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oldandslow
Jul 29, 12 11:28
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There is no fixing this.
Yes, the world is ending, and it has been doing so for many centuries/millennia now. Things actually get fixed, no matter what people think in the moment. We have dealt with FAR worse, and will continue to do so. Guess what, when things get bad enough, people change behaviors!
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Record10Carbon
Jul 29, 12 11:32
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I watched "I am legend" just last night.
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oldandslow
Jul 29, 12 11:37
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Cool, a 2007 remake of a 1971 film, based on a 1954 book. BTW, was "I am Legend" as good as "The Omega Man"?
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Jul 29, 12 11:39
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Great! Now I can download that one and watch it!
Thanks for the tip ;-)
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klehner
Jul 29, 12 15:55
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ACA repeal and true reform may be the only issue that would compel me to vote for Romney, and a straight R ticket, for that matter.
Yes, the republican desire to cut student loans and get the government out of the loan business, to gut food regulations, cut funding for NIH, and do nothing to increase any kind of health care coverage: there's a recipe for reform.
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spot
Jul 29, 12 18:36
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klehner wrote:
sphere wrote:
ACA repeal and true reform may be the only issue that would compel me to vote for Romney, and a straight R ticket, for that matter.
Yes, the republican desire to cut student loans and get the government out of the loan business, to gut food regulations, cut funding for NIH, and do nothing to increase any kind of health care coverage: there's a recipe for reform.
And the democrat desire to pay for everything for everybody, not address the underlying issues that are driving health care costs up faster than inflation, kowtow to every whim of every union, and play the class warfare angle to drive a wedge between Americans: another great recipe for reform.
And just for the record: I think both parties suck.
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Jul 29, 12 18:43
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klehner wrote:
sphere wrote:
ACA repeal and true reform may be the only issue that would compel me to vote for Romney, and a straight R ticket, for that matter.
Yes, the republican desire to cut student loans and get the government out of the loan business, to gut food regulations, cut funding for NIH, and do nothing to increase any kind of health care coverage: there's a recipe for reform.
Oh, how I wish that was true.
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Jul 29, 12 21:16
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That's why I've been telling everyone for the past few years it is an "insurance law" and not a "health care" law. Anyone with half a brain would understand this, but the politicians depend on a rather large pool of voters that have shit for brains.
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oldandslow
Jul 29, 12 21:17
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ACA repeal and true reform may be the only issue that would compel me to vote for Romney, and a straight R ticket, for that matter.
The GOP fixation on ACA repeal is presently the biggest impediment to further health care reform. There isn't a shred of evidence that ongoing efforts to repeal Obamacare have moved us any closer to dealing with the cost issues of health care. Thankfully, there are many indications that independents want to move past this debate. One has to ask the question, if Obamacare isn't repealed, does the GOP have ANY platform at all for improving health care?
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Tridiot
Jul 30, 12 6:45
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Why don't more walk in clinics pop up near ERs? Is there zoning laws to prevent it, or hospitals make sure it doesn't happen? Seems like hospital officials would be clamoring to get walk in clinics nearby to help with the load.
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Jul 30, 12 6:55
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Humor me and tell me that I'm wrong. Tell me that people will start taking better care of themselves, and knock the obesity rate back from over 30%. Tell me people will start making smarter lifestyle and healthcare consumption choices. Tell me healthcare providers will stop fleeing primary care for better hours and higher pay.
While some of those people will probably do those things, there really isn't that much incentive for them to do so right now.
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Jul 30, 12 6:58
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Why don't more walk in clinics pop up near ERs? Is there zoning laws to prevent it, or hospitals make sure it doesn't happen? Seems like hospital officials would be clamoring to get walk in clinics nearby to help with the load.
Or better yet. Free health clinics staffed by and provided by those who want to offer healthcare access to everyone regardless of ability to pay.
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Jul 30, 12 7:10
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For democracy, or a democratic republic, to flourish requires that the people make the best available choices more often than not, both in their behavior and expectations of elected officials. It seems that is no longer the case in the United States.
If people are sheltered from the costs of their choices, as they are to a large degree now, they simply
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make the best available choices. I think a large part of the problem started during WWII, when employers got around the wage freeze by compensating their employees with medical insurance. In the years that followed, the problem was further exacerbated by IRS policy, which again made compensation via low-deductible medical insurance the most attractive market choice. Through this process medical insurance itself has been transformed into "medical care," providing not just for the unexpected risks that would be covered by true insurance, but for virtually all medical costs. With this shift of responsibility, whatever your ill, the doctors will fix it--so only the most far-sighted of us now tend to make the lifestyle decisions that engender good health.
