I think self awareness is key. THe b/f and I were talking about times when I am bit more emotional than normal and I said "but how would you tell". He laughed. It's kind of like saying the water was wetter.

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

Your right - Guys are nutty. You screw shit up all the time. Sometimes you make zero sense and can drive a good woman to drink.

Oh wait - you wanted us to admit that we are the same - not a chance! : )

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Harry: "I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier than this."
Loyd: "I was thinking the same thing. That John Denver's full of shit, man."

I knew it! My wife denise a woman bias all the time but the second I ask her to say women aren't perfect she falls on the standard fall back "I can't speak for all women." but boy howdy she can speak for all men.

Wanna example? In woman world, media or real life, when a woman cheats it's always because she is lost or neglected and what she did was not ok but she is growing being capable of mistakes and just learning what life's road has in store for her. Man cheats is with out a doubt is a fucking pig who want to destroy all women and probably kills children.

By the way I am saying all this light heartily but still say it's the 100% truth.

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OK, I'll seriously answer your question this time - yes, I'm nuts. I get angry, I cry (half the time, I don't even know why, but the tears are flowing), I get grumpy, I feel fat often, nothing the hubby says will make it any better. Should that drive a man to drink? No, it should make him want to buy me flowers and take me to dinner. But it's not like I'm like that all the time - in fact, it's rare, as I'm usually very happy and content.

In my honest opinion - if a woman cheats she is just as much of an ass as a man who cheats....

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Harry: "I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier than this."
Loyd: "I was thinking the same thing. That John Denver's full of shit, man."

"half the time, I don't even know why, but the tears are flowing"

I'm a chick! I don't just like randomly cry but sometimes the most pointless thing tears me up. That little Chinese boy during opening ceremonies who saved two of his classmates during an earthquake because he was the hall monitor and it was his responsibility. Oh yeah I'm wiping tears. Hallmark commercial where little old lady doesn't get as card on Mother's Day. Boo Hoo Tibbs is a woman! Don't even get me started with Special Olympics. One day my wife will meet a man.

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Well, I think we all suck ;-)

Just kidding. I think that people find it easier to deal with all the messiness associated with other folks by making generalizations. That is, it is easier to manage dealing with one type/group if we just group and associate that set of people. When we engage a human being in a one-on-one manner, we drop the grouping. But until then, we see all persons in group X as having certain traits and characteristics. It's to allow us to cope with the rest of the general population without forming any attachments to them.

AP

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"How bad could it be?" - SimpleS

Admit what? I'm perfect.

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Jen

"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

Women are not perfect, neither are men. We are made to compliment each other and as a couple we are perfect. Now that that is out of the way. First- men or women cheating is wrong. It doesn't matter who did it or why- it is wrong and that person is a selfish pig who cares nothing about the people they hurt.

As women we can be difficult to understand at times. We have a lot of emotions that we don't even understand. I don't know if it's enough to drive a guy to drink, but... Hugs, kisses, "you're beautiful" and "i love you" can go a long way. Doing a load of dishes, cooking supper, or cleaning the house are even better:) We tend to be more relaxed and fun to be around when these things are done.

That's why almost all my friends are dudes. ;-)

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"Is there a woman on this forum or on this Earth who is willing to admit the same thing about women?"

Yes. mens and womens are both messed up.

Me too.

clm

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clm
Nashville, TN
https://twitter.com/ironclm | http://ironclm.typepad.com

I'll cave. Womens are crazy. Seriously, look at some of the stuff we obsess over. We drive men to get together with their buddies to get away from our emotional nonsense.


In general, at least. I'm not very girly myself, and am quite emotionless. Guys don't like that either though - so embrace the crazy emotional nonsense... apparently you miss it if its not there.

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That's why almost all my friends are dudes. ;-)[/reply]

Me too.

clm

Hey! Like I said to Emilio and Paulo, I am not a dude!

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

Of course YOU are! I have always said that. Just yesterday at we where discussing perfect people and I'm all like, "JENHS IS PERFECT!"

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customerjon @gmail.com is where information happens.

I declare the women of Slowtwitch perfect, sexy and ultra foxy!

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Good for you. Good. For. You. :)

Finally someone realizes! :D

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I know I'm promiscuous, but in a classy way

If any of you ladies ever need a pick me up PM me and I will gush over you fantasticness.

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"it should make him want to buy me flowers and take me to dinner"

And I thought it was only my wife that expects that.

I know a fair amount of people...and I was single for 19 years....dated many....serious relationships along the way also....and I can say this in all seriousness:

I have never met anyone who is not seriously FUCKED UP!.....myself included.....we are all SERIOUSLY flawed.....


I am just glad I found someone I am madly in love with to be fucked up with....

lol

+1

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

Best. Sig. Line. Evhar!!!

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Jen

"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

"I am just glad I found someone I am madly in love with to be fucked up with...."

I found that last year. It was amazing and he told me he had been waiting for a woman like me his whole life. Then I learned he had a long term girlfriend. She found out about us and started calling me and hanging up or leaving nasty messages. One night, she called me 13 times! A friend called her the "Diaper Astronaut" and said I should report her to the police. She was a psycho bitch and I never saw him again. I spent the winter being absolutely depressed about it.
He was a fucking bastard and I spent the winter being a fucking mess.
So, yes, we are all fucked up, but women can be psycho. Come to think of it, so can men.

Did you expect anything less?

