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I'm asking for your thoughts and prayers for one of our fellow triathletes racing IMFL this past weekend. Dorothy remains unconscious in the hospital after being pulled unconscious from the water during the swim. I've summarized some emails and threads from other forums to share the story and ask for your support.

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"Dorothy Barnett Griffin, who many of you know from LifeTime Masters Swimming (the Plano, TX group), is in the hospital in Panama City. Dorothy and Mike Griffin were doing their first full Ironman triathlon Saturday in Panama City Florida. Apparently Dorothy had some issues late in the swim (unsure what precipitated the difficulties) and was pulled from the water. She was not breathing so they immediately began CPR, and there was water in her lungs. When they got her to shore they used the defibrillator and got her to the hospital. They pulled Mike from the route at about mile 56 as he had a fast swim and was unaware of any problems. Yesterday they drilled a hole in her head to release the pressure on her brain, which was swelling, and put some type of stint in it. She was placed on a ventilator and is in intensive care. Dorothy and Mike's parents and their kids and some of Dorothy's siblings are in Florida with her.

YESTERDAY's NOTE (11/4):
I just got off the phone with Mike and he is more positive than yesterday. A brain scan was performed today and there are some brain waves - Dorothy is on a respirator only to make it easier for her to breathe - she could actually breathe on her own. There are some hand movements and leg movements - but those could be involuntary. While not pertinent to her current condition we do know now that she was on her second loop of the swim and that she did in fact grab a kayak but then lost consciousness at that point - she was immediately pulled out of the water - the good news here is that she did not spend that long without air. He said she is very weak but she is a fighter. She still is not conscious and her condition is still guarded. She did raise her hand slightly when he walked into the room and called her name earlier and we pray this is a sign that she heard him. They also downloaded the information from her heart rate monitor and her average HR was 135 with a max of 160 which the doctors feel is a good sign.

TODAY's INFORMATION (11/5)
Jody spoke with Mike again this morning. Dorothy had to go back into surgery because the pressure on her brain had built up and the stint was no longer working. Her eyes had become dilated and she had stopped moving. They took out part of her skull to relieve the pressure and immediately her eyes went back to normal so the surgery was successful. Her condition is critical so please keep the prayers going.

Many of you know Dorothy's story of losing her husband a few years ago in a tragic accident and how since then she has helped hundreds with her work with Journey of Hope - helping spouses and children dealing with the loss of a parent. We have come to know of Dorothy as a strong person (as is Mike). We are asking all of the triathlon community as well of friends of Dorothy and Mike to keep her in your POSITIVE thoughts, prayers and to stay "DOROTHY-STRONG."

UPDATE (11/5):
They are taking Dorothy back into surgery this morning to remove the other part of her skull as they need to relieve more pressure.
There is some good news. The X-rays show that her lungs are improving. Also when they pinched her really hard she did react to it which is a good sign.
Keep those prayers coming.
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she is on my daily prayers,

good luck

peace

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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thank you for this information. i will say a prayer for her and Mike.
how tragic. I hope she makes a full recovery. please continue to update us.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts are definitely there for both Dorothy and Mike.

I think it's interesting the way they used the HR monitor information.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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prayers sent
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Praying for her and her family.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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she is on my daily prayers
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [oh] [ In reply to ]
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I'll be praying as well. I hope she recovers quickly.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts and prayers go out to Dorothy, for a full and speedy recovery.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [rob2681] [ In reply to ]
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Your reports bring tears to my eyes.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. Very, very sad. Definitely in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for sharing.

"It is not the great things we do in life that really matter, it's the small things we do with a great heart..."-Mother Theresa
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Thoughts and prayers for Dorothy and Mike. Very sad. I'm so sorry. Godspeed for the best recovery.



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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely. This is just heartbreaking.

Why?

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts and prayers are with Dorothy and I hope she can fight and pull through. Please keep the updates coming, if possible, as I am hoping for the best. Also, if they did not give her a finisher's metal, please let me know and I will be happy to send her mine.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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This is just awful. I was standing on the beach at the end of the swim cut-off and there were 4 kids looking for their mom, Dorothy. Cute toe-heads, all of them. There were a couple of girls maybe 11-13 years old and a couple of younger boys (I think). I could just tell they were a tight family and had high hopes on that day. They were all very eager and anxious to see their mother exit the water as the cut-off time was looming. When a jet ski came in with an athlete and an EMT/Lifeguard on a floating gurney the kids became very concerned and went over to check it out. I lost touch with them at that point, but know they must have been distraught when they eventually learned the athlete in trouble was their mom.

Let's all send Dorothy and her family our very best wishes and best healing karma.
-Wayne
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I wish there was something I could say but there isn't. I wish for the best for your friend and her family.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Stick] [ In reply to ]
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I will be praying daily...hoping for a full recovery.


