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Re: transgender triathlete [75000] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.bbc.com/...0/athletics/29510575 "Research by University of Oslo scientists has established that muscles can retain the advantages given by anabolic steroids decades after the point at which they were taken." But if people on a triathlon forum question whether or not muscles that have decades of high testosterone production might give them an advantage when they race as a woman they are automatically labeled as a bigot? Here's another quote: "I think it is likely that effects could be lifelong or at least lasting decades in humans. Our data indicates the exclusion time of two years is far too short. Even four years is too short." So are we not allowed to question whether or not the years of training as a man might not transfer without being labeled as a bigot? Help me understand how this makes one a bigot.

Tony
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Re: transgender triathlete [tonythetriguy] [ In reply to ]
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tonythetriguy wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/...0/athletics/29510575 "Research by University of Oslo scientists has established that muscles can retain the advantages given by anabolic steroids decades after the point at which they were taken." But if people on a triathlon forum question whether or not muscles that have decades of high testosterone production might give them an advantage when they race as a woman they are automatically labeled as a bigot? Here's another quote: "I think it is likely that effects could be lifelong or at least lasting decades in humans. Our data indicates the exclusion time of two years is far too short. Even four years is too short." So are we not allowed to question whether or not the years of training as a man might not transfer without being labeled as a bigot? Help me understand how this makes one a bigot.

Exactly, now maybe these results would not apply transgender people so that is a reasonable discussion. But to simply to dismiss these sorts of studies I think is wrong and it is especially wrong to call people bigots for simply bringing up legitimate questions.
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Re: transgender triathlete [75000] [ In reply to ]
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75000 wrote:
Wow lots of bigots on ST. This is sad.
Disagree with someones subjective viewpoint and your labeled a bigot? This reminds me of a political comic I read recently that said "Opposed to intolerance and anyone who disagrees with us."

tonythetriguy wrote:
So are we not allowed to question whether or not the years of training as a man might not transfer without being labeled as a bigot? Help me understand how this makes one a bigot.
No, not in today's society. Anything less than complete acceptance and endorsement means you're intolerant.
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Re: transgender triathlete [PBicycleStudio] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you.

I had typed a long reply trying to put my opinion into words, but I think your insight is all that matters, really.
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Re: transgender triathlete [ZackCapets] [ In reply to ]
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ZackCapets wrote:
The hormonal aspect has got to be the hardest part to legislate/ enforce. What's fair? Letting someone use T to reach low-normal, "average", high-normal, whatever their doctor says is " healthy" for them?


i actually just recently read some articles about a MTF who was a pretty good runner and tracked her progress during transition. she found that once she started hormones, (estrogen, killing off the testosterone) at the same fitness, the same body weight, the same everything, she lost 6 minutes (in the event she tracked). she continued tracking and keeping data. it was a fascinating read because I always ASSumed that simply having had been male you had HUGE benefit there but it is actually the opposite - once HRT begins you are now stuck with this massive (male by comparison) body and lack of muscles (as the lack of T decreases teh previous male muscle mass) to move it. So your body now becomes an albatross you no longer have the old ability to excel with. In his 40s she was a 40ish 10k'er and while the HRT moved fat around she kept the same weight and fitness. i was really surprised because I expected the opposite.

she still runs with herold pals but can no longer hold the paces she used to so either they have to slow down for her or they drop her. fascinating read. I think it was at Lets run but maybe not. Something about 6 minutes. let me see... Ah! http://www.runnersworld.com/...fference?page=single


From the article:

"The gender-to-performance linkage, in other words, is real. What happened to Janet should come as no surprise to anybody who understands what sex hormones do, Brown says; among their many other tasks inside the body, estrogen stimulates the storage of body fat, and testosterone stimulates both the building of muscle and the production of hemoglobin, which carries oxygen to the lungs and muscles, and so increases endurance. For any athlete who requires endurance, along with muscle strength and speed, being hormonally female appears to be a genuine biological handicap. "Even though she looks the same, and maybe weighs the same, the composition is not likely to be the same," Brown says. "You lose muscle, so you're losing power, and you're gaining fat, which you have to carry around. And you're carrying a male skeleton." Bigger than a female skeleton, that is, and heavier to haul up the trail—but with internal chemistry suddenly inadequate to the task. Says Georgia State University exercise physiologist David Martin, who also serves on the USATF task force: "The transgender athlete probably has a disadvantage, rather than an advantage."'

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Last edited by: kathy_caribe: Apr 21, 15 16:26
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Re: transgender triathlete [kathy_caribe] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the great link.

One problem, though. You used incorrect pronouns through most of your post. Janet Furman Bowman has been female since transitioning many years ago and the use of "he" was hopefully just an oversight on your part.
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Re: transgender triathlete [PBicycleStudio] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for your presence here and for your insight. I can't imagine you've had an easy go of things, and I hope situations like competitive sport become easier to navigate for you and others who are in similar shoes.

Eliot
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Re: transgender triathlete [rcmioga] [ In reply to ]
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rcmioga wrote:
Common sense can be overrated. common sense tells you we live in a deterministic world. You push something it moves. If an hour passes for me, an hour will pass for you. Of course, the universe isn't like that at all....

I don't have a viewpoint on this transgender stuff or testosterone....just saying common sense is frequently overvalued.....

you're right!! what was i thinking????? what was the wada thinking?!?! hormones don't work like that shit load me up full cycle bro epo, testosterone, cortisone, amphetamine, aromatase inhibitors, clenbuterol, hgh, adrenergic agonists, tsh... IT AIN'T GUN DO SHIT i mean i know every human has the same biology but i mean just because it worked for everyone else doesn't mean it'll work for me i'll be lookin like a pharmacy n still be gettin dropped 100% guaranteed no doubt
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Re: transgender triathlete [toreishi] [ In reply to ]
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toreishi wrote:
Thanks for the great link.

One problem, though. You used incorrect pronouns through most of your post. Janet Furman Bowman has been female since transitioning many years ago and the use of "he" was hopefully just an oversight on your part.

omg you're right! i'm off to edit.

http://harvestmoon6.blogspot.com
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