Also add:

Bell V1 Pro helmet
Skid Lids

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Nice list. I remember and have lived it all.

Sock Racers - best racing flat that Nike ever made. They only lasted for about 4 - 5 races - It was best if you were sponsored :) - but if these things fit your feet, it was like racing barefoot, but with the perfect amount of padding.

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How about the first Uber triathlon cyclist Marc Thompson?

how bout penaltys for help from the team cars. water bottles, etc.

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"3. Gookinaid"
- - Used to love that stuff. Tasted some few years ago because a century that I did was serving it. I was surprised that it's still out there. Yech, it didn't taste the same...

I just bought a pair of Adidas SL72s. I hope they aren't as disappointing!

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Here's 5 more:

11. Jan Ripple
12. Cross Training
13. Finish line tongue depressors
14. Pan Am
15. Jeff Tinley

Not just biathlon, but the Coors Light Biathlon Series....

Profile Aero 1 bars
Uni Disc covers
Suntour components
Avenir pedals
and all on a Norco Tri bike.

Dave Scott Ironman Master Centurion Tri Bike. With Bio-Pace rings!

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Mike

Etto Helmets
Gatti Wear
The Buckingham Brothers (Wally and Wayne)
John Duke and Murphy Reinshreiber racing 35-39
Moonlight Aero Pads
Tuesday Run (Rancho Santa Fe)
Joel Thompson
George Hoover
Joanne Ernst
Coors Lite Biathlon Series
George Pierce
Andy Carlson
Tony Richardson-Triathlete Magazine Cover-boy
Shannon Delaney-Traithlete Magazine Cover-girl
Zunow Bicycles

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Kurt Luoni
US Sales Manager
Orca Wetsuits

   1: The good old days when you didn't need a Phd in engineering or excercise science to be able to train for Ironman.
2:When people actually partied hard before and after Ironman.
3:When recoveries were done in the pub.
4:When we all just got along and had fun!
5:The Pioneer Triathlon Team

A few more:

The Puntous twins
the Nishiki Altron
the original Timex Ironman

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Swimming Workout of the Day:

Favourite Swim Sets:

2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Anyone have pictures or can explain the seat shifters? This is the second time this week that someone mentioned them.

Marty's in Kona
Bud Light Series Final switching between Moonlight and Solana Beach every other year
Hilton Head
Rosarito Beach Triathlon
using surfing wetsuits for races in Mexico
Tinley with a mustache

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Kurt Luoni
US Sales Manager
Orca Wetsuits

The Puntous twins (drat someone beat me to this one)
Desert Princess Duathlon
Topline/Kooka or other silly-light cranks
neon Tri-Fit brand clothing
Pierogies
Leon's Tri (let's put the bike course on the freeway)
Tom Warren
Rob Mackle
J-Discs
Beers at the finish line when you did any Bud Light USTS race
Hoshi (so sharp they'll filet your fingers) bladed spokes
Dr. Matt Brick
Pyro Platforms
...and Emilio before her wore DeSoto clothing :)

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Michael in Fresno
"Do you spend time with your family? Good. Because a man that doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man" V. Corleone

a. POWERCAM Cranks
b. Tri-Fit clothing
c. That weird cable harness thing Mark Allen wore on the bike in Kona one year (bonus if you remember what year)
d. Profile framesets
e. Kirsten Hansen, Joy Hansen, Lisa Laiti, Julie Olson, Beth Mitchell
f. Rob Mackle, Jeff Devlin, Sean Molina

Paul Huddle when he was skinny

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Kurt Luoni
US Sales Manager
Orca Wetsuits

don't have a pic of the seat shifter but it's something that connected to your seat and allowed you to ride ether very steep or very shallow with a flip of a knob that connected to your handlebars. I never used one and frankly didn't see a whole lot of use but some very fast people did use them. I believe Mike Pigg did.

  6: Headway helmets
7: Flouro Speedos
8: Joanne Ritchie
9: Lynne Macallister
10: Lynn Van Dove
11: Ric Wells

I have only been around 10 years but I wish that they still had Quick Discs.

Profile Aero 1 bars
Uni Disc covers
Suntour components
Avenir pedals
and all on a Norco Tri bike.


Crap, I still ride Suntour and use an Avenir trainer. ;-(

when asics were tigers
when a HRM was two fingers on your neck
when the only way to order from Performance was by telephone
when energy bars were bananas

That weird cable thing might have been about 1990. I bought one from HED about that time I think. It seemed to work but it could have been dangerous if your crashed. I used it in one "biathlon".

        The Slingshot!They were pretty funky.

1: The good old days when you didn't need a Phd in engineering or excercise science to be able to train for Ironman.

Amen, Nick!

It's getting way to complicated.

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Before Triathlete mag, there was Triathon mag, and before that Triathlon News, and Running and Triathlon News.. A few more names, Mike Plant, Jim Curl, Ken SHirk, Carl Thomas, Pat Hines , Sally Edwards, Tom Warren, Harold Johnson, Penny Little, Michel Gilmore, Kathleen McCartney, Ted Pulaski, George and Nancy Hoover, and Dr Ferddy Massimano.

Toe straps
External brake cables
36 cross wheels
changing clothes and tying shoes between events

Monty, If I recall this correctly my first tri suit was one similar to one you were wearing in a race called "The Mighty Hamptons" (I think). The suit was made by "Forte", not a great suit but it was ok at the time.

Kestrel 4000
Grip Shift
QR lycra seat covers
Trimble mono carbon frame
Nishiki Alien NFS
Coke series singlet
the original Niagra Triathlon (with a 50 degree no wetsuit swim) 1986
Ray Browning
Collen Cannon
Lisa Lahti
Kirsten Hansen Ames
Andrew McNaughton
Andrew McMartin
Kevin MacKinnon as a pro
Exceed
Terri Smith Ross
Sue Schlatter
Augie Marmelo
those last few require you to have some Canadian in your blood
....I'm gonna have to go pull out the old Tri mag collection now and one up you guys. Seems one too many car accidents has left my memory failing

Thompson Timeless Transition pedals. Platform pedals for running shoes, created I believe by Joel Thompson of Biathlon fame. Are they still around?

 - Goodie / schwag bags at at races.
- Discounts at pre race expos.
- race day signups.
- Dans Equalizer race in Oceanside.

Banana Wham

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I have a picture of me riding in a triathlon with a cycling cap on backwards. I guess not all tris required helmets in the early 80s. I know we only wore them in races because we had to back then.

Not a trithalon publication, but Winning magazine was always good.
Avenir Helmets
The original Bell aero helmets, one of which I still own
Zinca
Sampson Clipless pedals

1. Aero bars, what are those?
2. Dolphin running shorts
3. ERG
4. Bud Light at the end of races
5. Wet suit, you mean like for surfing?
6. Nike, the best running shoe.

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Leon's Tri? I am right now wearing that shirt from 1991. It has three bicyclists at the bottom, orange, lime green, yellow, violet, and more. It says Leon's Tri-Fed.

rtk

When I ride indoors I wear my biking shorts saying rst, made for anyone who was around that newsgroup, all arranged by Slowtwitch. I think I had a shirt too and I think both were made by DeSoto.

rtk

Driving to the Wildflower triathlon and parking in the lot that is the current transition area and walking a few short yards to transition. Shuttle busses??

Dolphin shorts, yea. Remember when the young cuties started wearing them like all the time? Most probably weren't even runners but they looked fine in those shorts.

I loved Winning magazine!

A few more:

Colleen Cannon
Joanne Ernst
Julianne White
Julie and Bill Leach

I still have a pair of the Scott DH bars and those Oakleys.

clm

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Winning was the best. I still have a copy from 1992 with Big Mig on the cover.