Our biggest challenge isn’t someone else. It’s the ache in your lungs. The burning in your legs. And that voice in your head that yells “CAN’T,” but you don’t listen. You just push harder. And then you hear that voice whisper, “can” and you discover that the person you thought you were is no match for the person you really are
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My best wishes and prayers for a full recovery....
Val
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Update (11/05; pm)

Jody Gonsolus heard from Mike earlier. Dorothy is out of surgery. She is critical but her heart rate is good and strong. He said her brain is exposed to relieve the pressure but we need the swelling to stop so focus your prayers for this to occur. The next 24 hours are very critical. Mike is doing well as can be expected, actually better in my opinion as he is staying incredibly strong and as positive as possible. He knows we are all praying for them which is a comfort.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Very , very sad indeed , hope she recovers well.

Terry

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [canuck8] [ In reply to ]
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I saw the medics giving her CPR, I was about 5 feet, away, it scared the S$%T out of me, the team was on it super quick, It was truly impressive to watch them in action. I felt bad for Johnnyo, I guess he had to pull the womans husband from the course and take him to the hospital. very sad, my thoughts are with everybody involved.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Our thoughts and prayers are with Dorothy!
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I was there also and it was very up setting. We had gone back to cheer those few remaining swimmers in when they brought her to the med tent there on the beach. I could see that something was going on since they had laid their space blanket and equipment out in advance of the jet ski arriving on the beach. Obivously they had radioed ahead. The rescue persons were very much on top of it and some visibly upset themselves after she was hurried off. My thoughts and prayers have been of Dorothy much these last several days. Thanks for the update.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [sleepyhead] [ In reply to ]
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Best wishes for Dorothy and Mike....this is disturbing to hear about her unfortunate situation.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Willrace4food] [ In reply to ]
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Update from last night:
Just got off the phone with Mike. Dorothy is basically the same. They had a scare where her blood pressure dropped significantly for a short time but they were able to get it back to an acceptable level. Than ran an EKG after but do not have the results of that test yet. She is not moving right now but her heart rate is good. She basically has not gotten any worse but nor has she gotten any better which is of some concern. Please pray that tomorrow Dorothy starts to see improvement and that she begins her road to recovery.

Update from this morning:
Got this message this morning. Not good news:
Dorothy is not responding to any external stimuli - neither voice nor touch nor pinching are causing any reaction. This is not a good thing. If a miracle is going to happen then it will have to be today. They are going to run one more test to measure brain activity and if the result is negative then life support systems will be disconnected. You all have given so much in terms of thoughts and prayers but more is being asked of you. Today, this morning, take a quiet moment off by yourself or with others of like intent and focus your energies and faith on asking for a miracle for Dorothy and Mike and their families. This the least we can do and it is the only thing we can do.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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That absolutely breaks my heart. We are praying for a miracle. Please do keep us posted.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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just came back from my womens prayer group we all added Dorothy and her family to our prayers. Hopefully Gods will is to bring her back to her family.


Sonja
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [sportmt] [ In reply to ]
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All my thoughts and prayers are with Dorothy and her family.
+++++++ vibes ++++++++
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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what terrible news. not what i was wanting to hear today. i was hoping for any ray of hope that she would pull out of this. this just really hits hard that someone can be swimming fine ( even singing while swimming) one minute then for no reason (?) goes under. is there any idea what happened out there? with such a quick response from the rescue team it is even harder to understand.
i feel for her husband and children and can not imagine the pain they are going through.
Please let them know that everyone here is pulling for her still and praying for that miracle.
jana



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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [jana] [ In reply to ]
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My families thoughts and prayers go out to Dorothy, Mike and their children.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [hillier99] [ In reply to ]
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My prayers continue for Dorothy and her family. May they find strength, peace and most of all, healing.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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She and her family are in our prayers. I was there for my first IM, and it is amazingly sad for such a wonderful and exciting event to turn so tragic. We can't take a single minute for granted...


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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts and prayers are with all involved. May the doctors and nurses be sure and swift, may her family be comforted, and may Dorthy have a full recovery.
Fr. Mitch
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Dorothy and Mike's son is on my son's soccer team. I really spoke with both of them for the first time 2 weekends ago while at a soccer game. They saw I had a wild ride T shirt and asked if I rode. Of course this started a 1/2 hour conversation in which we found out we shared many of the same interests. My usual bike route went right past their house. They invited me to ride with them once they returned from the Ironman. I thought great, I'll have some new cycling buddies I can ride with. Yesterday I got the news about Dorothy from our kids soccer coach. I then saw how involved Dorothy was with Jouney of Hope Grief Support Group.
http://www.johgriefsupport.org/
http://www.johgriefsupport.org/ironman.htm
I almost cried when I realized Dorothy lost her husband in an automobile accident in November of 2002. Now her 3 children are facing this. Sometimes things just aren't fair. God bless those children, Dorothy and Mike.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [pathdoc2] [ In reply to ]
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This breaks my heart. No one should have to suffer this much, especially children.

I pray she recovers.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for keeping us updated, I join the others in expressing my sadness at this turn of events...
I am truly sorry its not good news and hoping for the best and her recovery.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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As we are all one Triathlon family, my families thoughts and prayers go out to Dorothy and her family.











