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8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape!
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These are the rules i received from desert dude to get ready for ironman azizona. He is very hard on is athletes and when you are accepted to train at the Laveen high performance training center.....you need to step it up..... so for anyone that need to shave off a few pounds for the coming season, stick to this...it really works!!!!

i went from 149lbs(ironman hawaii) to 137 lbs (now)

By Desert Dude strict rules for eating while at the LHPTC. They are as follows:

1. No eating after 7:30 unless coming back from a late evening workout over 30min. If under 30min you may have 1 gel and a piece of fruit or 1 energy bar.

2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in this all you can eat establishment.

3. Hungry at night? Tough - you should have eaten more throughout the day. Have a glass of water instead of whining. Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.

4. eat something within 20 min of completing all workouts.

5. Insure you are taking in adequate calories during your day

6. Eat a bigger breakfast or lunch if you feel you need more food

7. Make sure you are fueling properly when in your training sessions.

8. Still hungry? Pay rent for whining


Send all complaints to the administator of the facility to the address below:

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Last edited by: jonnyo: Feb 9, 07 16:23
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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I thought there was some caffeine rule/assistance in there somewhere ...

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [rroof] [ In reply to ]
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sorry.....caffeine is ok as long as it s consume before 5 pm!!!!! so a lot of coke and coffee!!!!

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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What jonny doesn't know, is I replace all the caffiene coke with decafe coke.

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Once again, great advice from DD, but I would have thought rule # 1 would have been No Whining.
I have a question for the Jonnyo though, have you been sticking with these strict eating rules while down in Austin staying with the little one? I heard that you were doing a little cooking. If you were cooking for her and losing weight, she must be down to about true garden gomne weight.



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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [GO548] [ In reply to ]
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hummm.......are you saying that i got sick with the flu last week because of these rules???? if so, i m changing the rules to ice cream all you can eat and mexican food and burgers morning and night.......

yes, i do cook for my wonderful host.........but she work harder than i do so she deserve some help!

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Forget regular or decaf coke.

Flat Coke is where it's at!
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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The title says '7' rules but you have '8' listed. Am i missing something?
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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137? are you male or female?

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [OldAndInTheWay] [ In reply to ]
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Sometimes we call Jonnyo "Cardinal Ximenez"...
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]137? are you male or female?[/reply]

LOL! I think Sergio, Paulo, Jonnyo, and Francois all add up to 1 NFL lineman. Natural selection in the desert I guess ...

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Paulo] [ In reply to ]
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The Spanish Grand Inquisitor? That Cardinal Ximenez?
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [OldAndInTheWay] [ In reply to ]
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No, Michael Palin's interpretation of Cardinal Ximenez... THAT Cardinal Ximenez :-)
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Glad there is no mention of Beer in the rules. For that reason alone, I'll follow along too :)
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Paulo] [ In reply to ]
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Ok now I'm with you (I think). Monty Phython, Fish Called Wanda etc...

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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No didn't know you had the flu last week, news from that part of the county has been slow comingh the last couple of weeks. Sorry to hear that.
I thought that was the only ice cream rule in that house.
Yes, she deserves some help. You stay there as long as you can (it will be warm soon)... do some cooking, maybe a little laundry. Why go back to the house in the desert till you have to?

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [GO548] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Joe! where do you fit ice cream in this diet?

Formely stef32
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the tips. I just had three bowls of ice cream as my post workout meal. ( I ate it all within 20 minutes.) I can't wait to start dropping the pounds!
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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DD, don't tell Jonnyo the second half...that you are not only replacing his coke with decaf coke, but also diet coke...
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time.





LOL!!!!

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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [GO548] [ In reply to ]
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We do eat things besides ice cream sometimes. But last Friday it was like 35 degrees out and jonnyo made me walk to the ice cream stand with him to get ice cream! Can you believe that? I am a good friend, though, and was willing to go along for support.
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [glbrum] [ In reply to ]
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Flat Coke is where it's at!
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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OMG! I have the same birthday as jonnyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Kestrelkerri] [ In reply to ]
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are we twins????? what does it mean? how s this possible? will i meet you one day???? ok...enough question for tonight! oups...one more...how do you know about my birthday....it s a food thread???

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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hmmm...that's a tough one, so I'll let you figure it out! ;)
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Kestrelkerri] [ In reply to ]
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your so mean.... i asked you 5 questions.... witch one do i have to figure out by myself????? i m going to bed....

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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> 2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in
> this all you can eat establishment.

My first thought was (Chinese) sticky rice... I could easily pile enough of that on a coffee saucer to fill any appetite. Jen did me one better with a 3' stack of pancakes, with a few fillet mignons on top.


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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [austin79] [ In reply to ]
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We do eat things besides ice cream sometimes. But last Friday it was like 35 degrees out and jonnyo made me walk to the ice cream stand with him to get ice cream! Can you believe that? I am a good friend, though, and was willing to go along for support.


It seems like it has been getting close to 35 degrees celsius here (my car has been reading the outside temperature as being that at times, altho I'm not sure about its accuracy), and on my long bikes and runs I begin to look forward to ice cream about an hour away from home. MMM ice cream.
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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I gotta remember this since I'm trying to get from 189 down to 174 and fucking stay there!

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5. Insure you are taking in adequate calories during your day 6. Eat a bigger breakfast or lunch if you feel you need more food
I take this to mean McD's for breakfast and Chipo-burrito for lunch
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Khai] [ In reply to ]
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> 2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in
> this all you can eat establishment.

My first thought was (Chinese) sticky rice... I could easily pile enough of that on a coffee saucer to fill any appetite. Jen did me one better with a 3' stack of pancakes, with a few fillet mignons on top.


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A large Tickleberrys' ice cream in a tub would fit on a coffee saucer! Now that's thinking outside the box!


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Jonnyo,

Does that mean your wetsuit size has changed? Please advise ASAP!


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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nop......i will like wetsuit big!!!! so i will maintain and race at around 140lbs....maybe a tiny bit lighter!!!! i m actually going for burger tonight!!!!!

the rumor in texas is that you will be doing a half marathon next weekend in austin with a wetsuit on??????????

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Khai] [ In reply to ]
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My first thought was (Chinese) sticky rice... I could easily pile enough of that on a coffee saucer to fill any appetite. Jen did me one better with a 3' stack of pancakes, with a few fillet mignons on top.


You gotta think outside the box, bro
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Don't make me food police you also. One of the bylaws not published is if you overfill your coffee saucer for dinner, I come by and take my percentage of the take.
Besides it's also funny to hear jonnyo whine about 8:20pm in a high pitch voice "I'm soooo hungry" or "I was lean at hawaii but this is too skinny" (he wasn't lean at hawaii and a former winner told him so!)


