..similar humidity, but not as high of temps.

I don't think I can pass up an event like this in my backyard, but I have a feeling I will be hating life in a whole new way around 4pm next May 21. You will be the smart one sitting in some nice AC somewhere!

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I've been following this thread as a guest for a while now, mainly because I was interested in the latest news related to the potential of The Woodlands hosting an Ironman. I finally joined this forum today just to be able to respond to this particular thread and all of those who are complaining about it. This is an Ironman. This is not something where unless every single condition is absolutely perfect that you gripe and complain and avoid the race. It is what it is. You accept the conditions as they are on that particular day and then you do it. Period. I have been a distance runner most of my life, and have run the Houston Marathon in January ten times with temperatures ranging from freezing to nearly 90+ degrees. Thus, no temperatures are predictable, but I didn't say in any of those years that unless the temperatures were in an exact range and the date was an exact date that I wasn't going to do it. I got into triathlons 2 years ago and have since done multiple half-Ironmans where the conditions were totally brutal in more than a couple of them, but I did the best I could do on those days and just raced smart. My goal now is to do a full Ironman in 2011. If this race is confirmed I will enter it immediately and I will train and prepare myself for whatever conditions present themselves. If it's 100+ degrees on that day, then I'll plan accordingly and if I have to slow down on the swim and bike and then walk the entire 26.2 miles, I'll do it. I know for certain that there have been other Ironman events around the world where the conditions have been incredibly hot, including Kona. If you had an opportunity to do Kona, would you refuse because it's going to be hot and windy? No, you'd enter it in a heartbeat and you wouldn't belly-ache about what it's going to be. This is Houston. It doesn't matter what date they pick, it could potentially be a very hot day. For all of those touting March, April, October or November, you'd better go back and look at historical temperatures on certain days there as well. If you're going to continue to complain, then keep negative comments to yourself and stop pulling everyone around you down. Be an Ironman.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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I understand what you are saying. However, would you not raise an eyebrow if the Houston Marathon Committee all of a sudden decided to move its race to May? Would you not think that maybe there would be a better time for it?

Yes, we never know what kind of weather we are going to get on race day, especially in Texas. No, we aren't going to just say "no thanks" the day before a race because the weather isn't perfect. BUT, having a race of this nature on a day where hitting 90 is not quite as likely makes way more sense than having it on a day where it is almost inevitable.

Starting a marathon somewhere between 2 and 4pm on any afternoon after about the end of April will be rough - how rough depends on the day. But compare that to the thought of starting one at that time in March or early April, and chances are those days would be much more pleasant, not to mention safe.

As far as "keep your negative comments to yourself - well, this is slowtwitch, and my comments would be considered positive compared to half the stuff that is posted here. I'd tell you to go somewhere else where they may be saying nice positive things about an Ironman in Texas in May if you don't want to read the negative stuff, but so far I've yet to find that place.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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Kathleen, your comments make perfect sense. I appreciate your input. All I'm saying is that it is what it is. I've read your comments throughout this thread, they are logical. I'm talking about the people who seek out any and everything that is negative. I'm sure that if I were to take the time and follow the comments by these people on other threads, they'd be negative about something on them as well.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.ultimatewoodlands.com/...-triathlon-woodlands

Here is an article from todays meeting.

Heat and long distance sucks, but 25 miles from my house is good.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with myimtwocents. I grew up in LJ and went to UH. Been gone for a few years. But, I raced IM-Louisville two years ago. We're talking ungodly humidity and I remember running by a bank sign that read 105. Not sure Houston in May is any worse than Louisville in August. Now, no way in HELL would I race an IM in Houston in July or August, but prolly would do May. Just sayin'.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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There's a pretty darn good chance the route will at some point be just a few blocks from my house. There's no way I'm missing this. I've got my credit card at the ready for when the open up registration.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [tri-hog] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.ultimatewoodlands.com/...-triathlon-woodlands

Here is an article from todays meeting.

Heat and long distance sucks, but 25 miles from my house is good.