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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I was there as well, and have a strong bond, as many here. I'm hoping and praying as the others. Thanks so much for keeping us informed. At the carbo dinner, there was a young man who had a similar experience happen to a family member, and he mentioned how good the Iman peopel were for an entire year. Perhaps we can encourage the same support, and help from Iman for those children who must be hurting so.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Such disappointing news. I wanted this to turn out differently- as I am certain everyone does.

I am still hoping, praying, sending best of energy. I am so sorry. I'm not certain what else to say except I feel so bad...

Maybe there will be a wonderful turn of events... I so hope so. It's been a bit of a tough year with things like this.

Tom Demerly
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I truly hope Dorothy will have the inner strength to start a successful recovery!

Fred.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Was there as well and saw CPR being performed perfectly. We thought about the athlete -who we now know is Dorothy - all day and ever since. Thank you for the updates. We will continue to keep Dorothy, her husband, and children in our prayers.
Quite sobering...this could happen to any of us.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Trischmiley] [ In reply to ]
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Latest update:
Mike just called and Dorothy survived the testing. They had to unhook her from some of the devices to do the tests. The test was to measure if blood is flowing to her brain. The good news is there is blood flow. The doctor told him not to get overly optimistic because they have not determined how much damage has already occurred. They will run another test tomorrow (they don't want to stress her body again today) to determine how much damage has been done. At that point, Mike and family will determine the next steps. It appears that your prayers are working. Please continue to pray for Dorothy and a good report tomorrow.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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positive thoughts and prayers are with her.
we can't give up hope.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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god bless her and her family...good vibes headed south...
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for keeping us update - will keep her in my thoughts and hope for good news.....

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My prayers are with Dorothy and her family.

It's amazing the response to this Thread. It shows what a "Great" and "Caring" Community we are. It also puts things in prospective.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [coryalps] [ In reply to ]
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This has shaken our little community of Lucas, TX where Mike and Dorothy and kids live. Everybody is in prayer for them and will be eager to assist in any way they can when called upon. I have know the family for several years having coached Dorothy's older son in soccer for several seasons (until last May) when my son decided to hang up his cleats. Her older son is my older son's grade and her younger son is my younger son's grade. The same is true for at least a half dozen other families in Lucas.

Dorothy has always been very supportive of her son's sporting interests and I could always count on her to bring him to soccer practice and the games. Mike is a terrific interior painter and has done painting in our house (and a number of other houses around town. In the few years they have lived in Lucas they have become a well-known & well-liked part of our community.

Stay strong Mike.
God bless Mike and Dorothy

mike
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [mengler] [ In reply to ]
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My prayers are with Dorothy. Mike and family, you are also in our prayers. God, do a miracle in this situation!
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Dorothy, Mike and family, Our thoughts and prayers are with you at this time. We know that everything will be ok because you are such wonderful people. See you soon.

Elynor and Jorge
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Hope this is just the start of good news.

clm
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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She is in our thoughts and prayers. Godspeed.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My wife and I were volunteers during IM Florida; we paddled as a safety boat during the swim. We were paddling with Tony, a physically challenged athlete, about 100 yards from the finish and 50 yards away from Dorothy when she went under.

Dorothy had been speaking with lots of us volunteers during the swim. Stopping from time to time, holding onto a kayak to catch her breath, she would chat with us in our boats and continue on with her swim. Dorothy had a volunteer paddling along her side the last half of the second loop. This female volunteer gave Dorothy a place to rest and TONS of support. Many of the volunteer paddlers, Annie and myself included, circled Dorothy giving her encouragement, chatting and cheering her along. Although she was notably tired (who isn't after 2 miles of swimming) Dorothy pushed on after each rest; she seemed optimistic and intent on making the cut off to fulfill her IronMan goal.



Thank you for the update. Please, keep the updates coming and all of us in Atlanta will have Dorothy in our thoughts and prayers.


Gary A Harris
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't been able to think of anything else since hearing about this on Monday morning. I knew how excited Dorothy was to participate in the race. My heart is breaking for she & her family. I have everyone I know praying for her that a Miracle will occur!! To go from such a high that a triathlon brings to this type of low is something that I can't even begin to comprehend.

God Bless the family!!!
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I have been glued to ST for updates on this. I can't stop thinking about her. I have been asking all of my friends to pray for her..miracles can happen!! Thank you for keeping us informed as you have.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [tri_gear] [ In reply to ]
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Dorothy is a very dear friend of mine. This is just tragic. Her story was aired on Channel 11 last night. Here is the link http://cbs11tv.com/...story_310225151.html. Her family really needs our prayers.
Tammy
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [tammyfi] [ In reply to ]
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Tammy, thank you for the link. There is a link to Dorothy's Journey of Hope donation page at the end of the article. The story is so heartbreaking. My thoughts and prayers are with Dorothy and her family.
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Tammy, I just saw this thread. Come on Dorothy, this is one race your kids need you to win....our prayers are with all her family!!!

