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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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The Esprit Triathlon was held on the island in the St Lawrence river inMontreal. It's at the race track that is beside the '76 Olympic rowing venue, and their major casino is right next door. It's a hub of tourist destinations. I vividly remember seeing a row of flag poles with flags from all sorts of nations. All very PC, welcoming etc.

However, when I was riding 41 laps of the race car circuit to get my 180km ride done, my wife went into the large cafeteria hall place to get some food for breakfast. There were people from all over North America and Europe too. Even some Aussies that year. Being Quebec, everything was written in French only (english and other languages is banned in Quebec,even tho Canada is legally bilingual). My wife (a good South Island Kiwi girl) speaks no French and reads even less. The only thing she recognized was Hot Dog. Not really suitable as a breakfast. After trying to make herself understood for quite some time, finally an Aussie dishwasher came out from the back, on his own volition, to see if he could help. He explained to my wife that they all understood and spoke English, but being Quebecer's were being dickheads about it. He kindly offered to get food for my family.

That was how the entire trip to that race went. We got out of Quebec as quickly as possible.

The French lost the war on the Plains of Abraham in Quebec many years ago. Foolishly, the English decided to save the cost of shipping the small French population back to France and it's cost Canada squillions ever since. Worst mistake the English in Canada ever made.

My brother ended up marrying a French girl (France, not Quebec) and even she thought the Quebecers were arrogant FK's and that's saying something!

I remember when the Francophone separatists lost the last referendum about 20 years ago. They lost 49% to 51%. Their alcoholic premier was asked why they lost the vote and he replied (in French obviously) that is was "the ethnic vote". Asked to explain, he slurred "the Blacks and the Jews". I won't give you a Quebec history lesson, but there are large populations of freed slaves and also Jews living in Montreal. According to the premier, it was their vote that cost them the victory. In the morning, he woke up with a roaring hangover and read in the paper what he'd said, and wisely resigned that day. It's clear that his comments were just the comments of the 49%.

What a sad, miserable, backward place Quebec is. Quebec City has some nice old buildings and the scenery is pretty nice (but so is neighbouring Northern Ontario, Vermont, New Hampshire etc)

Even more than ever, English is the world language. Like it or not, it's a fact, and to ignore it or fight against it, is just hiding in the basement so to speak. I pity the Quebecois.......

TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]
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Zenmaster28 wrote:
tridork wrote:
Stay somewhere where they are fluent English speakers! If you don't get that right, the rest will turn to shit.

I did Esprit Triathlon (IM) a bunch of years ago. English speakers were as rare as hens teeth. My race went badly (ITB syndrome on the run) but the whole experience with those ^%$* francophones made the whole trip a disaster! My wife has sworn to never ever set foot in Quebec ever again, and I don't blame her. They make the actual French people seem like a sharing caring bunch of people.

When I die and go to hell, it will be full of French Canadians and I'll be stuck with them for all eternity. The only good thing about Quebecers is that they make the best strippers.

But I digress. Enjoy your race. At least it's really picturesque.


Boston Bruins fan?

Even worse......a Leafs fan. LOL

TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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I'm sorry, but it's a question of mindset. You go to a country (or region, whatever) that speaks another language, you try to adapt as much as possible. If I go to Italy, or Spain, or Germany, I don't expect the menu to be written in French or English (I actually try to avoid the places that have a menu in different languages, I prefer the authentic local restaurant/feed to the tourist trap). If I don't understand anything on the menu, then I'll try to ask questions or pick something that seems like it could be great. Sometimes it's a huge failure (worst case scenario a good opportunity for a good laungh with friends or family) but most of the time a very pleasant discovery of something new. How about that for a concept? And yes, Hot Dog is the last thing on that menu I would have gone for.

I understand you growing up and living where you do you may have a different perspective, and that's why I think it's important that you have the other side of the coin too. I grew up in a country with 4 official languages, where you drive 30 minutes and the menus are in a different language, another hour of driving and yet a different language. So I guess you adapt and don't take certain things for granted.

As for English being the world language, of course it makes sense for you and I can't blame you for pushing this option :-). Hell part of me would love this (much easier to travel to Japan or China for example), but another part of me would think it's very sad. We live in a multi-cultural world and the place is a better place for it. In spite of the globalization/standardisation efforts coming mainly from the US (and now European Union, but that may well be the US behind that too). By experience, I've witnessed that a lot of Americans (or Australians or Kiwi) take English for granted (everybody is supposed to know English, if they don't shame on them) and it's too bad.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with your general mindset.

