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What are those "running sticks" you say you can't run without? Tell us your secrets, oh Asian Triathlon Superstar......

Also, I saw your travel sponsor at IMAZ. I couldn't believe it... how does he walk on that leg, let alone run?? What you have done to help him is pretty great. It was amazing (and inspiring) to see him run.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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Alot of athletes do it, no secret. Snowsill is big on it, but don't go buying some ultra lightweight, dimmpled, specialist running sticks, get yaself an old broom handle and cut off 60 mm, that'll work just fine.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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Can I use popsicle sticks? Hmmmmm... iccceee cream.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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What is the supposed benefit of these sticks?
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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I seem to remember that people used them initially to prevent crossover (i.e. hands crossing
over the midline) but they're comfortable for the people after that so they stick (no pun
intended) with them.

-Jot
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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Because ya ain't got the funk. You're all rigid, like a breadstick.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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Just snap a couple of bits of grass at the start of your run, put them between your first finger and thumb, and try not to bend them, does the same thing and you don't look a knob running with sticks.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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I had a track coach that made me run holding potato chips between my thumb and forefinger...
Pretty sure I looked like a knob, but at least I got to eat a few chips at practice!
Anway I had to do it because I used to break my wrist when I was running and starting to tire...could be the same thing here?
Xover would make sense too.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [waterlogged] [ In reply to ]
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I had a track coach that made me run holding potato chips between my thumb and forefinger...
Pretty sure I looked like a knob, but at least I got to eat a few chips at practice!
Anway I had to do it because I used to break my wrist when I was running and starting to tire...could be the same thing here?
Xover would make sense too.

Ours would cut nerf balls in half and have us hold one in each hand without crushing it.

John



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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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i have use the stick a few times. But brett sutton make many athelte run with them not to be relax...your allowed to crush those stick if you want.... it s just a way to rise the awarness of where is your hand and what movement it does when running. He is trying to get athlete like me or jocelyn to have a more economical way to run. Some people do see improvement from this ......and start loving those stick a lot...!!

Jonathan Caron / Professional Coach / ironman champions / age group world champions
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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oh! someone told me I had my own thread on ST. I said "well yes the one where the trolls are trying to tell me I am not Asian and that I am not a superstar." I refuse to tell my secrets to such disrespectful [insert bad words here]. Ah but this is a different thread and you are a wise one who recognizes an Asian Triathlon Superstar...

(besides, how much more superstar can you get than having your very own thread on ST: rhetorical question.)

so these magic "running sticks". well they used to hold M&M minis. Now they hold emergency money (paper bills not coins) and sometimes sour gummy worms for long runs.

Coach just told me to get them one day and not to show up to track practice without them or I would be in big trouble. I didn't want to find out what big trouble meant. (Probably that I would be slow forever.) He tells some people to get them, not exactly sure how he differentiates, I guess people wasting energy with too much arm swing. I never had particularly bad crazy arm swing, or at least I don't think I did. ;) They remind you to relax your arms and not get too tense. And now it feels very funny to run without anything in my hands.

I am willing to sell you a pair of these magic Wongstar running sticks for the bargain price of $500 each, or $950/pair (WOW $50 savings!!!) with complete instructions on how to use them and personalized autographs on each. Don't believe what the imposters are saying--broomsticks, popsicle sticks, pieces of grass, Nerf balls and potato chips?!?! The Wongstar magic running sticks are much more lightweight and can hold emergency money and sour gummy worms! 50mins off your Ironman marathon time guaranteed or your money back*!!! Yes the Wongstar indeed went from a 4:20 marathon to a 3:27 this year using these very same running sticks.

Only very limited numbers and colors in stock, so PM me SOON and start getting faster today! I will even throw in **FREE!!** shipping and handling! :D

ah yes, that travel sponsor of mine, he is amazing!! This may be debated, but I believe he too is a superstar...

hope that helps,
Wongstar -- the ORIGINAL ASIAN TRIATHLON SUPERSTAR


*your money back only applies if I haven't spent it already.

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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No offense, but you really need to take a step back and get off that high horse of yours. I mean, come on, you can't make up your own nickname and how can you always continually refer to yourself as a superstar? Don't you even think enough is enough? I have yet to see other pro's (like even Kona winners) call themselves superstars.

Win a few real races with a pro field, or at least place top 3, then let someone else nickname you a superstar or wongstar or whatever they come up with. Right now, you're a great age grouper.

Best of luck, I do hope to see you reach the superstar status, but maybe try being a little humble right now until you're there.


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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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No offense, but you really need to take a step back and get off that high horse of yours. I mean, come on, you can't make up your own nickname and how can you always continually refer to yourself as a superstar? Don't you even think enough is enough? I have yet to see other pro's (like even Kona winners) call themselves superstars.