Dev
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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This is heartbreaking. I cannot even imagine what Dorothy's kids must be going through. While I don't know her, she is definately in my prayers. God is amazing, hears our prayers and answers then. May he hear our prayers and heal Dorothy's injuries.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Mizzou] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry I don't have much news. This is the only update I've received:

I spoke to Mike this morning. There is no change in Dorothy's condition. The results of the brain activity test were not what they had hoped. They will run the test again tomorrow. I will send you more information when I speak to Mike again. Dorothy, Mike and their family continue to need your prayers.
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I was hoping to see some good news today. She is in my thoughts and prayers!
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Hello Gang,
My name is Shawna Gibson. I am from Fort Worth and belong to several area clubs, Team Ridglea, Tricowtown, Cancer Commandos, etc...

I have to say as I am reading these updates I can hardly see the screen thought the tears.

Like all of you we have this posted on our forum and sending Dorothy, her family, friends, everyone our thoughts and prayers.
I was about 4 or 5 feet away and was horrified at what I saw. I will say the team that was working with her was amazing!

Anyway, if there is anything that any of us can do please let me know.

Many thoughts and prayers are sent her way...
-Sho
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Was hoping for better news...very very sorry to hear about the test results...
hoping things go better....just hoping and wishing for her...

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [BiasedOyster] [ In reply to ]
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My family was waiting for me to finish and saw the rescuers bringing her in. They have prayed at every meal and bedtime for her. I pray for her kids who had to watch all of that especially after all they have been through. Fight, Dorothy, fight! God be with her and her family! Give the doctors discernment and wisdom and everyone who cares for her compassion and loving spirits.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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A tragedy to say the least. I've been working closely with Dorothy for nearly 6 months now in physical therapy...we all know Ironman training certainly doesn't come injury free. I also rode quite a bit of the Hotter 'N Hell Hundred with her several months ago, and she's a blessing to work and train with. Her singing is no surprise to me at all, she's a blessing to many many people, and I can't say enough prayers for her and Mike. We're praying for you at Peak PT!!!
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for the updates. I continue to keep this woman and her family in my best wishes and thoughts. I appreciate your stewardship of this difficult information.

Tom Demerly
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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still praying and hoping that she will come thru this
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Still keeping Dorothy in my thoughts/prayers. Please keep us posted when you have a chance.......

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Bumped.... with many many prayers.

:-) Mary
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Meggers] [ In reply to ]
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With sorrow, I share with you the news I just received from Dave Young:

It is my sad responsibility to be the messenger of unhappy news I never, ever thought I would send.

Dorothy Barnett-Griffin, wife, mother of three, sister, daughter, philanthropist, athlete, friend to hundreds and more of an Ironwoman then all the Ironmen I have ever known, passed from this frail existence today November 8, 2007.

Dorothy will be missed. She was a punctilious pink presence everywhere she went. She opened her heart and her home and her purse to so many. She was a woman of opinions clearly stated and a wit and wisdom equally measured out in ample doses to lift or lead others as needed. She was a magnificent woman.

She was intolerant of fools and incompetence but had a heart so big that she became the epitome to many of faith and hope and charity – but like Paul writing to the Corinthians, charity was her greatest quest. As a result of losing her first husband to a sudden tragic death, she became familiar with and then a huge supporter of the Journey of Hope Grief Support Center in Plano. In fact she was racing in the Ironman to race funds for this organization. (For more information see http://www.johgriefsupport.org/founders.htm)

We honor best not with flowers and cards and well-used expressions of sympathy but by imitating and emulating the worthy life of another. You could do far worse than to follow the admonishment to go and try to be like Dorothy. Be "Dorothy-Strong!"

On her way into Heaven I can hear her saying as she speedily passes dawdling others shuffling slowly along - just like she did in many a race:

"Girl on your left."

We are diminished greatly by her leaving, we are all magnified for having had her in our lives.

Farewell Dorothy.

Please pray for Mike and Dorothy's kids.

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I ....am....absolutely....heartbroken. I will continue to keep her family in my prayers.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I just did Ironman Florida...Our family has lost one of its own. Can you please post pictures of Dorothy. Im so sorry. This is a great loss to us all. God bless.
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I'm so sorry to hear this. I was afraid that this would be the case.

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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How incredibly sobering. My thoughts and prayers to her husband and kids. Sounds as though she was a great example to those around her for how to live life.


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God, I so hate to hear that. My heart goes out the family and all her friends. Please let them all know we are thinking of them.
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Words cannot alone express how sorry I am to hear this sad news. I am sending my heartfelt sympathy to Mike and his family.

With great sadness,
-charles
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Dorothy.... to you we raise our water bottles and toast you with Gatorade and now long shall live the phrase..... GIRL ON YOUR LEFT!

In our prayers forever.

Mary
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God bless her family and especially her poor kids. I can't imaging three small children loosing both parents with in such a short period of time. My heart and prayers go out to them.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Very sad news. My heartfelt prayers go out to her and to her family; especially the kids.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [trifan] [ In reply to ]
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thank-you for posting the pictures- and thanks to jarhead for posting the Fox TV link
I am stunned and saddened beyond words....
I woke up in the middle of the night last night wanting an answer to why-and how?
could swimming into a bunch of jellies do this? was my thought process
She and her husband raised those kiddos right and taught them how to deal with grief
I only hope that with this, the toughest of tests, they will all endure...
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I am SO sorry to hear the news.....My thoughts and prayers go out to her family
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I will be doing my first ironman at WI in 2008. I think it's a good idea to sign up to either sponsor her charity, or a similar scholarship for her children. Ideas?
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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How very sad. My prayers and condolences are with her family, especially her children. How unfair to lose both parents in such a short time at such a young age. Hopefully there will be some type of fund set up for them soon, if so, please post info here.


