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Calculate your CdA... wind is ok. UPDATE
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There is a lot of interest regarding aero drag coefficients in TTs, and AFAIK there aren't any good protocols for determining this if there is wind. So I put something together that seems to work. I've only done one series of tests though. Unfortunately I've discovered that a flatish section of road with a steady grade may be even more difficult to find where I live than a windless day! I've used this on several people's TT files lately... which isn't the best way to use it, but if that is all you have it will give you a ballpark idea of your drag coefficient.

Anyway... ask questions, give it a try if you are interested, and let me know how it goes.

Updated 2013.06.29 with entrance and exit speed inputs to account for momentum.
http://www.whitemountainwheels.com/CdA_Calc_2013_06_29.xls
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You need a section of road with a consistent grade (~zero is best), where you can ride at a consistent power and speed. You'll do out-back runs over this segment and record average power and speed. Around 1 mile long is probably best, so you can have enough data points in each run and still do several "laps". If you have a GPS, it's easy to create these segments in Strava.

No traffic... unless you want to know how traffic effects your drag.

You need to be fully up to speed before you enter the segment. I recommend allowing at least .25 miles for this.

How hard should you go? Up to you. Power to overcome wind drag is porportional to speed ^3, so don't go too slow. If you wish you can make this an interval workout, or ride below FTP if you are tired. Varying your speed between runs can be instructive for looking at other variables, but that is more of an advanced topic.

Even though wind is allowed, it's best if the wind speed and direction are consistent during the runs. Also, strong winds are inherently more variable in their effect and will increase the variability of results.

Crr needs to be input. I assume a value of .004 (85F baseline) for the "good" tires (like Vittoria Corsas and Conti Supersonics) with latex tubes on nice pavement, and scale from there based on roller tests. Crummy pavement can increase Crr substantially. Also note that Crr is effected by temperature, and hot pavement can boost your tire temperature well above ambient. A ballpark guess for the temperature effect is ~0.8%/F... but don't worry if you are unable to measure it. So long as it isn't varying a lot during your runs, at least your numbers will be consistent. If you are trying to determine CdA on two different days when the tire temperature is likely to be very different, then you should consider it.

The Crr number also includes bearing friction, but if your bike is well maintained and adjusted, this should only be a few watts... around 10% or less of the total rolling resistance.

Environmental conditions can be found at a nearby airport, or other good weather station if no airport is near.

Regarding wind speed, at bike level the wind is usually < 50% of airport data and could be much less if the road is sheltered.

I assume an 8 watt drivetrain loss if you have a crank PM. This should be a good approximation for power >100W or so.

Pay attention to and keep track of the wind speed and wind direction (qualitatively at least). For each out-back you will input a guess for wind speed and direction. Even if you feel it was calm, don't input zero for the wind... start with at least 1 mph. It is also best to start with the wind guess not directly in line with your riding direction.

The calculation assumes that the wind was constant for each out-back, and adjusts wind speed (with angle fixed at your input), and then wind angle (with wind speed fixed at your input), so that the equations of motion are satisfied in both directions. If the calculated CdA for the out and back segments match, then you know it converged.

Unless you got lucky though, the CdAs for the two cases where wind speed and angle were adjusted will *not* be the same on your first try. You then have the choice of changing your guess for wind speed, wind angle, or both.

There is more than one "correct" solution for wind speed and direction and this will effect your calculated CdA a small amount, so make sure that both are realistic. For instance, say you end up with a 4 mph wind that is 45 deg from your direction of travel. An 8 mph wind that is closer to perpendicular would also solve the equations and result in a slightly different CdA number.

When all 4 calculated CdAs match and the wind speed and direction numbers look realistic, then you are done with that run.

Averaging more runs will reduce the random errors (the wind mostly)... I'd suggest at least 4 out-backs if you want a good number. Accuracy? Don't know yet. Even if all your inputs are perfect, the wind will still be variable, so it depends.

