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Another Hour Record Attemp
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My cycling club-mate and friend Ed Veal, aka "The Real Deal", is going to have a go at the Canadian Hour record at the awesome new Mattamy Velodrome on Friday, April 10 starting at 4:45pm.

More info here - http://www.topdrawercreative.com/blog/?p=2598

I'm going to be working the microphone with Rolston Miller from the Toronto Sports & Social Club for this event.

Please spread the word, and come on out and cheer Ed on. It's not every day that you get to be part of history. #EdsHour

This would also be a great way to check out the new velodrome in Milton, Ontario ( just to the west of Toronto), if you have not been. It is an amazing world class facility, that's already been a real game-changer for cycling in Ontario/Canada!


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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Cool! I wish I could make it. Go Ed!

I'm shocked to see that the Canadian Hour Record is currently only 45.95 km. That should take well under 350W to beat with a decent setup. A few Canadian triathletes could probably crack that!

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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46km/h seems like pretty low hanging fruit. Assuming a CdA of .22, 300 watts will get you there.

Hopefully Sven or Curtis and like will take a run at it after Ed smashes the current record. It can only generate more interest for Canadian Cycling.
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Hour records always sound easy on paper...
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Hopefully Sven or Curtis and like will take a run at it after Ed smashes the current record. It can only generate more interest for Canadian Cycling.

I spoke to Ed yesterday, and he does hope that this does bring more recognition to cycling in Ontario/Canada as well as the velodrome it's self! It's world class in every way. GTA and Ontario people into cycling and triathlon should really get out and check it out.

I also heard some rumblings yesterday, of a Canadian triathlete who might want to have a go at this in the off-season next winter.

Right now Svein Tuft, would be the guy who really could crush this!


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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [nightfend] [ In reply to ]
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Hour records always sound easy on paper...

At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?
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2013 40K IronHaus TT - ~60 minute power predicted from my training data 285 watts - actual performance - 285 watts, 58.something minutes

2014 State TT Championship - predicted ~60 minute power from wife's training data - 250 watts - actual performance - 247 watts 56.something minutes. (she said she wimped out a little in the final ks because she was worried she was going to pass out)





Trev wrote:
nightfend wrote:
Hour records always sound easy on paper...

At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?



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she was worried she was going to pass out


Always a concern! :)


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jackmott wrote:
2013 40K IronHaus TT - ~60 minute power predicted from my training data 285 watts - actual performance - 285 watts, 58.something minutes

2014 State TT Championship - predicted ~60 minute power from wife's training data - 250 watts - actual performance - 247 watts 56.something minutes. (she said she wimped out a little in the final ks because she was worried she was going to pass out)





Trev wrote:
nightfend wrote:
Hour records always sound easy on paper...


At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?



I take it you or your wife do not use a power meter to pace?

You miss my point. I'm pointing out that not everyone's 60 min power is the same percentage of 20 minute power.

When you predict do you allow for a few extra watts on the day?
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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Trev] [ In reply to ]
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Trev wrote:
I take it you or your wife do not use a power meter to pace?

Of course we do.

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You miss my point. I'm pointing out that not everyone's 60 min power is the same percentage of 20 minute power.

That is pretty well known

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When you predict do you allow for a few extra watts on the day?

Pacing protocol allows for it. Don't go above goal watts until halfway.
Don't go under after halfway. Some people do similar but only stick to goal watts for the first few minutes then go by feel.



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Pacing protocol allows for it. Don't go above goal watts until halfway.
Don't go under after halfway.

2014 TX State TT - stiff headwind on the way out, so you didn't go over goal watts on the way out?
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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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I coached an athlete last year to the 55-59 Women's UCI World Hour record. So much prep went into the attempt. It is a ton of work for both the coach and the athlete, but an amazing and rewarding experience.
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ccassidy wrote:
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Pacing protocol allows for it. Don't go above goal watts until halfway.
Don't go under after halfway.

2014 TX State TT - stiff headwind on the way out, so you didn't go over goal watts on the way out?

The amount that you should go harder into a headwind is pretty small, like 2-5 watts. So generally I ignore it in favor of simplicity of plan. If you have an aggressive goal to start with that will kinda work out anyway



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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
Trev wrote:

I take it you or your wife do not use a power meter to pace?


Of course we do.

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You miss my point. I'm pointing out that not everyone's 60 min power is the same percentage of 20 minute power.


That is pretty well known

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When you predict do you allow for a few extra watts on the day?


Pacing protocol allows for it. Don't go above goal watts until halfway.
Don't go under after halfway. Some people do similar but only stick to goal watts for the first few minutes then go by feel.


With that conservative goal watts approach it isn't surprising the end result is within a few watts of the goal / predicted watts.

Far better the feel approach if you are truly trying to go faster than ever before - but more of a risk.

It should be remembered that you can't look at power during hour record attempts on the track although they do get pacing info from track side.

Do their support staff see the watts data in real time? Are they allowed to give verbal information about watts or only pace from track side?

Personally I think watts data in real time in time trials should be banned. Pacing is a skill - allowing power data in real time gives those who are unable to pace without a power meter unfair help.
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Trev wrote:
nightfend wrote:
Hour records always sound easy on paper...


