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Re: Something borrowed...something FAST! [Manko]
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"It's a shame that you've chosen to hide behind deliberate obtuseness and semantic arguments. I guess if you can't debate the substance of the arguments, these are the means to which you resort."

On the one hand we have those proposing a testing methodology supported with data purporting one position, on the other hand we have another who disagrees with that position supporting his disagreement with?

How was it that you decided the p3c was faster than the alternative frame?


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...on the other hand we have another who disagrees with that position supporting his disagreement with?
A well-established body of knowledge on cognitive biases? I'm pointing out weak study design. Critical appraisal doesn't necessarily involve providing alternative data or hypotheses; pointing out weaknesses in study design and potential threats to validity is part of the process of determining how strong we should consider the evidence presented in the study to be.

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How was it that you decided the p3c was faster than the alternative frame?

Well, I've acknowledged that it's unlikely, though not impossible, that the magnitude of the delta CdA attributable to positional differences and/or power meter differences is large enough to obliterate the entire observed CdA. The logical conclusion then is that the P3C is probably a faster frame.

I have a problem with adopting a "P3C is 2s/km faster than the P2K" rule of thumb based on this study, because if position changes/power meter differences account for a significant portion of the delta CdA, and based on my understanding of cognitive biases they may, then this sort of rule doesn't hold any water.

It's a shame that Drs Coggan and Chung are so willing to point out the problems in the research of others, while at the same time unwilling to acknowledge those inherent in research consistent with their methods. There is no perfect study design, and failing to acknowledge the weaknesses of a study you've designed just weakens your position. Resorting to personal insults doesn't help either.


Last edited by: donm: May 30, 08 3:15

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  • Post edited by donm (Dawson Saddle) on May 30, 08 3:15