HOWEVER, in Canada where English Canada bends over backwards to accommodate the minority French population, with bilingual on all foods etc, yet inside Quebec, they BAN any English signs or whatever, my attitude changes.

I've travelled through Southeast Asia over the past few years and have used what little rudimentary Thai and Vietnamese etc, that I've been able to use. In Vietnam I freely admitted my lack of language skills and hired a guide while I was there. That helped make my time in Vietnam some of the most emjoyable time anywhere. Mexico was the same. Generally that's been well received. Most often they are more than happy to practice their English. It's a two way street and with hand gestures and much laughing, it seems to work. In Quebec however it's a different story. Those miserable pricks are just difficult arrogant mongrels.

After 26 years of living in Canada and spending quite a bit of time in Quebec on ski trips, tris, passing through etc, I have found the Quebecers to be dicks, almost without exception. Hell, they even make me look caring and sharing!

I've had friends travel to lots of countries around the world. For better or worse, English is the world language. If it's not the first language in a particular place, it's almost always the second language (not necessarily officially). How many times to you see something on a news feed with someone in some remote location. They have only had contact with the outside world for a little while, yet they often speak English to some degree. It's not like people from PNG, Burma, India, Russia, Germany or any other place learn Japanese as a second language. They learn English. It's a fact that English is rapidly becoming the world language. It's not me as some sort of asshole that has an agenda to push, that is trying to dictate it, it's just what it is. The Quebecers just don't seem to be able to see the writing on the wall. The vietnamese see it and take it on board. Why not the Quebecers? Because of their arrogance, that's why.

Back to my original point. If you're travelling to Quebec, and you're not francophone, then look for an English speaking place to stay. It's just easier and will make your stay so much better.

Rant over :-)

TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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TriDork,

Respectfully, I think in Slowtwitch, you are invited to share your opinions on the sport, training, and in this case lodging.

Posting, re-wording, and posting again, rants against an entire culture based on your anecdotal experiences are unnecessary, offensive, and not in accordance with the anecdotal experiences of many other anglophone Canadians, including me, who have visited Quebec. As for disparaging the 49% with the racist words of Parizeau, should I, by extension, (since you are a fan of the Leafs I will go out on a limb here) hold you personally accountable for the idiocy that is Mayor Rob Ford? If you are not from Toronto, <insert random politician from your region with whom you don't agree here.>

Like many others, I have found that a basic effort to use some French, a few smiles, and sincere respect go a long way towards great hospitality in Quebec, my adopted home here in Asia, and any other place I've been in the world. I suggest that your experiences are shaped by your own attitudes. It should not be necessary to remind you, but how one is treated is a huge reflection of how that individual treats others. Equally true, I have often been on the short-end of locals attitudes towards tourists too. When it happens, smile, be polite, and take the high road. Perhaps the next time that person encounters a tourist they will be more disposed to offering a friendlier face. If not, I hope they enjoy a life lived behind a sullen wall of negativity.

I will be at the WC this September too. I can't remember the name of the hotel I'm staying at, but it will be bad or good I'm sure! I'm there to race, to enjoy the sport, and to enjoy the amazing atmosphere that makes Mt. Tremblant such a special place. I hope everyone reading this finds what he or she is looking for on the course that weekend!

TriDork, I'm not asking you to like Quebec! And helpful insight about which hotel has a good location and staff are certainly pertinent. As for your assumption that English is a world language, fine, let's take that to mean that everyone in a culture that does not speak that world language is required to learn it for the convenience of tourists who are supposed to be traveling to learn more about other people, cultures, business opportunities, triathlons, etc!

But let's take your point prima fascia I hope you are hard at work at mastering Mandarin Chinese. Zai jian!
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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Darren325 wrote:
TriDork,

Respectfully, I think in Slowtwitch, you are invited to share your opinions on the sport, training, and in this case lodging.

Posting, re-wording, and posting again, rants against an entire culture based on your anecdotal experiences are unnecessary, offensive, and not in accordance with the anecdotal experiences of many other anglophone Canadians, including me, who have visited Quebec. As for disparaging the 49% with the racist words of Parizeau, should I, by extension, (since you are a fan of the Leafs I will go out on a limb here) hold you personally accountable for the idiocy that is Mayor Rob Ford? If you are not from Toronto, <insert random politician from your region with whom you don't agree here.>

Thanks Darren.