Yaw will effect your CdA so don't expect to get the same value if yaw changes significantly.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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This is really good. You can use macros to invoke the goal-seek function instead of doing iterations.


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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [Jamaican] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks.

I'm a hack when it comes to Excel... I'll look into that.

Have you used it? I noticed you raced recently... you can use it on different sections of your race file and see how it comes out.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds cool...
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I have a similar worksheet that I've been using for myself that actually goes one step further I think. It takes as input your second by second power meter data INCLUDING latitude and longitude at every point on the course. It then infers your heading at every point from the lat/long data. You enter in a CdA and Crr and also wind heading and wind speed, and then it computes and graphs virtual elevation and GPS altitude. You can also use solver to find the best four values matching up VE to your GPS altitude (which I realize is not always great but it's the only way to automate it that I know of).

Around here virtually every time trial has lots of wind, and many courses are not simply out and back so I find it helpful to adjust for wind. Of course the worksheet requires a consistent wind to work well. If you're on a mountain course where winds tend to swirl and change direction from one point to another it doesn't work that well.

If people are interested I can clean it up a hair for public consumption and then post it here as well.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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lanierb wrote:
I have a similar worksheet that I've been using for myself that actually goes one step further I think. It takes as input your second by second power meter data INCLUDING latitude and longitude at every point on the course. It then infers your heading at every point from the lat/long data. You enter in a CdA and Crr and also wind heading and wind speed, and then it computes and graphs virtual elevation and GPS altitude.


I did a little thing a few years ago where I tried something sort of like that. I was looking for a "virtual wind" that would minimize the overall difference between VE and measured altitude given the constraint that wind was constant in direction and speed. In the end I decided that the constraint was a tad too constraining for "real world" courses so when AndyF suggesting building a sensor to measure windspeed and yaw on the bike rather than inferring it from positional data that seemed the way to go. But I think if you *can* make the assumption of constant speed and direction you can actually do not a bad job. In my original field tests I was using a triangular course so the direction of the wind was pretty predictable and I got results that were in the right ballpark.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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RChung wrote:
I did a little thing a few years ago where I tried something sort of like that. I was looking for a "virtual wind" that would minimize the overall difference between VE and measured altitude given the constraint that wind was constant in direction and speed. In the end I decided that the constraint was a tad too constraining for "real world" courses so when AndyF suggesting building a sensor to measure windspeed and yaw on the bike rather than inferring it from positional data that seemed the way to go. But I think if you *can* make the assumption of constant speed and direction you can actually do not a bad job. In my original field tests I was using a triangular course so the direction of the wind was pretty predictable and I got results that were in the right ballpark.
Yeah I've had quite a bit of experience with it over the last year and it works really well sometimes and then not well at other times. If you're on a flat open course with constant wind it makes it possible to do VE at times when you otherwise couldn't have gotten a reasonable number out of it. However, it often doesn't work very well for the course near my house, for example, which follows the foot of a row of mountains (foothills really) with the turnaround being near a pass where the wind blasts through the mountains and thus changes direction. Another problem I run into is CdA changing with yaw angle. The biggest issue is when I run a disc in races. At some points on the course the crosswind is just right to stall the disc and the worksheet has no real way of accounting for this. I would say it's rare that the wind would be so consistent that you could get the kind of accuracy that you and AndyF are looking for. But, it does make it possible to ball-park CdA after a windy race, and especially one that is not a straightforward out and back, which I find helpful.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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You know, one of the things I've kind of noticed (that is, it appears to be so with the limited sample size I've collected) is that either the estimated CdA seems to be in the right ballpark or it's complete BS. The BS estimates come when the wind is clearly gusty or the course has a mix of wind features. I suppose if I were more systematic I could get a sense of how gusty I can still get away with on the test venues I use though that requires a greater degree of desperation than I normally possess. Anyway, I was going to say that this is kind of encouraging: either you're in the right ballpark or else you're so far off you don't get fooled thinking you're in the right ballpark.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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I have a similar worksheet that I've been using for myself

That would be great... but IME the GPS altitude is way too variable to be used on the fly.

