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The REAL Bjorn Pjorn
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So we had fun with some one off HED wheels that they made for us.... behold, Bjorn's 2007 Race Steed

Cervelo P3C size 56CM
HED Carbon one piece bars with Prototype Clamp setup (fixed from Silverman :-))
180 Campy Crankset to work with Ergomo BB 58x44 chainrings
Ergomo Pro with Proto type softare firmware
Look Keo Pedals
Full Shimano DA drive train
Zero Gravity Brakeset
SLR Saddle with cut off nose to meet UCI regulations
One of the race wheelsets that Bjorn will be using... that is the new HED all carbon disk
Custom stem made by HED to stiffen the front end

Note the bar setup. Jason and Bjorn have been working closely with the guys over at HED to reconfigure Bjorn's front end as well as positioning, so he can present a lower and smaller frontal profile to the wind while maintaining his power output...

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Nice. Not as psychedelic as with the other wheels but nice.

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MUCH BETTER! Do you guys have a photo studio hidden away in one of those cellars?
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hahah i knew it was bjorn's bike from the beginning, when bjorn wrote what idiot would ride that, i thought definitely bjorn seeing as how the bars are almost touching the front wheel, quite frankly I dont know of anyone else who's nose touches the front wheel other than bjorn. nice bike bjorn, i thought the wheels were better on the other one though. it's still cool to see what HED can do custom now.

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yup!!!

All the best,

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Why don't y'all just cut to the chase and switch his front wheel with his big chain ring, for chrissakes?

I got a nose bleed just looking at that!!


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Questions:

Why was there Campy Record on it yesterday?

Different tires front and rear?

HED makes stems?

How does he hold those s-bends? It looks like they are almost touching each other.



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whew, it's hot in here!
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I can wait to see this thing in action.

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I've been studying this photo. Would it be possible to get a youtube video of the wheel spinning?

Is anyone photoshop-savy enough to change the red to white on the rear wheel? I think that would look great but don't have the software or know how.
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still awful

sorry bjorn



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Care to fill us in on this prototype Ergomo firmware?
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Can you say anything about the new proto firmware ?

Why is there a black tape on the ergomo unit ?

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What's with the electrical tape over the bottom half of the Ergomo computer? Is Bjorn afraid to see how fast he's going?
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How did you mount he Ergomo to the cross piece on the aero bars?


thanks,

fal7
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This is how he is holding his hands- together.
Also, the only thing campy in the other photos is the crankset which it still is campy.

The below pics are from when we were out testing the new bike and bars before the custom HED stem was put on.

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The front end up close

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The Machine with his HED Bastogne training wheelset


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Leng] [ In reply to ]
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We cant say much yet as the bugs are still being worked out... but it is COOL! I have it on my system as well and I am enjoying it. it will be really cool for race setups.

The tape- we cover up some data while riding.


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [fal7] [ In reply to ]
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Call R&A, it is the HED CPU mount and I think is around $15 or so.


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Sweet bike ! Couldn't help but notice that the stem is a 2 bolt set up to the HED bar.....is that enough to hold a watt-monster like Bjorn ?? I'd MiG-weld that puppy once he's dialed in. Thanks for sharing Al !







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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Dave G] [ In reply to ]
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just wait, a little bird told me it will appear on ST in a week or so... oh and it will be really really cool...
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That stem isnt going anywhere!! It is one of the stiffest things around.


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Guys, is it me or are those aerobar extensions asymmetric ? If thats the case then that really is thinking outside the box. Very, very nice........
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Do you guys have the stats on the new HED disc?


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:-D

more projects coming!


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [SwordFish] [ In reply to ]
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Jeez its hard to believe that Bjorn is an elite runner. He definately not the cut defined elite tri physique.
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He's not the only one.......... 6ft 3' and 90kg with sub 10 bodyfat makes me look a lost gorilla....
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are the handlebars that close for comfort?
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So what does Bjorn think now that he has had a chance to test ride? It sounds like his position has changed and if so, how does he find the new position? Finally, FWIW - I hope he sticks with the IM distance as it would be noce to see him take a shot at Normann's KONA bike course record someday :)...