16. A piece of elastic sewn together as your race belt
17. No such thing as trail shoes
18. Mt. Bikes with no shocks
19. Run, Bike, Swim Triathlons
20. Sam Posey doing color for ABC Ironman coverage
21. Liz Downing
22. "No public nudity" signs in transition
23. Running magazine
24. Spenco Frost Guard
25. Nice Triathlon
26. Bill Rogers running gear
27. Frank Shorter running gear
28. Tinley wear

My $350 Centurion RS with a lycra seat cover (1987 model - first year of Shimano index shifting, I think)
Vetta helmets & seats
Shimano 600 components
Bio-pace chain rings
Exceed
The Big Four
Tinley clothing

I've got a picture somewhere of Rob Mackle leading on the bike at the Orlando Worlds in... 91? And he was riding a Profile frame.

Man, so many of these "do you remember" things I've actually USED! There was a Nishiki Beta NFS on ebay a few weeks back. And an Alien MTB just last week or so.

ERG, DH bars, Uni-Disc covers, Scott clip-ons (without pads)... Those were the days.

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Michael in Fresno
"Do you spend time with your family? Good. Because a man that doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man" V. Corleone

$30 to race an OD and $60 to race a Half Ironman...

 This list is for the IMC 25th Anniversary
13:Finishers drinking beer instead of Gagtorade at the awards for IMC.
14:The pros were the drunkest people at the IMC awards after-party.
15:IM finishers actually turned up at the IMC after-party.
16:The 2am naked run from the IMC after-party down main street to the lake for a skinny dip.
17:Lothar drunk at the after-party
18:Brendon Downey drunk at the after party
19:Tinley drunk at the after-party
20:Ray Browning drunk after the Carbo-load
21:Ray drunk again three days later at the after-party
22:Chuckie V drunk podium dancing without his shirt on at the after-party
23:The Hogman Dash.
24:Tom Price winning IMC wearing those Aqua sock/waffle sole things

How times have changed!
Don't even get me started on IMOZ

Tri-Fed
The original Specialized Transition
Tinley brand clothes (pre-Reebok?)
underwear elastic for a number belt
Kenny Souza with bigger hair than Twisted Sister

....when men wore speedos and women considered that sexy.

....and women wore V leg bottoms and men considered that sexy. Wait, men still do!!!

And a smaller speedo than most thongs!!!!

oooh...almost forgot..Bullfrog sunscreen and
coloured zinc oxide (from the 80s lifeguard scene in Oz)

The class of Valerie Silk who, after meeting me just once in the days prior to the 1991 IM, was terribly attentive after my 13 hour finish and encouraged me to "get an IV and you'll feel better in an hour." She had sold the race a few years earlier, but her presence out there was such a positive thing.

[reply]Leon's Tri? I am right now wearing that shirt from 1991. It has three bicyclists at the bottom, orange, lime green, yellow, violet, and more. It says Leon's Tri-Fed.
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oh, leon's!!!! my first nationals, 1993. he was a full-on character. i loved biking on the empty freeway. i still have that long-sleeved shirt and wear it.
peggy

I had a dave scott centurion ironman bike...yellow and white with DH bars.....
and i also had a short sleeve wetsuit custom fitted by the tinley shop......
big bear lake tri series.....I think DeSoto use to win those!
and dont forget all those crazy colors....
what was I thinking!

Babbitt with a full beard
Ron Smith kicking everyones ass....at 50 years old
Bill Hippe
Garrett McCarthy in Irish National Team gear
Greg Welch breaking his collarbone in Kona at midnight finish-line debauchery
Sue Osborn
Tri-Prix Oceanside
Jumbotron at Ricoh LA Ironman
Doug Roberts birthday pub crawls
Bud-Light Bakersfield Triathlon
Cowman when he wasnt banished from Ironman
Oakley Factory Pilots
Teladyne Carbon Frames
Vitus Aluminum frames
Aerolite pedals (I bet Tinley still has a few boxes)

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US Sales Manager
Orca Wetsuits

Aleeda Wetsuit with short lycra sleeves
Shimano Pedals were LOOK compatable
And what was that pressurized neoprene/surgical tube behind the seat drinking system???

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Representing:
De Soto Clothing
Marin Bicycles
Chariot Carriers
Karhu Skis
Kayland Boots
Nemo Tents

Bud Light Bakersfield - my first race in 1982.

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And the colours of the speedo! Fluorescent yellow, bright pink to name a few.

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." George Bernard Shaw
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Qualifying for Hawaii? What do you mean??

Mark Allen? Never heard of him

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That is scary photo of me.

I will take you farther back with a few that I am sure Slowman and Monty and very few others will know or remember:

When they moved Ironman from Oahu to Kona (I believe it was 1981)

or
When they shortened the USTS run from 15K to 10K (1983-1984)

or
When they had moved Ironman from February to October (1982) to give those that did not live in San Diego the entire summer to train for it. There were two Ironman races that year.

or
When I showed up at Ironman 1983 with purple hair

or
When Wildflower was an art Festival that included a triathlon and you could sign up the morning of the race

or
When they did not permit wetuits at the Escape from Alcatraz (I did it twice without it)

or
The Monterey Bay Half Ironman distance race

or
The Ricoh Ironman held in Santa Monica in the spring of 1984. It was the first Ironman (TM) race outside of Kona.

or
The World Wildlife Fund Ironman distance race held in Manhattan Beach in August of 1983 with a huge prize purse, won by Tom Brady.

or
The Kauai Loves You Triathlon (1984) that was swim, run, bike, and all entrants got a Pink T-Shirt that had a cow with an egret on her back.

or
Forte Clothing

or
When they weighed you at the half way point of Ironman.

or
When Monty and Kim Bushong raced Ironman in leopard print trisuits.

or
The very first pro triathlon race, the Malibu Triathlon (self proclaimed) National Championships in October 1982, where they pulled 1/3 of the field out of the surf with hypothermia, won by Ferdy Massomino.

or THE HUMAN RACE Triathlon in Newport Beach that started with a 25 criterium style draft legal race, followed by a 10K run, followed by a 1000m swim.

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I was watching sport on TV last year and on came a road race somewhere in the NE US, and the Puntos twins appeared on the screen! Took me back to a race I did in Milton Ontario years ago and they were there. Based on how old they looked, I realized I'm pretty old now too. :-(

I have an original Timex IM watch. Orange and black, 8 laps. I now have it mounted on my wall, in a museum quality shadow frame, with my first IM finish time engraved on the back. It looks funny now, beside my wifes great grandmothers watch in a similar frame, particularly since the antique watch (pocket watch style) has a retaining strap made of intricately braided hair, my wifes great grandmothers hair in fact! (it was a craft thing ladies did in the evening, in place of needlepoint apparently) Sure my watch looks kind of pathetic beside that, but in 100 years, how many original Timex IM watches will still be around?

I also have an original steel QR tribike (650 of course) that I'm restoring for posterity too (complete with 8speed Gripshifters! :-)

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

Leons QEM drink, I still have a Dave Scott bike (I'll take offers), How about those styrofoam wings you put on your arms and calfs, Shannon Kurek had some.

rtk,

Are you, me, Tricia and QRman (aka slowman) the only ones that still remember RST?

RST is how we met. My daughter occassionally wears the T-Shirt you brought her back from Kona years ago. All the boys pay attention because it fits very revealingly. Who would have thought a fashion horse like her would still wear a 11 year old shirt, especially when she's only 19 now!

I never got any rst gear, but I still have a QR racing singlet (also DSS) that I bring out when I do 'retro' races that pop up here from time to time. My fat guts hanging out highlights the reason why crop tops thankfully died a natural death (except for the fas guys) long ago. My flouro Tinley tri shorts get dragged out to finish the ensemble.

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

I almost bought a Slingshot, but ended up with my first QR. Slingshots were waaaaaay cool!

The willingness to experiment in the early days of triathlon was fantastic. Everyone trying to find out a faster way, while cyclists looked down their noses at us....then adopting just about every one of our great ideas!

