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jnielsen

Apr 13, 05 17:09

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I used my Garim 301 for the entire race and loaded it up to motionbased.com. The GPS has the distance almost dead on. Check it out - but no cracking on my time:) It's a pretty cool tool - I actually swam a pretty straight line!

IMAZ SWIM:

http://trail.motionbased.com/...enderPk.pkValue=2857

IMAZ BIKE:

http://trail.motionbased.com/...enderPk.pkValue=2857

IMAZ RUN:

http://trail.motionbased.com/...enderPk.pkValue=2857


Erik Clark

Apr 13, 05 17:17

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Cool thanks for sharing. Pretty neat to have the HR info be incorporated in with GPS info. I was interested in the wind speed data, about 15mph with a max of 19mph or so. From watching on IMLive it seemed to be gusting stonger than that at times.


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smartasscoach

Apr 13, 05 17:18

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Very interesting, THANKS!
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paco

Apr 13, 05 18:11

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [smartasscoach] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Great....

Now I have to upgrade from my 201.

I never thought about using it on a swim.
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Diesel

Apr 13, 05 18:40

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks MUCHO for those links. Very sweet info.

Having the HR info included is soooooooooo nice. My IMAZ bike is public on MB as well..but my "race" ended around mile 55 and turned into a training day. Glad I stuck with it....as I saw a different IM than ever before. Humbling is perhaps the best word.

How did you wear your 301 for the swim?

Was each activity a separate lap or did you reset for each event?


jnielsen

Apr 13, 05 19:17

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [Smitty8] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I use the new 2.68 mulitsport functionalty..it rocks it accounts for Transitions and all. Makes it real simple, just have to hit the lap button and it switches disiplines.

As for the swim - I wore the watch under my swim cap with the strap flat against my head, basically running from almost my hairline in front to my hairline in back. To hold the Garmin in place I wore my goggles (as I always do) under my swim cap. My goggle strap is a two piece, I basically put the Garmin in between the straps and it stays in place. Get out of the swim, hit "lap" and it's into T1 you go.


Erik Clark

Apr 13, 05 20:09

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Is v2.68 only for the 301? I have the 201 and I would like that feature, especially for bricks, and race simulation.


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Terry in MN

Apr 13, 05 20:11

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

So much for all those people trying to account for slower than expected bike splits by saying the bike was 116 miles long according to their computer, huh?


jnielsen

Apr 13, 05 20:36

Post #9 of 36 (7424 views)
Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [Erik Clark] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

From what I can tell, yes v2.68 is only for the 301


CCF

Apr 14, 05 1:24

Post #10 of 36 (7354 views)
Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

That is, without a doubt, one of the coolest things I've seen. A couple of questions:

Your under-the-cap trick for the swim is slick. I saw on the Garmin site that the 301 is rated for only 30 minutes in up to 1 meter of water. Are you sure it's safe (for the 301) to have it wet for over an hour?

Do you know how the distance/elevation calculation works for the run/bike? That is, if you go, say, 10 miles up a 10% grade, does it only record the horizontal distance traveled, or do you get the whole 10 miles? I know that the 201 does NOT take elevation changes into account when calculating distance. So you could climb K2 and get hardly any distance traveled.

How the hell does the 301 measure wind speed?

again, thanks, that's cool stuff.

-Colin
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Pony Boy

Apr 14, 05 6:04

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [CCF] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Very cool!

Don't you actually mean v2.63?

Pressure at 1 meter under water is much greater than under your cap so I would think there wouldn't be any problem. I can't believe my cap would stay on but I have a pretty big noggin.

I thought both the 201 and 301 took elevation into consideration for distance. I saw it on MotionBased's forum discussing why Garmin and MB come up with slightly different distances for the same workout (different formulas involving elevation).

For wind speed and temp. I think MB just connects to an online weather source for that zip code


jnielsen

Apr 14, 05 8:47

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [Pony Boy] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

PB - You hit it dead on...wind speed & temp are actually based on the nearest airport based on your actual location, in this case it was PHX Sky harbor for IMAZ.

Garim under the cap issue - I've have no problems, if you think about it, the cap forms a very tight bond around your head, and the swim cap typically has some extra room near the top. It works quite well.

I don't have a clear understanding of the elevation into consideration for distance issue at this point. - I need to read more


ohioclyde

Apr 14, 05 9:17

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Not bad for Clyde!!

The links are great, I jut got a Garmin GPS eTrex Legend for my birthday and have not had the chance to play around with it much yet. Mainly for camping and hiking, but cool none the less.

Great time too, especially with the winds. You and I traded back and forth on the bike a lot. I was on the QR Caliente, bib #142 (Stephen).