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He's not the only one.......... 6ft 3' and 90kg with sub 10 bodyfat makes me look a lost gorilla....

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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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They look asymmetric to me . The left extension looks virtually straight compared to the curvy right.
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [mjshapiro] [ In reply to ]
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He likes the new setup and position, he is a little more stretched out and still low but the watts are still there. Now its training time. First, the Tour of Belize, then Ironman South Africa. We will see what happens after IMSA.


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I thought Bjorn had officially retired from IM racing, or was that a Stones retirement?


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Lookout] [ In reply to ]
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No, to decrease his frontal profile.


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They look asymmetric to me . The left extension looks virtually straight compared to the curvy right.
I was referring to the old Scott one-piece aerobars.
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how much of that saddle did he need to cut to get5cm behind the BB? I know with my p3 and a SLR saddle I woulda had to almost cut it in half (at least 3 inches) with the 78 degree angle? And even then, he is still 75cm center BB to tip of extensions? Looks longer than that. Not that tris are UCI restricted.....
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They both are slightly curved, what you are seeing may be an illusion from the camera angle.


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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I used to use those on my downhill MTB circa 1990. I had some crazy ideas back then.........
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Is he racing for a pro team in Belize?

- Matt

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I thought Bjorn had officially retired from IM racing, or was that a Stones retirement?


Kind of but I got an oppurtunity to train in South Africa with the Swedish tri fed that I couldn't pass up and that means also doing the race. There are some new things I'd like to try as well but if it doesn't work out then that's it with Ironman.




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You'll like the bike course at IMSA. It's tailor made for you........
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how much of that saddle did he need to cut to get5cm behind the BB? I know with my p3 and a SLR saddle I woulda had to almost cut it in half (at least 3 inches) with the 78 degree angle? And even then, he is still 75cm center BB to tip of extensions? Looks longer than that. Not that tris are UCI restricted.....


No but I race cycling nats every year and then the UCI rules apply. I actually like the cut-off saddle so after trying it I decided to keep it for tris as well.




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Good to hear that Bjorn. As Bryce said the bike course would suit you and although the run course is a lot flatter than the Sherborne 1/2 course it one where you could keep an eye on the other guys too. Give them hell, doode!


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he is still 75cm center BB to tip of extensions? Looks longer than that. Not that tris are UCI restricted.....

The UCI allows you to bump that to 85 cm for "anatomical reasons", but only if your elbow angle remains less than (IIRC) 110 degrees.
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Jeez its hard to believe that Bjorn is an elite runner. He definately not the cut defined elite tri physique.


That's probably why I'm not a great runner then.. I'm about 6-7kg above racing weight in those pics as well but yeah I have heavy build.




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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.uci.ch/...0equipmt%20gen-e.pdf

Err .. make that 80cm and 120 degrees.

Rule 1.3.023 pg. 5 of the PDF.

-30C windchill here this evening so I'm a little bored :-)
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I hope you eventually decide to stick with the IM distance and are able to work things out.

- Matt

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Without seeming controversial, the rotor and q rings appear to have gone..............
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A 56cm eh Bjorn. How tall are you. I've always felt my 51cm may be a little small.

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Jeez its hard to believe that Bjorn is an elite runner. He definately not the cut defined elite tri physique.


That's probably why I'm not a great runner then.. I'm about 6-7kg above racing weight in those pics as well but yeah I have heavy build.
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Best of luck this year on the Bjorn pjorn. I would love to see a pic of your road setup...any chance of that?
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Is the preference of the Hed 3 over a Stinger 90 a result of the wind tunnel tests? I guess Bjorn's Choice of the stingers in the his relay adventure was just a course specific change.