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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Oh no. That's so horrible - those poor kids. Thank you for letting us know. My heart goes out to her family.....

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Can someone send me the mailing address? (Email to Steph4tsu@yahoo.com) I would like to send a card. I was next to the ambulance when they brought her up. I saw her mom get in the front seat and her children taken away in another car. I have thought about her ever since then. It absolutely breaks my heart to hear this news. Does anyone know exactly why she went under? Her family is in my prayers.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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When there was no update posted earlier in the day, I was so afraid that this would be the outcome. How horrible for her children to have to deal with the death of a parent again. My heart breaks for them and for her husband.

Please consider making a donation to Journey of Hope in Dorothy's name. It is a fitting tribute.

Godspeed, Dorothy.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [trigirl125] [ In reply to ]
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I want to share this message that also went out today. I love Dorothy and want you all to know that she has touched us all.
Upbeat, caring, inspirational, crazy, pink, beautiful, funny, happy, determined, giving, intelligent, great mother, loving wife, and one of our dearest friends. This is how we will remember our Dorothy.
Today Dorothy said goodbye to this world and moved on into the hands of the Lord. She left doing what she loved and for a cause she was so passionate. The Journey of Hope
http://www.johgriefsupport.org/founders.htm. Her organs were donated so she will save several lives and a part of her will live on within them. Her soul will move on to the Lord where it will be loved and cherished. I'm sure she will have him grinning from ear to ear just as she makes us all smile in her presence.
Our prayers focus now on those trying to understand and deal with their loss. Please pray for Mike, the kids, and all their families during this very difficult time.
When I learn more about how we will celebrate her life I will pass that information on to everyone.
I know many of you are asking what you can do to help. Once I know more about their plans we can coordinate meals and any other areas where Mike feels they may need assistance.
I attached a couple of pictures I thought I would share with you.
I will also keep all of you in my prayers as well as I know you are mourning her passing as I am. Communicating with you has helped me deal with this tragic event.
Thanks again for all your thoughts and continued prayers.



Jody

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Gunsolus] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the link, it's an honor to make a donation in her memory.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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What a beautiful lady - such spunk and love! Prayers to her family and friends dealing with this hard time.
I caught this thread earlier in the week and had hoped that by the time I logged back on she would be on the road to recovery, did not expect her to pass, very sad.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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My thoughts and prayers to her husband and kids.
Fred.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [too.tall] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks so much. My note only skims the surface of how special she was to so many people. You never forget Dorothy when you meet her. She has a lasting positive impact.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Hello

Oh my god, I'm so sorry, this is so sad. I can still hear her singing as she was swimming along; this is something that will be with me forever.

I will continue to keep her family and friends in my prayers.

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Eric - "Train Smart, Race Smart, Finish Strong"
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Gunsolus] [ In reply to ]
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Sincere condolences to Dorothy's family during this difficult time. As was the case at IM FL 2006, our community has again lost a fine individual this year. My thoughts are with Dorothy and those that love her.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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Ironman is such an uplifting experience, it is a culmination of hopes and dreams and this sort of thing is not supposed to happen. I am so sorry. My heart goes out to the family.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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do they know what actually happened to her ? what was the cause ? thanks.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [rrfr] [ In reply to ]
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No we do not know the exact cause of death. Because they donated her organs, an autopsy cannot be performed. The important thing is that she was never in pain.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Gazelle] [ In reply to ]
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We have lost another one from our tri family, and while Dorothy is now in a world away from us, my thoughts go to her kids who carry on with her spirit and that or their late father. What a tough blow to the little ones! All the best to her family!

sincerely

Dev
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Gunsolus] [ In reply to ]
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Heartfelt condolences from all of us over the pond at www.tritalk.co.uk, many of whom have checked this thread every morning in hope.

Excellent work down here Dorothy: may you have smooth tarmac and a gentle warm breeze at your back up there in the new place.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [MStride] [ In reply to ]
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Over the years I have had the chance on multiple occaisions to talk to Graham Fraser about his events and the thing that pains him the most is when an athlete passes away at/due to participation at one of his events. Graham is himself an athlete and has gone in the 9:30 range for an Ironman. He's one of us and when when one of his customers suffers the faith of Dorothy or Perry, he feels the loss like all of us...actually he feels it worse. Due to some of my own stupidity I had a near death experience in the medical tent at Ironman LP 2003. My wife and son are sure glad that I made it through, and I have no doubt that Graham is glad that I'm still around. I knew him back in 1987 when I started doing his races in Ontario.

I just thought I would post this because sometimes we athletes get the impression that Ironman North America is a big faceless corporation, when in reality it is still a relatively small company often times coping with the popularity of its products and services
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Gunsolus] [ In reply to ]
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I had the wonderful opportunity to get to know Dorothy this summer. She was one of those people who you immediately knew you wanted in your circle. I feel so lucky to have known her and trained with her. We are all heartbroken. I miss you, Dorothy.

