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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [endurathonrd] [ In reply to ]
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endurathonrd wrote:
At almost no flow (6000ish cfs) athletes seem to be getting 12 to 20 minutes back on the swim. I wonder what would happen if it was at 23000ish?

I don't know what a "cfs" is, but I hope we get 23,000 of them!

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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [Runner Rick] [ In reply to ]
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endurathonrd wrote:
At almost no flow (6000ish cfs) athletes seem to be getting 12 to 20 minutes back on the swim. I wonder what would happen if it was at 23000ish?


I don't know what a "cfs" is, but I hope we get 23,000 of them!

cubic feet per second would be my guess
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endurathonrd wrote:
At almost no flow (6000ish cfs) athletes seem to be getting 12 to 20 minutes back on the swim. I wonder what would happen if it was at 23000ish?


I don't know what a "cfs" is, but I hope we get 23,000 of them!


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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [bwain] [ In reply to ]
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Ditto, it's true, zero current
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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [winchester] [ In reply to ]
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winchester wrote:
Ditto, it's true, zero current

Think about what that would require.
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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [Runner Rick] [ In reply to ]
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Michael wins...cubic feet per second...it's one of the ways flow/current is measured. In this case, it's the measurement of the release at the dam. (Paddlers also use CFS from gauges to determine the levels of a river for kayaking.)

Let me promise you that you don't really want 23k. There'd be so much crap in the river washing down at that speed it would be dangerous. I can't even imagine how many people would have to be plucked from the river downstream having missed the swim exit.

Even at 6k, which as RD said is next to no flow (that's tangible), there's still enough movement to scoot down the river at a reasonable pace. If I can manage 4.5mi in 1:20 at around 6kCFS....everyone should have PLENTY of time to get down the river.

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AWARE wrote:
Michael wins...cubic feet per second...it's one of the ways flow/current is measured. In this case, it's the measurement of the release at the dam. (Paddlers also use CFS from gauges to determine the levels of a river for kayaking.)

Let me promise you that you don't really want 23k. There'd be so much crap in the river washing down at that speed it would be dangerous. I can't even imagine how many people would have to be plucked from the river downstream having missed the swim exit.

Even at 6k, which as RD said is next to no flow (that's tangible), there's still enough movement to scoot down the river at a reasonable pace. If I can manage 4.5mi in 1:20 at around 6kCFS....everyone should have PLENTY of time to get down the river.

Could you feel the current??? I've done a couple of with-the-current races, including one where I went 20:00 for 2000 m, but I did not really notice any current, but rather just knew when I saw the clock that i must have had "some help":)


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Re: IM CHOO Email summary [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Not really. I've never really been able to "feel" the current push when I'm swimming with it...only maybe note a bit that I appear to be swimming fast in looking at the shoreline & "feel" fast in the water. My basis for that is the 2013 Rat Race where there was massive current (& debris).

I can say that if it disappears in the middle (like the 2013 Swim the Suck) you can feel a difference, but that's only if it changes while you're swimming - so in our case the flow dropped dramatically....it was like stepping off of an escalator or moving sidewalk...of course it took a little bit to realize, but you just felt a little more sluggish out of nowhere. Definitely a wild feeling.

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bwain wrote:
endurathonrd wrote:

I talk to the TVA on a regular basis, let's see what the weather does before we make that final call. Should be a good ride... At almost no flow (6000ish cfs) athletes seem to be getting 12 to 20 minutes back on the swim. I wonder what would happen if it was at 23000ish?


But I read on Slowtwitch that a dude's buddy in a kayak was floating in the same spot in the river because there is zero current in the river....... It was on Slowtwitch so I know it has to be true.

Please excuse me while I prepare my rain dance routine for the 26th and 27th.....


Its true, I read it also. The kayak didn't move!
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Not really. I've never really been able to "feel" the current push when I'm swimming with it...only maybe note a bit that I appear to be swimming fast in looking at the shoreline & "feel" fast in the water. My basis for that is the 2013 Rat Race where there was massive current (& debris).

I can say that if it disappears in the middle (like the 2013 Swim the Suck) you can feel a difference, but that's only if it changes while you're swimming - so in our case the flow dropped dramatically....it was like stepping off of an escalator or moving sidewalk...of course it took a little bit to realize, but you just felt a little more sluggish out of nowhere. Definitely a wild feeling.

Hmmm, I haven't ever had the experience of the flow changing right in the middle of a swim or race, but I can see how that might be more noticeable. I think the whole with/against the current thing pretty analogous to riding an out-and-back course where you have tailwind starting out but you don't realize it, you just think you're feeling good and riding fast, then you get to the turnaround and boom, you see that, actually, you don't feel that good at all:)


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