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Is this saddle mod legal? Pics now. VIDEO UPDATE.
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I'll start by saying I don't care what your opinion is on my modification, its quite likely the weirdest thing you've ever heard, I just want to know if its legal.

I would consider myself like TJ Tollakson, in that I'm constantly adjusting modifying and fabricating equipment to suit my desires. I like to ride steep, which necessitates I also ride on the front part of the saddle (an adamo in my case). Now, as many people would say, sitting steep and getting low in front, while putting out decent power gives you a strong sensation that you're going to fling yourself right over the aerobars, you use a lot of core and upper body muscle to counteract what is essentially an unbalanced position. To combat most of this, I have a fairly aggressive upward tilt to my saddle, which puts a lot more weight on the saddle and takes it off my arms, I imagine many people do this. Recently, I have felt that if I in fact had something to "post up" against, on the front of the saddle which prevented me from sliding off the front, I would be much more relaxed and comfortable.

To this end, I used a 1/4 inch steel bar which basically make a U shape and a right angle shape to allow it to attach to the front of the seat rails, and extend around to where it forms a couple "posts" (I padded them, about 1.5 inches tall) where the adamo seat ends in the front, its as if you had a longer adamo saddle and bent the ends up at a right angle (except a little wider). I rode on it and like how it works, it'll take more adjustments to get right though. Now, it definitely looks odd, and I can see a ref zeroing in on it before a race, so is this mod legal? I didn't see anything mentioned in the rules to this end, but they do make a statement saying weird things may or may not be legal. It confers no aerodynamic or power advantage. We have racks that attach from the seat rails back to hold bottles etc., so why not this?
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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If I am understanding your modification, I would more concerned with getting my nuts ripped off in a crash or sudden stop.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [Rambler] [ In reply to ]
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Nah, it's nicely padded, not a hint of a steel bar under there, it wider than what you're probably thinking, they bend outward at like a 45 or 60 degree angle, nothing that physically holds me in the seat, just a little barrier that takes away that sensation of sliding off the front when you're hammering away.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [Rambler] [ In reply to ]
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Rambler wrote:
If I am understanding your modification, I would more concerned with getting my nuts ripped off in a crash or sudden stop.

I agree... Even with the description it still sounds like a receipt for disaster when it comes to the junk.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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Would this new nose of the saddle be too far in front of the BB to be legal? Pics! :)
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [wardestroyer] [ In reply to ]
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I have the exact same saddle and issue. I'm thinking of trying the prologue since it's got longer front arms.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [wardestroyer] [ In reply to ]
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The saddle with this only extends that 1/4 inch in front of the original nose, as it stands now, its 3cm in front, but I may move it more. I've been going through a lot of saddles lately trying to find that perfect one, the adamo is good, and I was thinking about the prologue, but I realized the biggest issue for me is sliding forward, you see the tour guys doing that 'forward then back' thing the whole TT race. With an even long saddle, I still pull myself along it even with the upward tilt, I realized I just need something to hold me back, this seems to be working surprisingly well for a piece of metal I hose tied to my bike. I may post pics but the thing looks like it belongs on that redneck 'fixed it' site, a complete concept prototype.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like its legal for non draft tri in the US.

But got a pic?

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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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how can you do this AND ride the adamo correctly? that is a subtle hint
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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I'm thinking its legal, because it doesn't aid performance in any direct way, it just looks a little weird, but selle smp saddles look pretty funky for their designed purpose, I'll post pics in a bit.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know how anyone can ride an adamo off the nose like its intended and not feel completely unstable. For me, the adamo road allows me to sit at close to 0 degree angle on the saddle and not be crushed so to speak, I sit back far on it like a regular saddle, it simply works best this way for me, I guess I have super wide sit bones, but I use it like this knowing that wasn't how it was designed. The nose doesn't come out far but its "in front" of my pelvis so to speak. Mind you, this whole thing isn't a problem cruising around, its when I start to ride hard, I constantly feel myself being thrust forward, and if I don't try to stop it, I'll just slide right off the front of the saddle in a few pedal strokes.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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HXB wrote:
you use a lot of core and upper body muscle to counteract what is essentially an unbalanced position.