Congratulations on a good race on a tough day, always good to see fellow Clydes having a good race.

Steve


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Mike Lamb

Apr 14, 05 9:25

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [Pony Boy] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

re: the wind speed. that makes more sense hearing they just took the sky harbor measurements. out on the beeline and mckellips where there was absolutely no relief, it was blowing stronger than that i am certain.



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Lextri

Apr 14, 05 9:28

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Very cool post to Motionbased.

I assume you started the watch through your swim cap then. I have the 301, but would be fearful that I hadn't started the watch properly without the message on the watch that says "Timer Started." I may test it out at a local race to help decide whether to use it during IMLP.


jaylew

Apr 14, 05 9:40

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [CCF] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
Do you know how the distance/elevation calculation works for the run/bike? That is, if you go, say, 10 miles up a 10% grade, does it only record the horizontal distance traveled, or do you get the whole 10 miles? I know that the 201 does NOT take elevation changes into account when calculating distance. So you could climb K2 and get hardly any distance traveled.


Not true. I had a 201 and took it on long and/or steep climbs all the time.Tthe distance matched my bike computer almost exactly.

My 201 started acting up, so I took it back and decided to upgrade to the 301. It was a great decision as there are several improvements in addition to the hr function. It seems like every small thing I didn't like about the 201 has been fixed w/ the 301.


ssDirk

Apr 14, 05 9:41

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quite possibly the best advertisement I've seen for the Garmin...

I was thinking about getting one for IM AZ but didn't. Thanks for your post & congrats on your IM finish...


Diesel

Apr 14, 05 9:54

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [HowardIno] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

The Garmin is a very nifty tool....but it's really MotionBased that brings everything together (corrections, elevations, etc)

I wouldn't have bought my 201 w/o MotionBased. The Garmin logbook is awful. Is the Logbook with the 301 any different?


CCF

Apr 14, 05 10:10

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jaylew] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

That's interesting. All I know is that when I bought my 201, I emailed Garmin with that same question, and they answered that the distance was "as the crow flies"; that is, straight line distance not taking any elevation change into account. I never had the oppurtunity to really test that.

I also asked them specifically about swimming, because if you could wear that sucker on your wrist, it would be the ultimate open-water swimming tool. They said that it was not rated for swimming, and not to do it. I assume that the waterproofing is the same for the 301, as it says on the website.

This makes me wonder why they would have multisport options for it, that includes swim and T1 times. That's a bit silly if they say don't swim with it, but we will record your swim time.

-Colin
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jaylew

Apr 14, 05 10:22

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [CCF] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
That's interesting. All I know is that when I bought my 201, I emailed Garmin with that same question, and they answered that the distance was "as the crow flies"; that is, straight line distance not taking any elevation change into account. I never had the oppurtunity to really test that.

I also asked them specifically about swimming, because if you could wear that sucker on your wrist, it would be the ultimate open-water swimming tool. They said that it was not rated for swimming, and not to do it. I assume that the waterproofing is the same for the 301, as it says on the website.

This makes me wonder why they would have multisport options for it, that includes swim and T1 times. That's a bit silly if they say don't swim with it, but we will record your swim time.

-Colin


That is weird. I specifically took mine out on one of my regular hillclimbs after I got it just to check and it was spot on. I don't use a bike computer anymore, but it's always read virtually the same as the guys bike computers around me, regardless of terrain.


malarky

Apr 14, 05 10:23

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [Smitty8] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jnielsen - Thanks for posting this. I had pretty much decided to get the 301 already but this just sealed the deal.

Smitty - From what I have read; With the 301 they have gotten rid of the old log book and replaced it with a much better program. Here is a link to the website. http://www.garmin.com/...ucts/trainingcenter/


CCF

Apr 14, 05 10:36

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jaylew] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I just ran the numbers, and we probably wouldn't be able to tell either way.

If you climb 10 miles at 10% grade, your linear (horizontal) distance is still 9.95, totally in line with any error the Garmin might have. Since a very small number of us ever climb 10 miles at 10% (let alone climb it regularly), it should really never be an issue. Interesting, though, that is was correct vs. a bike computer. My 201 wasn't ever that close.

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pacifico

Apr 14, 05 11:29

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I did the race and both bike & run felt pretty flat to me. It didn't feel like 4k of elevation change on the bike and 3k on the run. Is this really correct?


epb3972

Apr 14, 05 14:05

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [jnielsen] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Did you wear the HR strap? Curious about that one.



Thanks


jnielsen

Apr 14, 05 14:35

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Re: Garmin 301 used during IMAZ [azclydesdale] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I remember you...it's great to see a fellow Clyde out there. You had a great ride as well!

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