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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"Paulo, do you think I'm too lean...? You don't think 137lbs is too low...? Are you sure???"
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Paulo] [ In reply to ]
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funny Jonnyo story:

He has recently discovered the addictive powers of coffee, and this morning he gets back from his morning run and says, "I don't know what kind of coffee I got, but I only had one cup and I was running really fast." He reaches in the cupboard and pulls out a bag of espresso beans.
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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The no-food after 7:30 thing presumes a certain bed time and a certain wake time, doesn't it?
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Don't make me food police you also. One of the bylaws not published is if you overfill your coffee saucer for dinner, I come by and take my percentage of the take.
Besides it's also funny to hear jonnyo whine about 8:20pm in a high pitch voice "I'm soooo hungry" or "I was lean at hawaii but this is too skinny" (he wasn't lean at hawaii and a former winner told him so!)

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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jonnyo
Is it bad to make chocolate chip cookies with your kids after 7 pm and finish off the batch before bedtime? I guess if you can lose 13 pounds compared to Soma then I need to follow DD's rules as well. Ouch!

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [JulianInEngland] [ In reply to ]
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I take it soup isn't served often at Chez DD![/quote]Sure it is, I have a shot glass for you to have your soup in.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Does he make exceptions for Top Ramen?



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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Now, THAT'S funny! LOL!


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Brian, you have it all wrong! Jonnyo should be on a diet of squats, bench and preacher curls because everybody knows that you have to be strong to be a able to ride 112 and then run a fast marathon off the bike............;-)

I actually had myself done in a bod pod last week and unfortunately it confirmed what I feared that the extra 8lb I am carrying currently over my racing weight is certainly not muscle. Definately a worthwhile thing to have done, it means that I can set myself a realistic target weight (138lb) and get back down to 5% body fat again. Most of the weight gain due to eating too much, too late.
Very good advice for anyone wanting to shed those extra pounds.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [flying wombat] [ In reply to ]
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Kevin,

Good seeing you at the snow crit the other weekend. I take it you are racing VOS? I'm started to ride a few hours per weekend again. Anytime you want hook up for a ride let me know.
I'm thining of bringing my bike with me to work a couple of days per week then riding Tortilla Flats to EOP if you are interested.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Brian, I am taking a break from VOS this year to race a team 24 Hours in the Old Pueblo and then racing the Marathon at Estrella the following Saturday. I would definately be up for an EOP ride. Let me know when you were thinking of riding and I will see if I can make it.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Don't you love how pool water feels so cold when you get that lean? ah,...refreshing (not!) I find myself siding with the geriatric crowd in pool temperature preference when I get that lean.

You'd be proud of myself today -- I went to an all-you-can eat sushi restaurant today,...and instead of eating the rice from the negri, I ate the sushi and threw in the sticky rice in a plastic bag. Would this be considered #9?

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [CURRY] [ In reply to ]
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good job scott!!!! keep the good work! yeah....everyone is laughing at me for shivering in the pool at 81 degrees.... i need 84 or 86 to not get cold.....i m always cold.....but the good thing is...i dont touch the ground when i run!!!!! it feel so good!!!!

i had apple pie tonight!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [CURRY] [ In reply to ]
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Man, you guys are hardcore. The most I do at the sushi places is order it with brown rice and sauces on the side or just go for sashimi altogether to avoid the tempation.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [austin79] [ In reply to ]
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Jonnyo has recently discovered the power of caffeine, but has been going to the Laveen Sport Centre for several years??? There is something that doesn't add up here...Does DD hide his stuff?
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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I am bumping this post up for all of us folks who need to loose some pounds before their A race this summer.

"Sometimes you got to learn to hurt"
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [peewee] [ In reply to ]
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Classic!
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Re: 7 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [glbrum] [ In reply to ]
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glbrum wrote:
Forget regular or decaf coke.

Flat Coke is where it's at!

WHAT A GREAT IDEA! Can you share how to make flat coke with us?


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [sentania] [ In reply to ]
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It is although I'm not sure why a giant bowl of lettuce isn't allowed for dinner.
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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love this thread. just a bump for all the "do i need chia seeds to lose weight?" or "how about a fruit diet?" or "can i lose 23.4lbs on the paleo?" people.



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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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I read this thread and started following it back in mid-December. During the summer and training for a marathon while doing a couple duathlons in the middle I went from 209 to 190 and after my last race went up to about 196 when I read this. I am 6'3" and was at about a 14-15% body fat (not adjusted for athletic). Now I am at 183 and about 10-11% body fat (lowest I have seen is 9.5, but was not repeated) just following these rules and not counting any calories. I have been doing cycling and running, but not a lot of volume; around 20mpw running and 70-100mpw riding.

Good thread and good rules to go by ... I have almost got my wife to buy into it too.
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The no-food after 7:30 thing presumes a certain bed time and a certain wake time, doesn't it?



Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Joe24] [ In reply to ]
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I have often thought of this thread....
I am working on slowing down my eating - and using a smaller plate - that definitely works though I have chosen a dessert plate not a coffee saucer - there is something rather onerous about a coffee saucer to me. And stopping at 80% full

down 15 since 12/31/12 10 to race weight
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tigerchik wrote:
Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.

How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
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Toby wrote:
tigerchik wrote:
Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.


How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

A great many.
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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A great many.

I was getting that impression. Need to get my 180lbs down to something reasonable for race season. These rules will be a bitch to follow though.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
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Toby wrote:
Need to get my 180lbs down to something reasonable for race season. These rules will be a bitch to follow though.

One good decision at a time :)
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How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

Over 40 people through the years, although jonnyo probably still holds the record for most nights spent at Casa DD. They range from AGers to the best in the world in their sport(s) including

At least 4 Olympians over 3 different sports, including a Gold medalist
A few top 10 World ranked T&F throwers including the U23 World Champ Discus thrower
Multiple multi IM winners
Multiple ITU athletes, including at least 3 that have won an ITU race
Multiple people who went on to win and/or place top 3 at IM after staying at Casa DD. (hhmmm maybe it's the homestay?)
A couple of national levels runners,
A few well know physiologists and/or coaches from various sports

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How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

Over 40 people through the years, although jonnyo probably still holds the record for most nights spent at Casa DD. They range from AGers to the best in the world in their sport(s) including

At least 4 Olympians over 3 different sports, including a Gold medalist
A few top 10 World ranked T&F throwers including the U23 World Champ Discus thrower
Multiple multi IM winners
Multiple ITU athletes, including at least 3 that have won an ITU race
Multiple people who went on to win and/or place top 3 at IM after staying at Casa DD. (hhmmm maybe it's the homestay?)
A couple of national levels runners,
A few well know physiologists and/or coaches from various sports

Do you have a weight to height ratio you try to get your athletes to achieve?
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James Haycraft wrote:
Toby wrote:
tigerchik wrote:
Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.


How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?


A great many.

i never stayed there but he did make me coffee in the kitchen.



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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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I have been using this and I love it! It's not perfect, but it works for "me."