Since when do cyclists/ triathletes have any upper body muscle?






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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, here are some pics, remember this is just a quick prototype.






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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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That's some impressive work. It's ghetto, but it's kinda cool. The steel, is it solid steel rod? That can't be light.

To the best of my knowledge, there's no rule per-se that says that your seat mod would be illegal in US non draft triathlons if your seat-over-BB relationship is legal. That said, there's kind of an exception for 'highly unusual' bike modifications where a marshall can make a determination on the spot at a race to determine if something is legal, at least for that event.

Do you have a pic how it looks mounted on your bike?

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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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My bikes kind of in pieces, I've been messing with other things too. Here it is with the rear section shown, thats basically how it would be set up. Like I said, I'm not sure on everything yet, I just put it together today, long term testing is needed, so it may change, or I may find something I don't like about it. Also, yes that solid steel rod, not really heavy but its not light, a good manageable material to bend a bunch of times.


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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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I'm having a hard time picturing how you are "perched" on that. (seriously). Very interesting design. Got any way of showing your position on the bike?

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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [othegrch] [ In reply to ]
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Well its what I said in a previous post, I actually sit "in" the adamo saddle, even though its designed to "perch" off the end of it. I sit on the frontish part of it basically with a 0 angle relative to the saddle itself, I'm not off the end of it like a lot of people who use the saddle are.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [othegrch] [ In reply to ]
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My wife saw the pics of the saddle and mentioned there would be interest from the gentler sex if you rotated the new prongs to a forward/ aft postion and hooked a vibrator to it..
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, there's no rule per-se that says that your seat mod would be illegal in US non draft triathlons if your seat-over-BB relationship is legal. That said, there's kind of an exception for 'highly unusual' bike modifications where a marshall can make a determination on the spot at a race to determine if something is legal, at least for that event.

As an active Marshall, I would call that saddle illegal if I saw it at a race.

Do yourself a favor and try to get this pre-approved by your federation, before you turn up at a race......I'm not a 'technical" guy but I'm seriously doubting you are going to get a pass due to the upturns, which I would consider will assist you with leverage against your pedals......this is nothing to do with the seat/bb relationship, but all to do with the upturns

USAT rule 5:12 deals with unusual bike construction or equipment which do not conform to rule 5:11, and although there is nothing specific about saddle type in 5:11, there is the catch all proviso in 5:12 which is titled Untraditional or unusual bike equipment, which has only one possible penalty DQ.

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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [TriTrev] [ In reply to ]
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Its odd for sure, but there is a lot of oddball equipment these days created to make cycling more effective and efficient. I like it simply because it makes me feel more stable and comfortable in the aero position, I don't see that it creates any kind of immediate advantage, otherwise they would be a common thing. With the crazy stuff the bike manufacturers come up with every year I don't think this could be termed an unfair advantage. At some angle though, it would have to be legal, because you can tilt your saddle up. How would I go about getting it approved?
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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Reminds me of this idea. Obree was gonna do it on a TT bike as well as Moser was going to.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [adambeston] [ In reply to ]
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Well there you're changing everything a bikes about. My addition doesn't change anything about how my bike is set up, my saddle is even tilted up, I'm not trying to lay down or anything.
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? Pics now. [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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I would say that it would NOT be legal.

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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting. I am having a tough time imagining where your thighs go without them rubbing the extensions
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Re: Is this saddle mod legal? [HXB] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, but he tried to do an extention like this from his top tube to prevent the feeling you are talking about. I remember there was a problem with breathing and this new design is fixing that. If UCI hadn't stepped in after aerobars and helmet and whatnot this is what we would all be doing.
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