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Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon!
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[/img]Unbelievably I sustained a deep cut to the side of my heel getting out of the shower yesterday when I whacked it against the faucet. Crazy. I guess thankfully it is not on the bottom where my heel fully touches the ground but right above and parallel to where my heel lands. It bleed a lot immediately, I cleaned it out and bandaged it up with some antibacterial ointment and was able to go to work and walk on it with out much issue but I slept with it uncovered and it is still bleeding a little this morning. Gash is about 2 inches long, feels fairly deep but is not particularly painful to the touch. My questions are:

-anything I can do to speed the healing?
-am I gonna do lasting damage running a marathon on this in 5 days?
-if not, any advice on what I can do now or during the race to best protect it?

Thanks in advance for any advice,
Jack
Last edited by: jsmith: Apr 16, 14 6:54
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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Neosporine during the day, wrapped with a bandage.
Leave open over night to heal.

Mid-Foot strike during marathon, bandaged real good with some body glue.

No lasting issues from running on it. It's only 4 hours of your life, cavemen did it for years!
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [npompei] [ In reply to ]
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When I was speedskating and had blisters/cuts on my feet I would use Spenco Second skin on the wound and tape over them.

The products can be found on Amazon, I used something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/...s=spenco+second+skin

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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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Think about it. Let's say you have an average stride length of say ... 42". That means you are going to take roughly 1500 strides per mile. At a minimum you would take over 39,000 strides. But we all know you will run a little more than the 26.2 miles ... so round that up to 40,000 strides.

That means the foot with that nasty cut is going to strike the ground about 20,000 times over 3 or 4 hours. It is going to have sweat coming into it for that long too.

We stress our bodies when we run marathons. Starting with an injury, especially to our legs or feet ... well that just makes for a miserable experience. It is not that you can't, but you need to think whether your foot with a 'deep, 2' gash' is healed enough to endure the forces you are going to place on it and the lift you are going to ask it to produce ... 20,000 times.

You clearly cut the skin and nerves, and you likely cut the fascia and muscle. Ointments, salves, tape, padding, etc. all lack the one ingredient you need ... which is 'time'. If you can't run without pain or without favoring it the day before ... then you should take a DNS.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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Ugh, that is fugly. Are you sure you don't need stitches or it's infected? I'm the paranoid/cautious type, I would go to the doc.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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If you can't keep your wound from bleeding during the race you run the risk of some serious infection getting in there (all that heat will be a breeding ground for bacteria). Worst case scenario you could end up in the hospital and with something really serious or permanent. You could lose a limb or worse depending on what you get for an infection (if you do).

Might not be worth it for one race to risk something that could be permanent.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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My advice to anyone would be to see a Dr., who specializes in sports medicine and get the go ahead. Beyond that +1 on Second Skin. It's gotten me through many blister laden runs.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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Super Glue it.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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See a doctor? If it is still bleeding the next day it probably should be stitched.


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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [Monsieur Trois] [ In reply to ]
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Monsieur Trois wrote:
Super Glue it.

Do NOT glue it. Great way to ask for infection. And it would break open running anyway

It's probably too late to stitch it. Make sure you keep it super clean between now and race day.

Use a good bit of gauze padding, neosporin, and duct tape to hold it on for the race. You'll want to try a few configurations of bandages before race day.

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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [snackchair] [ In reply to ]
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If the wound has been cleaned Super Glue will not "ask for an infection" assuming that the tip of the glue dispenser is clean.
Medical versions of super glue are commonly used in hospitals, clinics, doctor's offices. Perhaps you still have "lingering concerns"...see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15837150 to allay them now.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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see the doctor, get it cleaned up.

then, ask yourself, what would prefontaine do?
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [Monsieur Trois] [ In reply to ]
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The glue does not cause infection. It's the fact that it's more likely to trap potential contaminants in the wound. There's a higher risk of infection if the wound was cut on something with a high potential for infection - ie a faucet in a bathtub.

If the wound was properly cleaned immediately, or performed in a sterile environment like surgery then glue is great. But the longer the wound is open, or the more contaminated the item that did the cutting, the higher the risk of infection. Same is even true for stitching once it's open beyond a certain point.

I'm speaking from experience. I had part of my hand removed after a small pocket-knife cut was glued shut by a poorly informed np. Fortunately when the infection spread, I was in Boston, and had one of the best hand surgeons in the US prevent amputation. She was pretty adamant that the infection probably wouldn't have been such an issue if not for the glue.

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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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So sorry. What a bummer. I would have all bandages supplies ready to go and would take a wait and see attitude. The body has incredible capacity to heal and in 5 days it may be much better (considering you are I assume young and not immunocompromised).

I would carry on as planned like you are doing your race and reaccess the situation a few days before. If it is still open, tender, and or painful to run on (you w ill know) I would nix the race. But if a lot of healing has taken place and you are moving pain free I would say go for it. Frankly if you are in pain during the race you could always drop out then. This is what I would do.

But good luck and let us know!
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [snackchair] [ In reply to ]
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I have failed. That NP needs a CWS refresher.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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Is your tetanus vaccine up to date?
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [Ellsworth53T] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks to everyone for their replies. It stopped bleeding yesterday and our neighbor who is an ER doctor (and has done a half ironman) looked at it for me tonight and said its healing well and that I will do no lasting damage running on it Monday, particularly if I can tape it up so there is no chafing. Guess I will try some duct tape over the bandage and see how that goes. Should be an interesting day.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [jsmith] [ In reply to ]
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You might do a quick search for something called a bunga pad. Bunga makes silicone foot wraps that ice skaters use to protect their feet from the friction of their skates. They might have one configured to protect just the heel area. The company also makes silicone toe caps (that's the product I use to keep toe damage to a minimum when I'm doing a lot of marathons close together).

Website is bungapads.com

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Last edited by: SharonMcN: Apr 17, 14 20:35
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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rbuike wrote:
See a doctor? If it is still bleeding the next day it probably should be stitched.


You can't stitch anything once 6 hours has passed.
It's just a cut people. Make sure you keep it open a night so it dries out, keep it clean, and bandage heavily for the marathon. You aren't going to die.

I was a medic in the military so I am not just spouting BS.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [cbump] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still cracking up over this. Glad I clicked it. Lasting damage? hahaha
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [Monsieur Trois] [ In reply to ]
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Monsieur Trois wrote:
Super Glue it.

+1.
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Re: Deep cut in heel 6 days before marathon! [npompei] [ In reply to ]
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Just wanted to follow up with how things turned out: cut was pretty darn painful on the downhillls, manageable on the flats and fine running up hill. Real glad I saw our neighbor the ER doctor before the race as it gave me confidence to push through. Ended up having a really fun day - it was a truly great day to be a part of.

For those facing similar situations in the future my advice is to first see a doctor who knows running to make sure you wont do more damage and to get advice on how to prevent infection. If you get the ok to run, I tried the second skin stuff a couple days before the race and it didn't feel too good for me so for the race I went with the old standard: a waterproof bandage covered by duct tape. Worked pretty well - no discernable major damage after the race.

Thanks again to everyone for their advice.
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