Couple of things about that article.

The Woodlands race will not be the first Ironman distance race in Texas.They used to have one at Boerne City Lake in the Texas Hill Country near San Antonio.It didn't have a pretty M-Dot in it's logo so it was canned due to lack of inerest.

The $100,000 donation to local charities is the same amount that they gave to the oil spill disaster.Must be some serious disaster happening in the Woodlands or perhaps the generous donation to the "Gulf situation" wasn't as generous as people would have us believe.

After reducung the field in Aussie Ironmans,reducing the qualifying spots in Oz and not supporting Ironman Malaysia they open a new Ironman in the US!Now it is their business and I don't have a problem with that but please lets not kid ourselves anymore about Ironman Hawaii being a bit of a joke when it comes to being a true World Championships for the age groupers.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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Very excited that this looks like it will happen. The only question is when is sign up and will it fill up in only a few hours?


With regard to heat, I agree with you. There is not much you can do about it. I seem to remember the mercury tickling the high 90's the last time I did Buffallo Springs years ago.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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Holy crap! They dusted off TJ Fry? That dude was awesome, and made our WCC training rides back in the day so much better.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Ultra-tri-guy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I did the True Texan that year. Holy-freakin'-smokes, we had a massive gully-washer around 4am that race morning. It washed out the back half of the bike course. So, we rode to the special needs and turned around and retraced our steps. What almost EVERY athlete missed was at the pre-race meeting they told us, because of road conditions and safety, bike special needs would be well past half way. It was at mile 64. That damn bike leg was 128 miles! The run was absolutely brutal. We ran to the top of a plateau and back twice. Really really fun race, though. Too bad they couldn't keep it going.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Jeff P.] [ In reply to ]
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I think the only reason people are suggesting different dates is because it is in the "planning" stages at the moment and the hopes are that organizers may read the comments. Of course once the date is finalized, then sure people will have to accept it and the weather will just become part of the character of this race.

I have not done an IM yet, so this may be a well known question but are these races usually capped at 2500 people? I'd always thought there were more spots than that but I can understand why they sell out so fast if that is the case.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jlew] [ In reply to ]
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Can Lake Woodlands really fit a 2000+ swim? Looking at google streetview it seems very small, and knowing Texas lakes you wont even be able to see your hand in front of you. From what i know of that area the run is likely to provide lots of cover from the trees if they pick the right roads.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jlew] [ In reply to ]
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At the Workshop yesterday, it was clear that the date will be Saturday, May 21, 2011.

This was Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau's Nick Wolda's reply to Director Ed Robb at yesterday's Workshop:

"CB&I is always the first Saturday in May. This will be the third Saturday in May. The date was very heavily discussed The World Championship is in Kona in October. There was a request to have this take place in October. But because we want this to be a world class event, moving it to May brings professionals that will try to qualify. If you get it too close to the World Championships, you have some issues with the quality of athletes."

On an earlier post about the $100,000 donation, I believe that it is a standard item in their "Host Value Sponsorship Agreement". This 15-page document was referenced in yesterday's Workshop for the Board of Directors. Copies, of course, weren't made available, but at some point in time, I would suspect that it would become a document that will become a public record.

And I'm certain that this is what has been heavily negotiated by Bret Strong on the Township's behalf.

The following PDF file contains the negotiated "Host Value Sponsorship Agreement" for the deal WTC made with St. George Area Convention & Visitors Bureau:

http://www.ivins.com/...an%20Competition.pdf

There were things that I heard yesterday in the Workshop - and compared it to this document - and I've come away with the belief that The Woodlands team has negotiated themselves a comparitively good deal.

The general bike and run courses are to be presented Wednesday evening, but John Powers with The Woodlands Township explained to me, of course, that the bike course, especially, could have many minor changes based on professional traffic control plans that will be done.