One thing that helps me is to know the last words from her family before she started the swim had to been "we love you". Hugs had to have been shared and the feeling of love from her family was strong and in her heart.

COBB MOBB 2014, 2015
Team Cambridge 2014, 2015
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [gturner] [ In reply to ]
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Prayers and thoughts. She really was a tremendous woman. My best to her children.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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She sounds like such a wonderful person. How nice of all of her friends to talk about her here and to share her special-ness with all of us. I love hearing how she was singing during the swim. I think that shows a small insight into her personality.

It's just so sad, especially when you think about her children. Please post a link if any funds are set up for the children. We can't help much, but we can at least donate some money to help the kids with their college funds or something else that they might need. The family needs to know they're not alone.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [DawnT] [ In reply to ]
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Here is a link to a news video broadcast about Dorothy:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/...n=1&locale=EN-US

I have also posted a link to the charity organization she was raising funds for on my blog at www.TriBoomer.com

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Dallas, TX
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I did IM Florida this year and last year. It is heartbreaking to me that we lost an athlete at the race each year. In times like this, words fail me.
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As a young mother of a 1 year old daughter, my heart just breaks for this family. Dorothy seemed to be such an inspiring, wonderful woman. May god watch over her children and husband through this unbelievably difficult time. My prayers are with them.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I never met Dorothy, but she sounds like the type of person I would love to be around. I have no doubt that our triathlon community is a better place because Dorothy was a part of it. As an mother and fellow athlete, I am deeply saddened and reminded of how precious life is. We have been praying for her family and will continue to do so.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [trirunt] [ In reply to ]
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The Dallas Morning News has this story on their front page this morning.

http://www.dallasnews.com/...dorothy.372b465.html
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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The word going around is Dorothy was stung by Jellyfish/had an allergic reaction. Is there any truth to this? I did the race and did see a few jellyfish but they were far and few between.
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This is such horrible news. i have not been able to stop thinking of her and those children. what a loss for so many people who knew and loved her.

i saw one jelly fish the whole swim. it was at the last bouy before the end of the swim. it was there on both loops and seemed to stay in the exact same place both times i swam by it. i only heard of one or two others mention seeing jelly fish. i would think if that was the case, there might have been some physical reaction as well that would have been noted by the rescue team or doctors. don't jelly fish stings make whelps and stuff? I am perplexed as to what could have happened out there.
My thoughts are with her family.
jana



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I am so sorry! My prayers are with her family.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I'm often confused that the things we ask for, hope for, pray for- especially for the good of others, are sometimes denied- and that is extremely painful.

I wish this woman hadn't died. We talked about "miracles" and were hinting at some miraculous recovery for her that would have thrilled and delighted us all. Then one day we could meet this woman at a race, shake her hand and say, "Hey girl, I read about you. Way to pull through. Glad to meet you. Have a great race."

Unfortunately that won't be. So we're left with each other and with questions about why this didn't end better.

My wife tells me "Things happen for a reason." When she says that I often ask, "Well, then, what is the reason for this?"

She tells me we may not ever understand the reason, but to trust in a greater good, a greater purpose to it all. That's tough.

I wish Drothy Griffin's family peace and healing.

Another miracle I'm hoping for is to someday understand why things like this happen.

Tom Demerly
The Tri Shop.com
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Dorothy was my 'baseball buddy' with our sons' baseball team. She was one of the only moms who was down to earth and not so competitive about her son being the best on the team, so we'd sit together and laugh and talk and talk. She was soooooo down-to-earth and friendly. She told me stories of her first husband at almost every game....how she went into darkness after he died, but then 6 months later, came to LIFE again and started living....her wedding to her second hubby was just beautiful and all she asked for as gifts were donations to the grief center. We had some great laughs and talks at those baseball games. She will be missed...I hope she's dancing with her first husband right now, but more than anything, I pray for her 3 kids, Mike, her mom and her siblings and siblings-in-law. THey took their dad's death so so hard...I can 't even imagine this.

If there's anything we can do, please let me know. We live in the neighborhood next to Dorothy's first husband's brother and family.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [MStride] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

I'm one of Dorothy's younger sisters (she was the eldest of 5). Thank you for your thoughts, I know that the rest of my family feels all the love you are sharing.

The last thing I wrote to Dorothy in response to her email about her competing in this Ironman was "I am proud of you."