1. eat plants -- no meat (exception; fish) -- nothing in a package unless it's non/unprocessed
2. dinner is smoothies ONLY (fruits, veggies, oils & water) under 10grams of protein (I drink 2 quarts of smoothie and still lose weight)
3. breakfast is espresso (no creams/milk), oatmeal, and all you can't eat fruits & veggies
4. lunch is water, salad with protein (quinoa, eggs, fish) + fruit/veggie + nutts
5. no sports drinks unless they are home-made. coconut water, water, salt on the side, and honey (raw unfiltered white type) my favorite is water, honey, lemon juice, salt and malto. I often use pedialyte in training even though it's not on my list. I need the zinc and it NEER bothers my tummy. Coach doesn't have a problem with it.
6. home-made gels only (bananas + honey + salt + kiwi) mash it up, put it in a zip lock or flask, works for 8 hours in the heat without a problem.
7. zero dairy meaning no milk, no cheese and no icecream
8. eat solids every 30 minutes during training if the session is over 60min
9. don't weigh yourself
10. 3 sessions a day -- a session is at least 45min.
11. the first 6 hours after any triathlon (or swim race, run race etc) of any distance is the "FREE PASS" = beer, wings, burgers, hotdogs and swedish fish. This excludes my races that are within 8 weeks of an A-race. They are training days anyway...

good luck. diet and sleep are the areas that MOST athletes DO NOT pay 'enough' attention to. when you do, you will find new limits!
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No, but policies such as

If you win the race: 3 donuts
If you win the AG: 2 donuts
If you're in top 5 OA: 1 donut

Keep it as lean as possible.
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1. No eating after 7:30 unless coming back from a late evening workout over 30min. If under 30min you may have 1 gel and a piece of fruit or 1 energy bar.

Should this be over 30 min? If under, does that mean I can work out for 15 mins and then get an energy bar for 250 calories?
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [Toby] [ In reply to ]
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Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.

How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?


I have been fortunate enough to spend some time training with desert dude, 115intheshade, and Mr. Bubbles.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [bmeer] [ In reply to ]
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Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.


How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

A great many.
i never stayed there but he did make me coffee in the kitchen.


Wow, I don't know if I'd trust dd to make coffee, given that he doesn't drink it...

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
If you're injured and need some sympathy, PM me and I'm very happy to write back.
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9. don't weigh yourself


So how are you evaluating progress?



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Sleep is very important and there are both early bedtimes and naps at La Casa DD.


How many people have gone and stayed at Casa Desert Dude?

A great many.
i never stayed there but he did make me coffee in the kitchen.


Wow, I don't know if I'd trust dd to make coffee, given that he doesn't drink it...

James was drinking it also and wasn't falling over. It was actually quite good.



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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]
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I may not drink that crap but when it comes to making coffee I've got skills the above average Starbucks wishes they had

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how long to drop 5-7 lbs @ 8% right now? Think I can do it in 9 weeks?

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Brian, the eye catching thing about the rules is the timing:
no eating after 7:30, "encouragement" to eat more during the day, etc.

Did you come up with these based on some insulin based data (blood sugar spikes pre-sleep)? personal behaviors (sitting and snacking at night)?

just curious to your mindset.

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i m not sure, those rules were made for me and i would have never venture into a workout less than 30minutes so that rule didnt mean much.... the no eating after 7:30 was inforced strongly.

This plan was made as a joke...writen in a few minutes as i was complaining of waiting to reach race weight. Brian went into the computer room, typed this and posted it on the fridge door.... and the effectiveness of this program is remarkable. One of the best nutrition plan ever made in the sport history....simple, easy to follow, drop weight in a good manner!

.

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James Haycraft wrote:
No, but policies such as

If you win the race: 3 donuts
If you win the AG: 2 donuts
If you're in top 5 OA: 1 donut

Keep it as lean as possible.

Absolutely right! After every race I have a A&W Papa burger, McDonalds fries, Dairy Queen milk shake & 20 pack of Tim Bits, no exceptions! Well, okay except in Calgary, in which case I try to make it over to Peter's Drive In!

Actually in all seriousness, having tried to diet perfectly, not allowing "bad" food is a recipe for failure. Little miss steps are not the end of the world, just a curve in the plan that may need to be adjusted for.
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This plan was made as a joke...writen in a few minutes as i was complaining of waiting to reach race weight. Brian went into the computer room, typed this and posted it on the fridge door.... and the effectiveness of this program is remarkable. One of the best nutrition plan ever made in the sport history....simple, easy to follow, drop weight in a good manner!


dd is pretty brilliant.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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dam brian

people thing you put together a plan well though after years of research or something????? that was a 5 minutes hurry up put something on paper to shut me up from complaining...... I still have the original paper somewhere in shoe box.

When can i move back? i m tired of canadian winter!

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I have a spare room, Gravey misses you. Come on down.

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I don't understand this sentence, can someone explain what "irregardless" means?

Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [GAIJIN] [ In reply to ]
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GAIJIN wrote:
I don't understand this sentence, can someone explain what "irregardless" means?


Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.


irregardless means regardless - lol






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  1. It's the only word where attaching the "ir-" prefix to the root word has the exact same meaning as the root word: Throwing an "ir-" in front of normal, less bad-ass words that begin with "R" changes the meaning to the opposite of the word. Irrefutable. Irreverent. Irrelevant. Irresponsible. Not "irregardless." It doesn't care what the rules of grammar are. It means exactly the same thing as "regardless," and that's the way it likes it.

  2. Against all odds, against all logic, and (ir)regardless of everyone hating it, it has achieved official word status: How can you not pull for the underdog in this case? "Irregardless" went up against the rules of grammar, stick-by-the-book lexicographers, and the fact that it's a completely redundant word. Didn't matter. Whatever didn't kill it made it stronger. It's the hardest-working word in the dictionary, and it should have earned your respect by now.

  3. Even though it's a word, Merriam-Webster says you shouldn't use it: Can you name another word in the dictionary that the dictionary says you shouldn't use? Even really bad swear words don't have a dictionary-imposed boycott. That just makes me want to use it more.

  4. It simultaneously makes sense and doesn't make sense: You can think of the word in one of two ways: (1) it should mean the opposite of "regardless," or something along the lines of "keeping the facts in regard," or (2) it could mean "regardless of the fact that something is regardless." The latter of the two is like double-super regardless, and it's the meaning I prefer. "Irregardless" really, really doesn't care what the facts are or what you think. It should only be used in extreme circumstances, such as when a course of action is ridiculously counterintuitive. "Irregardless of the fact that you are very thirsty, you should eat this pile of salt." Stuff like that.

  5. It practices what it preaches: Irregardless of the rules of grammar, "irregardless" is a word. It's self-reflexive. It's the exception that proves the rule. It talks the talk and walks the walk. Is there another word like that? No, because "irregardless" is bad-ass. It is a text-based Chuck Norris, roundhouse-kicking everything else in the dictionary into submission.

  6. If you think about it long enough, it will blow your mind: It's the Mobius Strip of words, but it's also packed with Eminem's aggressively apathetic attitude. It's completely unique, completely confusing, and it couldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. It just is what it is. If you don't like it, don't use it."