Win a few real races with a pro field, or at least place top 3, then let someone else nickname you a superstar or wongstar or whatever they come up with. Right now, you're a great age grouper.

Best of luck, I do hope to see you reach the superstar status, but maybe try being a little humble right now until you're there.


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Lightenup Francis. Don't be such a butt tard.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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I think you take yourself too seriously and cant reach the level of humour, sarcasm and playfulness that wongstar is showing.... She is playing....you just need to play along... it as nothing to do with humility...

just take a deep breath and enjoy life.... it s a happy world we live in!!!!

Jonathan Caron / Professional Coach / ironman champions / age group world champions
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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believe it or not, it was someone else that gave me my nickname--my coach. and he has been right about everything so far, and if he is the one calling me a superstar, that's good enough for me!

and you do bring up the wonderful thing that is the catch-22. Once you actually get really great results and reach unquestionable superstar status, you cannot call yourself a superstar without being seen as arrogant and cocky. But are you saying that once I get to superstar status this will be ok? It will be ok to get on a high horse?

I know I am not there yet. Some of us just like to have fun. I understand this may be a foreign concept to others. No offense.

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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P.S. nice first post, Mr. Troll. you have provided many hours of entertainment for this superstar.

OMG she totally called herself a superstar again! somebody call the High Horse Police!

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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It is obvious that you are such a superstar that many people lack the capacity to understand your sophisticated sense of humor. Keep up the awesomeness!!!
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [NeuroTri] [ In reply to ]
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dude! you know what would be AWESOME?? a Wongstar drinking game!

take a shot every time she calls herself "superstar"!

two shots for every time someone else calls her "superstar"!

and 3 shots for every time someone tells her she is NOT a superstar!!!

who wants to play?!?!

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

the blog: My So-Called Civilian Life :: theWongstar.com :: follow me @theWongstar
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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No offense, but you really need to take a step back and get off that high horse of yours. I mean, come on, you can't make up your own nickname and how can you always continually refer to yourself as a superstar? Don't you even think enough is enough? I have yet to see other pro's (like even Kona winners) call themselves superstars.

Win a few real races with a pro field, or at least place top 3, then let someone else nickname you a superstar or wongstar or whatever they come up with. Right now, you're a great age grouper.

Best of luck, I do hope to see you reach the superstar status, but maybe try being a little humble right now until you're there.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7zfnbdyAW8

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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You're on! You just keep demonstrating your sheer awesomeness nonstop. By the way, I just want to remind the world that you are a superstar - drink up!

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dude! you know what would be AWESOME?? a Wongstar drinking game!

take a shot every time she calls herself "superstar"!

two shots for every time someone else calls her "superstar"!

and 3 shots for every time someone tells her she is NOT a superstar!!!

who wants to play?!?!
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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Superstar Wongstar... before you get too drunk from all the shots... please send me those sticks. you are awesome :)
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [kus] [ In reply to ]
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damn! two more!

You know what I just thought of...each of the magic running sticks can probably hold about a shot of alcohol in it. random coincidence?? I think not!!

I now have no choice but to also sell a Drinking Game version of the Wongstar Magic Running Sticks. For the low low price of $1799 (WOW you save $201!!!) it comes with 4 custom autographed magic running sticks, complete instructions for both running and playing the drinking game, and I will even throw in 2 bottles of the yet-to be-announced liquor company that is sponsoring me next year.

yes, no joke, I am in talks with a liquor company. I mean, who wouldn't want to sponsor such a well-known triathlon superstar?

dammit that's another shot! good thing it's off season!!

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

the blog: My So-Called Civilian Life :: theWongstar.com :: follow me @theWongstar
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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damn! two more!

You know what I just thought of...each of the magic running sticks can probably hold about a shot of alcohol in it. random coincidence?? I think not!!

I now have no choice but to also sell a Drinking Game version of the Wongstar Magic Running Sticks. For the low low price of $1799 (WOW you save $201!!!) it comes with 4 custom autographed magic running sticks, complete instructions for both running and playing the drinking game, and I will even throw in 2 bottles of the yet-to be-announced liquor company that is sponsoring me next year.

yes, no joke, I am in talks with a liquor company. I mean, who wouldn't want to sponsor such a well-known triathlon superstar?

dammit that's another shot! good thing it's off season!!


That is a superstar idea from a pure Superstar.

Superstarrific.

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [badswimmer] [ In reply to ]
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No offense, but you really need to take a step back and get off that high horse of yours. I mean, come on, you can't make up your own nickname and how can you always continually refer to yourself as a superstar? Don't you even think enough is enough? I have yet to see other pro's (like even Kona winners) call themselves superstars.

Win a few real races with a pro field, or at least place top 3, then let someone else nickname you a superstar or wongstar or whatever they come up with. Right now, you're a great age grouper.