I know that Dorothy would appreciate that any donation or offering be given to what she was participating in the Ironman competition for: The Journey of Hope Grief Support Center. http://www.johgriefsupport.org/ironman.htm

Thank you for your prayers and love.

peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [elainex] [ In reply to ]
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I am so sorry to hear this. There are no words to describe the loss the family must be feeling. May they find peace and healing. God Bless.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [kamsdell] [ In reply to ]
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In Reply To:
The word going around is Dorothy was stung by Jellyfish/had an allergic reaction. Is there any truth to this? I did the race and did see a few jellyfish but they were far and few between.
I don't know where this is being circulated, but I have heard nothing at all to support this at this time.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [elainex] [ In reply to ]
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Elaine,
I am so sorry for your family's loss. I have walked around this week in total shock, as I can't even begin to imagine how you & your family are feeling. I knew Dorothy from the triathlon circuit. I didn't see her often enough this past year, but everytime that we emailed or ran into each other at an event, I was always so happy to see her. My husband had had a near death experience a couple of years ago and we shared stories. Whenever I saw her, the first thing she always asked about was his health. I loved what a wonderful, caring person she was. We emailed right before she left for Florida and she told me she had missed seeing me and we were going to see each other at her Christmas party on 12/1. I was excited to see her too and hear all about the race. I always let her know that she was my inspiration...she was so strong!! My heart is broken for your family.

I just wanted you to know that I have everyone in my church community, my family and friends praying for strength for your family right now. I wish there was something that I could say to help, but all I can do is let you all know that you are in our thoughts, prayers and hearts and will continue to be.

May God Bless you all,
Jill Brodrick
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [jillanne] [ In reply to ]
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A lot of the posters in this thread are making their first ever posts/visits to ST.
Welcome.

And our thoughts and prayers are with Dorothy and all of you, her close friends.

Brad

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [elainex] [ In reply to ]
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my condolences to you and your family. your sister serves as an inspiration to all of us who have faced hardship - she was clearly a devoted mother and a woman full of grace...i am sure her children have benefited from her in ways that will guide them through life, i only hope that you all are able to find comfort in the memories she has left you with. god bless her and the entire family. this community will not forget her tale.
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [elainex] [ In reply to ]
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Elaine,

Thanks for coming by. It means so much to all of us that the family, in their time of grief, is taking the time out to do a little bit to help us all. Dorothy is a fine example to all of us in so many ways. We will miss her.

Peace be with you...
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [dbarron] [ In reply to ]
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I just noticed the post about Dorothy passing. Very sorry to hear that. My condolences to the family.


Train safe & smart
Bob

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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [Longboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Passing along this info. Apologies for including details of her memorial service to everyone; however, they may be relevant to some in the group. You'll see that BT got mentioned, but I'm also aware that they have been reading comments here, too, and are very grateful for the sentiments and support.

I spent most of last evening and today with Mike Griffin and Dorothy's family. Individually, they are grieving their loss differently as many of you will. Mike is being strong and has been a comfort to many as they have visited his home. There are many challenges still facing this family so your thoughts and prayers are still desired, still needed.

I have written and it certainly has been covered extensively in the press that Dorothy's Journey of Hope Grief Support Center (http://www.johgriefsupport.org/ ) was a focus of her charitable efforts. What is not widely known is that Dorothy wished that her organs be donated upon her passing. This other form of CHARITY has helped six other people live better, more productive and even longer lives. Considering the concept of "six degrees of separation" it is very likely that someone, somewhere familiar to one of you has benefited from this GIFT. Would Dorothy's example be something that each one of us might want to consider emulating? As of this date there are "only" 98,161 people in the USA qualified and waiting to receive organs (see http://www.organdonor.gov/ for more information).

While the subject of numerous conversations across the country - the "why" or "what was the cause" questions regarding Dorothy's death will probably never be answered. An autopsy might have determined what caused her to stop swimming and lose consciousness but an autopsy would also have prevented Dorothy's wishes regarding her organ donation to be carried out. In the final analysis, with an autopsy those of us left behind might have had less uncertainty in our lives but the lives of six of our fellow human beings would not have been so blessed.

Those of you who have volunteered to help with food (or otherwise) please contact Shanon Farrel, a wonderful neighbor who will coordinate these offerings. Anyone interested in bringing a meal or helping out, please send an email to Shanon at "shanon@calihom.com". It might also be helpful if you could share in the email what you would like to bring. This will help Shanon coordinate meals so that they are not getting the same dish on consecutive days or too much of anyone item.

Arrangements are now being made for us to celebrate Dorothy's life. The service will be held at 10:00 a.m. Saturday, November 17th at First United Methodist Church of Plano. The address is 3160 East Spring Creek Parkway. The invitation to attend is extended to everyone, whether you were close friends of Dorothy and her family or even if she only has touched your life in some way. Immediately following the service you are invited to Restland Cemetery located at 9220 Restland Rd. in Dallas where Dorothy's body will be laid to rest.

Mike and the Family have requested that PINK (NOT BLACK) be the dominant color at the SERVICES - it is expected that many of you, particularly the men, will have to be somewhat creative in fulfilling this request. If you are unable to attend services personally please consider donating in Dorothy's honor to the JOH at the web link shown below.

Mike and the Family have also requested that in lieu of flowers that the money that would have been spent on these symbols of mourning be better expressed in the form of donations to the Journey of Hope Grief Support Center (http://www.johgriefsupport.org/). Let's help Dorothy.
All might want to sign a guest book located at http://johgriefsupport.org/Barnett-Griffin/index.php - members of the family are reading all of these comments (as will as the ones on BeginnerTriathlete.com) and are overwhelmed at the response from across the country and from across the seas.