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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [plant_based] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. So if it means regardless why not use regardless? It's less typing, effort to say, etc. Plus it makes no sense. In the example sentence about whiners paying rent, just remove the "ir" and it makes sense.

This seems similar to when some people use a phrase "I could care less" when really they mean "I couldn't care less".

I like the Desert Dude list though.
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tigerchik wrote:
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9. don't weigh yourself



So how are you evaluating progress?


...simple: results. i never looked at weight as a way of measuring progress. do you?
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [GAIJIN] [ In reply to ]
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This list was done for me, using word for me. Irregardless is perfect for me frenglish. At LHPTC we don't respect law of english and French either for that matter

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Worlds easiest diet

1. If it makes your mouth happy....spit it out.


Or my mothers old family diet that lead to point 1. Buy the kids the shittiest driest, hardest cookies that even the dog would break a tooth on. That way there are always cookies in the house, and no-one gets fat.

Her other plan was "buy the kids a season pass at the ski resort" We were never home to bother her, we only got given a rope of dried figs to eat (try eating frozen dried figs. No matter how many calories they have or how many you can thaw in your cheek and eat, you will never gain weight when it's 25 below!)

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I missed the 7:30 cutoff already, but made it by 7:50. It's only been an hour. For the record, I already hate you.

Will report progress.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
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Seems like common sense to me, he teaching you to tie your shoes too
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Jonnyo, you have seen this photo, under the Desert Dude Diet, what time of day is it proper to consume this delicacy?



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Jonnyo, you have seen this photo, under the Desert Dude Diet, what time of day is it proper to consume this delicacy?


Half way through a double century! Carbs, sugar, fruit & fat. With a drizzle of chocolate so no one under fuels like I would if you had to choke down a gel ;) (who invented those things anyway?)
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [plant_based] [ In reply to ]
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I prefer to think of irregardless as without not having regard. It's the mobius strip or the MC Escher of words.

I also noticed a lot of insurance policies being taken out on this diet plan and I wonder how they made it through underwriting!
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cervelo-van wrote:
Jonnyo, you have seen this photo, under the Desert Dude Diet, what time of day is it proper to consume this delicacy?


Who is that dude?
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jonnyo wrote:
i m not sure, those rules were made for me and i would have never venture into a workout less than 30minutes so that rule didnt mean much.... the no eating after 7:30 was inforced strongly.

This plan was made as a joke...writen in a few minutes as i was complaining of waiting to reach race weight. Brian went into the computer room, typed this and posted it on the fridge door.... and the effectiveness of this program is remarkable. One of the best nutrition plan ever made in the sport history....simple, easy to follow, drop weight in a good manner!

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ALL PLANS SHOULD BE THIS SIMPLE! If not even simpler! My one step walking,running and swimming=SWAGGER! One step for losing weight,fasting(read the"Miracle of Fasting"by Paul Bragg). Any other simple plans?
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I don't understand this sentence, can someone explain what "irregardless" means?


Interesting that this was the only line that you got hung up on. Did you 'insure' that you are taking in adequate calories every day with Geico or State Farm? Once you get past the grammar the plan will help you lose weight.
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where is the laveen high performance training center? (don't tell me laveen, i live here. where 'bouts in laveen.)

thx

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Madduck wrote:
where is the laveen high performance training center? (don't tell me laveen, i live here. where 'bouts in laveen.)

thx

That was dd's house when he lived in Laveen.

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Now or in 2013 when that post was made? ;)
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Now or in 2013 when that post was made? ;)

Neither. When the original post by jonnyo was made. And mostly I replied to bump it because we mentioned in the unbearable being thread. :)

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I see, well I guess I'll have to go read that one now then won't i?
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jonnyo wrote:
These are the rules i received from desert dude to get ready for ironman azizona. He is very hard on is athletes and when you are accepted to train at the Laveen high performance training center.....you need to step it up..... so for anyone that need to shave off a few pounds for the coming season, stick to this...it really works!!!!

i went from 149lbs(ironman hawaii) to 137 lbs (now)

By Desert Dude strict rules for eating while at the LHPTC. They are as follows:

1. No eating after 7:30 unless coming back from a late evening workout over 30min. If under 30min you may have 1 gel and a piece of fruit or 1 energy bar.

2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in this all you can eat establishment.

3. Hungry at night? Tough - you should have eaten more throughout the day. Have a glass of water instead of whining. Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.

4. eat something within 20 min of completing all workouts.

5. Insure you are taking in adequate calories during your day

6. Eat a bigger breakfast or lunch if you feel you need more food

7. Make sure you are fueling properly when in your training sessions.

8. Still hungry? Pay rent for whining


Send all complaints to the administator of the facility to the address below:

Gabi K9
3546 Who Cares Dr.
Stop Whining, AZ 85552



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OK, so what happens if you put Starky on this plan? Does he go 7:49? What about if you put Rapp on this plan? He would disappear into aerobic nothingness and become even more aero than humanly possible.

As for the rent part, well, if I whine I would have to pay rent to myself since I own the establishment that I live in!
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haha

well, Rapp as nothing to left to lose. but he is a solid runner on a good day! he as done a 2:46!

this program was made when i was living with brian. i live with him for a good 7-8 years...he is my second family! i never paided rent!!!! that was the good old time!

But for starky....i m pretty sure it s a training phylosophy. he loves the bike, he want to ride hard and he perhaps isnt interested in compromising this part. He might be right...perhaps he isnt!

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this is dumb
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freedom of speech and opinion!

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Since I was on the heavy side all of this year I've gone back on my winter diet and started calorie counting.

What I had last night after blowing off a bike workout would not fill a coffee saucer :(
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jonnyo wrote:
1. No eating after 7:30 unless coming back from a late evening workout over 30min. If under 30min you may have 1 gel and a piece of fruit or 1 energy bar.
2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in this all you can eat establishment.
3. Hungry at night? Tough - you should have eaten more throughout the day. Have a glass of water instead of whining. Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.
4. eat something within 20 min of completing all workouts.
5. Insure you are taking in adequate calories during your day
6. Eat a bigger breakfast or lunch if you feel you need more food
7. Make sure you are fueling properly when in your training sessions.
8. Still hungry? Pay rent for whining
Brian Stover


I read this original post a while back and without explicitly living by exactly those rules, its main ideas made it into my subconscious nutrition guidelines.

My issue is this though:
The strategy above was designed for people for whom a late session is the exception rather than the norm it seems.
During the week, I almost exclusively work out in the evening/at night. Sometimes as the last thing to do before going to bed (I have no trouble falling asleep right after an hard session on the trainer).

What do you think is the main adaptions to these rules to be made for this?
Would it make sense to "shift the eating window" a little back? So you're allowed to regularly eat after your late workout, but conversely start with lunch as the first meal of the day...