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

I just ordered and received 2 QR seat covers (neoprene I think you mean, instead of lycra) and I swear by them. I have them on my commuter bike and race bike. And that's on top of a gel seat! The ride is like sitting in a Cadillac....mmmmmmmm

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

Kiwi's were famous for causing the advent of the "no-nudity in transition" rules.

In fact, at a local 1/2 IM race here in NZ, the race director still activley and publicly encourages nudity in transition atthe race briefing, and quite often has good prizes for women that do the 'full monty'! He also has prizes for those that complete the "4th event" after the half IM. (You have to be able to convince your partner to go up on stage to corroborate the claim) That competition is so popular now, he has had to introdude a Masters Division.

Gotta love Hooksie. Man after my own heart :-)

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

you did not have to wear a hard shell helmet at Ironman,
the shorter distance LA Ironman that finished on the Santa Monica pier,
the top pro's showed up at any race where there was any money,
changing with a towel wrapped around you (if anything)
waiting 6 weeks to get any details on the Ironman except a paragraph in the paper.
Dave Scott having the fastest swim, bike, and run times in Oct '82 race. Eisentraut bicycles,
No wetsuits allowed,
Centurian Triathlon (ironman distance, did Jeff Tinley win that?) in Redondo Beach

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Team Zoot So Cal

Legend has it that IMNZ, in St Heliers, was the first IM outside of Kona. They have their 25th anniversary next year I think, making it 1 year older? than Santa Monica. I could be wrong however.

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

1987, the same year that he finished with internal bleeding.

For the Chicago triathlons in the 1980s we were required to get our bikes certified for safety at a LBS before the races and get a safety sticker to put on the bike. The LBS hassled me because I wanted to do my first Chicago Triathlon on my 10 speed K-mart bike. What BS.
I still have my plastic yellow J-disc and my orange and blue Bodyglove wetsuit which was made of some non-rubber material. Ah, the good old days.

You mean the yellow and black ones? I loved those.

Scott Molina had a helmet named after him ? :) :)

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"You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream" - Les Brown
"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment" - Jim Rohn

"Dave Scott Ironman Master Centurion Tri Bike. With Bio-Pace rings!"

Still got my magenta and gold one. Three of my daughter's previous boyfriends have used it so far. Her fiancee is using it at Accenture this year. He better not break it.

"Beers at the finish line when you did any Bud Light USTS race"


Those 6-7 beers tasted great. Even back then before the Internet I knew how important proper hydration was post-race. I started thinking about the finish line beers at about 4 miles into the run. Great motivation.

[reply]rtk,

Are you, me, Tricia and QRman (aka slowman) the only ones that still remember RST?
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hey, what about me? i have a ticket to the rst ball, too. remember when we were all to meet up at worlds in cleveland, and to find you with a protest sign (against the itu, as i recall) and blonde ponytail? we met all sorts of people through rst, and it was lots of fun.
peggy

I had that sign from Cleveland for a long time

"drafting IT sUcks" was what it said.

I stole that from the back of Peter Reids shirt at a 1/2 IM in Collingwood Ontario in about '94 I think.

Les McDonald had his security team chasing me most of the day. I got right behind him for one of his TV interviews! Good fun. Got the sign into the finish line photos in '96 when Simon Lessing won. Had to dash to get away. Had to dash away again when I was perched atop a nearby statue with it and Clevelands finest came after me. Luckily being short, I was able to scurry away in the crowd at the finish line.

A few years ago at IMNZ, someone stole it. I should make another one...bigger this time, just to remind IMNZ competitors to stay draft legal.

Peggy, when you coming back south again?

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TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

Buckets of water in transition

Hi Nick,

I had those Sock Racer's until a few years ago, ran my fastest IM marathon that day, a 3:12 I think.
No Socks,
no watch,
no hat,
no runs in training over 13 miles.
Just water, Coke, a speedo, a singlet and some Pink and white Oakleys (Blades on the run, Used the Factory Pilots on the bike).

Oh, and 4 or 5 beers with the Budweiser Canada guys at the finishline, beats the heck out of going off to the doping control.

Priceless!

ahhh the Oakley Razorblades..my all time faves
anyone remember the company that sold kilts for chaing in TZ? Wish I'da bought one of them

>>Are you, me, Tricia and QRman (aka slowman) the only ones that still remember RST? <<

Nope, me too! And remember....slowman used to be called qrman?

>>Gotta love Hooksie. Man after my own heart :-) <<

Ah yes he is. I need to get back there and do his race again. And the party after!

clm

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Your daughter is 19, TriDork? How can that be? She's not even 4 feet tall. Besides, you're barely over 19. If all that is true, I'd better go look in the mirror. Shopping bag and tennis shoes is what I see. Can't be me, of course.

Two notes down you say you just got two new neoprene (of course not lycra) seat covers. I didn't know they were still available. They are perfect and I'll find where to get them and get more.

rtk

Scott Extreme bars .... I think Welch had those on his softride when he won Kona.

I remember thinking that the J-disk/JDF combo in pink or white was the coolest wheelset ever.

I used to have a sleeveless, front zipp, rough coated wetsuit ..... it kept me warm though and was the easiest one I've ever had to remove :)

ha!

i rode a Slingshot for quite a while, up until 2 years ago. here's a pic from maybe 10 years back. crazy as it looked, it was a very comfortable ride. too bad the outfit pretty much abandoned road frames. they are hq'd an hour drive from me.

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1) Scott 100K bars
2) Specialized Sub-6 helmets that were truly sub-6 ounces (foam only- no outer plastic)
3) The Original Giro long-tailed aero helmet
4) Modolo Kronos components made of carbon fibre
5) Campy Delta brakes
6) KHS aero turbo frames mades of True Temper aero velo steel tubing (and had the seat tube curving around the rear while LONG before a certain popular tri bike)
7) Huffy road bikes that were high-end (one even made it on the cover of Triathlete magazine)
8) Original white Look pedals, with cleats that had the float adjustment kits
9) funnybikes
10) Raleigh Technium
12) Nishiki was somewhat popular at one time
13) Sun Mistral rims
14) Zipp 3000 tri spokes
15) Specialized tri spokes that were heavy as hell and cost an unspeakable amount of money
16) Sweet Wings cranks and stems (I had both)
17) Cannondale 2.8
18) Tinley wear in flourescent colours
19) That funky-ass behind the seat water bottle system
20) Christophe toe straps- the still-preferred method of carrying spare tubulars; yes, they were on my Campy Record toe-clip pedals.

and one last one:
21) The original Zipp disc that weighed a ton, and it was still lighter than anything Hed had put out at that time

I could probably list 100 weird old retro items from the birth of tri (and before), but I haven't had my morning cuppa yet.

Shimano Pedals were LOOK compatable

yes, I had a pair, and I preferred them to the Look models.

         Hi Tom,you forgot to mention the super-aero haircut you had when you won that day.I hope that you guys are all being honoured at IMC this year.We haven't heard anything about what they are doing for the 25th anninversary yet.It would be great to see all the old IMC champs together.

- Kestrel 4000 - carbon fiber! Mick Taylor rode the first one I ever saw.

-Hamilton Satui bikes with 24" wheels - PNF

- Bikestreams: rubber bladders that you pumped full of fluids. A hose ran from behind the saddle to your handlebars and you bit on the end of the hose to release the fluids. Besides the difficulty in actually pumping up the bladder, the nozzle had a tendency to jam open spraying you with fluids.

- Oakley Factory Pilots - reminded of these every time I look in the mirror. Had a nasty bike crash and face-planted on the pavement. The outline of the Factory Pilot frame is still visible as a scar on my right cheekbone.

- Changing attire between Swim and bike and even bike and run. The first time I saw someone do an entire race in a speedo was a revelation (Rich Brown). Of course, rules didn't require 'covered torso' back then either. Nike came out with a one-piece trisuit and InSport Dave Scott came out with a padded (mini-chamois) speedo and transition times improved dramatically.