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Jul 30, 12 7:32
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Interesting post.
It's often hard to put ourselves in the mindset of other people. I remember a coworker a few years back who was having a few health problems. Bassicaly he had heartburn caused by some flap in his throat that wouldn't close.
One day he was sitting at work and decided that it was bothering him and was frustrated that the doctors had not cured him yet. He said, "I can't take this any more," and called his doctor. His doctor was not available that afternnoon. So he called a random doctor, who was also not available that afternoon. So he left work and went to the emergency room.
He went to the EMERGENCY ROOM because of an uncomfortable tickle in the back of his throat that has probably been there for years, and was certainly something that he had been noticing for days if not weeks already.
I think you make a good point in that had he been required to pay an extra $500 for the ER visit, he probably would have waited the extra day or two to see his family doctor.
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Record10Carbon
Jul 30, 12 8:40
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Why don't more walk in clinics pop up near ERs? Is there zoning laws to prevent it, or hospitals make sure it doesn't happen? Seems like hospital officials would be clamoring to get walk in clinics nearby to help with the load.
We have tried over and over. People dont want to go to the walk in - they want to go to the ED. Oh, at at like 9pm.
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Jul 30, 12 8:47
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It will take nothing short of a paradigm shift in human nature,
I would agree with this.
suspension of the basic laws of economics,
Not sure what you mean by this. Seems to me that an attempt to suspend the basic laws of economics is exactly what has caused the problem. IOW the paradigm shift in human nature that needs to take place is that back to the basic laws of economics. That shift would also include the reality that resources are limited and to quote the Rolling stones...You can't always get what you want...but if you try sometimes, you might find, you get want you need.
and an impossible reversal of demographic trends to spare us from financial ruin,
See above, a return to economic rule would in fact force everyone to save themselves from financial ruin.
so long as elected politicians craft our public policy on health care.
I would agree with this, because elected officials are the only ones among us that are not bound tightly by normal economic principles. Being able to print your own money can do that :-)
Being able to take others money and spend it on anything you desire has a similar effect.
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Jul 30, 12 9:13
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Tridiot wrote:
Why don't more walk in clinics pop up near ERs? Is there zoning laws to prevent it, or hospitals make sure it doesn't happen? Seems like hospital officials would be clamoring to get walk in clinics nearby to help with the load.
Correct me if I'm wrong . . .
The walk in clinic can force you to pay upfront (or have insurance); the ER can not (or will not) do so.
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Jul 30, 12 9:31
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Not sure what you mean by this. Seems to me that an attempt to suspend the basic laws of economics is exactly what has caused the problem. IOW the paradigm shift in human nature that needs to take place is that back to the basic laws of economics. That shift would also include the reality that resources are limited and to quote the Rolling stones...You can't always get what you want...but if you try sometimes, you might find, you get want you need.
That's gotta be the first time I've seen anyone cite the Rolling Stones as economic authorities, but your point is well-taken.
I would agree with this, because elected officials are the only ones among us that are not bound tightly by normal economic principles.
Sure they are. There's no economic principle that says that a government official who institutes a policy that backfires can't get reelected.
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Jul 30, 12 9:36
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To a point you are correct - but oddly, not in every case - nor every hospital. It is not uncommon for payment terms to be setup prior to treatment at an ED - however, in an emergency they dont even care what your name it, they save your life and ask later.
Unfortunately 90%+ cases in the ED are certainly not emergencies.
One hospital I work at did open a walk in about 100yds from the ED. When it is suggested to folks to go there they pretty much go nuts, claim it is a race thing and on and on.
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justgeorge
Jul 31, 12 5:51
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so what do you suggest? do you think the system was fine as it was?
No, the system wasn't fine as it was, but Obamacare didn't fix the problems. It does nothing to reduce medical costs, and the true costs keep going higher and higher. Wait till 10% of employers drop health insurance for their employees not that their employees can get it for "free". But at least Yahey can feel good about forcing healthy 20 year olds to buy insurance.
Doing something just to do something is often times worse than doing nothing, but politicians especially haven't figured that out.
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