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Calling brilliant data minds: deep thoughts on yaw -- help me out y'all
It's been well established by both Mavic (link) and Flo (link and link) and Trek (link) that yaw probability calculations should be used instead of straight averages of the drag across the sweep. Both of these companies are thought leaders in this space, both used a similar methodology, including testing on the same course (Kona) -- yet frankly, the results don't agree that much. Some firms use the Mavic data for the weighting because it is strongly biased towards high yaw (Kona) compared to the Flo data, which is much more concentrated at low yaw. Flo says 70% of the time spent riding happens between -5 and 5, while Mavic says that figure is less than 40%. You see the challenge. This is the type of difference that could change the order of some of these bicycles from a ranking perspective, so I want to tread carefully here in using this very important input.

I think for simplicity the goal should be to come up with a ponderation law or ponderance curve, which is Mavic's pretentious term for "probability" or "histogram" or "distribution". Flo uses a description: percentage of time spent in yaw angle range. Trek uses something similar except that they bifurcated their research by probability data collected on two different IRONMAN course -- Kona and Wisconsin -- which is presented in a simple histogram with time on the y axis. Can you see who directed their report at consumers and who didn't. Anyways, they are saying the same thing just differently. We need to come up with a cumulative density function, effectively, on which to calculate "weighted average drag [change]" or "net drag reduction value", Mavic and Flo's terms, respectively. These are very simple calculations once you have the histogram and make an assumption about what to do beyond -10 and 10 with your discrete data points from those angles, given the reality that we don't know what happens at high yaw in terms of stalls and the like.

If TinyPic weren't broken I'd paste some charts, but here are the links.

Ponderation law (Mavic): link
Global results law (Mavic): link
Kona ponderation law (Mavic): link
Flo percentage of time at yaw angle range link
Trek probability (page 11, which you'll have to count to because they don't have page numbers -- shaking my head): link

This exercise is for you. What makes you most comfortable? Where do your biases lie -- toward the research that points to low you concentration or high yaw concentration?

Finally, I don't actually have any of this raw data except from Flo. I can't look at a bar chart pic and convert it into a spreadsheet. So if anyone is willing to provide the Mavic data raw, I would be grateful.
Last edited by: kileyay: Apr 20, 17 12:32

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  • Post edited by kileyay (Dawson Saddle) on Apr 20, 17 12:32