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IM FREE

DON'T GRIEVE FOR ME, FOR NOW I'M FREE
I'M FOLLOWING THE PATH GOD LAID FOR ME.
I TOOK HIS HAND WHEN I HEARD HIM CALL
I TURNED MY BACK AND LEFT IT ALL
I COULD NOT STAY ANOTHER DAY
TO LAUGH, TO LOVE, TO WORK OR PLAY
TASKS LEFT UNDONE MUST STAY THAT WAY
I FOUND PEACE AT CLOSE OF DAY
IF MY PARTING HAS LEFT A VOID
THEN FILL IT WITH REMEMBERED JOY!
A FRIENDSHIP SHARED, A LAUGH, A KISS
AH YESS, THESE THINGS I, TOO, WILL MISS.
BE NOT BURDENED WITH TIMES OF SORROW
I WISH YOU THE SUNSHINE OF TOMORROW.
MY LIFE'S BEEN FULL, I'VE SAVORED MUCH,
GOOD FRIENDS, GOOD TIMES. A LOVED ONES TOUCH.
PERHAPS MY TIME SEEMED ALL TO BRIEF
DON'T LENGTHEN IT NOW WITH UNDUE GRIEF.
LIFT UP YOUR HEARTS AND SHARE WITH ME
GOD WANTED ME NOW--
HE SET ME FREE


GOD BLESS DOROTHY AND HER FAMILY AND ALL THAT KNEW HER AND LOVED HER!!
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I am in tears reading this thread. My heart-felt condolences go out to all of Dorothy's family and friends at this sad time. I can only add that she left this world doing something she loved to do, something that must have made her feel good inside, and thats the only amount of comfort I can find in this...

I raced at Ironman Florida this year, after nearly drowning at Ironman Lake Placid this past July. I am a strong, long distance competitive swimmer, and not afraid of mass starts. I don't think that's the problem. I think it's possible that Dorothy may have suffered the same condition that I did in Lake Placid - SIPE (swimming induced pulmonary edema) - and didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. I feel I am truly lucky to have survived the swim in Lake Placid, and am trying to share information and raise awareness about this condition in hopes of preventing it from happening to other triathletes. So far, armed with knowledge about the condition, and the support of a fantastic medical team, I seem to have been able to control at Ironman Florida without incident.

When this first happened to me, I found a thread here on slowtwitch that has lead me to better understanding the condition, thanks the all the readers here. You can read the 'play by play' on 'trifan's' original thread on this forum "Coughing up blood. Formerly help w/medical mystery " : http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...&t=search_engine

I have also co-wrote and article with 'Trey', a fellow slowtwitch member and research scientist, who has been an AWESOME resource in helping me pull together and understand the condition in great detail. You can find it on the main page of slowtwitch : http://www.slowtwitch.com/..._Edema_SIPE__45.html

If someone can share this information with Dorothy's family, coach and friends, I would greatly appreciate it. I know it's a sad time, but perhaps if we can understand why it happened, it may not hurt so much. I feel something positive can come from this tragedy and we can collectively prevent SIPE from happening in the future - if nothing else, being aware of it may save another triathlete who's suffering in a swim in future.

So sorry, and sad.
Kat

5x Ultraman Finisher
18X Ironman Finisher
2013 Ironman World Championship Finisher
2012 Canadian Ultra Distance Female Triathlete of the Year
http://www.endurancetriathletes.com
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [elainex] [ In reply to ]
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Elaine and family,

When I read the story of Dorothy's accident I felt so bad for her children waiting for her on the beach. As the support crew for an athlete, it is our worst nightmare scenario. No matter how many races, it never leaves the back of your mind that something could happen.

I want to both extend my sympathy and commend Dorothy and the family for choosing a gift of life. Through your grief, now and into the future, please take some comfort that Dorothy lives on through others. It can never replace Dorothy, perhaps the thought can lessen the pain. In 1993 I received a double organ transplant and a second chance of life. Without that transplant I would not have lived. Not a day goes by that I don't think of how lucky I am to be alive.

I was not allowed to contact my donor's family. Every time I hear of a organ donation, I try to let the family know how much they did for others. It sounds like Dorothy would be happy to know she helped someone else to live.

Sue Bonness
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [katwoman] [ In reply to ]
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kat,

thank you for the information, i will look into that as one of the potential causes just in case her children want deeper answers as to the physical/medical "why's?" later in life. but one thing we do know, it was not a jellyfish that caused her initial problems.

thank you again.

peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
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Re: Prayers for IMFL athlete [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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sue,

thank you. i think that anyone who donates their organs truly appreciates life and the gift it is. and, yes, it does mean a lot. i know when her children get older and surf the waves of this internet, pieces of what their mom were will piece together with their personal memories and find a renewal of her spirit within them.

thank you for your thoughts.

peace & harmony,
elaine
'freedom must be exercised to stay in shape!'
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I'm still trying to get the address, if anyone out there knows it please let me know. I will be donating to the JOH foundation, but I would also like to send a personal card to the family. Anyone with this information please help me. Dorothy's story has touched many lifes (including mine--and I didn't even know her) and I would just like to let the family know!

Thank you,
Stephanie

Steph4tsu@yahoo.com
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