I think Obree has been using the hands together approach in his TT's lately and he seems to have a nack of using positions that end up being very effective - I would quite like to see Bjorn try the his tuck position or the superman one ;-) .

I currently use the shallow extensions going straight out but I am tempted to try some deep extensions tilted in to bring the hands together but retain the same rise as the shallow extensions.
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Sorry to hear that it's a custom stem. I have my adjustable in a similar position on My Softie (so no I'm not in the same position--my head tube is WAY taller than his and my legs WAY SHORTER) but would like to find a similar stem without spending a lot of $$$$$$.

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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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the scott 100K right? i don't think to many people remeber them, but i do. i think Kick willet still uses them.
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I think Obree was running just one aerobar!

Anyone know if the pics earlier were from last weekend?



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Currently have the Ritchey Pro Road adjustable stem and would still like to get lower. Bjorn was nice enough to tell me that previously he had used the ITM adjustable stem for 6 years. He had one break on him, hence the Hed custom stem. The Ritchey seems rock solid, but would like to try the ITM as it has a wider range of adjustment. Wonder if it's strong enough for mere mortals?

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i think the 100K still had the hands apart. The Extreme had them together. Or maybe I've got that reversed...

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Okay, I did some searches and can't find any pics...

Any one out there have pics of the old Scott Extreme and 100K bars?

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Bjorn has in his arsenal of wheels the disk, trispoke pair, HED Stinger 90s and a few custom wheels and prototypes. Wheel selections will be made usually the AM of a race based on the weather and the course. The 90s and the trispokes behave differently in different conditions and courses. He will be road racing on Stinger 90s during the Tour of Belize and he will use 90s on certain courses and the disk tri, or disk 90 or trispoke pair on other courses and conditions.


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If you get him any lower than he already is, he will be looking backwards while he is riding!

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I second what Felipe said....

Also I went to your site Felipe and its like a Fucking Party in there..the lights went out in my room and strobe lights came on! Cool site design though.

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are those tires on the race wheels conti competitions?
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I have to admit, I just had a little dance party over at your site, too. Then I found myself at your gallery, and got distracted... that zoom function is awesome

;-)

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Zach,

I will take that as a compliment! :-)

You coming to Gainesville to train in March? Would love to have some company!

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Hahaha, thanks Jodi! I feel violated!
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Hed had to make that out of Kryptonite to keep him from breaking it. Of course, that would slow him down.

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Great site Felipe. Sandstorm is Sergio Jr's, favorite song. He says that just playing it in his head when TTing adds a couple of kph to his average speed ;).
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Sergio -

Thanks! I have seen the photos and updates on your kid and he seems to be on the correct route. Now tell him that if he is playing songs on his mind while TT'ing, he isn't going fast enough.

It is like Bjorn once said ( so I don't feel like I totally hijacked the guy's thread): " If you feel totally in control, you're not going fast enough."

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I am not sure yet...either Clermont, New Mexico, or possibly Gainesville.

Although last time I was in Gainesville my training partner "MSTEIN" got a concussion when we had a big wreck on a training ride.......Christian was with us too.

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i think the 100K still had the hands apart. The Extreme had them together. Or maybe I've got that reversed...

I think Greg Welch won Hawaii in 1994 with a pair of those bars...


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We are getting there, but he still needs to turn his head to look back ;-)

This is one of my favorite photos of Bjorn, borrowed from Tim Moxey of digitaltriathlon.com:




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Seat appears too high

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It's official, just like we suspected. Bjorn has a birth defect that forces him to ride in the fetal position. He has trained for many years an no longer sucks his thumb. That is left to those in his wake when they foolishly try to hold his wheel.

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Sergio -

Thanks! I have seen the photos and updates on your kid and he seems to be on the correct route. Now tell him that if he is playing songs on his mind while TT'ing, he isn't going fast enough.

It is like Bjorn once said ( so I don't feel like I totally hijacked the guy's thread): " If you feel totally in control, you're not going fast enough."