Jon Walk
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder what this will do to the CB&I and Gateway to the Bay races. The 2011 Texas 70.3 moved to the same weekend the Gateway was to be run (second weekend in April). The Gateway race date changed to April 30th, 2011 - potentially conflicting with CB&I. Now the Gateway race has a TBD date and nothing has been mentioned of CB&I. A first Saturday in May date for CB&I is later this year (May 7th).

It is what it is but it looks like the two WTC events in the Houston area are going to muddy the logistical waters for the local races in April and May.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [GMAN 19030] [ In reply to ]
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There was specific questioning from Directors at Wednesday morning's session about CB&I. It was reiterated by Nick Wolda (or Bret Strong) in the presentation that CB&I would be held on Saturday, May 7 and that Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas would be held on Saturday, May 21.

600 of the 1,050 competitors for CB&I this year were from Montgomery County towns or Spring. Additionally, Parks and Recreation stated that they had upwards of 450 first-timers at CB&I.

I haven't compared lists to see how many did Gateway and CB&I, which were three weeks apart, but it would be likely that there would be some impact to both races. However, the growth in the sport and the growth in the state of Texas, specifically, may not impact the races in numbers, but perhaps the quality of the top competitors.

I run, but I don't compete in triathlons (something about the swim). However, I've had it explained to me recently by local triathletes that they may be still inclined to do a sprint two weeks before an IM.

Jon Walk
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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My favorite line in the SG agreement is "The terms and conditions of this Agreement shall be kept confidential except to the extent disclosures are necessary in order to effectuate this Agreement or are required by law."

WTC cannot be please that this document is out. Regardless, I didn't read anything earth shaking HOWEVER I find St. George's restriction to triathlons no longer than 32 miles to be BS.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Alex M] [ In reply to ]
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And, yes, the WTC should respect me for doing my homework to get a story straight - and get all of the facts right. (Including showing up at the Expo in Boise last Friday at the 70.3 (while on vacation) to ask questions about new information - more reputable than the April information that caused me to call WTC in Florida before the Galveston event - that I had been given in the last month about IM Texas.)

For the record, WTC's public relations manager that I've been working with is extremely professional (which didn't surprise me one bit) and has been as helpful as she is able to be.

I'm sure that the SGCVB is like the TWCVB in that those documents are likely to be subject to open records requests unless they seek an opinion from the Attorney General (at least here in Texas that is how it works) on why they shouldn't be released to the public.

Jon Walk
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Alex M] [ In reply to ]
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"WTC cannot be please that this document is out. Regardless, I didn't read anything earth shaking HOWEVER I find St. George's restriction to triathlons no longer than 32 miles to be BS."

So that means, no Olympic distance races can be held in the area unless produced by WTC??
1.5k Swim + 40k Bike + 10k Run = 51.5k = 32 miles

If that is the case, then yeah BS...
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [DFWTri] [ In reply to ]
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They should reconsider the location. It should be in Galveston. More Hotel rooms, less homeowner traffic, less stagnet air, possibily better water and a lot more to do before and after the race. I will do it know matter where, but Texas is a big State and the Woodlands is not a good choice.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Iron2277] [ In reply to ]
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...but no refuge from that hot Texas sun. I'm willing to bet that most of the run will be shaded in the Woodlands
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Iron2277] [ In reply to ]
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I agree that the Woodlands might not be the best choice in this large state, but to me it's certainly a better choice than Galveston. Swim venues might be limited, but for the bulk of the race, the area around The Woodlands and Conroe offers much better scenery, shade and protection from wind. Still not much elevation change, but it's better than Galveston. It's also right next to a huge airport with plenty of hotels and restaurants.

As much as I'll enjoy having this in my backyard, I still would have preferred the Hill Country...Fredricksburg, Marble Falls, Boerne, New Braunfels....



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [AMT04] [ In reply to ]
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The success of Ironman Florida without being next to a major airport I think shows us that is not an issue. With Hobby and IAH people can get here. I think Galveston with its wind, saltwater and lack of shade makes for a tougher event. I like Austin also . Running in the shade? Come on now! No doubt it will fill up over night no matter where it is. But my vote would be to consider making the race as difficult as possible and to make us all pay in sweat for the convenience of having it in our own backyard. Can't wait!!
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [AMT04] [ In reply to ]
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What's the likely terrain for the bike course? I understand it's a wild guess.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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What's the likely terrain for the bike course? I understand it's a wild guess.

