Haha, you beat me to this question by a couple hours. Just ordered 2 more pairs of 4's on sale and a pair of Virrata 2s at REI (yay dividend), but re-lacing, and drilling holes in the soles are not things I love to do.

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I agree. Saucony on the A6 and Kinvara seems to like using a slightly narrow toe box. Maybe elite runners tend to have skinny feet at the toes? Of course 95% of these shoes will be purchased by folks that can't run under 3:30 for a marathon or 1:40 for a 1/2.

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PM me, too, please? I was really interested in the Ali'i 6s you reviewed before, but ramp height was a bit much for me.

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Hey, didn't want to take away from kinvara and talk zoot on the thread.

Honestly, for training runs and long distance run races, nothing matches kinvara. Not yet at least. There is a new zoot shoe coming out in July that is suppose to rival the kinvara or possibly be better.

For Tri racing, I use the zoot ultra kiawe 2. It's equal in all regards to the Saucony A5, it's better by adding the sock liner!! Fantastic shoe for sockless for sprint all the way to half IM.

The zoot ultra race is a very good long distance Tri shoe, but I think the kinvara is still better, especially for training. Race day it would really be a hard decision because of the boa laces, which are REALLY nice when the feet swell. But I'm holding out for the new zoot ali'i 14 or the new run specific shoe zoot has coming out in July.

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Here is a new thread for that discussion. It's REALLY long.

I might be kicked off the Zoot team after this though....

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ew;do=post_view#last

That's the thing that mainly has me interested in the Zoots, the sock liner for sockless racing. I've used kinvara's for everything up to 70.3, but switched to the Virrata for sprint/oly last year. Neither are great sockless. Not awful, but if the tongue folds a touch or something like that, then I wind up blistered/bleeding.

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Totally agree. Although I have lost a sock or 2 in the woods on a run and made it back without too much damage, but I would never start a run in kinvaras without them.

Try the Ultra Kiawe and Ultra Race 4. Ultra Kiawe is less cushioning than Kinvara, but still good for up to HIM.