Best of luck, I do hope to see you reach the superstar status, but maybe try being a little humble right now until you're there.


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"Win a few real races with a pro field, or at least place top 3"

Does the term 'real' races imply shes even won any races?
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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Haha

I love it!!!! people arguing with jonnyo haha, as if any of you could break 9 hours!!! when jonnyo talks,you should listen.

on a side note, Jocelyn, you are a serious hottie!!! keep kicking ass,

im excited to see jonnyo come back this year and kick even more ass than he already has, I see an IM win for him in the near future. The talent is there, 2x6 place at IMAZ, 1x2nd olace ad IMC. Jonnyo, go hard, you CAN WIN!!!!
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [IRONwolf] [ In reply to ]
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Haha

I love it!!!! people arguing with jonnyo haha, as if any of you could break 9 hours!!! when jonnyo talks,you should listen.

on a side note, Jocelyn, you are a serious hottie!!! keep kicking ass,

im excited to see jonnyo come back this year and kick even more ass than he already has, I see an IM win for him in the near future. The talent is there, 2x6 place at IMAZ, 1x2nd olace ad IMC. Jonnyo, go hard, you CAN WIN!!!!

Yeah cos Jonnyo wins races "you won the argument right there" David Brent - The Office...
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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hey, dont talk trash about jonnyo, he WILL win an IM, you just watch.

your subtle trash talking is nothing to me, im like a slowtiwtch jedi....dawg.....
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks! Wongstar travel sponsor here...

Actually walking is tougher than running, generally because I only use a 1-inch heel orthotic inside my walking shoes. It's waay to difficult and expensive to get regular shoes built up.

It's absolutely true that the running shoe that Jocelyn built for me is a huge improvement; however, probably more important has been the block that goes on my cycling shoe.

Although my 5:53 time at IMAZ was a bit disappointing, I was hoping for closer to 5:30, it is absolutely clear that I wouldn't have gone as fast without the block, and my back would have been so messed up, the run would have been pretty much impossible, even though I was slowwww...

I'm trying to find a way now to mass produce the bike block in a way that it can be easily and cheaply resized. Since I started using it in Austin I have been contacted by 5 other cyclists who need more than the typical cycling shims can provide.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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You did 6 Ironmans in 2009? Huge.


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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Jocelyn,

On a slightly more serious note.

This running "drill" during bricks where you are holding "sticks" , could you possibly expand a bit on this please ?

I don't really have a clear picture and am presently stuck in the 4.20 IM run although standalone is 3.30.

I am fully aware that many other factors come into play here ...pacing , bike fitness , etc

Thanks in advance :)

Terry

"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [canuck8] [ In reply to ]
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um...it's not a drill, and not just during bricks. I just run with them all the time.

Really not sure how much I can expand on that. I don't think about anything special and that's probably a good thing because my coach says it is better not to think so much.

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

the blog: My So-Called Civilian Life :: theWongstar.com :: follow me @theWongstar
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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OK then, to get a better understanding of the purpose of these sticks.... since I don't drink alcohol when I run, can I just carry anything? Like a couple of gel packets or a small water bottle? Will I get the same result?
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [canuck8] [ In reply to ]
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your over thinking this...

see me post earlier...i explain the why of having stick in your hands...

jocelyn is a good solider, she execute what the coach says, as for me, i dont as much.,...i ask questions, well doc had the long conversation about those stick.... it s very simple...just dont over think it...

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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LIES! All LIES!

Not just any slender object will do. No no no!

You need my patented PowerStick, which I'm told increases running efficiency 300% in just 2 weeks of use. At least that's what I'm told. I mean, the test subject finished slower, but if the weather were good and he was feeling better he could *totally* go that much faster.

BUY POWERSTICKS.
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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um...it's not a drill, and not just during bricks. I just run with them all the time.

Really not sure how much I can expand on that. I don't think about anything special and that's probably a good thing because my coach says it is better not to think so much.


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I think I didn't phrase my question accurately , apologies.

Are these just "any" sticks ? In the fashion of ski poles or hiking poles ?

How long are they ? Do they touch the ground ?

Or are they more "objects" per se that highlight awareness as to where your arms are whilst running ?

I had some relatively detailed running observation don durng 2003 which highlighted some advantages / disadvantages with my running form. All ( I think ) have been addressed , I hope.
At 43 , I am an average runner, standalones : 43 , 1.35 , 3.32. ( 10 , 21 , 42km ).

I am definitely keen to try something new especially if I have never heard of this method.

During 70.3's and IM , I always carry an oval Fuel-Belt bottle with concentrated NUUN , to diluute quickly at hydration stations. Of course this is only ONE bottle.
Would carrying two of these in training work as opposed to sticks.