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flogazo wrote:
jonnyo wrote:

1. No eating after 7:30 unless coming back from a late evening workout over 30min. If under 30min you may have 1 gel and a piece of fruit or 1 energy bar.
2. Dinner is all you can eat, as long as it fits on the coffee saucer the first time. There are no refills in this all you can eat establishment.
3. Hungry at night? Tough - you should have eaten more throughout the day. Have a glass of water instead of whining. Whiners pay rent irregardless if they trained that day or not.
4. eat something within 20 min of completing all workouts.
5. Insure you are taking in adequate calories during your day
6. Eat a bigger breakfast or lunch if you feel you need more food
7. Make sure you are fueling properly when in your training sessions.
8. Still hungry? Pay rent for whining
Brian Stover



I read this original post a while back and without explicitly living by exactly those rules, its main ideas made it into my subconscious nutrition guidelines.

My issue is this though:
The strategy above was designed for people for whom a late session is the exception rather than the norm it seems.
During the week, I almost exclusively work out in the evening/at night. Sometimes as the last thing to do before going to bed (I have no trouble falling asleep right after an hard session on the trainer).

What do you think is the main adaptions to these rules to be made for this?
Would it make sense to "shift the eating window" a little back? So you're allowed to regularly eat after your late workout, but conversely start with lunch as the first meal of the day...

The answer Jonnyo is likely going to give us, is "go to sleep early and wake up at 3 am to train.....stop slacking off....get on the plan!!!" (I say this after having slept in till around 8 am every day for the last 9 days! But I remember meeting Jonnyo for a 5:30 am ride 90K 2500 ft vertical ride in April in 1C temps in Ottawa (in 2007) and he says, "where is the group", to which I replied, "you and I are the group", to which he replied, "well, we know who is getting the PB's this year".
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How can you possibly get in the proper amount of calories to fuel your training and not go anemic with these rules? A coffee saucer of food isn't anything near what you need to consume. Do you recall what your daily caloric intake was Jonny? I'm fascinated by this because I'm in no mans land with regards to fueling and training without going into deficient. It defies the odds on the surface.

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that's funny. i have no strict rules during training, other than train hard and eat well. i dropped 23lbs this training season.

from 145 to 123 on race day. watched my body fat drop from the mid teens to 7-8% consistently.

i ate after 7:30 (it's not a big deal when you don't sleep till midnight or 1am). i ate large dinners, i snacked all day, i averaged 6k calories. i ate immediate post workout, i sometimes ate 90 mins post work out.

rules are good, if you need them. otherwise, pay attention to your body and you'll see the weight drop.
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you can get as many calories as you want: but make sure you get them early in the day.....

my calorie intake? no clue, i never counted. but i was training 30h/week and racing professionally. Peter Reid was also doing something very similar. He call it going to be hungry at night. When it came time to drop down to race weight, it was a very effective way to get there without compromising the quality of the training for most part.

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I gotta agree with you here. I think the big question is how did it translate to performance. How did Hawaii go that year compared to others? Were you actually faster all around on race day?

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That makes sense in context to you as a professional (i assume) at the time. Were you planning around just workouts or also maintaining a job that had to be worked around? Sorry for all the questions, as I said I'm fascinated with figuring out how to get this to work right to stay healthy and still maintain weight loss. I do 95% of my workouts at night 6pm onwards and complete them by 8-8:30pm. By the time I'm eating it's 9pm sometimes and I'm in bed by 10:30-11pm. I'm starting to think I need to load up my body in the morning and stay hungry in the evening.

How did this differ from the times you were just training and eating without an eyeball on "race weight" ?

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as i said, it s important to be context into this post: i was at the time a young professional up and coming athlete. i was living at Brian stover house and he was greatly helping me escaping canadian winter and train in a great location.

Now, for a age group atheltes that train at night, this is going to be problematic as we dont want you to sacrifice recovery. I do coach a lot of age group athletes and i do push many of them to start and learn to train early in the morning. i try to aim at moderation, heating healthy and not be obsess about there weight....until they start faling into a higher performance level.... then, weight need to be adress.

But in your case, no douth you need proper fuel after workout. going to be hungry would be counterproductive.

Once again, people need to put context into this post: This is a post that was writen in 5min giving humoristic but very true advice as to how to lose the weight while training at a high level. different situation require different approach.

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Thanks jonnyo! You're one of my favorite STers. I always find you willing to help and guide others but remain supportive and cautious. I appreciate your replies and I'll summarize that last post as:

1. Get up and train in the morning and adopt this philosophy
2. Get yourself a coach who can help guide you through this process and cater it to your circumstances.


Both of these are things I know but wanted external acknowledgement on so thanks for that!

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You dropped that much weight this year while consuming 6,000 calories a day?
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What actually is a healthy body fat percentage?

Should there be a difference between training and racing?

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Thanks jonnyo! You're one of my favorite STers. I always find you willing to help and guide others but remain supportive and cautious. I appreciate your replies and I'll summarize that last post as:

1. Get up and train in the morning and adopt this philosophy
2. Get yourself a coach who can help guide you through this process and cater it to your circumstances.


Both of these are things I know but wanted external acknowledgement on so thanks for that!

I just never understand why some find so many excuses as to how do to do things logically.

So lets see, we all race early in the morning, so lets not train like we race, lets train in the evening.

We get up early to head to races but no, lets stay up late and get up late so we never sleep as we would on race day.

Everything I keep reading says sleep is the number 1 recover tool our body needs.

So yep, folks can give me a bad time for heading into bed around 6 to 7 each night, and getting up at 4:15 for training, but interesting this is Jonnyo's recommendation.

Coach, never need a coach. I can read great posts like these on ST and figure it out myself. :)

And how to lose weight. Just so easy, watch what you eat and talk to your scale. I still have been trying to get back to race weight after my 2 weeks in Disneyland 2 months
ago and now going out to dinner multiple times per week. But I have just stopped my bonus food the last 2 months that I only get if I am at race weight.
The focus for weight is no different than the focus we put on all our other training. No excuses.

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So lets see, we all race early in the morning, so lets not train like we race, lets train in the evening.

Some people have to be at work at 5:30am so they cannot train in the morning.
Also, I don't consider a 7am start time as early.

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you can get as many calories as you want: but make sure you get them early in the day.....

my calorie intake? no clue, i never counted. but i was training 30h/week and racing professionally. Peter Reid was also doing something very similar. He call it going to be hungry at night. When it came time to drop down to race weight, it was a very effective way to get there without compromising the quality of the training for most part.

Fad diet
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jaretj wrote:
h2ofun wrote:

So lets see, we all race early in the morning, so lets not train like we race, lets train in the evening.


Some people have to be at work at 5:30am so they cannot train in the morning.
Also, I don't consider a 7am start time as early.

jaretj

this.

i work 6.45am-5:30pm with no real breaks (bfast and lunch at the desk). No time to cook healthy meals, literally work and train.
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So I do a good job of just usually ignoring you but this one I'll let you have it because your inability to relate to anything other than yourself is truly amazing. Logical applies to the masses not to one person and in this case the word to describe this would be anything but logical. Id say it is narrow sighted and tunnel vision.