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I agree. Two plus years ago I reluctantly got involved with fellow triathlete (and slowtwitch poster "Don") who was "married but ready to leave his wife". In this duplicitous arrangement, he went as so far to qualify us as "husband and wife without the ring", talk about our marriage, our children, their names, etc. I wanted desperately to believe the fantasy but lived in the harsh reality that he was still married and we really didn't have a solid relationship. Needless to say, I continued with the relationship (at the expense of my personal well being) until I finally got wise after the umpteenth lie almost two years into it. His wife also, upon finding out the truth about our affair, finally divorced him. I blame myself for the interaction (I mean, hello! Married guy who thinks you're wonderful + wife who doesn't "know" about the "divorce" = disaster!) Duh.....

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Ah ha! Of course, we're all a bit "off"... let's face it, that's one of the reasons we do triathlon - adhering to a very specific schedule, making/seeing progress that only we can truly appreciate, improving our bodies, minds, race times, etc. It makes us feel more in control of our crazy selves!

IMO, men and women will never completely understand eachother. It's physiological as much as it is psychological, and it's the pursuit of understanding that makes the world go 'round. If we womens and mens got along all the time, life would be utterly boring!

My husband and I actually get laughing when we think about how crazy we are. We have both come to the conclusion that there is no one else on this planet that would be able to put up with the bullshit we throw around. If we ever aren't together anymore I've decided I will never get married again because a) I wouldn't be able to find anyone to put up with me and 2) I don't want to put up with anyone else's craziness.

It takes a special person to find someone that blends with your own insanity. When you find them, don't let go!!!

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"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

I don't expect those things, I just think they are nice! I think I last got flowers at our wedding - and I bought them!

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Harry: "I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier than this."
Loyd: "I was thinking the same thing. That John Denver's full of shit, man."

I guess I really have to stop spoiling my wife. She gets flowers 1-2 times a week.

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

I don't do flowers as often as you, on average I do once every week or 10 days, but it is the best money I have ever spent. My only rule is that I never give flowers when I have messed up.

I screw shit up all the time. Sometimes I make zero sense and can drive a good man to drink.

:-D

I never give when I mess up as well. I have this weird belief that appologies are not bribed and are not accepted when you give them :-)

The frequency of giving flowers is partially selfish as well...I love having flowers in the house.

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

Personally, I'd rather have a nice little present from the bike shop than flowers.

clm

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clm
Nashville, TN
https://twitter.com/ironclm | http://ironclm.typepad.com

Me too.

clm

Hey! Like I said to Emilio and Paulo, I am not a dude![/reply]
Hey! I said ALMOST!!!!!!!!!!!!

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clm
Nashville, TN
https://twitter.com/ironclm | http://ironclm.typepad.com

I wish she enjoyed being active! :-)

Two years ago I bought her a top of the line Felt - she rode it twice.

This year I bought her a cheesy cruiser - she rides it all the time. At least I can run while she rides :P~

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

Sounds like you got her the bike she wanted this time, not the bike you wanted her to want :-)


I would love to get flowers. He does bring me suprises when he travels but not much sponanious gift giving from him. I give lots of little things to him though cuz I love to give presents.

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Jen

"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

Lesson learned...lesson learned.

When the wife says she wants one thing...she really means something completely different :-)

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

The good thing is that I am learning to translate the female dialect.

I would love a bike so I could do easy rides with you - really means - I always had my sister's hand me downs and I would rather have that cute pink cruiser.

"Aren't these Louis shoes cute?" "Okay I will buy them for you for Valentines day." "No no they are too expensive." - really means - if you love me you will buy them for me.

Sitting on the couche... "baby do you want a glass of water?" - really means - baby will you get up and get me a glass of water

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

I got my wife flowers and a brand new Specialized Ruby Elite road bike this week....she can definately ride the bike...


she refuses to use clpless pedals....you should see how upset some guys get when she powers by them on that bike with very loose toe cages and running shoes...one guy actually tried to block her by moving to his left as we pace lined by him.........

suck it up dude!....

Perfect! Your wife has you well trained!

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Jen

"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

Besides fetching water, I also know how to sit, shake hands, and roll over...but she typically likes it when I only roll half way over, as she likes to be on top ;-)

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

TMI!! TMI!!

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Jen

"In order to keep a true perspective on one's importance, everyone should have a dog that worships him and a cat that will ignore him." - Dereke Bruce

I'm such a geek; when I first read the above statement, my first thought was "what kind of neglect drives a woman to dope, or draft, or perform any other kind of cheating act in a race?"

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MS: Exercise Science
Your speed matters a lot, sometimes you need to be very fast, where sometimes you need to breakdown your speed.

I wish my husband was as thoughtful as you :) I had to beg to get my Felt B2. After a year, he's finally agreed to let me get an aerohelmet to go with it. I'm hoping for wheels next year. I will say I do drive him to drinking though- I drive him up to the bar. He drinks beer and I drink diet coke and then I drive him back home again.

Really really good rule. I do not want flowers as a suck up; please forgive me gift! That is so cliche!

Actually I agree with clm, flowers are nice but I'd really rather have some neat new swim/bike/run toy. (Honey if you're reading this I really have my eye on the 8G nano)

I definitely have issues and they manifest themselves at very inopportune moments; like in 2005 the night before IM FL! But my husband is the first guy who somehow knows how to handle me. I think it's because he doesnt' get mad or take it personally. Plus he has some big time issues himself and he says I'm the first one who has been able to deal with his issues (which really to me, they are obvious but not deal breakers at all).

I guess I'm agreeing with those who say we all have something, the key is finding someone for whom your something is basically nothing!

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Nor do I use punctuation in the way a child sprinkles glitter over a ribbon of glue on construction paper - Trash Talk

I would like to say that my husband is not stupid, does not screw stuff up all the time, and would not drive me to drink. If anything the reverse is true. I think he deserves sainthood in all honesty. I don't know what he sees in me, but I am so glad he sees it.

Hail St. Shikepoke!

100% agree with you.

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