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Juanmoretime

Jun 28, 12 2:13

Post #151 of 197 (2884 views)
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Let us know how the fixed cap goes. I'm interested in one for 40K tt's and won't need to fill on the fly but do want the liquids to stay inside except when needed.


Il Falco

Jun 28, 12 6:51

Post #152 of 197 (2806 views)
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I found this product pretty disappointing, especially given the price. Splashy, rattly, crappy zip-ties that cracked on first use etc.


sak35

Jun 28, 12 8:07

Post #153 of 197 (2775 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Il Falco] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

To stop the splashing, use the Jetstream "Foam" (http://www.tri-zone.com/...at=87&item=JSNXF). A buddy of mine tried it and told me about it. I tried it this morning - 0 splash - even if I tried to make it splash. It's great. I think Torhans should just go with this solution. Without it, I agree with everyone else, the splashing is really bad, I've been cleaning my bike off after every ride. One problem, the Jetstream Foam is $5.95 for a piece of foam. I'm guessing it would be easy to make my own. I just posted about ideas for doing this.

I happen to really like the Torhans guys, I think they are on to something and with all of our input they'll just make the product better. Again, quick/easy fix - FOAM/Sponge!


Quel

Jun 28, 12 8:10

Post #154 of 197 (2771 views)
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125mph wrote:
Well I got my torhans 20 and was very excited to try it out. I read about the splashing issues but I thought the new baffle was a good fix.. About 2 mins into the ride I knew it wasnt going to be good. I was getting splashed like crazy. My legs and whole bike was splashed in sports drink. I had to drink half of the 20oz before it would stop splashing me. Sucks...

I just spent 30 mins cleaning out the stains off my bike. I think I will try it one more time but with the cap without the slits. The fill on the go idea is nice but the splashing sucks.

I got the Aero20 a few weeks ago. Immediately took off the slitted top and put the fixed cap on. No splashing issues.


htimst

Jun 28, 12 8:13

Post #155 of 197 (2765 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Quel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I loved the idea of the Torhans, but the slit cap splashed on every bump. I put the solid cap on and when I went over a railroad crossing it popped right off, blew into the ditch and was never found again. Our roads are just too bumpy for this system I guess. I went back to an aerobar mounted bottle.


sak35

Jun 28, 12 8:15

Post #156 of 197 (2763 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [htimst] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

htimst wrote:
I loved the idea of the Torhans, but the slit cap splashed on every bump. I put the solid cap on and when I went over a railroad crossing it popped right off, blew into the ditch and was never found again. Our roads are just too bumpy for this system I guess. I went back to an aerobar mounted bottle.

Try the sponge solution, I'm telling you, it solves the issue, i was literally bouncing my front wheel up and down and it would not splash with a full bottle. Give it a try!


TheBeek

Jun 28, 12 8:21

Post #157 of 197 (2755 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [sak35] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I have to just say that as this product evolves this will continue to be a group worth supporting. Its a work in progress apparently, but the staff at TorHans are incredibly helpful. They've sent me replacement parts free of charge, discounted new parts, and always been incredibly friendly.

the business model is great, even if the product is still coming along.


sak35

Jun 28, 12 8:23

Post #158 of 197 (2751 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [TheBeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

TheBeek wrote:
I have to just say that as this product evolves this will continue to be a group worth supporting. Its a work in progress apparently, but the staff at TorHans are incredibly helpful. They've sent me replacement parts free of charge, discounted new parts, and always been incredibly friendly.

the business model is great, even if the product is still coming along.

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125mph

Jun 28, 12 8:58

Post #159 of 197 (2717 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [TheBeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

TheBeek wrote:
I have to just say that as this product evolves this will continue to be a group worth supporting. Its a work in progress apparently, but the staff at TorHans are incredibly helpful. They've sent me replacement parts free of charge, discounted new parts, and always been incredibly friendly.

the business model is great, even if the product is still coming along.

Well, I like the idea and the staff seems nice. But the honest review is the splashing sucks. I will give the product another try if they come out with a better solution to the splashing.

I will try to foam that was suggested too.


jrielley

Jun 28, 12 9:29

Post #160 of 197 (2698 views)
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Maybe I have been really lucky but I ride on some rough roads and I have not had a serious issue with the splashing or rattling. Is everyone using the velcro strap around the mount to secure the bottle? And I have been riding the split top with the split barrier with one flap cut out to allow for quicker water flow. This worked for me during training and IM Texas. For 70.3, or 67.1 or whatever, New Orleans I used the solid cap and just took it off each aid station to refill and it was not a huge issue.
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b.will

Jun 28, 12 12:50

Post #161 of 197 (2647 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [jrielley] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Any word on when the VR bottle is going to be for sale?