Thanks for your kind words Felipe. I spoke with Sergio Jr. over the phone. I gave him the link to your site. He thinks that your site is awesome.

He agrees with you that he would not play any song on his head at a race, but also mentioned that he loves to play Sandstorm (your site's theme song) in his head on training rides, even when pedaling hard. Maybe that shows that he is still just a kid :).

When I translated Bjorn's quote: "If you feel totally in control, you're not going fast enough", he immediately asked if this is the reason why he lost control of his right eye three days ago when he rode his P2SL faster than ever in one of his favorite routes. It scared him but he did not even flinched on his pedaling. I was very worried when he told me after finishing the ride that he lost again -after a long time of this not happening- control of his right eye (exotropic strabism). I think I know now why that happened and it is not as bad as it seems. It does have to do with him using a new stem, similar to the one Bjorn is using (see photo below). He is faster (and a happy kid) now in his new position, but we will have to work on that strabism.

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Holy, schnikes! That's alot of drop on the bars...has Cervelo thought about making a 5 mm headtube...:)

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But yet he's moved away from Rotors. Is that just a sponsor change thing or something more significant ?
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Bjorn is sponsored by Ergomo, so he cannot use Rotor Cranks anymore because they re not compatible and Rotor cannot make Qrings large enough for him. So there was a sponsor change there but he is still on good terms with Rotor as he likes the product alot.


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Bjorn is a stud rider and everyone knows that on this forum.

I have to ask though, any thoughts on moving the front end up so that Bjorn can actually digest the calories needed to run? Or move the aerobars out a just ittle so the diaphram has more room to breath...again, so he can run?

Triathletes have to run.

Note: I say this little tid-bit from experience. I tried the deep dive/aero look at muskoka last year and though I had an amazing bike split I Bjorn'd the run at 3K and walked back to the car.
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>>I have to ask though, any thoughts on moving the front end up so that Bjorn can actually digest the calories needed to run? Or move the aerobars out a just ittle so the diaphram has more room to breath...again, so he can run?<<


This has been covered ad nauseum on this forum- Bjorn's position has nothing to do with digestion or ventilation. He breaths just fine. Issues with Bjorn's nutrition is getting enough calories in over an Ironman, not digestion. Due to peristalsis, you can drink eate and digest upside down, let alone in a low aero position. What does happen when Bjorn gets his nutrition right? He will win a race like Timberman 70.3 by over 10 minutes. We worked really hard with Mike Folan from InfinIT to dial in what Bjorn needs nutrition wise and since we have done that this summer, we have not had issues since. The litmus test will be when he races Ironman South Africa and we will see if he an absorb enough calories over 180k instead of the 90k in a 70.3.


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this is GREAT NEWS! I hope he pulls it off.
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the Scott Extreme bars had the hands together. I still have a pair in the garage somewhere. I used to ride them with my hands clasp together in kind of a "praying" type thing.
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http://www.uci.ch/...0equipmt%20gen-e.pdf

Err .. make that 80cm and 120 degrees.

Rule 1.3.023 pg. 5 of the PDF.

You're right - it's 85 cm when you measure from the nose of the saddle (which I find easier to do).

The bad news is that even at that distance, my elbows are at only ~100 deg, i.e., my "cockpit" is still too short.
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i think the 100K still had the hands apart. The Extreme had them together. Or maybe I've got that reversed...
No, you've got it correct (although to confuse things a bit more, Scott also made at least a few 100K Extreme bars, i.e., 100K bars where the final bend brought the tips together ala the Extremes).
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glad to hear about the infinit! Do they have the ability to test sweat there? It gives all us big guys who grew up in cold climates playing ice hockey some hope!

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Hello R&A Cycles and All,

Why the Wolf CL fork instead of SL?