Tridorks comments show about as much class as Parizeau. At least Parizeau had the excuse of being drunk :-)

I will also be racing Tremblant worlds. Maybe we need to do a ST get together.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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Don't listen to TriDi#k-head. I have stayed at Mont Tremblant for Ironman races and ski vacations. The people there are as nice as anyone you'd meet. The volunteers and staff go out of their way to make your stay and race experience very positive. Stay in the Village. So convenient as for as race logistics go. I stayed at the Mariott. Free breakfasts that are actually pretty decent and 1min walk to transition.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [OhCanada] [ In reply to ]
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Back to the topic at hand...

Has anyone stayed at Hotel du Lac? I'm an idiot and didn't book a condo closer to the village quick enough and I'm staying here now. Looks like its about 1.5 mile walk to transition. From what I've heard it will be impossible to drive there and find parking. Is this true? Some people in my party will probably not want to walk that. Is the walk not really that bad?

On another note...has anybody pulled out of the race and have a condo available near transition? I would need to accommodate 4 people. I'm hoping I can find something closer through this route before the race!
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [teichs42] [ In reply to ]
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teichs42 wrote:
Back to the topic at hand...

Has anyone stayed at Hotel du Lac? I'm an idiot and didn't book a condo closer to the village quick enough and I'm staying here now. Looks like its about 1.5 mile walk to transition. From what I've heard it will be impossible to drive there and find parking. Is this true? Some people in my party will probably not want to walk that. Is the walk not really that bad?

On another note...has anybody pulled out of the race and have a condo available near transition? I would need to accommodate 4 people. I'm hoping I can find something closer through this route before the race!

I have a room at the Fairmont that I won't be using because I also booked a condo. I haven't got around to cancelling it yet, but would be happy to let you know when I'm going to call, if you're interested.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [erincs] [ In reply to ]
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what kind of rate is the room? how many does it sleep? kitchen?
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [teichs42] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't booked a thing for June 22...I better get on it...
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [Darren325] [ In reply to ]
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Darren325 wrote:
TriDork,

Respectfully, I think in Slowtwitch, you are invited to share your opinions on the sport, training, and in this case lodging.

Posting, re-wording, and posting again, rants against an entire culture based on your anecdotal experiences are unnecessary, offensive, and not in accordance with the anecdotal experiences of many other anglophone Canadians, including me, who have visited Quebec. As for disparaging the 49% with the racist words of Parizeau, should I, by extension, (since you are a fan of the Leafs I will go out on a limb here) hold you personally accountable for the idiocy that is Mayor Rob Ford? If you are not from Toronto, <insert random politician from your region with whom you don't agree here.>

Like many others, I have found that a basic effort to use some French, a few smiles, and sincere respect go a long way towards great hospitality in Quebec, my adopted home here in Asia, and any other place I've been in the world. I suggest that your experiences are shaped by your own attitudes. It should not be necessary to remind you, but how one is treated is a huge reflection of how that individual treats others. Equally true, I have often been on the short-end of locals attitudes towards tourists too. When it happens, smile, be polite, and take the high road. Perhaps the next time that person encounters a tourist they will be more disposed to offering a friendlier face. If not, I hope they enjoy a life lived behind a sullen wall of negativity.

I will be at the WC this September too. I can't remember the name of the hotel I'm staying at, but it will be bad or good I'm sure! I'm there to race, to enjoy the sport, and to enjoy the amazing atmosphere that makes Mt. Tremblant such a special place. I hope everyone reading this finds what he or she is looking for on the course that weekend!

TriDork, I'm not asking you to like Quebec! And helpful insight about which hotel has a good location and staff are certainly pertinent. As for your assumption that English is a world language, fine, let's take that to mean that everyone in a culture that does not speak that world language is required to learn it for the convenience of tourists who are supposed to be traveling to learn more about other people, cultures, business opportunities, triathlons, etc!

But let's take your point prima fascia I hope you are hard at work at mastering Mandarin Chinese. Zai jian!


Darren,

I entirely take your points. They are completely valid for all sorts of places I've travelled around the world. The reason I'm so angry and bitter about the Quebecers is that it's the only place I've ever been where your comments above don't hold true.

I can only comment based on my experiences. If I'd only been to Quebec once, or even a few times, then I could pass it off as a statistical blip. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case. I've travelled to Quebec many times, summer and winter, alone or with my family. Every single time has been a disappointment. I could have had a bad run of luck getting the 2 dozen or so bad Quebec experiences ever, but Idoubt it.

