I like the saddle position here with it slipped back (although a bit high)....Much more natural pelvic positioning here perched off the front...The picture below (while not bad) has to closed of a hip angle in my opinion and you are sitting too far up on the saddle...

while it may feel a little more comfortable because you are contacting a greater surface area (again assumming proper saddle height) it is functionally a much more closed hip angle and going to create stress on lower back...Even though I say this your body has adapted to it fairly well and it doesn't look bad...I just don't think as functional/powerful under load...

I would go with something closer to this picture where you are perched off the front, but and yes I would bring the saddle down a touch....focus on being perched off the front, but drop your saddle down 10mm -12 mm and then see where you are at...if it feels low than gradually bring it back up 1/4 of a CM at a time...(2mm-3mm)

It will feel a little wierd at first getting used to contacting sit bones with a much smaller surface area, but give yourself a chance to adapt...When you are underload more of you weight gets transferred to your legs when in a good strong/powerful position.

If you are on the trainer start off with like 5 min intervals where you get off the bike and/or stand for a minute...Start with some shorter trainer rides for a couple of weeks...This will allow you body to adapt to the changes and not immediately want to jump back to what it knows when you start to fatigue...

In the latest picture of the black kit, that is the saddle raised down by 1.5cm-2cm from the picture of me in orange. Still in the black kit picture i feel friction around my gooch orange kit was at 84cm top of saddle to centre of BB,

Black kit picture 82cm

When I was comfy there it was at about 80cm with the saddle more forward, the picture that I was in from a front view in the earlier posts..

I guess if lower the saddle back to 80cm for saddle comfort I will close the angle with that current setback, if I put it more forward with the 80cm height, then I may have lose the leg extension power? This will then be the postion i was in before the Bike fit

I will upload a video of that current TT position tomorrow so you can have a better view of the hip angle..

Well.. Good news on the road bike.. back felt more relaxed but still some slight burning as the ride went on. My quads took quite a beating too, also corning is a bit iffy, and shoulders neck, got a bit tired/achy.. Do you think I should raise and put the saddle forward about half cm for both? Or maybe 1cm up half a cm forward?

Current tilt of saddle





road fit
http://www.dailymotion.com/...0150124-132438_sport

TT position of the black kit
http://www.dailymotion.com/...0150124-131838_sport

More good news.. about the road fit I highered the saddle 0.7 from the last pictures and moved forward 0.5cm, felt more powerfull.. I think I feel the affects of the tilted slightly up now.. slight irritating discomfort like very very slight chafing, and slight back pain.


http://www.dailymotion.com/...0150113-111206_sport

About the TT fit again, If i go back to this postion the fit I got from the shop how would I relieve some tension in the shoulders/arms and also the saddle discomfort as it feels like its squashing into my gooch? Prehaps keep the same saddle forward but move it down 2cm or so? And maybe level the adamo saddle?

Yo Big, I will post some updated pictures of the TT bike tomorrow, I haven't touched the TT bike since but I have been thinking go back to this fit..

http://www.dailymotion.com/...0150113-111206_sport

And lower the adjustable stem.. it will also increase the length perhaps putting less stress on arms/shoulders, might it may make no difference as its lower? This may also help with perching off the saddle more..

My winter road fit.. moving saddle forward and higher has helped with low back pain.. I have left the spacers in so I still have the same stack... I thought I'd go a little more forward 1cm, yesterday (I'm out 3-4cm forward from the positions I have posted earlier) today I noticed my right knee pain I looked back at some of your old posts that moving the saddle forward, higher, while keep the front end high leads to knee pain as it compresses you.. Just need to find that sweet-spot of rotating around the BB..

Looking back at the old pictures of my positions when I had that really excessive posterior tilt.. I am moving forward etc to compensate to find that power.. Thats where I probably need to be.. so I can put the power in that position without forcing myself to get into, the saddle was probably always the problem..

I will post pic off TT bike tomorrow with stem lower and more forward as its adjustable..

will get some pictures of winter bike once Ive got it from back service.. and lowered the front end..

http://www.dailymotion.com/...yvzc_20150211-152717

Latest TT fit.. from the adjustments.. Saddle very slightly more forward.. dropped 1.5cm spacers front end angled the stem up.. the aero bars and pads are also tilted upwards not sure if this is good when I get into a 10/25/50miler.. Perhaps I'm compensating as its decreased the reach slightly..?

I'm going to take a guess and say the stem needs to be slightly shorter as its clear under power I moved forward by looking at the arms that come to 90 degree?

Or might saddle is still quite high.. still kinda pushing into my stuff. hips slightly rocking? lowering makes you ride more slack by reading your old posts so that may actually make the reach increase (closing the hip angle) resulting in a shorter stem still (to open back up the hip angle) while keeping the flat position

This is what I now look like with the saddle about half a cm lower feel slightly more comfy in saddle, not poking as much but still noticeably.. feel more stable.. also I dont appear to be stretching out in the arms when putting the power out to get compact..

TT Fit
http://www.dailymotion.com/...0150213-141747_sport

Winter Road fit
http://www.dailymotion.com/...ad-fit-13-2-15_sport

60miles ride today on road bike.. felt bit more balanced.. quads were taking quite a beating though.. and my neck was getting tight/painful Thinking about pushing the saddle slightly back now.. my hip angle is pretty open still..

I like road position. When you push your hips back and tilted your pelvis down to get in drops that looked perfect. When your up on the hoods with arms locked relatively locked out and pelvis really vertical that is going to get quads for sure. Saddle back a little will help quads here but not sure if you will like it in drops as much. Kind of a balancing act depending on where you want to ride more often. If you are using your road bike for long rides and a lot of climbing I would go back and down a little.

Tbh.. Big I think I pull up to much on the pedal stroke.. Lots of arcticles suggest that leads to low back pain... Makes me think if my good position I had I was just pushing down, which the glute max does... although I had the choppy feeling of climbing and hamstrings overworked, could be because the saddle was slightly to high,, so perhaps I need to come alot more forward.. and lower front end which I cannot not do on the winter bike, I can turn my seat-post round if I need to go more forward

Guess overusing hip flexors means turned off glutes same as the sitting tight hips = no glutes, although im flexible in the hips
thoughts on this?

do some bird dogs or similar to strengthen your lower back.

http://puu.sh/guVRa/6a019119b3.JPG

Thats what I raced with.. I was creeping forward underload not sure if i was also creeping forward for comfort and stability, was also moving back in saddle either to find them things not sure what way but the adamo was cutting into me slightly and back pain occurred

After this I moved saddle 1cm forward haven't tested yet

I was 7 seconds off 1st place

Latest TT fit..

http://www.dailymotion.com/...03-2015-tt-fit_sport

I feel like im nearly unweighting my upperbody as I pedal now

It does feel like Im slightly to far into the back of the saddle, so I may move it slightly back, it may allow me to perch more on the prongs?

As I;ve lowered the saddle too, I feel more fluid up hills, not getting that slight stompy feeling.

Also I may move the cleats further back as Ive heard some good stuff about it from Steve hoggs, and Joe Friel


What do you think?