First and foremost, races are on weekends when there are no other commitments on our schedules (because we blocked it off for racing) so how that factors into the topic I'm speaking of is beyond me. Furthermore, like most Age Group athletes, I have a regular full time position where I work 8 hours a day with the added bonus of a 1 hour commute each way. That's 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, dedicated to my career and that's bare minimum. Waking up at 4am isn't an option for me as my gym doesn't even open until 6am, when I have to be well into my morning routine to get to work on time. That "LOGICAL" idea isn't really standing up here.

Secondly, when it comes to loosing weight, it is more than a simple in/out formula after the initial rigors work themselves out. There is your metabolism, then there is your digestion, then there is the macros and micro nutrients. We aren't the general population here. If we train as hard and often as we all claim the generic rules get grey when figuring out this portion of your unique anatomy. Issues you can run into range from how to avoid becoming anemic, how to put lean muscle on, how to properly fuel for your weekdays vs your weekends, how to supplement to when to eat those calories, what the source of calories should be, etc. Reducing it down to calories and a scale likely will hit it's limits of usefulness quickly.

I implore you to exercise more since you SO LOVE TO. Exercise restraint to type stupid nonsense posts on here that will only invoke many to troll and flame you. If you have no context to the topic or believe you do may I suggest the George Costanza method. Whatever you think, do the opposite, I trust you'll have better results as he did.

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may I suggest the George Costanza method. Whatever you think, do the opposite, I trust you'll have better results as he did.

I was thinking about the other side of it. How great it would be to have 7am to noon blocked off on my calendar every day to "train how I race". That would include trail runs in the redwoods, swims in Lake Tahoe, bike rides through Napa vineyards.

But then there's that pesky wife of mine that I actually like to spend time with, the daughter who may not think being ignored by her dad is super great, and worst of all is the stupid job that keeps us housed, clothed, fed, and able to pursue expensive and time-consuming recreational activities.

But if I'm fat, that's on me. I get to choose what I put in my mouth and am fortunate enough to be able to afford as many vegetables as I want.

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jonnyo wrote:
you can get as many calories as you want: but make sure you get them early in the day.....

my calorie intake? no clue, i never counted. but i was training 30h/week and racing professionally. Peter Reid was also doing something very similar. He call it going to be hungry at night. When it came time to drop down to race weight, it was a very effective way to get there without compromising the quality of the training for most part.


Fad diet

Yeah but it works. Im guessing you aren't eating your eggplant out of a Kona Champion's bowl so maybe step off. There are multiple ways to get world class lean, I would bet almost all of them involve going to bed hungry.

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You dropped that much weight this year while consuming 6,000 calories a day?

Not hard to do when you're expending 8000 calories a day

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I just never understand why some find so many excuses as to how do to do things logically.

Oh the irony.

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jonnyo wrote:
you can get as many calories as you want: but make sure you get them early in the day.....

Does this still presume the calorie intake will be somewhat reasonable (not an entire large supreme pizza), the food is high quality nutrition-wise and it will be followed with training to burn it off? I'm just thinking the ice cream and chips I had this morning are destined to become fat...but it's ok cuz my last race of the season was this past weekend and I've got a cold and I'm on a training break. :)
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I just never understand why some find so many excuses as to how do to do things logically.


Oh the irony.

I often hear this in my head reading certain posts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJh6slAqXM

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one of the things you can do if you're working out late at night is just have a really small dinner after working out.

I had this sort of schedule for years. I'd both run and go to masters in the evening. Masters ended at 7:30 or 8pm can't remember.

For dinner I'd often just have a piece of fruit, some yogurt and a Guinness.

If you can avoid the late(r) night huge dinners it's a bit easier to drop extra weight. It might be better to start trying this 2-3nights/wk vs every night of the week, at least at first. After a few weeks add in a night or two.

Most triathletes still over calorie themselves on a long term basis.

Maybe have a gel or something during the evening workouts if you find you're super hungry.

It seems from my experience and what my athletes have told me that if you are hungry that needing food feeling goes away once you start your workout.

I do applaud whoever used of the search function to dredge this 8 yr old thread up. They get a gold star -contact Dan to get that ;-)

I forgot all about this thread. Good times with Jonny living with me all those years. The stories I could tell about him.

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Thanks Brian I appreciate the insight! Feel free to embarrass Jonny as much as you'd like publicly with .... "Tales From The Desert" LMAO

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Most triathletes still over calorie themselves on a long term basis.

Yeah, that's definitely my problem!
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Maybe I'll write a tell all book. It'll be a best seller if 15 sales makes one a best seller ;-)

First story of the book:

JOnny shows up late one Jan/early Feb when I was living in Tucson and had a roommate. I think I forgot to tell my roommate that he was showing up since my roommate was pissed at me when I got home. Clearly Jonny's fault since I wouldn't have anything to forget had he not been staying with me. He knew 2 words of english. Toaster and something else My French is atrocious...at best. We go for a run that evening. Now remember he's from some frozen tundra with no sunshine in the winter.I think they call it Canada or something like that. it's well north of Tucson and freaking cold in the winter. You can't go outside with skin exposed and expect to live...or so I've been told. He's not seen sunshine since July or August is my guess given how white his legs were. It would be an understatement to say the reflection from the streetlights off his skin was blinding. Every streetlight we ran under was like having a lightening bolt flash right next to you. If jonny was a paint color it'd be called "really, really, really, f*cking white and whiter still." We go for a 5k run, well he runs I jog, and I thought there is no way this dude is going to make it, he's got no business trying to be a FT triathlete.

And folks that's how I got my first ever migraine and jonny's adventure living with me started.

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i just don't think it's right to encourage eating disorders
and i'm pretty sure you aren't either
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Maybe I'll write a tell all book. It'll be a best seller if 15 sales makes one a best seller ;-)

First story of the book:

JOnny shows up late one Jan/early Feb when I was living in Tucson and had a roommate. I think I forgot to tell my roommate that he was showing up since my roommate was pissed at me when I got home. Clearly Jonny's fault since I wouldn't have anything to forget had he not been staying with me. He knew 2 words of english. Toaster and something else My French is atrocious...at best. We go for a run that evening. Now remember he's from some frozen tundra with no sunshine in the winter.I think they call it Canada or something like that. it's well north of Tucson and freaking cold in the winter. You can't go outside with skin exposed and expect to live...or so I've been told. He's not seen sunshine since July or August is my guess given how white his legs were. It would be an understatement to say the reflection from the streetlights off his skin was blinding. Every streetlight we ran under was like having a lightening bolt flash right next to you. If jonny was a paint color it'd be called "really, really, really, f*cking white and whiter still." We go for a 5k run, well he runs I jog, and I thought there is no way this dude is going to make it, he's got no business trying to be a FT triathlete.

And folks that's how I got my first ever migraine and jonny's adventure living with me started.