Rather than continue a rant, I will respectfully bow out. I am glad your experiences in Quebec have been better than mine. I will chose to spend more time in Vietnam from now on. The Vietnamese people are fantastic!
Regards

p.s. Rob For is fantastic. He's a complete muppet for sure, but at least he's taken the heat off Len Brown, the Auckland Mayor!

I have not had even one similar experience in that vein, anywhere else in the world.

TriDork

"Happiness is a myth. All you can hope for is to get laid once in a while, drunk once in a while and to eat chocolate every day"
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [teichs42] [ In reply to ]
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what kind of rate is the room? how many does it sleep? kitchen?

1 room, 2 double beds, no kitchen. Rate is $259 for June 20 and $329 for June 21 plus taxes, total $696.33. I haven't paid a penny for it, so it makes no difference to me. I have to cancel sometime soon to avoid a charge.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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rmg wrote:
La Quintessence if you can swing it.
http://www.hotelquintessence.com/en/

How close is it to the transition area? My wife voted and this place won.
Hôtel Quintessence = Expensive!
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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We were there for the hotel and to explore the area, non tri related. I remember it being a very short walk to the village (prob less than 1km to the transition). Knowing this place, they would courtesy shuttle you to wherever you needed to be if you did not want to walk. I think we hopped in a courtesy shuttle to go zip lining one day. The food is incredible and the rooms plush. We had a suite overlooking the lake. Highly recommend. If you can, try to do the chef's table one night. Infinity pool looks over Lake Tremblant. Practice swim...check. Your wife has good taste :) This place will make your trip more than just about the tri. So jealous. Have fun and race well.

RG
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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rmg wrote:
We were there for the hotel and to explore the area, non tri related. I remember it being a very short walk to the village (prob less than 1km to the transition). Knowing this place, they would courtesy shuttle you to wherever you needed to be if you did not want to walk. I think we hopped in a courtesy shuttle to go zip lining one day. The food is incredible and the rooms plush. We had a suite overlooking the lake. Highly recommend. If you can, try to do the chef's table one night. Infinity pool looks over Lake Tremblant. Practice swim...check. Your wife has good taste :) This place will make your trip more than just about the tri. So jealous. Have fun and race well.

RG

Good to hear. We're booked and so is her spa stuff. Gonna be an expensive race!
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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It will be worth it. Let me know how it goes.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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Nice looking place! It's a 5 minute walk at most to transition (probably more like 3) and looks like it's right on the run course at the top of the last hill you have to run up.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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It's actually where special needs for the run is. You run through their parking lot. It's about 500m from the finish line.

There is a great view on the swim exit from the back of the hotel.

Really nice place.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [tridork] [ In reply to ]
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tridork wrote:
Rather than continue a rant, I will respectfully bow out. I am glad your experiences in Quebec have been better than mine. I will chose to spend more time in Vietnam from now on. The Vietnamese people are fantastic!

I think if you wanted to *respectfully* bow out, you might consider deleting your bitter and insulting comments about an entire culture. Rather than leaving those comments indelibly in the public record like that and claiming you want to bow out.

AndyF
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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I've stayed at the Kandahar 3 times now - both 70.3's, and the full IM this past August. Staying there again for the 70.3 this June. Great location in the village. So nice to be able to walk to and from transition in a minute.
Oh, and there was absolutely no issue with language there. Everyone was incredibly friendly. My favorite race venue ever, which is why I'm going back for a 4th time, and am planning on registering for the 2015 full IM there again.
Cheers
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [gibson00] [ In reply to ]
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i have been up there for both fulls and am going back again this year. we stay in a condo in les manoirs and love it. we do the best we can to speak french and we have felt very welcomed:) we have only had great experiences in quebec, and actually look for reasons to visit more often!
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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rmg wrote:
La Quintessence if you can swing it.
http://www.hotelquintessence.com/en/

As a followup to others that find this in the search we stayed at the Hotel Quintessence and it was an unreal 4 night stay. Wife was blown away with the service and spa. Yea it's expensive but wow I have not slept that good on a trip, like, ever, and the wife was in heaven. Plus, race morning at 4am they had a 20 course breakfast ready, hot/cold/etc. Hotel manager is a big fan of the race and they will literally do anything you ask of them. Can't say enough positive things about this place.
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Re: Mont-Tremblant WC 70.3 Lodging - I'm confused on where to stay [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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Hah, was wondering if you'd report back. Glad you guys liked it. Great hotel. Hope your race went well.
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