- Leppin Squezzies - first gel that I ever used.

I had a bikestream years ago. They worked great but after a season of use the bladders got pretty nasty. They were the grandparents of the Never reach system :)

Trimble bikes are another retro 80s/90s funky idea.

Trimble - forgot about them. There was a pro from London (Ont) that rode one. Rob ??? - red hair. Al - you likely ran against him at University.

Shimano Pedals were LOOK compatable

I had these as well and I kept using them for a number of years after they stopped making them, but unlike Lance Armstrong (Who used the same set up) I did not have Shimano sending me boxes of the discountinued pedals every year :)

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It is actually amazing what a large-sized manufacturer will have lying around after a product is discontinued, especially if a celebrity endorser prefers the product. I can site a few examples of what a manufacturer *could* have lying around; but if I am too public about it, I won't get a crack at future deals.

Lance was one guy, so it is feasible for Shimano to have supplied him with obsolete stock for as long as they did. I imagine there was at least one prototype pedal sent to him yearly along with the Shimano Look pedal. Also, the R&D department could easily remanufacture the pedal...

I got rid of my ShimanOOK pedals when I tried Keywins.

I remember that guy back around 1990/1991. He was a pretty fast runner. His was the only Trimble that I actually remember seeing "live". I was a rookie in the sport then and thought that a Trimble with a J disk would have been the coolest thing going.

Remember that carbon disk cover that I had. Some small company based in Elmira I think. I can't remeber the name of it but they had a big exclamation mark on the side and would be a nice option to put on some of todays wheels to make them go fast.

Here you go....Seatshifter, Bikestream hydration bladder dealio, old skool Profile bars with even older skool Grip Shifters, Mavic pedals, and an old Caddy in the background....all just for you.

Michael



Edit: Even way back when I was racing in the Biathlon Series in Southern California I had enough sense to make sure my bike pictures were in the big ring. :-)

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Tri2Hover...making flat coke since September 9, 2006.

I have a couple gift certificates for those wheel covers from Elmira. Cannot recall the company name.

What was the name of the magnesium-framed bike that looked vaguely similar to a Trek Y-frame?

- aerolite clipless pedals. Scott Tinley ued these in his pre-aerobar Hawaii assault complete with a Vision Tech-like carbon base bar with significant drop, shoe booties, aero helmet, etc...1985? Didn't he buy a crate full of these pedals after they went out of business?

was I the only one with fiber flite spokes?

Dude...love the white Turbo saddle...I wore out more than a couple of those!

I was riding with a friend who was using his front race wheel with fiber flite spokes - a J Disc mylar deep rim. We went around a corner where there was a bit of loose gravel and my tire flipped up a pebble that hit one of his spokes. A very loud snap echoed and, sure enough, the pebble had shattered his spoke. He sent it back to J Disc for repair and, 15 yrs later, is still waiting for the wheel to be returned.

Yeah, those things would wear out and turn grey on top. Of course you could then stick on the self-adhesive neoprene seat pad for riding "steep" that used to be cool.

Also, can't forget to mention wearing anything neon and still being cool.

Michael

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Tri2Hover...making flat coke since September 9, 2006.

Ruth,

1) I'm well over 19, although in my minds eye I'm still there. My multitude of past ski and cycling injuries, my arthritis, and my recent heart issues all conspire to remind me daily, of my advancing years.

2) My daugher IS 19 however. So georgeous that I wonder daily what ugly kid her real parents got by mistake. Wonderful kid. Decidedly average in so many ways that she is nearly perfect....if she would just tidy her room :-)

3) QR seat covers are still available! I got some just a couple of weeks ago. The last few times I've got them, the Mr Flitie hasn't been available, so I've had to go with the Mr Softie and cut to fit my saddle, glue and stitch myself. Takes about 30 minutes once you've done it a few times:-) I get mine from either Nytro (a few years ago) or most recently Colorado Cyclist.

4) I still use my original QR twinkletoes too. I have some other brand of whole shoe cover for cold days, but the Twinkletoes are great for early starts on chilly mornings, without causing overheating later in the morning after the sun comes up.

Glad to hear you're still cruising the tri chat scene. Are you still racing?

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"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

If you can call it racing, yes. I've been doing sprints for the last 7 years, following a bit of calamity. This year I said To hell with calamaties or some such little phrase and I entered nationals. My swimming is just fine, I manage to stay vertical on the bike, and I leave transition 2 in style, that is to say sorta running, and I'll make sure I return that way. No one will know I was hobbling in between. I am in one piece and feeling great, but I had to defy a few odds to do it.

Of course I still use my QR twinkletoes. I went to the QR site to order the seat cover, but the site was really a mess of clever and useless methods for ordering. Invisible writing and such. So I ordered 2 from DeSoto and while I was on his page splurged on 110 buck shorts.

rtk (aka ruth)

Nick

My brother was sponsored by Headway when they were based in Mona Vale - we must have had 50 helmets around the house at some times - their aero helmet by today's standards - actually rocked!

Last December I proved one of my favourite sayings

"You can do a 1/2IM on no training"

I also proved that you cannot do a 1/2 IM WELL on no training. Managed a personal worst, but like my previous personal worst race, I had a blast, making new friends, encouraging other non-trainers and cajoling friends while they headed to the finish line while I was still heading for the turn-around.

I am actually doing longer and longer stuff as I get older. That short stuff just hurts too much. I just can't force myself to suffer at high intensity and high heartrates (that my cardiologist has banned me from anyway), but I can chug along for a long long time without too much problem.

Good luck racing this season. I just had my first really cold ride to work after a wonderfully long, warm autumn. At least there wasn't a cloud in the sky,it was just pretty chilly.

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"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"

          I used to have the Aussie team colour one and you could see me from miles away.That was my favourite helmet ever.Wish I could get my hands on a couple now.

where is bill leach. we have a couple of scores to settle on the road...............

Adam had the Aussie team colored one too with his name laminated into it along with his other sponsors including J-disc. Saucony and Canondale.
the cool ones he had were lime green, flouro orang�and a couple of thai dyed style psychodelic patterns.

he used to hand off a ton of helmets to us except his Aussie team helmets.

ahhhh the memories!

I was riding the Trek 1200 back in 1988...the black one with the neon pink graphics...105 in that cool slate grey polished finish...and Scott DH bars on the front. I remember wondering why I had to get the size 52 to have it feel "right" when in the aero position (my normal road bike size is 54)...just a few years later I discovered QR and Dan's perspective on aero bikes...then I knew why...

Anyway...I had pink bar tape and a white turbo saddle on that rig...very LOUD...

Remember in the mid-80's just dropping trou and changing in T1? Back then there were no "no-nudity" rules. I remember my GF at the time came to a race and couldn't stop talking about it afterward.

I not only remember most of this stuff, I still have a lot of it. I still do sprints on my Kestrel 4000 with Scott Clip-ons, J-Disc, 7-speed GripShift (I still like it much better than bar-ends). Also on there is a Suburban Machinery forward Titanium seatpost. Anyone remember those?

I also have a SeatShifter that is on my trainer bike that I am on all the time. Picked it up for 10 bucks at a swap meet a few years back and it still works perfectly. Those goofy things cost like $175 when they came out or I might have tried one back then.

I still have one of the Jetstream drinking systems also - haven't used that in a while, but it was pretty cool. 48 oz in a bladder that started out the size of an egg. I think I stopped using it after the race where I went over some tracks and the tube came loose and Gatorade exploded all over me and my bike and it took me forever to clean up the bike - all in the gears and everything.

I also still have a pair of the Arc Bars on my trainer bike. These were the first clip on aerobar ever made I believe - Ken Glah rode them for years and used to endorse them.

