but for future reference - you can appeal DQs.
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Not if the DQ is a result of not serving a penalty. ETA: Or shall I say- you wont win an appeal if you don't serve a penalty (even if it turns out a unjustified penalty). So I'm guessing the race will gladly take your $50 and hear your case only to say "you didn't serve your penalty, it's the only rule we cant clarify our decision on because of that....DQ stands".
Which is what was in that case. So as I said, I would have gladly accepted the DQ and we did cus they weren't going to change it. They only changed it in the middle of the night when they realized this happened to 4 athletes- IE officials didn't communicate properly between officials to put the numbers on the penalty board and allow the athletes to serve their penalties properly. Of course this was a race with a 1st time new "lead official" so they had some kinks, and I believe it's also why they reinstated the DQ's when they realized it was basically their fault. 5 kids aren't going to miss serving their penalties at a national championship event. Maybe 1, but not 5 kids.
So as I said, I was fine with not being able to appeal it. I just wanted understanding on how to deal with that circumstance moving forward...IE- I wanted to make sure they understood it was weird to DQ an athlete for not serving a penalty that they never made the athlete aware of and thus he never "missed" serving the penalty. Your only penalized in ITU if ITU gives you a penalty. You only stop to serve a penalty if ITU acknowledges you and the key- makes the athlete aware of the infraction and thus needing to sit out for the prescribed time. That procedure fails if the race doesn't let the athlete know it needs to serve a penalty.
ETA: Which to bring it back to MTR- I find it interesting that in the pre-race inspection no officials made any of the athletes aware of this. They usually do a very very good job of helping athletes being able to race properly. And yes the uniform is part of the equipment inspection along with your bike/wheels/brakes/helmet/decals that every athlete has to get checked before any DL event. Of course it sounds like they only got busted because it was appealed by the other uni's and I'm guessing last year no one cared to appeal it (Jack wore basically the same style suit when he won it last year).
ETA #2- But an athlete can be post race DQ'd etc if they in fact are guilty of unfair play and another athlete protests said athlete. In these cases it has more to do with "aggressiveness" while out racing and not "I saw 1 toe over the line, DQ him". Littering, foul language, abusive behavior around others, cutting the course with no officials around, etc would be things that could be protested, an infraction such as "mount" line error imo aint going to be changed.
Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Not if the DQ is a result of not serving a penalty. ETA: Or shall I say- you wont win an appeal if you don't serve a penalty (even if it turns out a unjustified penalty). So I'm guessing the race will gladly take your $50 and hear your case only to say "you didn't serve your penalty, it's the only rule we cant clarify our decision on because of that....DQ stands".
Which is what was in that case. So as I said, I would have gladly accepted the DQ and we did cus they weren't going to change it. They only changed it in the middle of the night when they realized this happened to 4 athletes- IE officials didn't communicate properly between officials to put the numbers on the penalty board and allow the athletes to serve their penalties properly. Of course this was a race with a 1st time new "lead official" so they had some kinks, and I believe it's also why they reinstated the DQ's when they realized it was basically their fault. 5 kids aren't going to miss serving their penalties at a national championship event. Maybe 1, but not 5 kids.
So as I said, I was fine with not being able to appeal it. I just wanted understanding on how to deal with that circumstance moving forward...IE- I wanted to make sure they understood it was weird to DQ an athlete for not serving a penalty that they never made the athlete aware of and thus he never "missed" serving the penalty. Your only penalized in ITU if ITU gives you a penalty. You only stop to serve a penalty if ITU acknowledges you and the key- makes the athlete aware of the infraction and thus needing to sit out for the prescribed time. That procedure fails if the race doesn't let the athlete know it needs to serve a penalty.
ETA: Which to bring it back to MTR- I find it interesting that in the pre-race inspection no officials made any of the athletes aware of this. They usually do a very very good job of helping athletes being able to race properly. And yes the uniform is part of the equipment inspection along with your bike/wheels/brakes/helmet/decals that every athlete has to get checked before any DL event. Of course it sounds like they only got busted because it was appealed by the other uni's and I'm guessing last year no one cared to appeal it (Jack wore basically the same style suit when he won it last year).
ETA #2- But an athlete can be post race DQ'd etc if they in fact are guilty of unfair play and another athlete protests said athlete. In these cases it has more to do with "aggressiveness" while out racing and not "I saw 1 toe over the line, DQ him". Littering, foul language, abusive behavior around others, cutting the course with no officials around, etc would be things that could be protested, an infraction such as "mount" line error imo aint going to be changed.
Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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B_Doughtie: Apr 7, 19 17:26