Il Falco

Jun 28, 12 13:32

Post #162 of 197 (2624 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [sak35] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It's one I happily supported as well. However, any water bottle (just a water bottle) that needs workarounds that require other purchases of silicone for straws and sponges for splashing e
etc. should not yet be for sale, or should come with a money-back guarantee.

I wish them well in future development , but it is a disappointing product.


MOPinCO

Jun 28, 12 13:47

Post #163 of 197 (2604 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Il Falco] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I don't have any rattling issues but the amount of splashing is downright ridiculous even on smooth roads with the slit caps and almost forced me to chuck the TorHans. However, like was mentioned previously the sponge from Jetstream works PERFECTLY! No splashing even on the worst roads and it's easy to refill during a race without stoping.


Jayhox

Jun 28, 12 14:00

Post #164 of 197 (2596 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [MOPinCO] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Where do you put the Jetstream sponge on an Aero 20? Does it sit in the pocket created above the inner baffle and just under the cap?
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Ted Striker

Jun 28, 12 17:37

Post #165 of 197 (2528 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Jayhox] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

We're taking and hearing your feedback guys. We ride with our products too and yes, we do thoroughly test everything. We know we have the Aero right and just like any company we will not stop enhancing our products to give you both the fastest and most functional bicycle hydration systems. New splash barriers are here now and have been going out with all bottles this last week. The Aero 20 is very splash resistant and the 30 is good unless filled all the way up with the new barriers. Refill bottle pierces both the top cover and barrier. Barrier is thicker and die cut. Again these barriers precede the hard snap 100% spill/splash proof fill on the go cover now in the tooling stage. Please make sure your Aero 30s are as vertical as possible and always use the included foam pads for the mount. New Aero 30s that will be here on Sept. 1st have secured and updated aero masts, but still fail off if you need it to (for our attorney, who lurks ST also) ;) We're also adding some bling to the new Aero 30s as we will have the current white and metallic grey, and a slight graphics change.

Another bottle that will be launched later this year will be our third front mounted system that will incorporate the hard snap cover. Can't talk about the design it but it will be on a few of our athletes bikes for Kona.

Hans
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grole

Jun 29, 12 1:26

Post #166 of 197 (2456 views)
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From http://www.torhans.com/aerodynamics.html
Quote:
The TorHans team tested the following systems and bottles
from the companies listed below:
  • TorHans: Aero 30™, Aero 20™ (prototype), and the Aero 20™ with the new Aero Tray™ holding a Garmin 500 computer.

  • Profile Design: Aerodrink, Aqualite, and Aqua Cell.

  • Xlab: Xlab Torpedo (bottle between the Aero extensions) and the rear carbon wing (with rider).

  • Invicid Design: Speedfil frame-mounted system (this bottle is asymmetrical so we tested a full yaw sweep of +15o to -15o). Unfortunately, we were not able to test the new front-mounted Speedfil system since it is not yet available, but we hope to on our next visit to A2 this summer.

  • Finally, we tested good old round standard 22oz. bottles on the seat tube and down tube.



Where are the rear carbon wing? Is the Torpedo tested with the rear wing in place and all the other without?
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grole

Jun 29, 12 1:31

Post #167 of 197 (2452 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [grole] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Forget it.....

Quote:
For one of our final tests, local pro Ken Bush was kind enough to donate his time and make a handful of runs for us. Here we ran Ken at 0 degrees yaw to get a quick baseline. We then tested him first with the Aero 30 and secondly with the Xlab carbon rear wing. Both tests were conducted at yaw angles of 0 and -10 degrees. In our opinion, this data is inconclusive due to the small yaw sampling, but we are planning on doing some more rider testing during our next A2 visit. Having said that, the data we did obtain showed the Aero 30 was invisible with Ken on the bike at 0 degree yaw, while the Xlab carbon rear wing increased Ken�s drag by 35 grams. At -10 degrees yaw, the two systems were much closer, with the Aero 30 producing 2 grams less drag.

Ken needs a new bikefit.... or more bartape....