I also have one of those contraptions that was out for a few years that looks like a sissy bar on a kids bike. Anyone remember what that thing was called? It mounted on the back of your saddle and the idea was you could get way back in the saddle going uphills and push back as hard as you could and it held you in the seat. I don't think I ever raced with that one - looked too damn goofy, but I still have it downstairs with all the other old gizmos.

Shit I'm old.

we must have had 50 helmets around the house at some times

I don't like to say it, but when I started out cycling in the early 80's we did not wear helmets when training. It was only in triathlon races that we wore helmets. This was the case with me up until, I am guessing some time in the mid to late 80's when the helmets had evolved beyond the Skid Lid and the Bell V1 Pro and I started wearing a helmet full time. I am loath to admit it but there was something very cool and liberating about riding down the road with the wind blowing in your hair. I would never do this today, and I always wear a helmet no matter what type of riding I am doing - even riding the beater bike to the store to pick up some milk and a loaf of bread.

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I think Suburban Machinery is STILL around!

Here's another name from the past: Aerosports.

All of us old-timers can remember the stuff they put out, right?

I have fond memories living in Clearbrook , hammering down the street on my ten speed with foamie handle-bars coming back from the store. There was a feeling of being free and "one with the earth" when the wind is blowing through your hair.

Something I cringe at today. Thank god I never wiped out.

I don't even get on my bike without putting on a helmet.

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Hey, Cannucks, whatever happened to "Moose" up at IMC? That guy was unbelievable. Pics get extra credit.

hey Allan..that would be Pawsh! and I had one until I sent it south as part of the PS build for Tibbs a little over a year ago. Still an awesome cover after almost a decade

That's right ... the old Pawsh cover. I had one on my Centruian Ironman Expert, with 7 spd grip shifters, Suntour components, Avenir saddle and those old Scott clip ons with the "cut your forearm" arm rests. I had some decent races on that old bike.

> I have only been around 10 years but I wish that they still had Quick Discs.

Oh, yes. Those were awesome!!! Tasted like watered down grape cool-aid, but very effective. I might even have a temporary tatoo left somewhere in my box of tri-memories...

David W / FEY2K

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> Are you, me, Tricia and QRman (aka slowman) the only ones that still remember RST?

I remember RST when it was the place for tri-geeks to hang out online -- before the spammers and trolls ruined it.

Some of my best memories from RST:
- RST get-togethers before a race (USTS in Acworth, GA was one I helped organize)
- Tri-baby's tri-bars/brownies
- Great race reports
- Being a newbie, then helping other newbies

David W / FEY2K

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I used to have a signature...

I'm not a Canadian, but I remember Moose...Steve Wallick if my memory serves me correctly...from Moosejaw, SAS....he was a fireman. Was the eternal "runner-up" behind Ray Browning's winning streak in Penticton.

Wasnt Moose like 190 lbs????

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Whatever happened to J-Disc? I had an old white one but out sold it a few years back. They were flimsy but must have been cheap to make and repair.

Ten Speed Drive Imports ads
Tinley clothing
Nishiki NFS Altron...like the one I still have.
Texas Hill Country triathlon...one of my old fav's.
the Thor-Lo ad with the guy dong the run leg in his socks

17. No such thing as trail shoes

I call you on this one. I made my first visit the US in 1981, and bought a pair of Nike Lava Domes, which were the precursor of contemporary trail shoes (*) I did so having already worn a couple of pairs of Welchs, the quintessential UK fell running shoe (which by the early 2000 could be seen in the windows of fashionable shoes stores in Firenze, I kid you not). Trail shoes were definitely in place for the early history of this sport, but nobody wore them.

(*) Nike's ad campaign for these involved mentioning a couple of summits that had been conquered in their existing running shoes and saying "we think thats cool, but we'd rather offer you a pair of shoes that are actually meant for that kind of thing"

Aerosports - they made one of the earliest carbon bars. In fact, I have the Aerosport carbon pursuit bard on my indoor trainer bike, a Nishiki Triathron (yup, that is how it is spelled). The bike also has a 'Torque Platform' forward seatpost gadget - mounts between the top of the seatpost and the saddle to move the seat angle forward by a few degrees.

Brian

Souza's Mullet.

'nuff said.

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

1. Hawaii Ironman and Ironman Canada were the only ironman races
2. Almost all the best in the sport had mustaches (except the women)
3. Zofinger, Nice and the Desert Princess were premier events
4. "Biathlons" were popular and there was a friendly rivalry between triathletes and biathletes.
5. You remember the name change from Biathlon to Duathlon.
6. Triathletes put Zofinger on their race calender.

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Remember the 30 seconds or so when "Cyruthlon" was used as a name after "Biathlon" fell out of favor?

Digging deeper into the esoteric & weird tri-memory:
1. Team J-David.
2. Pioneer Tri Team
3. 1985 Ironman Tinley w/aero shoe covers & full aero gear vs Chris Hinshaw in cutoff Tshirt fresh from the fields of IL.
4. Djan Madruga
5. Lisa Lahti--maybe the hottest female triathlete ever.
6. Exceed Energy Drink---still have 4-5 gallons that expired in the early 90s that still work quite well.
7. Leon's Q.E.M. Energy Mix. It was pink. Great triathlon though.
8. The original Dura Ace 6 speed index system.
9. Gallie/Campagnolo anondized components.
10. Drilled brake levers, chainrings, shifters---it was all about weight.
11. 1982-1984 Dura Ace Aero---ahead of its time.
12. Campagnolo clipless pedals---shiniest 1 1/2lb hunks of metal on the market.
13. Zipp carbon frames---still popular & faster than just about anything currently produced.

And some strong names from the midwest scene: Brian Boggs, Michael Smith, Jay Allardt.

It was just much simpler then.

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The cattle grids on the way up to Hawi

23. J-Disc, Pigg and Smyers raced them, Paula N-F then had J-Disc "deep wheels"
24. Avenir helmets, Pigg and The Man wore them
25. Centurion Ironman Dave Scott Master bikes, both Pigg and Dave rode them
26. MET Rx was the official drink in Hawaii in 1997?
27. Saucony ST's, named after Tinley
28. Nishiki NFS, named I believed by Kenny Souza, meaning "No F***ing S**t"
29. Profile having to settle with Scott after the patent of their Aero bars
30. Ironman/Anaheim Memorial Hospital Duathlon, Among the racers: Welch, Souza, Erin Baker, and a young dude wearing Montgomery/Subaru roadie clothes, Lance something...
31. Kona-Heads
32. Allen winning Hawaii on a Schwinn (?) and on a Huffy!
33. Allen's winning GT and bloody Nike uniform and shoes on display at the STARS cafe in New York's Time Square
34. Niketowns closing their doors at 8:07:45 p.m (after Mark Allen's Kona record)
35. Jan Ripple, mother-of-three
36. Edge Gear Tri Clothes, worn by Scott Molina

"5. Lisa Lahti--maybe the hottest female triathlete ever."

How about a pic for a reminder?

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"28. Nishiki NFS, named I believed by Kenny Souza, meaning "No F***ing S**t" "

The company line was that it stood for "Need For Speed". There's one on ebay right now...

"35. Jan Ripple, mother-of-three"

Yeah, had a thing for her too...

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"5. Lisa Lahti--maybe the hottest female triathlete ever."

Maybe???, She WAS the hottest female triathlete ever. I remember she did a photo spread in a tri-mag many years ago.

Didn't she get married to Simon Lessing?

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The Tri Shop.com

Buster...the beer drinking pig in St. Croix.

I remember back when it was possible to wear green and purple and still be fast.

-My first triathlon in 1985 wearing hightop converse basketball shoes during the bike
-My first real triathlon bike: Shogun Kaze with 24" front wheel, Biopace Chainrings, Aerolite pedals and Scott Clipons
-Those big Bell Aero helmets (late 80s)
-Oakley Eyeshades
-My buddy Gary getting "chicked" by Karen Smyers at a race in Boston (1990ish)
-Fred Klevan on a White Kestrel 4000 at the Staten Island Biathlon
-Killer Loop Biathlon in Harriman State Park
-Lance was a bad-ass triathlete

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Getting weighed after the bike leg....

