endosch2 wrote:
Ai_1 wrote:
endosch2 wrote:
I would argue that before anyone is allowed to talk about yaw angles and Cda we should ask them to post a picture of themselves to judge their BF percentage and also their training logs to see if they are really going to gain from anything bike related. Some times we are talking to people who are 50 lbs overweight and we are talking about yaw angles.
Gosh, are such people allowed to post here? 50lbs overweight, how horrifying. Yes, let's get pictures and tell them what we think, and what they're permitted to think..... I've read some ludicrous and downright ignorant posts on ST. This one's right up there. You owe everyone who inadvertently read that an apology.
It was a dose of a little sarcasm, sorry if I offended you. I am maybe a little jaded and worn down by a question that has no possibility for an objective or truthful answer.
I know this is ST and people talk about aero and Cda incessantly. When you are getting into a discussion of the difference between two equally awesome mid level bikes, we start talking about white papers, which are written by various company marketing folks, I would just back off a bit and ask - does it really matter? Waistlines and training is supremely more important than any difference you could conjur up between these two bikes. The industry wants you to be a tech weenie, the hook is set. It is like someone who weighs 250 pounds asking which wheel is faster, I am just pointing out it is a distraction from what should matter. Are you really going to do that much better on a P2 vs a IA 16? Here is my prediction: Cervelos white paper says their bike is faster. Felts white paper says their bike is faster. Both white papers have different testing conditions. Both ignore some competitive models and include other competitive models.
See that's a much better post and I agree with quite a bit of it! Could you not have started with that?
However, while I agree with quite a bit, I still think you're missing the point with regards the weight comments. Someone who weighs 250lbs asking which wheel is faster is not really more ridiculous than anyone else who's not in with a shot at placing in a race looking for an edge. Most of us are racing ourselves first and foremost. You can do that with any equipment you like. Some is more comfortable, some faster, some prettier, some more prestigious. People use it because they want to. It's a sport, and few are pros, competitive AGers or have aspirations to world domination. Arguing that any of us should meet criteria before indulging in technology comparisons is arguing that almost none of us should. The comments about weight or BF percentages miss the point more than the attitudes your criticising do.