Cheers,

Neal

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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [nealhe] [ In reply to ]
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The CL fork is the OEM fork- it is just as aero as the TT if not more. Also, Bjorn prefers non carbon steerer tubes.

All the best,

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am I the only person who thought this thread would have scandalous pics of Bjorn and not his bike? *disappointed*

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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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yes 100 deg. isn't anywhere near an "Obree approved" position is it?. I really don't know why the UCI are so restrictive and really what appears to be arbitrarily restrictive. 5cm setback isn't much of an issue for me but the 80cm extension certainly is whereas a shorter person or with short femurs may encounter the exact opposite.

danged if I know.
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"am I the only person who thought this thread would have scandalous pics of Bjorn and not his bike? *disappointed*"


I was right there with ya! The ladies deserve more pics...

;-)

Jodi
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Great pix...thanks for sharing with all of us "Monday morning quarterbacks" sitting at our desks:)

My only comment (besides "Oh my gosh! That's a lot of drop") is the shifter cable routing doesn't look real clean. Would seem a lot better if the cables exited the extensions on top (near the Ergo display) and then went over the top of the base bars.

Best of luck this season Bjorn...kick ass!
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what the f...
"rubbing my eyes", is that SPACERS??
Bjorn, I thought you didn't use spacers!! ;-)
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Are you talking about the spacers ABOVE the stem bc there are none below it.

The reason that there are spacers above the stem is Bjorn sells his bikes at the end of the year and cutting the steerer tube hampers sales sometimes.


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The reason that there are spacers above the stem is Bjorn sells his bikes at the end of the year and cutting the steerer tube happers sales sometimes.

Does he get much for them? With the wheels hanging off and the bent cranks and so forth after he's thrashed them for a year I don't know if an ex-bjorn bike is a selling point...

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I notice that the Nokon's do not run all the way up to the shifters. Any reason for this. I have seen this on a few other bikes. Also have you tought about running the cable housing inside the extensions. I know that Hed does not have this option but you could easily drill out the extensions and have them exit just infront of the clamping mechanism and then run the cables under the bolt where there is a grove provided by Hed (well at least there is on my Fliplites).

The bike looks amazing and all the best to your team and Bjorn this season.

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I forgot that these are prototypes and they do not have the same mounting brackets as the older version so just ignore the part about the internal cables.

AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT

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Thanks for posting the link to the UCI specifications required to make a bike UCI legal, but I cannot find where is there rule about aerobars needing to be below the height of one's saddle, which as I understand helped eliminate the 'Superman' position. Is this 'rule' still in effect?



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You are obvious right, I must have misremembered, I was sure he usually cut the top as well.

Yes I know he sells his bikes, sadly I missed his wheel sale out this year (or last year to be correct)
Although I havenít seen the soloist for sale yet? (but sadly it would be too large for med anyway, my Look 585 for do for now)
Cheers,
Martin
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The guys at R&A have found that there is no need to run the Nokons up the bar extensions and that standard housing works just fine there. We have thought about drilling the extensions to allow internal cables, but since we have been experimenting with the extensions and their rotation, it is easier to leave it how we have it.


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He still has his SLC at home. We are building up at R&A his SLC that he will ride at the Tour of Belize soon!


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Ari, I have a question. Is Bjorn going to swim and run everyday while racing that Tour?
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I don't recall seeing that. I believe the 75cm-80cm extension & arm angle pretty much cuts out the Superman. I suppose if you slide your saddle way, way back something might be possible.
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No, he really wont have much time, so for those 9 days, he is playing cyclist only.


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Keep the spacers for retail value, or ditch them for apparently significant aero savings? (See the MIT thread.)
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UCI long ago banned the superman position, regardless of other measurements.

Ric
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What is the angle on the stem??

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UCI long ago banned the superman position, regardless of other measurements.

Ric
So if I call it a Batman then it is okay? You have to define the position using measurements in order to objectively ban it.


