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gohmdoree
Jun 27, 12 13:46
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Two beat kick vs Flutter kick
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I barely kick if at all, and been doing a two beat type of kick with my swim. Sometimes its a slight flick, sometimes a harder kick. Since learning, I been able to swim longer.
Sometimes I don't feel balanced, and when I try a flutter kick, get more balanced.
One coach of mine to do the two beat kick, for several reasons. A coach I got analyzed said not to bother, and work on my balance and basics first.
Said it was inappropriate.
What do you guys use and whats your opinion?
FLA Jill
Jun 27, 12 15:04
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A two beat kick is a flutter kick.
Go with what feels right to you. Though if you need to kick to feel balanced, you're probably using that kick to prop up hips that are sinking because of bad body position.
gohmdoree
Jun 27, 12 15:10
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I'm thinking the same, but some days I feel level, other days I feel like I'm swimming through sludge.
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Jun 27, 12 15:41
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Try incorporating some band swimming into your workouts. Will sort or your "balance" issues soon enough. Forces you to engage your core to keep your hips and legs up.
In terms of kicking, do what is most comfortable/efficient. Different strokes for different folks.
(Hot tip: if you don't want to buy a fancy ankle band, just lop the top off of a swim cap. Good luck!)
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mck414
Jun 27, 12 18:52
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gohmdoree
Jun 27, 12 19:32
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thanks for the tips.
corneliused
Jun 27, 12 23:18
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Or put your speedo around your ankles.
Deaf Paul
Jun 27, 12 23:44
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You mean, pull down your speedo down to your ankles? Wouldn't want to see somebody hopping out of the changing room and heading to the pool with his speedos already around 'em ankles...
PT
Jun 27, 12 23:45
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Or spare speedo's if you're feeling modest.
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Jun 28, 12 0:31
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Seriously though; as said above: a two-beat kick is just a slow version of a flutter kick. Flutter is just a term to differentiate this type of kick from the type used in breast-stroke or butterfly. If you speed it up (4 beat or 6 beat - per armstroke) it will feel more like a flutter. I too kick pretty slowly but I use it to balance in the water and keep my body aligned. I get some propulsion, depending on how much I'm flexing my feet. Often they just trail though. For long distance swimming, I find that balance is as (if not more) important than propulsion from your kick. The exercises with bands above may help. I find using fins and a kickboard also gives a great workout while allowing focus on balance at speed. I often do 5 0r 10 x 100m as a set like this.
Kevinschus
Jun 28, 12 2:39
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FLA Jill wrote:
A two beat kick is a flutter kick.
Go with what feels right to you. Though if you need to kick to feel balanced, you're probably using that kick to prop up hips that are sinking because of bad body position.
+1. My thoughts exactly. If the OPs hips are sinking, she might want to adjust her head position too. She could be holding it too far up so her hips are sinking.
ShoMyOFace
Jun 28, 12 3:06
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You can gain a lot from a two beat kick and may be preferred by some but from your description you appear to gain little from it. On top of everyone else's suggestions, I would also add some kick sets and ankle stretches - these will help you to build a more efficient kick so that you can gain more from your two beat kick and obtain that desired position.
Q: when you do a pull set, are your times faster or slower than full stroke?
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gohmdoree
Jun 28, 12 7:47
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My speed is only slightly faster with a pull buoy than without.
I been told think of the kick not as so much for propulsion, but to help with rotation.
Prior to learning the two beat kick, I'd feel so winded from kicking so hard. After, I was able to swim almost forever. It comes and goes, that ease. Not being someone who grew up swimming, time away from the pool brings a bit of that rust and lack of form, but not as much as when I first started.
Something to work on a bit more. Thanks everyone for the feedback.
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Jun 28, 12 11:19
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An elite swimmer will get some propulsion but mostly gains good position which is what we are all looking for as it frees up the arms a bit and makes you faster. In your case its probably minimal and is demonstrated by the fact that your pull sets are faster than full stroke. The pull buoy gives you a good body position so you go faster. Once you remove that nice body position you move slower. By improving position with a band, flexibility and kick sets you will gain efficiency and swim faster
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