I think this entire diet was a cost saving measure once you found out how much Jonnyo could eat. So you basically made him train all day and told him "eat as much as you want while you are training" and made him stay out training to get a tan so he looked like an actual pro and then cut him off at nite. Smart plan...you save money and turn him into a podium IM stud. win win.
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So I do a good job of just usually ignoring you but this one I'll let you have it because your inability to relate to anything other than yourself is truly amazing. Logical applies to the masses not to one person and in this case the word to describe this would be anything but logical. Id say it is narrow sighted and tunnel vision.

First and foremost, races are on weekends when there are no other commitments on our schedules (because we blocked it off for racing) so how that factors into the topic I'm speaking of is beyond me. Furthermore, like most Age Group athletes, I have a regular full time position where I work 8 hours a day with the added bonus of a 1 hour commute each way. That's 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, dedicated to my career and that's bare minimum. Waking up at 4am isn't an option for me as my gym doesn't even open until 6am, when I have to be well into my morning routine to get to work on time. That "LOGICAL" idea isn't really standing up here.

Secondly, when it comes to loosing weight, it is more than a simple in/out formula after the initial rigors work themselves out. There is your metabolism, then there is your digestion, then there is the macros and micro nutrients. We aren't the general population here. If we train as hard and often as we all claim the generic rules get grey when figuring out this portion of your unique anatomy. Issues you can run into range from how to avoid becoming anemic, how to put lean muscle on, how to properly fuel for your weekdays vs your weekends, how to supplement to when to eat those calories, what the source of calories should be, etc. Reducing it down to calories and a scale likely will hit it's limits of usefulness quickly.

I implore you to exercise more since you SO LOVE TO. Exercise restraint to type stupid nonsense posts on here that will only invoke many to troll and flame you. If you have no context to the topic or believe you do may I suggest the George Costanza method. Whatever you think, do the opposite, I trust you'll have better results as he did.


Did I say everyone? Nope. But how many spend non value hours watching TV late into the night?

I still hold my opinion. I have yet to met a fat person who does not eat so much more than I could ever consider eating without being sick.

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...Waking up at 4am isn't an option for me as my gym doesn't even open until 6am, when I have to be well into my morning routine to get to work on time. That "LOGICAL" idea isn't really standing up here.

...except that you don't need a gym to go running or biking. But you probably have an excuse for that as well no?
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i just don't think it's right to encourage eating disorders
and i'm pretty sure you aren't either

Been there, done that, got the XS t shirt. I still race at 6'0 and 135lbs and have some hungry nights. There is a difference between the two and it is prioritizing performance and not body dysmorphia.

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i highly highly highly doubt you are a kona champion who are you normann... macca ?? i mean i'm looking to break 10 this season in 18-24 hopefully i'll be at kona next year so i'm competitive in my ag just because you have been to kona and performed well does not make you a champion or a nutritionist but will probably lead to an overinflated ego.. being healthy will lead to more performance as well as losing weight. you have no studies supporting your diet it's pretty much bs imo you're just gonna make a lot of people burn out. i mean you have to imagine peter reid was probably taking a lot of test so to a normal person on no drugs they would probably have hormonal issues dieting and training hard
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Can you email or pm me some more stories? That way I can blackmail him when he tries to punish me for something. Like getting married and going on a honeymoon this summer. I know it'll happen! And damn, probably shouldn't have posted this. Not looking forward to him changing this weekend workouts!

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i highly highly highly doubt you are a kona champion who are you normann... macca ?? i mean i'm looking to break 10 this season in 18-24 hopefully i'll be at kona next year so i'm competitive in my ag just because you have been to kona and performed well does not make you a champion or a nutritionist but will probably lead to an overinflated ego.. being healthy will lead to more performance as well as losing weight. you have no studies supporting your diet it's pretty much bs imo you're just gonna make a lot of people burn out. i mean you have to imagine peter reid was probably taking a lot of test so to a normal person on no drugs they would probably have hormonal issues dieting and training hard

Whoah buddy, slow down now! I think you might have accidentally taken an extra adderall pill this morning. Don't go calling the untarnished Canadian champion Pete Reid a dope-cheat. There are plenty of Canucks on here that will rightly take offence to that.

All anyone on this thread is saying is: 1) champs are lean 2) lean means being pretty hungry sometimes 3) DD's method is an effective way to leverage that hunger for short term weight loss.

Now spin down the turbo and chill.

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idk what planet you live on but on earth pro athletes are paid to win and last i checked lance has never failed a drug test so why don't you piece together that info with the 4 calories you have available to you... but where in this thread is the part that you proved via peer reviewed research that it's legitimate
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I am curious what is the appropriate level of hunger to endure. I have nights where I will wake up at 1am and be absolutely starving...to the point where I cannot fall back asleep without eating something (typically carbs). I have tried everything..glass of water, celery sticks, carrots, nothing. Typically I will lay awake until my wakeup time (4:30am). I count all my calories in and out and I am strongly believe I am not underfueling during the day. I have experimented eating smaller dinners (500 calories) or larger dinners (1500+ calories) or high fiber/high fat for slower digestion with similar issues ... fall asleep at 9pm and wake up around 12-1am absolutely starving. Is this common? Do I just need to HTFU?
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"Been there, done that, got the XS t shirt. I still race at 6'0 and 135lbs and have some hungry nights. There is a difference between the two and it is prioritizing performance and not body dysmorphia."

I think I have this "body dysmorphia" you're talking about.
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I am curious what is the appropriate level of hunger to endure. I have nights where I will wake up at 1am and be absolutely starving...to the point where I cannot fall back asleep without eating something (typically carbs). I have tried everything..glass of water, celery sticks, carrots, nothing. Typically I will lay awake until my wakeup time (4:30am). I count all my calories in and out and I am strongly believe I am not underfueling during the day. I have experimented eating smaller dinners (500 calories) or larger dinners (1500+ calories) or high fiber/high fat for slower digestion with similar issues ... fall asleep at 9pm and wake up around 12-1am absolutely starving. Is this common? Do I just need to HTFU?

Guys, this thread was posted like 8 years ago, partially seriously, but partially a joke....some people on this thread are getting way to serious (not necessarily you, just replying back to the thread since i bumped it from several years ago). If you are hungry to the point you can't sleep, go and have a snack and get the sleep...that's going to be more important anyway.
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I think its pretty common based on the tenuous hormonal balance of a body in hard endurance training. If you are trying to get or stay lean while training your body is constantly battling low blood sugar between meals and workouts as glycogen is exhausted frequently. I think the mid-night munchies are usually just a little blood sugar crash and lights up your adrenal hormones keeping you alert to search for food. It happens to me maybe 2/3 nights in hard training. I usually just eat an apple or two and go back to sleep, 50-100 calories isn't going ruin your diet and it is worth the extra zzz's. I also try to hedge my sleep bets with a bed time snack on high expenditure days. I never said I personally follow this DD plan to the letter-everyone's different but the hunger comes into the equation somewhere.