Here you go Clutch about 20yrs a go.Not a bad bike fit if I must say so.[/img]

campy super record friction shifting
areolite pedals
oh yea that drinking system that fit under the seat, filled with fluid and air can't remember the name

toe clips


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It was called aero-stream.

BTW I still have my aero lites have used them since back in the day until 2 months ago when I switched to Zeros

101. Being the first one in upstate NY with aero bars and being told by pro bike racers that it is a piece of crap and a fad.

102. Doing Lake Placid and getting hypothermia because there was no such thing as wetsuits for triathlons.

103. Racing on a tri bike with 2 24" wheels. I am thinking of pulling it out of moth balls and racing on it. I have a feeling it wont be much, if any slower than my P2C

What a great freakin' thread.

Did my first tri in '87 and remember a lot of this. 1990 was the embodiment of the cliches--at Wildflower, rode my 24 pound PINK and Grey Nishiki International to my best ever bike split complete with Uni-disc, Scott DH bars, and Tri Fit top. Did the run in Nike air sock trainers which I continued to use on race days for a few more years. Even had a convo with Lisa Lahti while getting a post-race massage.
Back then the massage lines weren't so ridiculous and they were free.

Later "upgraded" to grip shift and the j-disc wheel. Since then my bike is nearly 10lbs lighter but that split is still 30 sec faster.

Fond memories as well of those amazing women, esp Jan Ripple, Lisa Lahti, Colleen Cannon, Kristen Hansen. Awe for Dave Scott, Scott Tinley, Jimmy Riccetello, that punk kid Lance, and stud Mike Pigg. Goddamn Pigg was amazing; he avgd 3mph faster on the bike than any one else at the San Jose budlight.

And how f'ing cool was it that Bud Light and Coors Light sponsored for so many years? Truly the golden age.
The thing I miss most though: World's Toughest Triathlon in Lake Tahoe '91, complete with Cowman for color.

Amazing that so much has passed!

Dude I'm dying. I still have 2 pairs of Sub 4 running shorts for notalgia. Not 6 months ago I put a pair on and it wouldn't even cover my nuts. I walked in the kitchen and scared the shit out of my girlfriend with 'the two headed wart' sticking out both sides. I might have weighed 150 soaking wet back then so they were nice and tight!

And if I still had my seat shifter I would run it. Best most underutilized invention simply because it was unaero and heavy.

1. zipp sub nine
2. vuka anything
3. carbon fiber
4. cervelo
5. aero tubing
Thats all I got.....wait maybe I should start a thread like
" You know your a newbie when all you can remember is..."

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1. Dave Scott Ironman Centurian ~ I have one as my trainer bike w the bio-rings, Miami Vice color scheme.

2. At the start of the race, "You guys ready? Ok, Ready, set, go!"

3. Wide World of Sports Coverage

4. When it was called Ironman, rather then a full ironman.

5. When nutrition was a pbj and a Powerbar was all the rage.

6. When you did not have to change shoes in t2

You bought Adidas SL72's, the best (training) shoe ever? Where did you get them?

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Racing in a leather helmet and Binda's with little buttons on the end so you could tighten them up before the sprint.

Looking wonderfully aero with two still unbroken collarbones and a face without a care or worry 25 years ago...

You've been around a long time when.....10 years ago or so we wondering how to run on destroyed knees. Glad to here your still out there crossing finishing lines!

Had my jetstream hydration system, which from the rear resmbled bull's balls, on my Purple C'Dale with purple anodized Sun rims and a Sampson Stratics crank with purple anodized chainring bolts. Gripshift and Sugino parts.

Remember Chris Hinshaw and his "neverlook" system; a mirror that you could stay aero with and never look up.

Great to hear the names mentioned....Met George Hoover...didn't he run a little bar in Solana Beach for a while? He was interesting. Yves Cordier, Joanne Earnst(sp?), Linda Bucannon, and small plastic straws on a chain to wear in a marathon to make drinking the cups of ERG easier.

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Met George Hoover...didn't he run a little bar in Solana Beach for a while? \\

Kind of a bar, but more a resturante..It was called the Kona Bar and Grill. Really great food and the look of many of the seafood Kona hangouts. Had many a party at that place. Not sure what happened, could have been the collapse of JDavid or just the wrong business at the wrong time...

That was it. I loved the place and George was great, spinning tales.

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I remember Wally and Wayne. They were great guys. Wonder where there are now?

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Glad to see this got started again. What fun!

Here are some new ones:

1.) "No Public Nudity" signs in transition
2.) Western Airlines
3.) Bike/Run/Swim Tris
4.) Sam Posey doing color for Ironman
5.) The Pamakids running club
6.) Pauli Kiuru
7.) LSD (not the drug)
8.) Schlitz Light Half Marathon series
9.) Cotterless cranks
10.) Bill Leach

My first bike was a centurion Dave Scott ironman expert with suntour gpx components, gripshifts, scott clip on bars, and the worst clipless pedals ever created ... Sampson. I also had the original aero drink system with the bladder (bikestream I think it was called) that mounted behind the saddle and fed the tube with the bite-valve that you had strapped to your frame and bars.

Lance Armstrong was in my age group my first tri. I beat him in the swim but lost by about 40 minutes in the end.

Lance Armstrong was in my age group in my 1st tri. I beat him in the swim but lost by 45 minutes in the end.

My first Road Bike was a Peugeot PKN 10. Gave it to my brother 20 years ago, who has it sitting outside a shed in his back yard all rusted and ugly. Probably ought to buy it back and put it in a museum!

First MTB was a 1982 or 1983 Fisher Montare, weighed about 32lbs. but with a 69 deg. head angle was almost a full on DH bike. Sold it to some poor College student for $250 then promplty the check bounced. Also, ought to have been kept as a museum piece. One of the very first production MTB's. Man did I thrash that thing. It was bombproof.

If you showed up at a race with a disc and weren't likely to place on the podium you were a poser...

>>centurion Dave Scott ironman <<

The yellow/lavender one? That was my bike and I rode that until 2000.

Another question for everyone: What was your first tri?

Mine was the Rinconda Tri in 1987 on the Stanford campus.

clm

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My first was the 2-Day FM Triathlon, Sydney,January 1986.We had to swim across the harbour under the bridge and all I could think about was the sharks.

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They are still here in north county. They have moved their competitive outlets into paddleboard racing where they are kicking ass in the 'old fart' division. Still pretty fit guys and the same characters they were in the 70's. As a reminder, they both raced the Fiesta Island race in 1974 won by my college grad adviser Bill Phillips.

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US Sales Manager
Orca Wetsuits

"You bought Adidas SL72's, the best (training) shoe ever?"
- - I can't find the site (been looking for over an hour). As I recall it was in S. America somewhere and they apparently still make the shoe there? Don't know, but they had a s**tload of them in every size and color.
Bad news is that they're nowhere near what I remember, so I've now moved on to the Vibram 5-fingers. Now THOSE are cool. I was interested in the SL72s as a minimalist shoe, but the 5-fingers redefine the concept of minimalism. I'm hoping to run barefoot once the weather gets better, but my legs have to learn how to run all over again. I'm amazed, because I've been a midfoot striker since forever and it took me zero days to adjust to the pair of Newtons I bought but my first run in the 5s about killed me. Running shoeless recruits a lot of lower leg muscles that have been sleepin' on the job for years...
Anyway, the SL72s were a major disappointment. After less than 50 miles of wear, I donated them.