On the other hand, if you could map the elevation on a segment using *accurate* elevation data, that would give you something to synch to using VE.

Actually you could do coast-down measurements on a flat road in both directions.... wouldn't even need a PM then.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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But, it does make it possible to ball-park CdA after a windy race

Really not possible if the wind shifts. That's why it is important to take multiple samples (laps)... but if you were lucky and the wind was constant you can get a good number.

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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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I was looking for a "virtual wind" that would minimize the overall difference between VE and measured altitude given the constraint that wind was constant in direction and speed.

If you have "measured altitude" you should be able to remove the constraint of constant wind... ie VW is the variable you solve for. I thought about doing that a long time ago (right after you presented VE actually), but interest was never able to overcome my inherent laziness. There are some perplexing details if you want good accuracy... like keeping your data synched up with the mapped course profile (because you can't measure it accurately on the fly), and what factors to use for CdA vs yaw... plus you *do* need to figure out how to convert your VW values into both a wind direction and intensity to get yaw in the first place.

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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Do you have or know of a good resource that breaks out optimal to acceptable to poor CdA for a triathlon setup? The resources I have found show somewhere around .23 to be optimal but not sure what the ranges look like.
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songmak wrote:
Do you have or know of a good resource that breaks out optimal to acceptable to poor CdA for a triathlon setup? The resources I have found show somewhere around .23 to be optimal but not sure what the ranges look like.

Why would your resources say .23 is optimal?
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
I was looking for a "virtual wind" that would minimize the overall difference between VE and measured altitude given the constraint that wind was constant in direction and speed.

If you have "measured altitude" you should be able to remove the constraint of constant wind... ie VW is the variable you solve for. I thought about doing that a long time ago (right after you presented VE actually), but interest was never able to overcome my inherent laziness. There are some perplexing details if you want good accuracy... like keeping your data synched up with the mapped course profile (because you can't measure it accurately on the fly), and what factors to use for CdA vs yaw... plus you *do* need to figure out how to convert your VW values into both a wind direction and intensity to get yaw in the first place.

If you don't have constant (or constrained) wind then you have an underidentified system of equations.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I created an feature to Suunto Ambit, that also calculates CdA on the fly when riding. Idea was that you could try different positions/hand placing/head position in real time. No need to wait until you get home.
Haven't yet properly been able to test & adjust the calculation..
http://www.movescount.com/...app10000009-AeroDrag

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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [songmak] [ In reply to ]
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Your "optimal" CdA will vary depending on a lot of factors... like your height and weight, body shape, length of your races, the equipment you are using, and how well you can adapt to a low and narrow position without losing significant power.

Based on what I've seen on ST, a lot of average sized people are >.30 even with good equipment. I'll take WAG and say ~.28 is probably average... but only because most don't really work on their position. <.20 has been achieved by a few... and I'd guess <.25 is possible for just about anyone with a little work, without needing to buy the fanciest stuff.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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Just adding a link to my worksheet as well in case anyone is interested:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqgry09fmw6wb30/VE_with_Wind_Dunlap_2012.xlsx


Note: this is from a race where I had a crappy position and also massively overheated so I don't want to hear about my crappy performance that day! The key detail is that the wind was blowing hard and it was a clockwise square lollipop course with the finish line being not quite all the way around the lollipop, so it would be really challenging to get a good CdA estimate due to the amount of wind, shape of the course, and an overall net headwind. Correcting for wind does a pretty good job though (where "pretty good" means there's still some noise). Just try setting wind speed to zero and see what happens.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [JanneK] [ In reply to ]
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Nice idea, but you are going to get wild fluctuations in power to overcome grade and wind effects, that will swamp any positional changes you are making.

iBike has been selling a device for years that measures grade with an accelerometer, and wind speed as well, and they still have trouble with CdA on the fly.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Glad I stumbled upon this. Thanks for sharing, I will be in search of a 1mi. stretch this evening, I have a few in mind.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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That's pretty cool... thanks for posting that.

