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AthletesOnTrack
Aug 6, 12 7:02
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Re: The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming [cannastar]
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Riding a trainer definitely has a place in your training. The reasons mentioned are spot-on, and there are others as well. However, races are not contested on a trainer. It is imperative that you train like you're going to race.
The trainer is only roughly analogous to cycling. If somebody claimed to do 99.9% of their riding on a trainer I would think they should actually get out and ride their bike more.
The pool is roughly analogous to open water swimming. If you're doing 99.9% of your training in a pool, your race-specific preparation is lacking. I get that Eric and others don't like swimming in open water, and that's fine. But to suggest that it's a great or the best way to train
all the time
is incorrect.
Two clarifications: First, I never said the quote came from a great triathlete. Second, the analogy stands up. We aren't comparing different disciplines of cycling to different disciplines of swimming, but rather training methodologies and tools in tri training.
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ajthomas
Aug 6, 12 8:08
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ericmulk wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
AthletesOnTrack wrote:
A pull quote from my next blog post:
"Swimming in a pool is like riding a trainer; it's decent training, but it's no substitute for the real thing."
The guy who said that swam for the University of Texas before becoming a triathlete.
There is only one great triathlete that I can think of who swam at UT, and I cannot imagine that he said that. If he did say it, and you are attributing it to him, so be it.
AJ - Are you thinking of James B.???
Exactly. I read the quote and thought he must be talking about JB. But if JB said it then why not just say his name. I am probably reading way too much into this, especially considering that the only email I have ever exchanged with him pertained to the weather...
yikes
Aug 6, 12 8:30
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Stupid question. What is the "swim band" he mentions in one of the rules? Where does one find one of these and how do you use it?
snoop
Aug 6, 12 8:55
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Re: The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming [yikes]
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I was also puzzled by that and would like to know the answer!
Anybody?
ericmulk
Aug 6, 12 9:06
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ajthomas wrote:
ericmulk wrote:
ajthomas wrote:
AthletesOnTrack wrote:
A pull quote from my next blog post:
"Swimming in a pool is like riding a trainer; it's decent training, but it's no substitute for the real thing."
The guy who said that swam for the University of Texas before becoming a triathlete.
There is only one great triathlete that I can think of who swam at UT, and I cannot imagine that he said that. If he did say it, and you are attributing it to him, so be it.
AJ - Are you thinking of James B.???
Exactly. I read the quote and thought he must be talking about JB. But if JB said it then why not just say his name. I am probably reading way too much into this, especially considering that the only email I have ever exchanged with him pertained to the weather...
Ya, I exchanged several emails with him about 8-10 yrs ago and IIRC all of our discussion was about swimming in the pool. I asked him about kicking and he admitted to being a "lousy kicker" and that "most of the girls can out-kick me". I did not even ask him about OWS, prob cause I just see no need for it except the day before a race to scout the course, and then of course the race itself.
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Aug 6, 12 9:08
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Re: The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming [snoop]
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Old bike tube tied in to a loop and then you put it around your ankles. A few good threads if you search. Here is one:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...t_reply;so=ASC;mh=25
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ericmulk
Aug 6, 12 10:17
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Re: The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming [AthletesOnTrack]
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AthletesOnTrack wrote:
Riding a trainer definitely has a place in your training. The reasons mentioned are spot-on, and there are others as well. However, races are not contested on a trainer. It is imperative that you train like you're going to race.
The trainer is only roughly analogous to cycling. If somebody claimed to do 99.9% of their riding on a trainer I would think they should actually get out and ride their bike more.
The pool is roughly analogous to open water swimming. If you're doing 99.9% of your training in a pool, your race-specific preparation is lacking. I get that Eric and others don't like swimming in open water, and that's fine. But to suggest that it's a great or the best way to train
all the time
is incorrect.
Two clarifications: First, I never said the quote came from a great triathlete. Second, the analogy stands up. We aren't comparing different disciplines of cycling to different disciplines of swimming, but rather training methodologies and tools in tri training.
IMO the biggest diff between comparing trainer/road cycling, treadmill/running outside and pool/OWS, is that on the trainer and on the T-mill, you are
stationary with no movement through the air
, whereas in the pool you are
moving through the water
. For me this is a huge diff because I can actually enjoy the feeling of moving through the water; I get a similar feeling riding the bike outside and running outside. The trainer and the TM are pretty boring; I can tolerate them for awhile but always go out for the "real thing" as soon as possible. This is not to say that you can't get great benefits from using them, since I've done some really good rides and runs after going hard on the trainer and the TM.
Swimming in the pool is much more comparable to running on the track or cycling on the track than to the trainer and TM. Some may disagree but I've heard several elite runners say that "the runner trained on the track can compete on any course", and I would say same about swimming, NOT meaning to imply that I'm an elite swimmer.
"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
ajthomas
Aug 6, 12 12:39
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AthletesOnTrack wrote:
Two clarifications: First, I never said the quote came from a great triathlete. Second, the analogy stands up. We aren't comparing different disciplines of cycling to different disciplines of swimming, but rather training methodologies and tools in tri training.
Really no problem. I don't think it was your intention was to mis-attribute the quote.
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Aug 6, 12 15:45
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I think people are over emphasizing the importance of ows. Once a week during the season is all you really need. The reality is that you won't be fast in the open water unless your fast in the pool. Of course open water ability will play an important role but technique and fitness are better built in the pool where you can follow intervals and have your stroke checked.
In my squad we have a state ow champ. Never swims in the open water until he races.
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ericmulk
Aug 6, 12 18:40
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cannastar wrote:
I think people are over emphasizing the importance of ows. Once a week during the season is all you really need. The reality is that you won't be fast in the open water unless your fast in the pool. Of course open water ability will play an important role but technique and fitness are better built in the pool where you can follow intervals and have your stroke checked.
In my squad we have a state ow champ. Never swims in the open water until he races.
Agree about the over-emphasis and your state OW champ perfectly illustrates this.
"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."
Bill
Aug 6, 12 19:10
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If you haven't seen it, this is a great OWS post:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rch_string=;#3998699
ericmulk
Aug 6, 12 19:36
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Bill wrote:
If you haven't seen it, this is a great OWS post:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...rch_string=;#3998699
Ya, actually I have seen that one. He has his athletes doing 95% or more of swim training in the pool, which is what I've always thought also. I like what he says towards the end about swimming, like cycling, being a "strength endurance" sport in that for both you need very specific strength, which for swimming you mostly develop by swimming and adding resistance, by gym or stretch cord work, or a combination.
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