It's impossible to say for sure how much your going to save. Clothing is very different for each person and what may be fast on you won't be fast for me. You would have to go to the wind tunnel to really know for sure.

Maybe a few watts? At least you will have sun protection

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The Cuore Sleeved suit saved me 0.5s/km over my very fast Blueseventy ITU trisuit. Another sleeved suit was equal to the sleeveless b70.

If you can't test a suit, I'd recommend going with a Kiwami or Blueseventy ITU suit,

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?post=4575054#4575054


For me, the liftfoil tested substantially worse. Could have been a protocol bug, but I haven't worn it since.

appreciate the feedback, thanks! what did you end up going with?

I had some good success at swim/bike with my team's short sleeve skinsuit worn under a wetsuit. I don't run though, so probably not the recommended setup for a tri. But I do think the testing I did is probably representative of the difference between a good sleeved trisuit and the liftfoil. The key of course is finding a good one.

Whichever sleeved suit you use make sure you are comfortable with how you are going to use it for the swim.

I found mine when worn (either zipped or un-zipped) under a wetsuit to affect my swimming a fair bit, sadly not enough for me to notice without doing a back-to-back so I only found out after racing in it for a fair while.

Iain

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Agreed. I found out the hard way the Pearl Izumi Octane messed my swim up in a race

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I didn't actually notice until the end of the year, reviewing all my races I saw I'd had a bad swim in every event I'd used the aero suit. I tested it against a regular suit after and really wished I'd done it sooner!

Iain

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Thank you again for the feedback. I ended up making a switch to the zoot aero suit from the lift foil. Never loved the lift foil and based on your testing it seemed worth the potential upgrade in speed. I looked for both the lg m2 and octane for days online but couldn't find a medium in either to get to Canada for a reasonable rate. Figured zoot usually makes a nice product and they put aero in the title of the product. It must be faster :) thanks for helping me spend my money.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. The effect of a sleeved suit on the swim is my biggest concern. I think that making the fastest possible swim pack (and having a quick T1 in the case of non-wetsuit swims where the sleeves must be pulled up in transition) outweighs potential aero gains on the bike, at least in pro racing.

Also, it's far from a given that a sleeved suit will be faster on the bike. I've seen aero data showing both spectacularly good and bad results (even when the fit isn't obviously poor). At this point, I'm not convinced that a sleeved suit is worth the risk without proper track/tunnel testing or maybe very careful field testing.

I even question the validity of some test results. A sleeved suit that is carefully put on when dry can fit quite differently than a suit that is hurriedly pulled on in T1, or after 90-180km on the bike...

My final reservation is cooling - mixed reports on that.

I'll be sticking with my ITU trisuit (Kiwami Amphibian) for half distance racing. I'd take a harder look at sleeved suits if I raced IM.

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Not racing in the Spyder? Thoughts on it Cody.

The Spyder is $130-160 more expensive than the Amphibian 008. I'm sure it's awesome, but the Amphibian with custom printing was already pretty spendy for me (US$271 = CA$329).

Also, I wanted a suit without a pad or pockets. The Amphibian 008 is the lightest, simplest suit imaginable.

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Tks and congrats from another Canuk.

I didn't even consider pulling the sleeves up in T1 as the champ sys suit almost requires a helper to get in it dry. More than that the fit of the suit when wet was very different from when dry - and not in a good way. I think if you have freedom of choice on suits unless you can confirm whats fastest then a sleevless option that is fast in the water is safest. My reasoning being if it's hydrodynamic it's unlikley to be baggy in the wrong places when it's wet and hence not a bad option on the bike.

It's not a massive worry for me this year as almost all of my races can only be done in my federations chosen suit. Most of my worry is how to make that suit fast!

Iain

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Very nice, new GCN video on saving watts with a TT skinsuit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jANaYBMrifM

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