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The angle in the stem is 37.5-
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what is that low profile top cover for the headset ? FSA? could you specify the model/number as I need one for my p2sl.

thanks,
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It is an FSA that we had lying around. Ill have to check on the part number and PM ya with it.


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I was doing some thinking and seeing how drastic Bjorn's negative stem is, i came up with this idea. See pic below..




Basically, its an unconventional way of thinking. The red section represents the cutout section in the frame and the black colored thingy is the stem. Who says that the stem has to be clamped to the top of the headtube. What if the front of the headtube had a cutout where the stem would pass through and then the steerer tube continues to the top of the frame and the capped off at the top. All you would be doing is moving the clamped area of the stem lower between the 2 hearset bearings which would make the steerer assembly stronger. With the advancement of carbon frames, almost all kinds of shaped can be made up. Multiple layers of carbon can also be laid in the cutout area to strengthen the frame area. So what if the head tube is a little beefier and wider. The aerodynamics gained from moving the rider's body lower would be wayyyy greater.

Of course, this would not be very feasible for the average bike rider because of the great drop. The frame will probably be a "one-of" or built for the tour riders only or something like that.

Hey Gerard, when u build off of this idea, don't forget to send me some cash (or at least a souped up bike. I'll settle for a P2C as long as its not this year's red/white/black color frame. I'll take the blue/black scheme).

Herbert, if you develop this idea first before Cervelo, i'll take a Lucero.



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That has been done, at least on on steel frames. In the UK Dominic Sweeney used to ride time trials on with just that system (not sure what he rides now). Not dissimilarly, Chris Boardman used to ride bars that sprouted from the top of his forks.
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Awww... crap..! But not on carbon frames, right..? So, can i still hope for a carbon frame sponsorship from Cervelo or QR..? Come-on, throw me a bone, will ya, guys..?



Paul..
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Paul] [ In reply to ]
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That isn't a new idea. Gitane built TT bikes like that in the early 80's.

Why would that result in the rider's body being lower that an adjustable stem or custom conventional stem, or a custom, conventional frame, could not result in?

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You get 2 green stars for your mastery of MS Paint. Take your artwork home and maybe your mommy will hang it on the refrigerator.
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looks a heck of a lot like my 7$ nashbar stem. even the measurements are the same.
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Why would that result in the rider's body being lower that an adjustable stem or custom conventional stem, or a custom, conventional frame, could not result in?

Don't ask me that. I can get level using a regular frame. U might wanna ask Jasonogk or Bjorn that question. To me, i feel that if i can get my torso level to the ground, then thats plenty good enough. Plus, if my head gets any lower, my neck muscles are gonna have a hard time the longer the race gets.

Maybe the current position that Bjorn has is actually a compromise as he could not find a stem that will yield a lower position. Now look at my pic, what if... the stem was flipped around and set in a negative configuration in the "new frame with the cut-out". Now thats what u would call rubbing your nose on the front tire.

So.., does someone wanna tell me why Gitane does not build bikes that way anymore, instead of criticizing me..? How about thinking "outside of the box"..? We all know that the rear wheel cutout was developed some time back and Cervelo popularized it with the P3, so why will the headtube cutout be a bad idea..? Maybe 10 years from now, the bikes at Walmart will also sport the cutout headtubes.



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Now you're thinking Leonardo!
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Ari, I have a question. Is Bjorn going to swim and run everyday while racing that Tour?


That's pretty funny though I'm not sure Jason follows Entourage.. ;-)

And to correct Jason slightly I will try and run every day during the tour. Swim every day? Not likely.. I'm happy if I swim every week nowdays unfortunately. I hope Jonas and I can bump up the swim training when we get to South Africa a couple of weeks before that race instead.




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Let's hug it out, bitch... ;-)
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Ahh I get it now- and your right bjorn, I dont watch the show, seen it a few times but thats about it. Funny guy you are paulo


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And i can find this where.