At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?
Very closely for the hour record holding athletes I've coached.

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Good luck to Ed. And you enjoy yourself at the microphone, I wish I could be there. The question that comes to my mind is; when will your wife go after the women's record?

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Trev] [ In reply to ]
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Trev wrote:
jackmott wrote:
Trev wrote:

I take it you or your wife do not use a power meter to pace?


Of course we do.

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You miss my point. I'm pointing out that not everyone's 60 min power is the same percentage of 20 minute power.


That is pretty well known

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When you predict do you allow for a few extra watts on the day?


Pacing protocol allows for it. Don't go above goal watts until halfway.
Don't go under after halfway. Some people do similar but only stick to goal watts for the first few minutes then go by feel.


With that conservative goal watts approach it isn't surprising the end result is within a few watts of the goal / predicted watts.

Far better the feel approach if you are truly trying to go faster than ever before - but more of a risk.

It should be remembered that you can't look at power during hour record attempts on the track although they do get pacing info from track side.

Do their support staff see the watts data in real time? Are they allowed to give verbal information about watts or only pace from track side?

Personally I think watts data in real time in time trials should be banned. Pacing is a skill - allowing power data in real time gives those who are unable to pace without a power meter unfair help.
Anyone with experience of track knows that instantaneous power data on a 250m track is pretty useless as a pacing guide. Velocity and lap times are much more useful. Only the latter is permitted.

There is nothing to prevent wireless transmission of data to coach. It was done during Jens Voigt's record.

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
My cycling club-mate and friend Ed Veal, aka "The Real Deal", is going to have a go at the Canadian Hour record at the awesome new Mattamy Velodrome on Friday, April 10 starting at 4:45pm.

More info here - http://www.topdrawercreative.com/blog/?p=2598

I'm going to be working the microphone with Rolston Miller from the Toronto Sports & Social Club for this event.

Please spread the word, and come on out and cheer Ed on. It's not every day that you get to be part of history. #EdsHour

This would also be a great way to check out the new velodrome in Milton, Ontario ( just to the west of Toronto), if you have not been. It is an amazing world class facility, that's already been a real game-changer for cycling in Ontario/Canada!

All the best for the attempt. Not sure an athlete who's competed at international elite competition in the past year or is currently doing so is eligible for a masters category record. That's why, for instance, Jens Voigt doesn't hold the 40-44 masters record.

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [AlexS] [ In reply to ]
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AlexS wrote:
Trev wrote:
nightfend wrote:
Hour records always sound easy on paper...


At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?
Very closely for the hour record holding athletes I've coached.

Sorry I didn't word that well, I mean how close to 95% of 20 min power? Are hour specialists closer to 97% / 98% than 95% of 20 min power?
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Trev wrote:
AlexS wrote:
Trev wrote:
nightfend wrote:
Hour records always sound easy on paper...


At least people who attempt the hour record know their maximum average 60 minute power - assuming they don't give up before the 60 minutes is up.

I wonder how closely their average power over the 60 minutes correlates to their FTP as estimated from 20 minute tests or routine training rides?

Very closely for the hour record holding athletes I've coached.


Sorry I didn't word that well, I mean how close to 95% of 20 min power? Are hour specialists closer to 97% / 98% than 95% of 20 min power?
The cohort is too small to draw any conclusions.

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Re: Another Hour Record Attemp [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
2013 40K IronHaus TT - ~60 minute power predicted from my training data 285 watts - actual performance - 285 watts, 58.something minutes

2014 State TT Championship - predicted ~60 minute power from wife's training data - 250 watts - actual performance - 247 watts 56.something minutes. (she said she wimped out a little in the final ks because she was worried she was going to pass out)

2007 State TT Championship - predicted ~60 min power from my wife's training data - 265 W - actual performance - 269 W, 56:52. (I'm more proud of nailing the right fixed gear for her...she didn't believe she needed a 13 tooth cog, but it worked out perfectly, or at least as perfectly as using a fixed gear in a somewhat windy TT can.)
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The question that comes to my mind is; when will your wife go after the women's record?

Thanks for that. She needs to get her track certification first! :)


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Hope I can get off work early enough to catch it! Be great to see what Ed can do - that track is fast!!!! Even just the regular drop in sessions get 48+ km/h pace lines going pretty easy
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Trev wrote:
With that conservative goal watts approach it isn't surprising the end result is within a few watts of the goal / predicted watts.

How do you know how conservative my estimation of sustainable power is Trev? How many people have you put on professional podiums or state championships with your ideas?

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Personally I think watts data in real time in time trials should be banned. Pacing is a skill - allowing power data in real time gives those who are unable to pace without a power meter unfair help.

Then we just practice before hand with covered up power meters. No big deal. Just a slightly different game, isn't really going to change who wins. People who do the work will still do the best.



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Hope I can get off work early enough to catch it! Be great to see what Ed can do - that track is fast!!!! Even just the regular drop in sessions get 48+ km/h pace lines going pretty easy

The word back from folks that know far more about this than I do, is that this is a fast track! They are saying it is one of the faster, non altitude tracks in the world!


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