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Why no 12-32 cassettes?
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What is with the obsession with 11t cassette sprockets?

I'm looking to get some logical gearing for IM Wales, I'm a relatively strong rider (~4.2W/kg FTP) but the gradients out on course can exceed 15% and I've got it on pretty good authority that the descents are mostly technical, with barely any opportunity to really get some speed up.

I use a 52/36 chainset, and ideally would like a 12-32 cassette. I usually use an 11-28, where I live and train is similarly hilly and I often find myself at threshold or above in the 36/28 (the roads are pretty rough, which doesn't help)

Nowhere sells them. It seems that no matter how many teeth the biggest ring has, they always put an 11t at the tight end. The only exception is the 12-25, which is puzzling.

I'm probably going to end up buying a 12-25 and an 11-32 and frankencassetting them, it seems that they've really neglected the non-racing, touring demographic with the 11sp products.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I believe there was a 12-30 Ultegra cassette for 10-speed drivetrains. Campag 10sp had a 13-29.

Maybe look at MTB? I think I saw 12-36 cassettes, so that might be easier to Frankencassette into a 12-32.

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [tessar] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, the options in 10sp were much better.
I'm using 11sp though.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
What is with the obsession with 11t cassette sprockets?

I'm looking to get some logical gearing for IM Wales, I'm a relatively strong rider (~4.2W/kg FTP) but the gradients out on course can exceed 15% and I've got it on pretty good authority that the descents are mostly technical, with barely any opportunity to really get some speed up.

I use a 52/36 chainset, and ideally would like a 12-32 cassette. I usually use an 11-28, where I live and train is similarly hilly and I often find myself at threshold or above in the 36/28 (the roads are pretty rough, which doesn't help)

Nowhere sells them. It seems that no matter how many teeth the biggest ring has, they always put an 11t at the tight end. The only exception is the 12-25, which is puzzling.

I'm probably going to end up buying a 12-25 and an 11-32 and frankencassetting them, it seems that they've really neglected the non-racing, touring demographic with the 11sp products.


How about Miche?





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Last edited by: sciguy: Jul 30, 15 3:54
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe I'm not understanding the product, but isn't this just a 12t ring?
The cassettes in question all already have a 12t ring, they just have an 11t ring before it.

I essentially want an 11speed 12-32 cassette.
If I was being really specific:
12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25, 28, 32 would be perfect.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
Maybe I'm not understanding the product, but isn't this just a 12t ring?
The cassettes in question all already have a 12t ring, they just have an 11t ring before it.

I essentially want an 11speed 12-32 cassette.
If I was being really specific:
12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25, 28, 32 would be perfect.

It looks like they make a whole cassette that would work then and not too spendy either. See edited post above.

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Why not just get a compact crank?

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Sweeney wrote:
Why not just get a compact crank?

Yep

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, that looks like what I'm after
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Sweeney wrote:
Why not just get a compact crank?

I looked into this. It would cost more and wouldn't reduce the gain ratio as much.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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My guess the rationale for an 11-32 is that anyone wanting 32 is probably going up steep hills, hills that at some point they are going to want to go down, and the 11 could prove a bit more useful for going downhill.

I have an 11-32 cassette that I use on the rare occasion that I go riding in the mountains. My SRM is a 53/39, and for 98 percent of my riding, it perfectly fits my needs. The 39-32 combo is basically the same as a 34-27.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [topflightpro] [ In reply to ]
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Normally, I'd agree with you. What goes up must come down etc.

In the case of the Tenby bike course, there won't be many/any chances to get up above 35-40mph, so a 52/11 is sort of useless to me there.
I'd rather have a tighter mid-block.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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replace the chain rings with 50-34 instead and go with 11-28
Last edited by: jollyroger88: Jul 30, 15 7:23
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [jollyroger88] [ In reply to ]
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jollyroger88 wrote:
replace the chain rings with 50-34 instead and go along with the 11-28

I answered this a little further up the thread.

It'll cost me more to replace the chainrings, and going from a 36 to a 34 inner chainring won't lower the gain ratio as much as the switch from a 28 to a 32 cassette
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
jollyroger88 wrote:
replace the chain rings with 50-34 instead and go along with the 11-28


I answered this a little further up the thread.

It'll cost me more to replace the chainrings, and going from a 36 to a 34 inner chainring won't lower the gain ratio as much as the switch from a 28 to a 32 cassette

that's true, but for the 32t cog you're going to need a longer cage r/d if you don't already have one
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [jollyroger88] [ In reply to ]
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It's a good point.