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(This post was edited by grole on Jun 29, 12 6:19)


dexterbase

Jun 29, 12 1:44

Post #168 of 197 (2446 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Ted Striker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I am using the Speedfil A2 and I'm not impressed with it at all. It has problems not limited to leaking.

I was strongly considering switching to the Torhans but it seems like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. I dont want to just exchange one set of problems for another .

I guess the wait continues for a system that is 1.) Easy to refill, 2.) Doesnt coat my frame and legs with sports drink, and 3.) Isn't a huge aero penalty.

I'm starting to believe it's just not feasible to combine easy refilling with leak-resistance.

Aero, Easy to refill, leak-resistant.... <----- Pick any two.


Ted Striker

Jun 29, 12 4:41

Post #169 of 197 (2386 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [grole] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Don't bag on Ken. He lived near A2 and was kind enough to donate his time. That is not his bike, that is an XL Blue Triad SL that we used as our platform for all tests. We did not want to switch up bikes for the additional tests.

Hans

grole wrote:
Forget it.....

Quote:
For one of our final tests, local pro Ken Bush was kind enough to donate his time and make a handful of runs for us. Here we ran Ken at 0 degrees yaw to get a quick baseline. We then tested him first with the Aero 30 and secondly with the Xlab carbon rear wing. Both tests were conducted at yaw angles of 0 and -10 degrees. In our opinion, this data is inconclusive due to the small yaw sampling, but we are planning on doing some more rider testing during our next A2 visit. Having said that, the data we did obtain showed the Aero 30 was invisible with Ken on the bike at 0 degree yaw, while the Xlab carbon rear wing increased Ken’s drag by 35 grams. At -10 degrees yaw, the two systems were much closer, with the Aero 30 producing 2 grams less drag.

Ken needs a new bikefit.... or more bartape....

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redhusky

Jul 1, 12 7:38

Post #170 of 197 (2258 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Ted Striker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks for supplying all the testing data. The one issue that I am still trying to understand from the data is the drag from the straw. Other reports I have read indicate that the straw will add as much as 50 grams. That has always seem quite a lot to me and at looking at your results it indicates that the straw could not come close to that when many of the tested bottles that have straws didn't produce 50 grams total. Am I missing something in my observation? Thanks again for sharing.


(This post was edited by redhusky on Jul 1, 12 7:50)


dennis

Jul 1, 12 17:47

Post #171 of 197 (2184 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Jayhox] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Yes just cut a small piece and put it between the caps


Raabs

Jul 1, 12 18:30

Post #172 of 197 (2154 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [redhusky] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I've been using the Aeor 30 for about 2 months now, 5 days a week. With the solid cap, the splashing is minimal to none. Haven't tried the new splash guard with the perforated cap - have it, but have been using the solid cap so far. I think the product is great.


CamDukio

Jul 3, 12 9:55

Post #173 of 197 (2029 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Raabs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I agree that this is a great product. I have the new splash guard and the straw mast and it doesn't move and I have minimal to no splashing. Fills fast and is very aero. Love how the straw is right where i need it. Highly recommended.


Ted Striker

Jul 3, 12 11:31

Post #174 of 197 (1968 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [redhusky] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

redhusky wrote:
Thanks for supplying all the testing data. The one issue that I am still trying to understand from the data is the drag from the straw. Other reports I have read indicate that the straw will add as much as 50 grams. That has always seem quite a lot to me and at looking at your results it indicates that the straw could not come close to that when many of the tested bottles that have straws didn't produce 50 grams total. Am I missing something in my observation? Thanks again for sharing.

Hi Redhusky,

You are correct. And I know the study you are referring to. No, the Aero mast does save power, it saves just over 1 watt. 50 grams, no way. Not in any of our testing or third party testing that has included our products. We have seen over 50 of course with entire systems, but I can guarantee, at the benefit of our competitors, that no straw, above the base bar, will produce 50 grams of drag. We are happy with the over 1 gram of savings with the Aero mast. I really just don't know how they came up with 50 grams of drag. In our comparative testing we were very cognizant to make the testing as objective and fair as possible. All systems with a straw for example were set to 11.5cm of straw (I believe that was the number).

Hope that helps.

Hans
http://www.torhans.com


dennis

Jul 3, 12 14:16

Post #175 of 197 (1911 views)
Re: TorHans Aero Hydration [Ted Striker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

My aero mast looks cool, keeps straw in place, My bottle and computer mount is in the perfect place for me to drink and see my computer info. The clear bottle allows me to know how much fluid i have and the customer service is great.

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