Your GPS altitude looks a heck of a lot cleaner than what I see. Are you sure that is GPS and not an altimeter?

Also... do you have a Strava file up of that race?
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [djinc] [ In reply to ]
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Just a reminder... you need to do all your accelerating before you get to the test segment... and IME that takes ~1/4 mile even if I sprint fairly hard to get going.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
... a lot of average sized people are >.30 even with good equipment. I'll take WAG and say ~.28 is probably average... but only because most don't really work on their position. <.20 has been achieved by a few... and I'd guess <.25 is possible for just about anyone with a little work, without needing to buy the fanciest stuff.

That agrees with what I've seen. In wind the wind tunnel and aero field testing sessions I've participated in across about a dozen riders ranging from approximately 5'7" to 6'2" tall and between 65 and 80 kgs in weight CdA has varied from an ultra slippery 0.21 up to 0.27 but there's a lot of sample bias here as each of these riders had an interest in improving their aerodynamics or they wouldn't have participated in these sessions. So 0.28 as a rough swag of ST positions, especially with a lot of folks targeting longer events seems about right and no doubt some of the upright positions we see posted here aren't quite that good.

In terms of the folks (mostly TT riders targeting shorter events) I've worked directly with in the field who started with decent shop fits 0.25 or thereabouts seems to be a pretty typical starting point but they were all able to improve on that at least a bit with some work. IOW, I also agree that getting below 0.25 is a reasonable goal for most folks at least for shorter events but may be more challenging for folks that can't ride most of their event with their head deeply turtled or with an aggressively low front end that can challenge comfort and up the road vision.

In terms of optimal, I think about 0.1 is pretty optimal assuming I could still sustain typical power too bad my bike without me aboard likely comes in above that ;)

Realistically optimal is going to depend on all the things others have mentioned but if you can get much below 0.25 and do that while staying reasonably comfortable and are still able to sustain solid power for the duration of your events then you're doing pretty well. If you can do all that and get below .22 or so then you're in the super slippery class and if you're up around .30 or higher in your current position then you probably want to work on that position to try to eliminate any limiters that are keeping you from getting more aerodynamic.

-Dave
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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Ah, very nice. I've never done the Dunlap TT course -- is it uniformly exposed to the wind? I presume it's as flat as everything else in that area.
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RChung wrote:
Ah, very nice. I've never done the Dunlap TT course -- is it uniformly exposed to the wind? I presume it's as flat as everything else in that area.
It's basically flat, pretty far inland and surrounded by open farm fields, so it seems like the wind is pretty consistent (consistently brutal that is). I did it again this year and same thing basically.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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No idea. I am the first to admit that my education on CdA is below elementary but is something I am trying to learn more about. My specific quote was based on a CyclingPowerLab article that listed various sources for different scenarios. For a TT setup with aero race equipment, they seemed to range from .23 to .26. I viewed this as 'optimal' or top of the line.

My question was mainly to better understand what I do with the data once I test. I would like to better understand what I can extrapolate from the returns, whether a certain return should indicate that setup is good or in need of improvement, etc.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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You ever do the Putah Creek Smackdown?
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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If you don't have constant (or constrained) wind then you have an underidentified system of equations.

You can calculate a virtual headwind at each point that satisfies the equations. Everything else is known.

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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [songmak] [ In reply to ]
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songmak wrote:
No idea. I am the first to admit that my education on CdA is below elementary but is something I am trying to learn more about. My specific quote was based on a CyclingPowerLab article that listed various sources for different scenarios. For a TT setup with aero race equipment, they seemed to range from .23 to .26. I viewed this as 'optimal' or top of the line.
There's a (surprising?) amount of variation, mostly because people don't have (or think they don't have) a simple way to measure their drag. I'd say some normal-sized riders who really work on their position and equipment are below .23 but I'd agree most long course triathletes are above that.

