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Re: 100/100 Runs Challenge (Started Dec 15th, not too late to join) [Mike Plumb]
Mike....if you read pretty well every book on running, there is not a single "mainstream running program" that preaches runs of exclusively 30 minutes each. While your situation may be different, it is perhaps more of an outlier than optimal training as generally accepted by the running world. Sure it works for you, but you're doing a lot more than a massive amount of minimum runs only.

But let me ask you this....if one's knees bother them beyond a certain point, is it worth running 80 miles per week, when one might just be better off cutting it back to 50 miles and replacing the extra runs with riding or swimming, or strength training or core training?

A question to all of us more than you specifically, but what is the cost benefit of those final 20 miles per week in our programs? If one is on 20 miles per week, getting up to 40 might yield massive gains. If already at 40 then going to 60 for some who are biomechanically sound might offer an additional level of payback, whereas, for others already with suspect chassis, this might start falling into the high risk low reward category.

Going from 60-80, the sliver of the tri population benefiting from the further increase in mileage starts to fall offdramatically, the risks going higher and higher for the mainstream. We each have to look at our mix of mileage, intensity, overall load, impact on immediate performance, and impact on long term sustainability. Most of us don't ask these questions until it is too late.

I'm just putting this out there NOW starting week three so people think a bit before they get too far in and implode. Still over 80 days of running left. We've barely gotten out of the starting gate.


As for aerobic points, my training is no different than what I normally do (in fact it is less ski volume and way more intensity than normal....can show you my hard copy logs from 2005-2008, or you can look at my Dec 2008 right here on ST before the points system was instituted).

When Slowman set up the log (before aerobic points were included), as a user of the log, I asked for walking/hiking and XC skiing to be included (as you know, this was Slowman's first competitive sport while in highschool in Lake Tahoe). That's before they set up points for each sport in each challenge. Anyway, go sort every challenge through the year (including thse over the summer and guess who ends up top 10 by points when there is just biking swim run). Again, I did not set up the points system, slowman did. I do the training I am going to do to have success in racing, not because a spreadsheet exists somwhere online (you know that from my race results).

EDIT:

Log data added in (please note that in the first part of Dec 2008, 247 km of XC ski was logged in other before the category was added by the ST log per my request....so really 586K)

Dec-08

xcski 23:55 339 km
other 17:45 247 km
bike 10:10 312 km
swim 1:52 6,200 m
run 22:30 291.5 km
Total 76:12 1,195.7 km

Dec-09 (excludes Dec 31....I'll be doing 4.5 hours tomorrow)
xcski 26:48 388 km
other 2:35 0 km
bike 22:18 740 km
run 17:23 213.5 km
Total 69:04 1,341.5 km

If anything could you guys ask Slowman to get XC skiing points derated. Right now doing 9 miles of XC skiing in an hour gets you 27 points. Swimming 2700 meters in an hour gets you 27 points, running 6.75 miles in an hour gets you 27 points. Riding 27 miles in an hour gets you 27 points (this one would be almost impossible....). I'd prefer if you only got 20 points off 9 miles (~2.25 points per mile, or even 2.5 would be better). I've already explained this many times to Rappstar and Slowman. Would love it if you could lobby for that. Anyway, look at most active users for the last month by hours...guess who is there...and I was in Nov, Oct, Sep....its just what I do.
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