Getting out of The Woodlands (about 10 miles) will be dead flat (same for the final 10 miles or so). After that expect small rollers most of the way. Nothing big at all. And yes I can say that without having seen a bike map. I've ridden just about every road around here and it doesn't matter where they go it will be small rollers. Leading speculation is that the route will make is way to and through the Sam Houston National Forest. A nice route that we ride all the time. A small local non-branded half ironman is held out there in the Fall.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Link to the Ironstar Half Ironman held in the same area:

http://www.mapmyride.com/...montgomery/115089555


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Relative to a course like Couer d'Alene it'll be pretty flat, but not pancake flat. Sam Houston National Forest is a nice place to ride if the course goes that way.



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. I know that a definition of "small rollers" varies by where someone lives.
Is it safe to assume since it's Texas...that small rollers are really small?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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I'd say it's not much different than the IMKY bike course.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. I know that a definition of "small rollers" varies by where someone lives.
Is it safe to assume since it's Texas...that small rollers are really small?

yes
i mean, its not safe to assume that in all of texas, but it is safe to assume in the woodlands and anywhere within 100 miles of it =)



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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do you consider the Longhorn 1/2 small roller as well?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Yes. Hill country. Buffalo Springs tri has some good hills.
Anyone have any compairisons? Like what IM course?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [trinundrum] [ In reply to ]
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do you consider the Longhorn 1/2 small roller as well?

haven't seen it

but ironstar half is small rollers



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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Living in Austin for 6yrs, I consider Longhorn to be a harder bike course than Buffalo springs. Buffalo spring is hilly but there are a lot of flat areas. Longhorn is hilly all the time in my opinion


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Vince@HED] [ In reply to ]
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Vince, interesting how perspectives vary. I'm from Houston, which of course is flat as a pancake. I've done Longhorn the last 2 years and Buffalo Springs last June, and I thought BS was significantly harder.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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Lubbock isn't too bad. The majority of the course is pancake flat but where it goes up it goes up fast. Longhorn on the otherhand like someone else said is non-stop. Having said that my fastest half ironman split was at Longhorn.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Lubbock isn't too bad. The majority of the course is pancake flat but where it goes up it goes up fast.


Exactly, the pair of hills leading out of T1 and onto the bike course, and finishing on those same 2 hills coming in for T2, are right out of the gate as steep and tough as any I've ever climbed. There were people coming into T2 last year getting off their bikes and walking the last hundred yards up the final hill.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [myimtwocents] [ In reply to ]
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[There were people coming into T2 last year getting off their bikes and walking the last hundred yards up the final hill.[/quote]
Tell me about it. I had a guy flat in front of me at the bottom of that last hill. He jumped off his bike, threw it over his shoulder, and walked in bike shoes to the top faster than I did riding.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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thanks - is Bush the close airport to use?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Yes but either way you'll need a car so Hobby is fine if you can get a significantly better fare. For example, Southwest only flies to Hobby.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [KWTriGrl] [ In reply to ]
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I'd tell you to go somewhere else where they may be saying nice positive things about an Ironman in Texas in May if you don't want to read the negative stuff, but so far I've yet to find that place.


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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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good to know
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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i have done kona to in 2008. ironman in may wont be that bad these people need to suck it and do it if they are a real ironman. heat will not brother me bring it on. you can count me in if the race comes to the woodlands.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [texans930] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.runnertriathletenews.com/...432F9809B8D352493E2E

article from Runner triathlete news.

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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [WalkSports] [ In reply to ]
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Was the meeting last night, Wed, or is it tonight, Thu.