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My question was mainly to better understand what I do with the data once I test. I would like to better understand what I can extrapolate from the returns, whether a certain return should indicate that setup is good or in need of improvement, etc.


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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
Your GPS altitude looks a heck of a lot cleaner than what I see. Are you sure that is GPS and not an altimeter?
It turns out you're right. I didn't know this but the Garmin 500 has a barometric altimeter. I guess that's why my altitude data is usually pretty good (if a few seconds behind).

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Also... do you have a Strava file up of that race?
http://app.strava.com/...s/10044594#177541699
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rruff wrote:
Just a reminder... you need to do all your accelerating before you get to the test segment... and IME that takes ~1/4 mile even if I sprint fairly hard to get going.

Actually, that (completely constant speed) is not necessarily a requirement...as long as you know your "entry" and "exit" speed for the segment you can account for the work done accelerating/deccelerating.

For example, Jim Martin's spreadsheet has entries for entry and exit speed as shown here: http://sportsci.org/2006/jcm.htm

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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RChung wrote:
You ever do the Putah Creek Smackdown?
It's on my list but it's mid-week at 6pm, is only 10mi, and would be about a 1:30 drive from my house (or work) if it wasn't rush hour. Every time I think I'm going to do it (like yesterday actually), I realize how far that is to go in rush hour for a <25 minute race and I stay home. Hopefully one of these weeks I'll get motivated and show up though. I wish it was close by because then I would do it every time.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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lanierb wrote:
rruff wrote:
Your GPS altitude looks a heck of a lot cleaner than what I see. Are you sure that is GPS and not an altimeter?

It turns out you're right. I didn't know this but the Garmin 500 has a barometric altimeter. I guess that's why my altitude data is usually pretty good (if a few seconds behind).

rruff wrote:
Also... do you have a Strava file up of that race?
http://app.strava.com/...s/10044594#177541699[/quote[/url]]

The 500s altitude resolution is actually significantly coarser than what come out of a 705...but, the downside is that whatever algorithm Garmin uses on the 705 is VERY "drifty" :-/

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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lanierb wrote:
RChung wrote:
You ever do the Putah Creek Smackdown?

It's on my list but it's mid-week at 6pm, is only 10mi, and would be about a 1:30 drive from my house (or work) if it wasn't rush hour. Every time I think I'm going to do it (like yesterday actually), I realize how far that is to go in rush hour for a <25 minute race and I stay home. Hopefully one of these weeks I'll get motivated and show up though. I wish it was close by because then I would do it every time.

Stop by Berkeley some time and I'll buy you a beer.
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RChung wrote:
Stop by Berkeley some time and I'll buy you a beer.
I might have to take you up on that!
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [lanierb] [ In reply to ]
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Using your Strava file, I get roughly the same wind speed and direction, and when you have the cross wind I get a CdA of .269, and for the head/tailwind legs I get .272.

That compares to the .269 you got for the whole thing... pretty close, I think.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
Using your Strava file, I get roughly the same wind speed and direction, and when you have the cross wind I get a CdA of .269, and for the head/tailwind legs I get .272.

That compares to the .269 you got for the whole thing... pretty close, I think.
Cool! I think having the four different sides helps nail down the wind pretty well (better than, say, an out and back). Also, I totally believe the difference in CdA you get. I get that result consistently, and I think it's due mainly to the disc.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Jim Martin's spreadsheet has entries for entry and exit speed as shown here: http://sportsci.org/2006/jcm.htm

Looks like he's done basically the same thing... in 2006... how did I miss that?

EDIT: This part is a little different: "
3. Column C: Wind velocity in meters per second must be entered for each trial. To enter the proper value you will need to know the wind velocity and direction as well as the direction of the road. From those data, you must determine the component of the wind that is parallel with the road."

