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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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To the argument about "best" vs. "hardest". I would still at Mauna Kea in the "best" group. It's just freaking epic to ride from the ocean to almost 14,000' in one fell swoop. Not to mention the moon like scenery. With the right bike the gravel is very rideable. I did it on a 34x32 with 25mm tires (WRONG tires), but that gear with something like smooth 30-35mm tires would be just fine I think. I'd love to get dropped off in Hilo, ride to the top and then down to Kona. It would be epic.


Digging up this very old thread with two questions ā€¦

1. Why does Mauna Kea seem to be so much more popular than Mauna Loa? Mauna Loa seems significantly more accessible, no walking, or weird equipment choices needed. Itā€™s just the altitude and epic-ness of MK that are appealing?

2. You think smooth tires are ideal for the type of gravel on MK?

ETA: So Iā€™m contributing something to this thread Iā€™ll say the ā€˜bestā€™ climb that Iā€™ve done is Mt Lemmon and the hardest by a very long shot was Lincoln Gap in VT. My favorite that I do regularly is the Kanc in Lincoln, NH.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Iā€™ve ridden Mauna Kea but not Mauna Loa, and would like to. People that I know have done it say itā€™s a great climb all around. Think you probably nailed the reasoning as to why MK gets more attentionā€”itā€™s really hard and has multiple personalities.

Personally, Lemon isnā€™t on my top 10 list. Itā€™s ok, really just long and not difficult (in either direction). Iā€™ve also ridden Lincoln Gapā€”thatā€™s a kick in the Jimmy. Thereā€™s a lot of really good stuff in the Eastern Sierra that doesnā€™t get attention. Like climbing to Bristlecone from Bishop, which I think is 22 miles and 6k of gain.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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ericlambi wrote:
nslckevin wrote:


To the argument about "best" vs. "hardest". I would still at Mauna Kea in the "best" group. It's just freaking epic to ride from the ocean to almost 14,000' in one fell swoop. Not to mention the moon like scenery. With the right bike the gravel is very rideable. I did it on a 34x32 with 25mm tires (WRONG tires), but that gear with something like smooth 30-35mm tires would be just fine I think. I'd love to get dropped off in Hilo, ride to the top and then down to Kona. It would be epic.


Digging up this very old thread with two questions ā€¦

1. Why does Mauna Kea seem to be so much more popular than Mauna Loa? Mauna Loa seems significantly more accessible, no walking, or weird equipment choices needed. Itā€™s just the altitude and epic-ness of MK that are appealing?

2. You think smooth tires are ideal for the type of gravel on MK?

ETA: So Iā€™m contributing something to this thread Iā€™ll say the ā€˜bestā€™ climb that Iā€™ve done is Mt Lemmon and the hardest by a very long shot was Lincoln Gap in VT. My favorite that I do regularly is the Kanc in Lincoln, NH.

Iā€™ve done Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa and Haleakala. I think itā€™s mostly about the ā€œepicnessā€ of it. Sea level to almost 14kā€™. Reportedly the toughest climb in the world vs. 11kā€™ and not particularly hard other than length of time for Mauna Loa.

To your second question the issue on the gravel isnā€™t traction, it is sinking at low speed on a steep road and losing momentum. It was always the front wheel sinking in at 6 mph and then youā€™re dead in the water. A wide enough tire to avoid sinking would solve the issue. You are also weighing the trade off of what is good for the 40 or so miles of pavement vs the few miles of gravel. I think a wide smooth tire would fit that bill.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Personally, Lemon isnā€™t on my top 10 list. Itā€™s ok, really just long and not difficult (in either direction).

Ha, this is why I like Lemmon. That, and the views and opportunity to eat giant cookies at the top.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Love the Kanc in NH. In June, stayed in North Conway and did a 100 mile loop going up the Kanc (to Lincoln) and making my way around toward the Omni Hotel and back to North Conway. The White Mountains are great
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [rmessmer] [ In reply to ]
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Most memorable climb for me in the USA is probably MT Greylock in Massachusetts. Did a 90 km loop starting from Windsor Lake park just outside of North Adams which included Greylock. Not sure the numbers, but it was hard going up, fast going down, and scenic for much of the ride.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [rmessmer] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [Staz] [ In reply to ]
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Staz wrote:
First here is Mount Washington for reference - 12 km 11.9 % http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=7704