Are there any further objectives carrying the "sticks" ie: minimising crossover , envisioning pushing elbows back , etc.

Thanks very much !


Terry

"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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your over thinking this...

see me post earlier...i explain the why of having stick in your hands...

jocelyn is a good solider, she execute what the coach says, as for me, i dont as much.,...i ask questions, well doc had the long conversation about those stick.... it s very simple...just dont over think it...


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Ok ...to raise awareness of where your hands are , thanks.

I clarified my questions in response to Jocelyn's answer to my post.

Thanks very much :)

Terry

"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [canuck8] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a related thread from a little while back:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ing%20stick;#2393142

The sticks are short (~4-5 inches),and just give you something to hold while running. A similar effect can be achieved carrying keys or gels.
Water bottles might work, but they are a bit big and heavy.

The idea seems to be that by holding something in your hands, it makes you more conscious of what your hands and arms are doing while you run.

If you have no problem spending money, you can go out and buy things like this:


Or, what it sounds like iwjocelyn uses:

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [canuck8] [ In reply to ]
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Terry,

I use used Nuun tubes to carry my salt tablets during the marathon. I don't do this for any other reason than they are perfect to carry my salt tabs!

Irnbru

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [ndenezzo] [ In reply to ]
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Ah..........................!

In that case I am fine and good to go :)

I always carry a small water tight pack for keys , coins , ID and notes , in training.

Thanks very much , that cleared everything up nicely.

Terry

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"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [IrnBru] [ In reply to ]
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Terry,

I use used Nuun tubes to carry my salt tablets during the marathon. I don't do this for any other reason than they are perfect to carry my salt tabs!

Irnbru


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Dughall !

After that performance on the weekend , what else can you recommend ? Awesome execution , well done !

The tubes are perfect for many things and that is definitely one of them , good idea.

I will start that in training.

I was just not aware that holding something in both hands had that subconcious effect of highlighting arm movement and awareness. I don't think my running needs much "form" improvement , but speed would come in handy :)
Very , very slow at all 3 at the moment.

Oh well , base training is on :)

Terry

"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [ndenezzo] [ In reply to ]
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yep, that's it. funny enough they come in two different sizes, the ones here in America are mostly the jumbo king size version (surprise surprise) and longer. I prefer the shorter ones which are about the size of the Nuun tubes.

I admit that sometimes when I misplace them I have used keys in one hand and anything else I can find...chapstick....nail polish.... :)

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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Waiting for the Superstar Wongstar Energy Drink! That way we can all be superstar like you!

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Ancient Chinese Secrets, huh?
I don't think the next thing is Super Wongstar Energy Drink... I think this is the other performance secret she is hiding....
You all know that she makes orthodics, right? Is she making (and wearing) this kind of orthodic?

http://www.underarmour.tv/...d%20Brochure.UA2.pdf
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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FWIW, I have both the Drinking and Non-Drinking Game version of the Magic Running Sticks, and the Drinking Game version is well worth the extra money.

I always fill my magic sticks with moonshine. I like to think that taking four shots of moonshine during a long run automatically qualifies me as a superstar. (But, of course, I understand that TRUE super-stardom can only be bestowed upon me by unanimous approval of an internet forum).

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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hahaha! well the prosthetic & orthotic devices I make are all external...except if you break your neck and need a halo, you know, where the pins go slightly into your skull... and I leave the teeth stuff to the dental people...

but that does give me another fantastic idea, maybe some Wongstar toothpaste! and floss! (yes I brush and floss every day.) so you too can have a brilliant superstar smile! :D

energy drink hmm, if Starbucks takes me on I'll help develop an electrolyte-enhanced Frappuccino to go in the Camelbak.

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:: I came, I saw, I conquered. then I ran out of money, crashed into a car during an Ironman, and now work a bad-ass job making prosthetic legs for wounded warriors. ::

the blog: My So-Called Civilian Life :: theWongstar.com :: follow me @theWongstar
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwjocelyn] [ In reply to ]
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Reply to iwjocelyn:
You need to change your Slowtwitch ID so that we can properly identify you.....
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Re: Question for the Wongstar [iwgu1030] [ In reply to ]
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there, is that better?

Wow I didn't realize you could even change your username. I've been officially on ST for over 4 years (I'm sure I was a lurker long before then) and thought I would have to open up a whole new account and then look like a total newbie. you learn something new on ST every day!

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Re: Question for the Wongstar [tyson] [ In reply to ]
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LIES! All LIES!

Not just any slender object will do. No no no!

You need my patented PowerStick, which I'm told increases running efficiency 300% in just 2 weeks of use. At least that's what I'm told. I mean, the test subject finished slower, but if the weather were good and he was feeling better he could *totally* go that much faster.

BUY POWERSTICKS.


But is it compatible with the new Under Armar Power Mouthguard?
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