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extremes...



can't find the photos of the 100k bars I sold to charles howe. basically, the ends do not come together and the widest portion is much narrower...

hth,

g


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ya those are dope bars. heaven forbid you have to make any technical turns with them though. perfect for out and backs though. surprised no one has re-released a copy with carbon arm pads and carb bar. whole setup could be like 300g.
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [str8dum] [ In reply to ]
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Jason,

Does Bjorn trains on this bike, or he have a regular road bike for everyday training?
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can't find the photos of the 100k bars I sold to charles howe. basically, the ends do not come together and the widest portion is much narrower...
They were also flatter, i.e., the tubing ran all in one plane except for a slight upkick at the ends to meet your hands.
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [str8dum] [ In reply to ]
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ya those are dope bars. heaven forbid you have to make any technical turns with them though. perfect for out and backs though.

The Extremes were 36 cm wide, which is more than wide enough to provide adequate control through tight turns, allow out-of-the-saddle climbing, etc.

The Scott 100k bars were significantly narrowerer, but were still wide enough for anything that didn't require getting out of the saddle.

The Hooker 'aero or die' bars were only ~15 cm wide, but many still used them even on technical courses.

I suppose it all depends on your perspective...
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Bjorn trains on his P3c the majority of his training. He will ride the SLC when he is getting ready for some road racing but for the most part, he is on the P3c.


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Andrew Coggan] [ In reply to ]
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it musta been the 100k bars i have tried then also trying to stand out of a corner. 35mm wide is fine. most handle bars are just barely wider.

yeah those hooker bars were the del. Wasnt there a pro women at kona that didnt eevn have a basebar? custom Cat i think?

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ya those are dope bars. heaven forbid you have to make any technical turns with them though. perfect for out and backs though.

The Extremes were 36 cm wide, which is more than wide enough to provide adequate control through tight turns, allow out-of-the-saddle climbing, etc.

The Scott 100k bars were significantly narrowerer, but were still wide enough for anything that didn't require getting out of the saddle.

The Hooker 'aero or die' bars were only ~15 cm wide, but many still used them even on technical courses.

I suppose it all depends on your perspective...
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Natascha Badman on her Cheetah. It can be configured with a base bar and I think she's done it that way in the past but then dropped them - guess that's commitment :)



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it musta been the 100k bars


pic of 100k bars



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here


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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Paul] [ In reply to ]
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I know a guy who owns a Walser with a stem just like that.
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [jasonogk] [ In reply to ]
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Jason or others,

What brand is the stem on Bjorn's bike? Thanks.

Regards,
Matt
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [docfuel] [ In reply to ]
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Dimension makes 35 deg flip-flop stems (26.0 clamp) for road bikes. I recently bought two from www.universalcycles.com. Fixed stems are available for in black or white. Weight seem okay for the price $22. Deda makes Newton Pista Stem for 31.8 clamps. However it is not that aggressive and costs 4-8 times more. Dimension makes also adjustable stems ($25) for 26.0 and 31.8 with design almost identical to mu-u-uch more expensive OvalConcepts adjustable road stem.
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That's great! thanks.

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That's an awesome link there, I have been looking for something inexpensive, adjustable and durable to try stuff out!


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Had Bjorn wave at us while taking pics during race week in SA - seemed to be enjoying himself and a real nice guy. As for Natascha - had the pleasure of running with her for a while, she SERIOUSLY knows how to enjoy herself during an IM. I know it has been said before, but tri really has some pros that are friendly and genuine!!!
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That's an awesome link there, I have been looking for something inexpensive, adjustable and durable to try stuff out!
I'm glad, it helped. I think, Bjorn motivated many, myself including, to try more aggressive position. It is never to late - just do it. I started two years ago and it works for me.
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Re: The REAL Bjorn Pjorn [Harken Banks] [ In reply to ]
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It was actually made for him by HED but you can get similar stems from a few different places. Look for some more HED proto stuff on Bjorn's bikes in the coming months.


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