Viderjoch - Switzerland - 11.3 km 11.88% http://www.quaeldich.de/paesse/viderjoch-pass/
Zillertaler Hļæ½henstraļæ½e - Austria - Many variations all between 10-12 km and around 12% http://www.quaeldich.de/...taler-hoehenstrasse/
Monte Zoncolan - Italy - 10.2 km 12% http://www.quaeldich.de/paesse/monte-zoncolan/
Berbenno-Caldenno - Italy - 15 km 13.4% http://climbbybike.com/...;qryMountainID=14638
Monte Baldo - Italy 11.79 km 11.5% http://climbbybike.com/...;qryMountainID=12283
Aschau - Austria - 12.61 km 12.4% http://climbbybike.com/...;qryMountainID=12034
Hafelekar - Austria - 11.35 km 12.1% http://climbbybike.com/...;qryMountainID=11890
Grosser Oscheniksee - Austria - 12.2 km 11.7% http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=1373

Others that are shorter but steeper:


Nebelhorn - Germany - 8.8 km 14.2% http://www.quaeldich.de/paesse/nebelhorn/
Scanuppia - Italy - 7.5 km 17.6% http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=3597
San Genesio - Italy - 6.9 km 15.3% http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=3498
Kitzbļæ½heler Horn - Austria - 9.7 km 12.9% http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=1318

Some which are longer and slightly less steep:

Grammont - Switzerland - 15.3 km 10.5% http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=9572
Pico Arieiro - Portugal - 17.06 km 10.2% http://climbbybike.com/...;qryMountainID=15751
Koralpen - Austria - 15.4 km 10.8 % http://climbbybike.com/...p;qryMountainID=1321

Tons of others in the last two categories as well. And don't forget the Stelvio, Angliru and Etna.

Sorry I only got 8 roughly fitting the characteristics of the Mount Washington climb, but I think all of them at least as hard if not harder just going on the numbers.


A little further south in the Americaā€™s we have Alto de Letras! Rounded stats are around 82km and 3,800 meters of altitude gains. If you have a gravel bike, you might even be able to keep going to the top of the volcano.

In the US: Pikeā€™s Peak (CO), Mt. Evans - the road above the tree line sucks though (CO), Lemmon (AZ), Kitt Peak (AZ), Mt. Baldy (CA), McKenzie Hwy (OR), pretty much any long climb close to summit county in Colorado, Mt. Mitchell (NC), Mission Ridge (WA), Mollogon (NM), up to Pinos Altos in either direction (NM)
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [Tri Bread] [ In reply to ]
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Tri Bread wrote:
Most memorable climb for me in the USA is probably MT Greylock in Massachusetts. Did a 90 km loop starting from Windsor Lake park just outside of North Adams which included Greylock. Not sure the numbers, but it was hard going up, fast going down, and scenic for much of the ride.

Greylock is a nice climb. Not in the upper tier of "best in the US", if you ask me, but really really good. Solid.

I haven't ridden it, but I have drove up in a car, whiteface should be mentioned here. Someone prob mentioned it in all the earlier pages of the thread but since we're on the topic of east coast climbs.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Tri Bread wrote:
Most memorable climb for me in the USA is probably MT Greylock in Massachusetts. Did a 90 km loop starting from Windsor Lake park just outside of North Adams which included Greylock. Not sure the numbers, but it was hard going up, fast going down, and scenic for much of the ride.


Greylock is a nice climb. Not in the upper tier of "best in the US", if you ask me, but really really good. Solid.

I haven't ridden it, but I have drove up in a car, whiteface should be mentioned here. Someone prob mentioned it in all the earlier pages of the thread but since we're on the topic of east coast climbs.

I have riding from Boston to Greylock and doing the race up Whiteface on my agenda for 2022.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Gibraltar Road and Whiteface rank right up there. Lincoln Gap from the Warren, VT side is the hardest that I've done.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Tri Bread wrote:
Most memorable climb for me in the USA is probably MT Greylock in Massachusetts. Did a 90 km loop starting from Windsor Lake park just outside of North Adams which included Greylock. Not sure the numbers, but it was hard going up, fast going down, and scenic for much of the ride.


Greylock is a nice climb. Not in the upper tier of "best in the US", if you ask me, but really really good. Solid.

I haven't ridden it, but I have drove up in a car, whiteface should be mentioned here. Someone prob mentioned it in all the earlier pages of the thread but since we're on the topic of east coast climbs.