I am interested in what happened?
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [hblake] [ In reply to ]
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Can someone post the press release form the IM Texas website?
For some reason I can see it for like :01 sec then it's gone...either it's their site or my work computer.
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Re: Ironman Woodlands? Any Truth to This? [Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Here ya go:
Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas is Newest Event in Global Series
June 23, 2010 (Tampa, Fla.) Today, World Triathlon Corporation announces the addition of Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas to its worldwide Ironman Series. Taking place in The Woodlands, located just north of downtown Houston, the event is scheduled for May 21, 2011. The inaugural race will enhance the current Ironman calendar, which consists of 25 events around the world in locations such as Australia, China, Brazil and Germany. [/url]"Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas will be a phenomenal race," said Steve Meckfessel, Ironman's Chief Operations Officer. "The community's spirit, unique amenities and accessibility make The Woodlands a perfect destination for our athletes and spectators. We're truly excited about adding this event to the 2011 Ironman schedule."
An Ironman triathlon consists of a 2.4-mile swim, a 112-mile bike and a 26.2-mile run, and athletes must complete the three disciplines in succession within a 17-hour time frame. Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas will offer 65 coveted slots to the 2011 Ford Ironman World Championship, taking place on Oct. 8 in Kailua-Kona, Hawaii. Additionally, there will be a prize purse of $100,000 for distribution among the top professional male and female finishers.
"We are very pleased that World Triathlon Corporation has selected The Woodlands for its Ironman Texas event," said Bruce Tough, Chairman of the Board of The Woodlands Township. "This world-class event garners major international exposure and is great for the recognition of The Woodlands."
Nick Wolda, President of the Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau added, "The Woodlands and South Montgomery County are quickly becoming household names in competitive sports events, from the world-class brand of Ironman to NCAA, college and high school championships. With people from all over the world living and visiting The Woodlands, Ironman Texas is a perfect match for our international community."
Participants will begin with a swim in Lake Woodlands, entering the water at Northshore Park and finishing at Town Green Park, which will serve as the transition area. Athletes will then head out on the bike course that will take them west through The Woodlands before heading north to the scenic, rolling farmland of east Texas. The final portion of the race is a marathon course entirely within The Woodlands that concludes with a spectacular finish on Market Street.
"This event will showcase the huge variety of shopping, dining, entertainment and hospitality we have in The Woodlands, and will be very beneficial for the residents and businesses of The Woodlands," said Nelda Luce Blair, Chairman of the Board, The Woodlands Convention & Visitors Bureau. Memorial Hermann Healthcare System, the largest not-for-profit healthcare provider serving greater Houston, will serve as title sponsor of the event.
A longtime resident of The Woodlands, Steve Sanders, CEO of Memorial Hermann The Woodlands Hospital, welcomed the announcement for multiple reasons.
"My pride that The Woodlands was selected for this race is matched only by my pride in Memorial Hermann's outstanding sports medicine program. This is a win-win for our community and for Memorial Hermann."
As a major player in the athletic arena, the Memorial Hermann Sports Medicine Institute was actively looking to diversify its programs and outreach through a meaningful partnership. Therefore, aligning with the World Triathlon Corporation was ideal in that both organizations' core values revolve around improving the health of the communities they serve and working with athletes to achieve their highest potential.
"With one of the country's top institutes dedicated to sports medicine and human performance in the Texas Medical Center, more than two dozen sports medicine and rehabilitation locations across our service area, and an outstanding team of physicians associated with our sports medicine programs, Memorial Hermann is the leader in sports related medical services," said Walt Lowe, M.D., medical director, Memorial Hermann Sports Medicine Institute and Chairman of the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston. "We share Ironman's interest in helping athletes achieve their highest potential and look forward to working with them to do just that."
Registration for the event opens on Friday, June 25, at noon CDT at www.ironmantexas.com. Additional course details will be finalized in the coming weeks and will be available on the Memorial Hermann Ironman Texas Web site. For athlete inquiries, please contact texas@ironman.com. Media related inquires should be directed to Blair LaHaye at blair@ironman.com or Jessica Weidensall at jessica@ironman.com. All parties may be reached at 813.868.5940.
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