Looks like he is measuring the wind and then calculating the in-line component. Does that seem right? Not all in-line components are the same. Think 90 degree crosswinds vs a calm day.

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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
Jim Martin's spreadsheet has entries for entry and exit speed as shown here: http://sportsci.org/2006/jcm.htm

Looks like he's done basically the same thing... in 2006... how did I miss that?

EDIT: This part is a little different: "
3. Column C: Wind velocity in meters per second must be entered for each trial. To enter the proper value you will need to know the wind velocity and direction as well as the direction of the road. From those data, you must determine the component of the wind that is parallel with the road."

Looks like he is measuring the wind and then calculating the in-line component. Does that seem right? Not all in-line components are the same. Think 90 degree crosswinds vs a calm day.

No...something about that doesn't seem right.

If you're going to go that route, you first need to determine the total apparent wind (ambient wind plus bike speed) and then calculate the in-line component followed by subtracting out the bike speed. That's the only way I can figure out how to get the "eqivalent" head wind to put into that spreadsheet.

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Yep... momentum is a good thing to include... especially if the segments are short:

Updated 2013.06.29 with entrance and exit speed inputs to account for momentum.
http://www.whitemountainwheels.com/CdA_Calc_2013_06_29.xls
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
Jim Martin's spreadsheet has entries for entry and exit speed as shown here: http://sportsci.org/2006/jcm.htm

Looks like he's done basically the same thing... in 2006... how did I miss that?




:-) I'm laughing right now. I thought I'd invented the wheel a couple of years ago for track cycling, but after talking to Jim I realised that he had solved the lean model problem years before I had even thought I had a problem. Jim's a pioneer. We're the settlers.



AndyF
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [AndyF] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not surprised at all that someone did it... but I'm surprised that I either didn't know about it or forgot. Jim's method requires measuring the wind, so maybe that is why it hasn't been talked about so much.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Just a bump in case someone wanted to use this and has the old version... note it's been updated to account for momentum changes in the segment.

Also, if you do use it, report on your findings!
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to try this tomorrow and want to make sure I understand and do properly. If you don't mind, when I get my data I will touch base again. It may be intersting as I am going to test with my old aerobars tomorrow (Zipp Vuka) and my new ones are getting put on next week (USE).


So, I need my weight, bike weight, Temp, Wind speed & direction, and Avg Power & Speed over 1 mile course. Do this course as an out and back and allow time to get up to speed. Do 2 out and backs to get 4 readings? Are the other numbers defaults? Any other data I need?

Thanks ruff.
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Re: Calculate you CdA... wind is ok. [Tony5] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for giving it a try.

All cells with a white background are inputs that will be specific to you and your test.

Weight and bike weight... those need to add up to your *total* weight with clothes and anything attached to your bike.

Temperature, dew point, barometric pressure. Get those from an airport weather station. Also make a note of the wind direction and speed registered there, but note that the wind speed will probably be less than half as much at bike level.

Create your segments on Strava. These will be coincident... same stretch of road just opposite directions. No traffic, fairly flat, steady grade, straight road, around 1mi long. Use the satellite view to really zoom in and make your start and end points coincide with some landmarks.

One out-back is a single run. Try to maintain consistent speed and power throughout the segment... which means be fully up to speed before you enter the segment. I think you'll want at least 4 runs and average the results to get decent accuracy. Make a note of the wind direction and intensity while you are doing this... especially if it is changing.

Note that is 4 runs for *one* CdA data point. If you want to compare two setups you'll have to do that many for each, and if the difference between the two is small I don't think you'd ever pick it out over the noise. For instance, if your position didn't change with the aerobar swap, I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference. Subtle changes in body position or the variability of the wind will be bigger factors.

The segments will automatically be shown in Strava with avg power and speed. Also input the starting and ending speed for the segment.

Let me know if you have any more questions and how it goes.
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