I have riding from Boston to Greylock and doing the race up Whiteface on my agenda for 2022.

Boston to Greylock would be a nice trip

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Valid point about the cookie, few climbs are so rewarding.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [rmessmer] [ In reply to ]
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Mauna Kea arguably hardest taking everything into account.
13000 elevation gain
60 ish miles
85 degrees sea level to 35 degrees summit
Steep and unpaved top few km
Epic
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [jla] [ In reply to ]
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One thing that make Maura Kea hard is the steep pitches. There arenā€™t many parts of the planet where is rarely snows at that altitude. You just donā€™t find a sustained 20 percent pitch at 10,000 feet above sea level anywhere away from the equator because it isnā€™t possible to stay on the road with even a little snow. For example, in Colorado I donā€™t think you have ever ridden anything steeper than about 12 percent
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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You just donā€™t find a sustained 20 percent pitch at 10,000 feet above sea level anywhere away from the equator because it isnā€™t possible to stay on the road with even a little snow.


Exactly. I made decent time to and through the gravel section, including making it through without putting a foot down, but it was the 15-20% paved sections from 12,000 ft to almost 14,000 ft. that had me walking my bike towards the top. Body practically shut down due to lack of oxygen. 20% at 13,000 ft. is a LOT different than 20% at 6,000 ft. The comment re: Mauna Kea being medically inadvisable is spot-on.

It's inhumane really. My ride title for that day was simply "Mauna Kea, You Broke Me" as I was suitably humbled by that magnificent volcano.

Thank you, Mauna Kea.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [Ohio_Roadie] [ In reply to ]
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Ohio_Roadie wrote:
In the US: Pikeā€™s Peak (CO), Mt. Evans - the road above the tree line sucks though (CO), Lemmon (AZ), Kitt Peak (AZ), Mt. Baldy (CA), McKenzie Hwy (OR), pretty much any long climb close to summit county in Colorado, Mt. Mitchell (NC), Mission Ridge (WA), Mollogon (NM), up to Pinos Altos in either direction (NM)

I love that our little home mountain is even mentioned in the company of these other climbs. But, though the stats are nice, the climb to mission ridge isnā€™t even in my top 3 climbs in the state of Washington. The top third feels properly mountainous but the finish is just at the ski area. Compare this to the epic feeling of Artist Point, Hurricane Ridge, Paradise. None of those have quite the stats but are big and challenging and more fun. Iā€™d enter those in a contest for 10 best climbs in US.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [rmessmer] [ In reply to ]
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What's the criteria?
Just long and steep meh!

How about mixing in some scenery as well?

So here in So Cal let's go Latigo Canyon 10 miles 2200 ft of gain and awesome views of the pacific.

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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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Tri Bread wrote:


I haven't ridden it, but I have drove up in a car, whiteface should be mentioned here. Someone prob mentioned it in all the earlier pages of the thread but since we're on the topic of east coast climbs.

Whiteface is the only climb Iā€™ve done on any list like this, so Iā€™m not qualified to say where it ranks, but the top half of it is beautiful, and feels like youā€™re climbing somewhere that belongs on a grand tour. It certainly wouldnā€™t call it ā€œeasy,ā€ but despite averaging something like 8.5%, itā€™s pretty much just that for 7.5 miles. No severe pitches.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [rmessmer] [ In reply to ]
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My favorite on the East Coast isn't insanely difficult, but does have a couple switchbacks between 15-20%. The views are great, but traffic can also be an issue.

Either Gatlinburg or Cherokee to the top of Clingmans Dome. Starting at Gatlinburg does give you about 2k more feet of climbing. But the ride only tops out at about 6600'.
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Re: Best CLIMBS in the USA? (Rank Up) [Ironfan] [ In reply to ]
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My favorite on the East Coast isn't insanely difficult, but does have a couple switchbacks between 15-20%. The views are great, but traffic can also be an issue.

Either Gatlinburg or Cherokee to the top of Clingmans Dome. Starting at Gatlinburg does give you about 2k more feet of climbing. But the ride only tops out at about 6600'.

I really wanted to do this climb when I was vacationing in the Smokies this year, but was dissuaded by some locals that said traffic would be too bad. Will have to make a trip back. That reminds me though that I did do a ride along the Foothills Parkway to Tail of the Dragon. Tail of the Dragon is not difficult at all, but definitely fun with the constant switchbacks, so could be an honorable mention on 'best of'.

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