Not that it makes much of a difference to me, but do you have those drag #'s?

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What what what?!!? you don't like blatant advertising and name dropping? But this is truth.

Scholars maintain that anything with John Cobb's name on it is the fastest thing in the universe. As other bikes approach the aero-ness velocity JC, which everyone knows is the constant 'John Cobb', a near infinite number measured in dollars/coefficients of drag, the L and M corrections must be factored in. Where L and M are the lawyer and marketing variables, respectively, as measured in dollars.

No really, it's science.

Did you really expect a warm welcome with that post? Without numbers and comparisons it means nothing. I'm pretty sure I could see this same info in a magazine with a better picture, I believe they are called advertisements.

BTW, no ill will towards John Cobb or Wilier, just the direction of the first post.

Numbers are good to know, I am just thankful I was invited to the test. The bike did test fast and was actually tested. Best of all I have the bike to ride for a couple of days. Have a good one.

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does anybody know how wide the downtube is (in mm) of this bike, somewhere near the middle of the downtube ?

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The measurement below the W (drive side) on the down tube is 27.3mm.

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that's not bad.

does it stay that narrow for most of the downtube ?

any idea what the target price (msrp) will be for the frameset ?

and thanks for the info...

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Stewart,
I appreciate all the work you put into your wind tunnel research, but there must have been some problem or calibration error. I regret that I have to be the one to tell you that no bike that ugly could possibly be fast.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

LOL, that last comment is funny about ugly being fast, or not. This is such a fun place to visit when I want a good laugh. What is the hang up with everyone being so obsesed with the downtube width?, when you look at the size of people's thighs, knees and calves, it dwarfs the width of the downtube. Last time I checked a human's legs were not very aerodynamic.

From my understanding, it will be a little under $5,000.

Either way, I think it is one awesome looking bike.

$5k for the bike, or just the frameset ?

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Well 145mm might be a bit much...lol, I love how everyone has certain things that get them going but this one seems to be the most common one, I thought the shape of the downtube was what mattered the most, not always just the width. In the end it will always be the strongest rider, swimmer, runner that goes the fastest, it is never the make of the bike, just look at any race result.

Frameset,

I've also heard it could be around 4,400. But you never know. We're gona have to wait and see what it comes out as.

I think those first couple pictures definately show that an aero helmet, even with the tail up, has a much smoother air flow over the back than the non aero helmet!

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MSRP for the frameset $4399

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Greg,

Perhaps John Cobb can get on here to explain the design even further, but from what I saw in person at Interbike, the whole bike was pretty dang narrow (which even the average rider could tell by looking at various frames). However, I think certain areas get wider on the downtube for specific regions (I think John mentioned slapping clay on the proto in the wind tunnel to help redirect air flow).

On a side note, the bike wouldn't be so ugly if John would add some color matching graphics to his wheels, or tell the guys at Wilier he needs a frame in a black, yellow, and gray paint scheme :-) (alas, it is a funky looking frame but pretty cool when seen in person - nothing a kick a$$ custom paint job couldn't take care of...)

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The photo of the bike on the Wilier website is with Campy Boras and different aerobars, and it looks MUCH better...

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I find it interesting how the Lotus-like bump on the head tube is recapitulated not only on the downtube (albeit oriented differently, presumably due to the way air leaves the front wheel), but also on the seat tube.

This one looked pretty cool....with optional graphics upgrade

From www.pezcyclingnews.com

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Tom did you change your username???

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That is one curvy bike.

People can say what they will but IMO, that bike looks sweet. The problem is twofold, 1- its a bit much dough for the average joe. 2- you have to be amazingly fast to be on a ride that sweet and there are few of us amazingly fast. (however as a side note, you will look fast on it even when sitting still)

why am I posting this? I should be training for an ironman.

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Nope. Always had the same one.
Tom

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