Re: IMFL drafting scenario [JimmyRiccitello] [ In reply to ]

Nov 8, 14 13:35

Post #301 of 317 (3689 views)

Personally, I would love to see folks passion and energy to go after the drug use in our sport before worrying about drafting. I do not think Kevin Moats was an exception, especially in the older AG's.

Has there been any talk of doing Out of Competition testing for top racers, like how they caught Kevin?

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Re: IMFL drafting scenario [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]

Nov 8, 14 19:01

Post #302 of 317 (3580 views)

I don't disagree that PEDs are an issue, but drafting is much lower-hanging fruit.

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [wbattaile] [ In reply to ]

Nov 9, 14 4:52

Post #303 of 317 (3462 views)

wbattaile wrote:

I don't disagree that PEDs are an issue, but drafting is much lower-hanging fruit.

Drafting will never be stopped. If it were "much lower-hanging fruit", there would be solutions.

ITU got it right, they just changed.

ITU may be having the same attitude in sprint AG racing.

In most races, there just is not that much of it. Put together a challenging course, spread out the swim wave starts, and just forget about it.

I still think the drug use gives a MUCH larger advantage than drafting. And since folks have to plan big time to do this, might be hard to deal
with also, but just because you cannot "see" it on race day is not reason to ignore it.

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Re: IMFL drafting scenario [craigj532] [ In reply to ]

Nov 9, 14 9:18

Post #304 of 317 (3361 views)

craigj532 wrote:

chaparral wrote:

JimmyRiccitello wrote:

Plenty of athletes at this year's IMFL have stated in this thread that drafting was not rampant. Unlike you, I was there, and saw zero rampant drafting. Zero large groups.

170 penalties (most for drafting) were called this year, trending down for the past five years.

Fast times at IMFL are possible without drafting.

Blatant drafting happens at small races, too. The scenario that prompted this thread could just have easily happened at the Timbuktoo Tri .

To address an earlier post of yours: I work for WTC and I care about enforcing drafting - even if I don't always succeed. I was hired by WTC to help minimize drafting. It is a fact that WTC cares about minimizing drafting. Our efforts in FL (and many other races) have gone unnoticed by you, because you've never been there. But efforts have been made, and athletes who attend have noticed.

I hope that you consider these facts when forming future opinions about IMFL and WTC.

Jimmy have you considered painting a set of lines over different parts of the course that are seperated by 7 meters as a reminder to athletes what that distance actually is. Similar to the reflectors that pros are told to use in Kona. Obviously they can not be over the entire course, but may just be a good way to calibrate everyone including the marshalls to what is legal.

Everywhere in the United States, the dashed lines on the roadways are ten meters apart. So are reflectors. Thus, the same thing that applies in Kona applies in Clearwater.

Which United States? These here Imperial United States? lol...I believe in the USA they are 40ft apart. Lines are 10' long, spacing 30'. Makes them 40' on center.

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Re: IMFL drafting scenario [irontri] [ In reply to ]

Nov 9, 14 10:25

Post #305 of 317 (3315 views)

You're right, I spaced on yards vs. meters. But the federal standards do actually say 3 meters for the lines and 9 meters for the gaps.

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [lanceman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 9, 14 10:39

Post #306 of 317 (3298 views)

How about just allowing racers to mount video cameras on their own bikes. Allow racers to submit a drafting challenge against a racer backed up by video evidence post race. Even without a challenge system I imagine it would act as a deterrent when the drafter is sitting there staring into the back of a gopro knowing they're on camera. Then you can create a lovely youtube video of shame for the blatant drafters.

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Nov 9, 14 22:55

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Re: IMFL drafting scenario [paulcburton] [ In reply to ]

Nov 10, 14 8:04

Post #308 of 317 (3005 views)

paulcburton wrote:

I could not disagree more. That was ITUs bogus excuse for turning triathlon into a boring team sport. Cheaters do not define the sport any more than politicians and money interests. Drafting was well controlled and officiating was making great advances until the TriFed officials program was deliberately destroyed. Go to USAT website and read the history.

Yes, I don't think they made it draft-legal because the pros were rampantly cheating.

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [Staz] [ In reply to ]

Nov 10, 14 8:53

Post #309 of 317 (2973 views)

No, but they did make it draft legal because enforcement is notoriously difficult and no one wanted an Olympic games controversy over drafting.

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [OkotoksLawyer] [ In reply to ]

Nov 10, 14 9:00

Post #310 of 317 (2969 views)

Ok, that was it then. I wasn't sure exactly but I thought it must have been something motivated by trying to get into the Olympics.

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [irontri] [ In reply to ]

Oct 8, 15 7:12

Post #311 of 317 (2451 views)

Too early to wish this guy well this weekend?

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [Spoon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 8, 15 7:54

Post #312 of 317 (2365 views)

Not too early at all.

I hope he finds a nice set of wheels this Saturday.

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Oct 8, 15 13:44

Post #313 of 317 (2159 views)

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [Spoon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 8, 15 14:23

Post #314 of 317 (2109 views)

Love resurrections like this.
I feel this is as close a chance I'm going to get to bring it up, about a month ago, someone resurrected a thread that was about 6 years old, where someone was asking for help finding a specific product, and out of the blue, someone commented, well did you ever find it. I was away from the forums a couple days after that and haven't been able to find it since, does anyone remember that and can link me to it?

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [irontri] [ In reply to ]

Oct 8, 15 15:11

Post #315 of 317 (2060 views)

you should've just pissed on him lmao

Re: IMFL drafting scenario [eggplantOG] [ In reply to ]

Oct 8, 15 15:50

Post #316 of 317 (2020 views)

eggplantOG wrote:

you should've just pissed on him lmao

Yeah, no doubt. I was in too much disbelief.

I hope he double flats (safely) on Sat.

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Re: IMFL drafting scenario [habbywall] [ In reply to ]

Oct 9, 15 11:37

Post #317 of 317 (1772 views)

habbywall wrote:

Love resurrections like this.
I feel this is as close a chance I'm going to get to bring it up, about a month ago, someone resurrected a thread that was about 6 years old, where someone was asking for help finding a specific product, and out of the blue, someone commented, well did you ever find it. I was away from the forums a couple days after that and haven't been able to find it since, does anyone remember that and can link me to it?

I think you are referring to this: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=5664310#5664310

It was 10 years to the day - he set an Outlook reminder. Pure awesomeness!

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