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You were racing for over a decade when Pauli Kiuru showed up at Wildflower along with Wolfgang for their "North American swan song" race!
A decade before that your bought Scott DH bars after you read about Andrew McNaughton using them to clean the clocks of the big 4
You were using aerobars for 2 years before Greg Lemond beat Fignon on "triathalon bars" at the 1989 Tour de France


Dev

1) The Profile "Piggy Back"
2) Jurgen Zack's "passing blinker in Kona" on his aero bars
3) Renee Goldhirsh for the dubious honor of being the first triathlete to be busted for doping (life) that I can remember.
4) Exceed
5) Proflie Aero 1's
6) Mirage helmets with lycra cover
7) Bio-pace rings
8) Discipline Tri Wear
9) Nike Sock Trainers (not racers)
10) Bell Stratos helmet (aka Darth Vader Helmet)

I had those Sampson pedals. Actually, they were amazingly light. But when the cleats failed, you were screwed.
It's cool that he's still in business, though, still trying to innovate.

Amazing also how gripshifts have now become the mighty SRAM company. But bummer that Sugino, Suntour, and Centurion are all gone. And Nishiki has left the US.

And first tri, in response to other post, 1987 Budlight San Jose.

As far as tri-babes go, forgot to add Fernanda Keller! In 1988 at the Carlsbad Tri, saw the most rockin bod in history way up in front with the pro men. She's still kicking ass and looking great doing it.

not to hijack your thread -- but back in the early 1980s, Yukon Jack and Scoal were the sponsors of a cross country ski race series called the Great American Ski Chase -- as a high school kid -- this was the best motivator of all.

Imagine today if chewing tobacco and whiskey were served at a finish line of any event?

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I remember meeting this guy at my first Chicago tri:

The giant grey Polar HRM that was as big as an iPhone... all it did was show heart rate... nothing else.

Rip 'n Tear clothes/body fairings.

You've been around the sport a long time when you remember............. "transitions zones" where you just laid your bike down on the grass at the fringe of the beach by a lake!

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Racing on a road bike,
Toe Clips
Nike Air Mirhas (best racing flat ever).
Looking up to the Californians on Team J David
eating figs in a race
Peanut butter and honey sandwiches in the hot Kona sun.
Eating cold macaroni at 4 am on race days
complete changes in transitions
No wetsuits
No Powerbars, or fancy gels.
Forte Tri suits. Had a custom one made for Hawaii. I believe this was bought out by Emil Desoto.
Doing 10 mile runs at 5 am with Gordon Haller.
The Puntous Twins, Joanne Earnst, Harold Robinson, Chris Hinshaw, Monty and the great Erin Baker.
Having every Triathlete magazine ever published.
Remembering Dave Scott on the cover of the Triathlon Magazine.
Doing a race in 1987 when Lance was only 16
Nobody running and getting an ironman tattoo moments after finishing a race.
The Cape Cod Endurance Triathlon.
Julie Moss's famous crawl and the original winner Gordon Haller going by her with Kathleen McCartney
Knowing the names of every ironman winner.
John Dunbar's superman costume.
Holding the original trophy.

Now entering my 28th season over half of my life. Wow what a journey.

still wearing it -

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1. When race results were "mailed" to you.
2. 
   When you had to get your bike and helmet "inspected".
3. 
   When you had to acknowledge on the entry form that you had completed an open water swim before the race.
4. 
   When entry fees were ~ $40

kenny souza was the king of duathlon,

SIS (Shimano Index Shifting).






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Once, I was fast. But I got over it.

When you remember that most races were not even swim,bike,run yet.
When in many races you had your own car drive along with you for your support, no aid stations yet.
THere was no olymipc/international distance
When everyone changed clothes for each sport(except me)
When everyone tied their shoes(except me again)
When only Dave Horning and I had what you would call a tri suit
When Kenny Souza was fresh out of high school and doing his first ever bike ride(with me of course)
When the biggest races gave out steak dinners and elaborate trophies for the winners
When Scott Molina, Scott Tinley, Mark ALlen, Dave Scott, and most all of us still had day jobs
When you went to some strange Island with almost no one on it, and did some crazy race called the International Triathlon for the first time since it was moved from Ohau. And you remember it being called the Nautilus Triathlon before that....

Lance Armstrong was in a tri in Norman, OK that I was in when he was 15 yr old.....he crushed the field that day....who knew!

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Michael in Kansas
"Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit"
"Its not whether you get knocked down, it's whether you get up" Lombardi

How bout the days before clipless pedals.. toe straps and you nailed in the cleats to leather soles.

Bud Light biathlon T circa 1991

<<<Another question for everyone: What was your first tri?>>>

Coors Half Ironman in Olympia Wa. Sep. 1980

Freezing cold lake (no wetsuit), pouring rain on the bike (rode a Schwinn Paramount), nearly died of Hypothermia. Run was point to point to the Capitol of Wa. state. 3rd overall.

1) The Avocet computer
2) Mavic Retrofriciton shift levers
2) Vitus aluminum & carbon frames being totally cutting edge (including Sean Kelly winning P-R on the noodly aluminum one)

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The Mariah was followed closely by the duelest. Ah, the old days.



Duelest

Had a pair of Duelist with bright green trim...damn those were light, but didn't last long.

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- When you could ride your bike in the transition area.
- Raleigh Scott Tinley Technium Tri-Lite bikes.
- Penrod's Triathlon in Ft. Lauderdale.
- When you got DQ'd for drafting.
- Race photos were mailed to you and were tiny 1" photos.
- Team Fox Catcher

The Sally Edwards triathlon training book written in the early '80s. It was pretty good. I used it to train for my first tri in '83 (Caesar Creek) and still have a copy.

Ardis Bow - she was included in another book written by Edwards in the '80s that featured the training schedules of Allen, Molina, Tinley, Moss, Hansen, Puntous twins, etc.

How about the Radio Shack radio that you mounted on your handlebars. I never used one in a tri, but I had one when I first started to ride my bike as "training" in '73 or '74. I ran wearing the ear-muff-like radio headphones sold by The Shack in the '70s.

Wow! I wore that shirt everywhere! Had the sweatshirt and hat too! Hey......Does anybody know anyone who came down with the chickenpox after the Bud-Light Lake George 93 race. I did and the time line put it right at Lake George where the Pre-Race stuff all took place in the elementary school. Two weeks later and I was down and out big time. I ran a PR in a 5K (With a slight fever)days before it finally came on full blast.

I stopped drinking Coors light because they pulled out! Stopped drinking Bud Light when they pulled out. I hope Sammy A doesen't sponsor a tri series and pull out =0

Did my first Ironman on my Vitus Carbone 9. What a nice ride. Too bad it didn't hold up; started having "phantom" shifting on hills and finally figured out that the seat tube came unglued from the bottom bracket allowing about 3/4" of play every time I stepped on the pedals. Too bad for me I didn't figure that out until after biking IMMOO03 .

1981 Raymond Terrace Lions Club International distance

FinHalsa Bar
Gator Bar
Exceed Bar



this shirt was a freebie that some competitors got at IM Hawaii 1994 along with a box of 12 gatorbars, since they were the energy bars available on course that year. Best tasting bars ever.

What about Gatorgum?

x1,000,000

on the Air Mariah being the best racing flat ever.

I ran my second marathon in them, barefoot, 5 weeks after IMC and ran a 2:51.....I also set my half marathon PB that day with a 1:19.....I was going for broke or was going to blow up trying (yes, I positive split but sometimes you just give it!!!!)

I used the Air Mariah for every workout and every race for a period of around 3 years. It was a great day in day out shoe and weighed nothing!

NIKE, BRING IT BACK!

Dev

x1,000,001 on the Air Mariah. Best racing flat ever, my favorite shoe that Nike ever put out.

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"You can never win or lose if you don't run the race." - Richard Butler

.....Ruth (rtk) from the old boards---good to see you Ruth!

....Leon's QEM---welcome back this year!

....the Bud Light series had the coolest shirts EVER! The black one with high crew neck and the symbols on the neck-line in white.

....the Nike tri kit that was grey, blue and red and had mesh sides.