I've already got a long cage derailleur, otherwise I'd be sticking a compact on there and calling it a day.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
What is with the obsession with 11t cassette sprockets?

I'm looking to get some logical gearing for IM Wales, I'm a relatively strong rider (~4.2W/kg FTP) but the gradients out on course can exceed 15% and I've got it on pretty good authority that the descents are mostly technical, with barely any opportunity to really get some speed up


Sorry to jump in on your question, but is Tenby that tough it needs such low gearing? I was hoping to get round on the 53/39 with a 11/28 cassette that is on the bike. I'm nowhere near as strong a rider as you. Should I be worrying and changing my gears?
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Triscilly] [ In reply to ]
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Triscilly wrote:
Liaman wrote:
What is with the obsession with 11t cassette sprockets?

I'm looking to get some logical gearing for IM Wales, I'm a relatively strong rider (~4.2W/kg FTP) but the gradients out on course can exceed 15% and I've got it on pretty good authority that the descents are mostly technical, with barely any opportunity to really get some speed up



Sorry to jump in on your question, but is Tenby that tough it needs such low gearing? I was hoping to get round on the 53/39 with a 11/28 cassette that is on the bike. I'm nowhere near as strong a rider as you. Should I be worrying and changing my gears?

It's fine, don't worry about it.

In short - Yes, you're best off with some easier gearing.
I've got no doubt that you can get round the course on the gears that you have, whether you'll be zapped on the run is another question.

Maybe I'm being a little anal about it, but there are similar climbs near my house that see me at >105% FTP just to turn the pedals at a reasonable cadence. If I can reduce the overload on those sections then I figure it'll pay dividends on the run.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [topflightpro] [ In reply to ]
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topflightpro wrote:
My guess the rationale for an 11-32 is that anyone wanting 32 is probably going up steep hills, hills that at some point they are going to want to go down, and the 11 could prove a bit more useful for going downhill.

My guess is that there are a lot of amateurs who have convinced themselves they need gearing higher than Eddy Merckx used.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
Yeah, the options in 10sp were much better.
I'm using 11sp though.

Well...if you liked the 10 speed 12-32 cassette that SRAM made, then the 11 speed is exactly the same but you add the 11t...no?
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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I've not tried it but Sram have 12-32 casstter you may need a long cage RD and some adjustment.

Call a few LBSs and/or speak to some who have done IM Wales.

You may even be able to use Shimano MTB cassette
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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I never used the 12-32 10sp cassette, I was just commenting that 12-xx cassettes are more common in 10sp

Personally I wouldn't use a 10sp 12-32, it would he a bit too "loose".
I love the 10sp 12-28 though, and use it on my road bike.
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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Triscilly] [ In reply to ]
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Triscilly wrote:

Sorry to jump in on your question, but is Tenby that tough it needs such low gearing? I was hoping to get round on the 53/39 with a 11/28 cassette that is on the bike. I'm nowhere near as strong a rider as you. Should I be worrying and changing my gears?

No... it's not that tough. I did IM Wales in 2012 on a 53/39 with a 12/27 cassette - my FTP/kg is about the same Liaman now, but I was slower 3 years ago. Not an issue. It's a hilly course for sure, and there are a couple of spots (Wiseman's Bridge, Narberth) where almost everyone will need to mash hard for a few seconds as the grade briefly hits >15% (allegedly >20%), but those spots are mercifully short.
The rest will be probably be fine with 39x28. Don't get me wrong - it's a hard ride, with lots of climbing for an IM course, but most riders will cope just fine on 53/39 with 11-28.

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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So for the guys suggesting a compact .... he already has a compact crank w/ a 52/ 36 ... 50/34 does not solve his equation

The issue 11/28 (10 or 11 speed) is that you lose the 16 in the middle ... for whatever reason I fish for the 16 so many times and it is not there ... 15 too much / 17 not enough (11 almost useless) so I deal with it. That said unless its a tough course (steeper climbs) I am rolling 12x27 ... in training I deal with the 11x28 but I an about to pull the 16 off a different cassette, dump the 11 and add the 16

On my road bike I don't seem to have as much a problem with that 15-17 swing

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Re: Why no 12-32 cassettes? [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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Just did the course on a sportive (6hrs avoiding traffic and a detour because of a crash) and live fairly local. I think the op is spot on with the gearing choice. 39-28 got me up Wiesmans bridge first time but second time if I had a marathon to run, then 39-32 would be really nice. Think you could burn a few matches on that climb especially because there's a another climb straight after it and then the run.
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