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desert dude wrote:
Maybe I'll write a tell all book. It'll be a best seller if 15 sales makes one a best seller ;-)

First story of the book:

JOnny shows up late one Jan/early Feb when I was living in Tucson and had a roommate. I think I forgot to tell my roommate that he was showing up since my roommate was pissed at me when I got home. Clearly Jonny's fault since I wouldn't have anything to forget had he not been staying with me. He knew 2 words of english. Toaster and something else My French is atrocious...at best. We go for a run that evening. Now remember he's from some frozen tundra with no sunshine in the winter.I think they call it Canada or something like that. it's well north of Tucson and freaking cold in the winter. You can't go outside with skin exposed and expect to live...or so I've been told. He's not seen sunshine since July or August is my guess given how white his legs were. It would be an understatement to say the reflection from the streetlights off his skin was blinding. Every streetlight we ran under was like having a lightening bolt flash right next to you. If jonny was a paint color it'd be called "really, really, really, f*cking white and whiter still." We go for a 5k run, well he runs I jog, and I thought there is no way this dude is going to make it, he's got no business trying to be a FT triathlete.

And folks that's how I got my first ever migraine and jonny's adventure living with me started.


Sweet Enola Gay son, I do really love your posts.
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Thanks. I have read similar things too but didnt know what the die-hard ST'ers did. Yes it was during get lean times during Ironman prep so my body was hating me already. Didnt mean to hijack the comedy thread but felt it was pertinent with one of the "rules"
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eggplantOG wrote:
i highly highly highly doubt you are a kona champion who are you normann... macca ?? i mean i'm looking to break 10 this season in 18-24 hopefully i'll be at kona next year so i'm competitive in my ag just because you have been to kona and performed well does not make you a champion or a nutritionist but will probably lead to an overinflated ego.. being healthy will lead to more performance as well as losing weight. you have no studies supporting your diet it's pretty much bs imo you're just gonna make a lot of people burn out. i mean you have to imagine peter reid was probably taking a lot of test so to a normal person on no drugs they would probably have hormonal issues dieting and training hard


i think you're confusing Jordano that is replying to you and me and as posted this ''diet'' 8 years ago as a humoristic post to help some and make some laugh.

But now that you post this...this is become very funny! looking forward to learn more from your advice and best of luck in your quest to break 10h and make it to kona....sincerely

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holograham wrote:
I am curious what is the appropriate level of hunger to endure. I have nights where I will wake up at 1am and be absolutely starving...to the point where I cannot fall back asleep without eating something (typically carbs). I have tried everything..glass of water, celery sticks, carrots, nothing. Typically I will lay awake until my wakeup time (4:30am). I count all my calories in and out and I am strongly believe I am not underfueling during the day. I have experimented eating smaller dinners (500 calories) or larger dinners (1500+ calories) or high fiber/high fat for slower digestion with similar issues ... fall asleep at 9pm and wake up around 12-1am absolutely starving. Is this common? Do I just need to HTFU?

during heavy training block,. i did get those crazy hunger in the middle of the night. But i have to say that in those circumstances, nothing could have old me back and i would simply eat everything i could find in the fridge. that would be a really good clue that i overdid it in the starvation process!!! So while i think it s important for high performance to get very learn and be carefull in your intake... you should not have to get up in the middle of the night...feeling like your bonking.


I also found that it s much easier to lose the weight in hot environment vs cold. Ask most elite men.... when you start shivering in the water at the pool or in the ocean at kona...you know your reach the proper race weight and ready to run fast!

i dont advice to get this lean all the time or for all the races and it s not for everyone ... it s not a easy process on the body.

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Hey Jonnyo, when were you allowed to eat your giant DQ Blizzard?

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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks JonnyO...glad I'm not the only one. I had some painful nights during my ironman training blocks. I shouldve just ate the fridge!
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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jonnyo wrote:
holograham wrote:
I am curious what is the appropriate level of hunger to endure. I have nights where I will wake up at 1am and be absolutely starving...to the point where I cannot fall back asleep without eating something (typically carbs). I have tried everything..glass of water, celery sticks, carrots, nothing. Typically I will lay awake until my wakeup time (4:30am). I count all my calories in and out and I am strongly believe I am not underfueling during the day. I have experimented eating smaller dinners (500 calories) or larger dinners (1500+ calories) or high fiber/high fat for slower digestion with similar issues ... fall asleep at 9pm and wake up around 12-1am absolutely starving. Is this common? Do I just need to HTFU?


during heavy training block,. i did get those crazy hunger in the middle of the night. But i have to say that in those circumstances, nothing could have old me back and i would simply eat everything i could find in the fridge. that would be a really good clue that i overdid it in the starvation process!!! So while i think it s important for high performance to get very learn and be carefull in your intake... you should not have to get up in the middle of the night...feeling like your bonking.


I also found that it s much easier to lose the weight in hot environment vs cold. Ask most elite men.... when you start shivering in the water at the pool or in the ocean at kona...you know your reach the proper race weight and ready to run fast!

i dont advice to get this lean all the time or for all the races and it s not for everyone ... it s not a easy process on the body.

Oh yeah, I got that lean for Kona in 2006 (136 lbs) and 2013 (138 lbs) and was shivering in Kailua Bay...and I tried it at Whistler 2015 (138 lbs), except instead of 30C+ and a ton of climbing it was 7C and I should have been on the "jan ullrich insulation plan". But yeah, I got down to KQ weight for Whistler but was so cold i was 60 min of the slots which was the furthest i have been to the last rolldown in ages! So much for this stupid plan....I am going back to LARGE plate
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Re: 8 Gold rules by DESERT DUDE to lose weight and get in racing shape! [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
holograham wrote:
I am curious what is the appropriate level of hunger to endure. I have nights where I will wake up at 1am and be absolutely starving...to the point where I cannot fall back asleep without eating something (typically carbs). I have tried everything..glass of water, celery sticks, carrots, nothing. Typically I will lay awake until my wakeup time (4:30am). I count all my calories in and out and I am strongly believe I am not underfueling during the day. I have experimented eating smaller dinners (500 calories) or larger dinners (1500+ calories) or high fiber/high fat for slower digestion with similar issues ... fall asleep at 9pm and wake up around 12-1am absolutely starving. Is this common? Do I just need to HTFU?


Guys, this thread was posted like 8 years ago, partially seriously, but partially a joke....some people on this thread are getting way to serious (not necessarily you, just replying back to the thread since i bumped it from several years ago). If you are hungry to the point you can't sleep, go and have a snack and get the sleep...that's going to be more important anyway.

I love to throw out movie quotes (especially in business, or sport!).

From the classic "Stripes" Sargent Hulks says "Lighten up Francis." (pun intended in this case).

Hey Dev. a little secret (between you and I only). I raced WF ~5lbs lighter than previous years. The jokes on me though, I should be still at least 10 lighter. Gotta go to bed hungry-very rarely do though. I'm so naughty!

I saw this on a white board in a window box at my daughters middle school...
List of what life owes you:
1. __________
2. __________
3. __________
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