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Off-topic, but there's talk of them (kind of) bringing it back.

I sold a brand new pair a few years ago for $120 to a Japanese buyer. They set up a Hotel room suite as the buy site, and were looking for anything Nike. I happened to have a pair of Mariah's still fresh in the box brand new. Didn't think I'd use them so I off loaded them to these guys for what was probably about a 400% profit. Reality is they are now being worn by some guy in Japan for another 400% probably.

when heart rate monitor looked like this

"When only Dave Horning and I had what you would call a tri suit"
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After seeing Horning wearing his, I had one made by Emily K (a bicycle clothing maker in Santa Barbara back in the day). I think I still have that packed away somewhere. I also still have my very cool "LA Triathlon Series" mesh tank top and a lot of memories of you crushing those local races back then.

Haim

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"Why squirrel hate me?"

Air Mariah's were awesome. No support but for a lightweight runner they were great if no pronation issues. Air Pegasus Racers were pretty awesome too but if they combined those with a seamless interior they'd have a heckuva race flat--alter the lacing system slightly to include elastic laces to adjust on the fly there you have it. I have a "less than a dozen uses" on a pair of Nike Air Ghosts sitting in a box. But kind of a sloppy fit...

Oh, Exceed!
I remember our swim coach bought like thirty cases of the stuff when they went out of business (meaning, of course, that the expiry had long passed on all of it), and then we'd mix it in a giant gatorade bucket and leave it poolside until it got drunk. Man, it was funky after three days!

Dev,
I ran under 2:30 in the Miriah. Remember the original had a herring bone sole and after a few runs you had to shoe goo the soles to put extra tread to it.
Remember when the sport was pure and you raced for a beer.
All the races were long
I raced three years before I ever did a sprint and even that was .5 mile swim, 20 mile bike,5 mile run.
I actually did an ironman before I ever did a sprint tri.

Those were fun times how many people can say they were around at the beginning of a sport.

I drank Exceed during swim practice in high school. LOVED that stuff.

Also, without looking through this whole damned thread, I still have a Scott Tinley Performancewear t-shirt, the one with him on the bike with a landscape, a silhouette of a photo that appeared in Triathlete's Kona coverage from 1987.

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"The hero is someone in continual opposition to the status quo. The hero is always becoming himself." Jos� Ortega y Gasset.

"The enthusiasm (absorbing or controlling possession of the mind by any interest or pursuit) is needed before breaking the milestone and not after." Sergio Escutia, on Lukas Verzbicas' subdued reaction to breaking 4 minutes in the mile.

I had one of those!

Did not read through all the post (phew).

Remember when Chicago had two olympic distance races? One USTS and another just the Chicago Tri - about a month apart. I think this went on for several years.

1. Brent Steiner
2. Matthew Brick
3. How much ice cream Mike Pigg reportedly ate from "Pig's Trough" on a daily basis.
4. The Bolle Edge
5. Seeing your picture in Triathlete Magazine and having your roommates ask why you're getting your ass kicked by that girl.

My top 10
10. When Tiger became A6
9. No one knew how far a 5k was?
8. Scott DH bars looked cool
7. Timex watch was the coolest
6. Until just the last few years, people stopped asking, 'You did that in how may days?'
5. The whole draft legal debate
4. Races served Chilli even on a hot day in July
3. The last place in the world you could get a slot to Kona was Muncie
2. My Tri-Fed card!
1. Steve Locke lived and worked in Indianapolis as a Tuxedo Brother!

Stindiana
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So we all know that is Kenny sporting his trademark mankini outfit, but here is a question for all you old timers out there, who is the girl in the background??? And Slowman does not get to play this game.....

I wanted to say Liz Boom Boom Bulman but I'm not 100% sure

Not even close, this girl is blonde and liz had dark hair, and I wont even go into the other obvious differences....

A pro though right? Might have to dig up some back issues of Triathlete for this one.

Yes a pro, and remember this was a duathlon, so one that was a good runner/biker..She also did triathlon but was mainly an ironman person because of her swim...

Thea Sybesma?

RIght era, wrong girl..I gave you guys a really good clue already, remember that every word I use on this forum has some secret meaning...

That's not Krista Whelan is it? I don't remember her at Du World's...

No not her, and I was trying to figure out where this race was. Palm trees in the background suggest Desert Princess in Palm Springs. And I think it may have been the world champs at one time, self proclaimed I would guess. But looking back there was not bigger or more stacked race until Zofingen came along, so I guess it was in fact a wrold champs..

ITU World's @ Cthedral City...91

Brick and Erin Baker won.

1)Team Second Sole...still have a navy Adidas uniform from about 1985(Columbus had 7 Second Sole stores at the time and I did some racing while I managed a couple of the stores) Scott Tinley raced for them for one or two years.

2)Tinley Riding jacket...still the best cold weather jacket I own.

3)Turn Tec shoes...offshoot by the Brooks lead designer

4) Nike Epic...motion control shoe.

5) Remember when Quench Gum came out. They still sell it!

6)You had to wait in line for a Frank Shorter Gore Tex suit!

Donna Peters....

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6)You had to wait in line for a Frank Shorter Gore Tex suit!

Yep, but I wore out two Bill Rogers No'Westers prior to that.

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R10C 10/09

I remember when a 2:09:59 oly wasn't all that fast. Now it seems like it is.

We'd get so many of the early Bill Rodgers suits come back with lamination problems. They always stood behind them and replaced every one of them. They had a better reflectivity than all the other raincoats also. The early ones were very heavy though!!

Loved the TurnTec shoes (had two pair 85-86). Compression molded EVA was still a novelty (remember the Saucony Flite) and TurnTecs pioneered anatomic midsoles.

One More: Zipp Bikes

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Carol Montgomery?
Joy Hansen?
Not Jan Ripple.

It's not Michellie but she was there.

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Nashville, TN
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Carol Montgomery?
Joy Hansen?\\

Nope, Nope...
Remember Cathy, I said she did Ironmans, which neither of those two did..Follow the hints, she did ironmans, even won at least one, won some big running races.. Big hint in my first post???

Duh, come on people!

BTW...she looks great in that picture...very fit.

My guess is there is some affiliation with Slowman.

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Is that Julieanne??????????????????

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Nashville, TN
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Is that Julieanne?????????????????? \\

Ya, I think that who is in the background, Slowman's exwife and Ironman legand. I think she won 4 or 5 Ironmans, got 2nd in Hawaii one year, and won a lot of local CA running races. Funny thing is that she probably got better on the bike than her run, she held several course bike records for a very long time. We will have to ask Dan for sure, but it sure looks like her to me, Oakley was her sponsor, and she did that race in Palm Springs.

Oh ya, for those that do not know who Julieanne is, her last name was White. You will see her all over the old time results..

She still holds the bike course record at Canada I think.

hmm, that was fun. I'll post some other pics this weekend, and we'll have people guess the event, the year and the athletes shown. I'll go through my pictures and negatives and scan a few more tonite.

Dan will obviously know for sure...but I can't recall Julieanne White being quite fast enough to wear a #3 bib at ITU Worlds (even at the 2nd one ever...although, that could be a #3something bib)...I can't really remember what she looked like for sure...

Sure was fast though:
http://www.slowtwitch.com/...chor-TRIATHLON-19526


This is her now?

http://www.challengedathletes.org/about_caf/team.htm



Fun to tip toe through the past...

Funny bikes with discs on the front.

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Yes, I have Julieanne to thank for me finally meeting slowman in the flesh. I can still picture that day--May 2000, Mexican restaurant in Carlsbad a couple of days before IM Cali. First impression--dude can TALK! And eat chips and salsa!

clm

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Nashville, TN
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1. The porno mustaches of Scott Tinley, Dave Scott, and many others.
2. Neon workout clothes
3. When "fartlek" was a new word in training
4. When Titanium was the best of everything

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